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Using foam to level an above ground pool on a patio 

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I haven't seen anyone else do it like this, so I thought I'd share.

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@brentherrington8124
@brentherrington8124 Год назад
This is the exact solution I was looking for. Also, the level of nerding in this video is outstanding. Thanks for the upload!
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Thanks, man! In another week or two I will be putting it all back in place for a third year of service after storing the foam outdoors under my deck stairs since last Sept. Everything is still in good shape.
@sarahmmaboom
@sarahmmaboom 2 года назад
I love this idea. I wonder if I can do it without being good at measuring, cutting or math things.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 года назад
Probably don’t need any math, but will definitely need a tape measure and a hacksaw blade (pretty basic stuff). And the water level is also probably required but, again, fairly rudimentary.
@bishopp14
@bishopp14 Год назад
I love using the water level for things like this! I always add a little bit of food coloring to the water. It makes reading the measurements a lot easier. Great video!
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Slayer, food coloring - good idea. And thanks.
@essencewebster4180
@essencewebster4180 Год назад
Do you think cutting foam to bevel edge is required. I don't own a table saw. Also my pool is oval if that makes a difference.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Yes, I believe the bevel is pretty reasonable insurance against stressing the liner at the otherwise sharp(ish) edges of the steps. Also, by beveling the edges, the bottom of the liner doesn't have to stretch as far as steps would require. Think: "Shortest distance is a straight line". You will figure how to cut the foam. Its not difficult.
@brianbrady9761
@brianbrady9761 Месяц назад
Hell ya I was thinking this exact same solution. Your the man Not sure I’ll get all the math perfect but it will be better than nothing
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Месяц назад
Thanks and good luck!
@2scents434
@2scents434 3 месяца назад
Was looking for a low cost simple solution and you sir nailed it gonna get some foam panels and start getting things prepped. 2 years later and your video still helping people!!
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 3 месяца назад
Thanks man! Yep - I'm using the same foam boards now for the FOURTH season
@essencewebster4180
@essencewebster4180 Год назад
So you don't suggest placing any foam in the middle of pool or completely covering foam underneath the pool? Another video they placed foam underneath the entire pool. It seemed you focused mainly on the legs. So as long as the legs & outer perimeter is leveled that will level the water in the pool?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Q1: So you don't suggest placing any foam in the middle of pool or completely covering foam underneath the pool? A1: That’s not necessary for reasonably minor slopes like mine. There’s enough slack in the liner to conform to the gentle steps resulting from my approach. The benefit is a little bit of a deep-spot near your low-point. Yay. Q2: So as long as the legs & outer perimeter is leveled that will level the water in the pool? A2: The outer perimeter is the important part to get level, yes.
@essencewebster4180
@essencewebster4180 Год назад
​@@BILLYSHED Thank you. Your video is Awesome & especially Thank you for taking your time to answer additional questions. Much appreciated
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Yes, I strongly believe the bevel is important. And…oval. Interesting. Good luck. Post a video after you complete your install.
@ange112087
@ange112087 Год назад
This is great, thanks for sharing. When buying the foam imsulation boards how many do you suggest purchasing?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
You will have to calculate that depending on your pool diameter and how much slope you need to compensate for.
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline Год назад
Personally, I would do a CAD drawing, but you could sketch it out on paper.
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline Год назад
At first I was dubious, but your underwater footage sold me. Based on your experience, when installing an AGP on soil, I wonder if dishing out the central area, say 8-10" while leaving the perimeter level and flat would work, to make a center 'deep end', say for a 48" deep 18' pool? The liner appears to be flexible and 'stretchy' enough to compensate for the dish, and the perimeter being level would be the only concern since the legs would have a flat footing. The goal would be to let your 48" pool be actually 58" deep in the center...
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
I understand your intent. I think a 10” dish on an 18’ pool is reasonable. Go for it and shoot a video and let the rest of us see!
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh 4 месяца назад
Did you try it? How did it work out?
@user-ew5hs6wi7s
@user-ew5hs6wi7s Год назад
Hi, I have artifical grass on gradual slope 4 inches. I had my 14 ×42 intex pool up. The poles on cinder blocks. The the sides of pool were bulging quite a bit. I emptied the pool. I was thinking of stacking eps foam to level it or do blocks and then the foam. It is just me and my sister and a limited budget. We have two months of hot weather left. I really want to put the pool back up🎉thanks for your time
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh 4 месяца назад
What did you end up doing?
@kaynoble1020
@kaynoble1020 4 месяца назад
Same issue yesterday, it's almost like I wrote this!
@roberthernandez7564
@roberthernandez7564 Год назад
Key point to note - this is one of the smaller 12' x 30" pools. Plenty of weight to distribute but nothing compared to the larger 40"+ height pools that start at 15 feet. I wonder how a solution like this would hold up under an 18' x 52".
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Robert, I am confident that this solution would also be fine for deeper pools. It's the water *depth* (not the diameter) that imparts stress to the foam and downward force on the legs. A 52" water depth wouldn't even double the stress on the foam. You might benefit from padding-out the leg supports to distribute the extra downward force over a little more foam, but the extra pressure on the interior portion of the foam that just has liner pressing on it... would absolutely be fine with a 52" head of water pressure.
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh Год назад
​@@BILLYSHEDWhat about a much larger pool though, say 24x12x52?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
@@Superman-xr1oh I literally answered your question above. It's only the DEPTH of the water that puts any stress on the foam, not the diameter. The foam doesn't care if your pool is ten miles wide, just how deep it is.
@jackhandyy
@jackhandyy Год назад
Nice Safety sandals
@kelleykdavisify
@kelleykdavisify 3 месяца назад
Awesome video. I've used foam board on my 16 ft diameter 52 inch deep pool and it works great in my yard on the topsoil, makes for a nice soft bottom. *Twss*😂 I'm especially intrigued on hearing how your foam board only compressed 1 to 2 mm at the legs. I've had soil compression over the last 3 years, also erosion under the edge at the low point. I'm looking at releving it at the end of this summer and have at least a 1 ft perimeter beyond the pool's edge to eliminate invasive Bermuda grass around the legs. It looks like the inch thick foam could withstand the 52-inch water depth, especially if I pre-compacted the perimeter. I appreciate the engineering in your approach. The only question is did you see any appreciable deflection around your circumference due to your wedges? Thanks and God bless
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 3 месяца назад
Not sure what you mean by "appreciable deflection around [my] circumference due to [the wedges]" ? But I am about to edit and publish another video so maybe that will answer your question...
@danielpichardo2318
@danielpichardo2318 Год назад
So is there steps in the pool!??? Like from the foam?
@danielpichardo2318
@danielpichardo2318 Год назад
Never mind I see what you did
@katenoethen
@katenoethen 3 месяца назад
We only have a two inch slope over an eight foot distance. I'm wondering if it's worth leveling for our eight foot pool or just setting it up and seeing how it goes 😅
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 3 месяца назад
Personally, I'd fix it up front - but I concede that it's a judgment call. Let me know how it works out!
@mia__blue68
@mia__blue68 Год назад
Don’t worry guys. It’s not rocket science 😵‍💫
@ElohiSilverEarthVentures
@ElohiSilverEarthVentures 2 месяца назад
That is by far the best brilliant method I've seen to level an above ground pool, like the water level technique.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 месяца назад
You flatter me!
@fnziman
@fnziman 3 месяца назад
Do you feel that there is a tolerance level between the bottom of the built up feet and the floor itself that the liner can handle? If assume the liner is designed to be installed at the same level as the feet.. thanks
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 3 месяца назад
There is a reasonable amount of tolerance.
@CrystalCruz-fs2nn
@CrystalCruz-fs2nn 4 месяца назад
Where are you located? I need this made, but no tool to make it. Same exact pool too.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 4 месяца назад
You really only need some basic tools, like a sharp knife, a tape measure and a straight edge. Might take you a little longer to make the bevels but it’s not too bad. I’m sure you can figure it out
@BenvanBroekhuijsen
@BenvanBroekhuijsen Год назад
I am going to write numbers because writing down in inches is too complicated. If only there was a system that divides by 10. Like a centimeter or so.... oh wait.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
@BenvanBroekhuijsen Once again, proof that snarky /worthless comments always come from folks who have never contributed any videos of their own.
@BenvanBroekhuijsen
@BenvanBroekhuijsen Год назад
@@BILLYSHED Hmm I guess my comment was a bit snarkier then I wanted. I apologize for that. The video in general was very useful, I should have commented about that as well :D It was nothing personal, it was about the system that the US keeps using despite the fact that virtually every other country advanced.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
You have redeemed yourself. All good. For what it’s worth, I have been using metric units in my professional calculations for 30+ years. Just hard to buy tools here in USA that aren’t setup for imperial!!
@melodeepfeifer9675
@melodeepfeifer9675 Год назад
What kind of material is it? Foam Insulation boards??
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Yes
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Yes
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline Год назад
He used Extruded Polystryrene (XPS) boards (usually blue or pink or green) as opposed to the white foam which is expanded polystyrene foam (EPS)
@MommiiNLea
@MommiiNLea Год назад
You mentioned its 38 5/8 across on one side, 30 inches on the side of the first foam board. How about the last side?
@MommiiNLea
@MommiiNLea Год назад
At 5:11 in the video
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
@@MommiiNLea The angled sides were cut at a 15-degree angle, for a total wedge angle of 30 degrees. That’s because my circular pool has 12 poles and 12x30=360. If you have a different pool, you will have to figure out your own situation.
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh Год назад
How in the world does the foam withstand such a massive amount of weight from the water without seriously denting the foam? Makes no sense... Would using EPS foam instead of XPS work just aswell? The XPS foam feels more rigid than EPS, EPS feels more squishy to me.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
"Makes no sense" to you... sorry dude but it's not magic. I can only imagine what else blows your mind. I'll make another video soon to demystify the pressures and forces. You're not the first person to be skeptical.
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh 5 месяцев назад
​​​​@@BILLYSHEDStill waiting for that video.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 5 месяцев назад
Ok, it will be pool season soon and I’ll make the video then.
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh 4 месяца назад
​​@@BILLYSHEDAwesome! I look forward to it. I'll be checking back throughout pool season to find your video.
@danikd9802
@danikd9802 2 месяца назад
Where did you get the foam? Thanks
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 месяца назад
Home Depot or Lowe’s, I forget
@danikd9802
@danikd9802 2 месяца назад
@@BILLYSHED i dont really know anything about foam. Is there a specific rating on the hardest foam available at these stores?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 месяца назад
@@danikd9802 use the pink stuff. Dont overthink it.
@nikkiwho9326
@nikkiwho9326 4 месяца назад
Thanks for this video! Exactly what I'm going to do/try
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 4 месяца назад
Cool. For what it's worth, I am going on year four of re-using the foam and it has held up very well.
@ginogonzalez8314
@ginogonzalez8314 3 месяца назад
how about a video or ideas for a rectangle pool on the patio
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 3 месяца назад
The fundamental solution of using stacked foam is not particular to round pools. Rectangle is probably easier, tbh. I'm sure you can figure it out.
@nikkillaanderson
@nikkillaanderson Год назад
How well is the foam standing up under the legs? Thats my one big worry@ !
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
I’m 6 weeks into the third season and the foam is fine. I should post a video to document my current setup and answer some other questions
@nikkillaanderson
@nikkillaanderson Год назад
@@BILLYSHED you are very helpful thank you soo much!
@deborahsimmons2414
@deborahsimmons2414 Год назад
Hi there, I think this is ingeniously done, thank you for posting. We are planning putting our Intex pool up on an asphalted backyard area, the pool is 15 x 48 and has no poles in it, just a blow up rim at the top. We have a 5.75 “ slope. I don’t know if no poles would require any further consideration or extra concern in our instance using this method?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Sounds great, I think you will be fine with this method. Use a few layers of packing tape at the seams between pieces of foam. And, do your best to ensure the bottom of the pool is properly positioned before you start filling it. Post a video and notify me after you get it up!
@deborahsimmons2414
@deborahsimmons2414 Год назад
@@BILLYSHED Thank you sooo much. Makes perfect sense. Will post you the outcome. I am a little nervous about it but will be diligent.
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Don’t be too nervous- you will know soon enough if it needs better alignment and you can drain and refill. Go for it. Have fun and I’m looking forward to your video!
@sharonmccauley980
@sharonmccauley980 7 месяцев назад
This is exactly what I'm trying to do; I want to put the pool on the far end of my driveway. Same size pool 15'x48"; inflatable rim. I watched this video last year and did measurements and my slope is NINE inches. I didn't get the pool set up last year (it was late in the season anyway), but hoping to do so this year. Over the winter, I have accumulated a bunch of interlocking foam mats (for gym floors) and may use them. I used them to (mostly) level my soft-sided spa.... but that was before I found this video! Now I have a method to measure accurately and hopefully I'll get it done! Good luck @deborahsimmons, and Thank you @billyshed for the video! I'm going to study it and make a plan!
@JP-de6yz
@JP-de6yz 2 года назад
Excellent solution! I wonder if this would work on grass or dirt. Does the foam stay put and not try to slide away? Does the foam compress any, especially at the points where the leg stanchions are located?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 года назад
1) If I wanted to site on grass or dirt, I would have just spent a little time removing the grass with a flat spade shovel (you're going to kill it anyway) and leveling the dirt. Way easier and quicker and cheaper than my foam method. 2) Foam stays put. Plenty of friction. 3) Foam does compress slightly under the legs, but it's negligible- maybe 1-2 millimeters. I drained and stowed the pool and foam last year, then redeployed this year (2022) and everything went back together perfectly. I believe this foam solution will last at least 10 seasons.
@Superman-xr1oh
@Superman-xr1oh Год назад
​​@@BILLYSHEDWould it still work for a 24x12x52 pool? Does the foam need to be doubled like you did here, or would it work with just a 1 inch sheet?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
@@Superman-xr1oh I'm not sure what you mean by "doubled" because I actually stacked up to five layers at the lowest part of my patio. I did not do this for strength purposes, rather it was to achieve a level perimeter.
@DGsKattKatt
@DGsKattKatt Год назад
This is so me. Dare to be different yes!!!❤
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Thanks!
@jvylasek
@jvylasek 2 года назад
what type of foam did you end up using?
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 года назад
Owens Corning XPS (extruded polystyrene). Put the pool up again this year, the foam was basically good as new. Should last many years.
@tsoo6448
@tsoo6448 Год назад
Absolute Genius!
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
"Genius" I dunno... but I'll take it!
@janeteholmes
@janeteholmes 2 года назад
Brilliant! Thx!
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED 2 года назад
"Brilliant" is too generous, but thanks! The pool and the foam survived the season and broke-down well for storage until next Summer. The foam looks every bit as good as it did on day one, no appreciable deformation / compression.
@ThelittledirtyMcNasty1683
@ThelittledirtyMcNasty1683 2 года назад
You the man!
@BILLYSHED
@BILLYSHED Год назад
Thx. Have you put one up?
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