Ranking the candidates for the best cubers of all time... in each WCA event Watch my livestreams here!: / cubemastertwitch Sponsored by TheCubicle: www.thecubicle.com/ Use code "cm" for 5% off your order!
i'd say the algorithm should take into account how many rounds of competition the record was unbroken in, instead of how much time it was unbroken for - Minh Thai held the record for 20 years because there were no competitions that would let anyone beat it - not because it was a crazy unbeatable WR.
This is a great ranking, I enjoyed it! The only thing I didn't understand is how exactly you calculated these points. Also, you could have shown event titles on screen, that would make it easier to understand which event you're talking about - I missed a few and had to rewind.
Thanks! Will try to make graphics more clear next time. The points are just from the factors mentioned in the beginning and just a lot of balancing to make sure the lists were as accurate as possible, the exact calculations are kinda messy lol
I would 100% say Feliks everytime. He is a 2 time world champion, single handedly got records lowered such as 5x5, he is one of 2 people (I think) to win every WCA event in a single competition. Still haven't watched the rest of the video but I'm interested on what the results could be.
It’s not just his competition results that make him the greatest, it’s the fact that he has inspired so many. He was the face of the speedcubing community for a good decade. His displays of kindness and good sportsmanship is a good representation for the community. Another thing to add is he put out educational content and held seminars to help out the next generation of speedcubers.
This is a great video man! Also I think something that should be considered is how much a cuber shaved off of the previous record like how max cut the squan avg by so much
Thanks! Maybe could have done that, but also think duration will cover that (Max's average might not have too many points now, but will get a lot more over time since he cut the former WR by so much)
You do mention in the video that the system is slightly flawed but I still really enjoyed the video and some of your reasoning behind it! Would love to see this idea refined even more! Also as other people have said I love that you're making content like this that is a lot less common on cubing youtube
It's crazy to see Stefan Pochmann 3rd on the Clock list. For those who don't know, he invented the Old Pochmann method to doing 3BLD, and basically everyone who does 3BLD has learned his method at one point.
This was a great idea and well presented video! Of course your metric isn't perfect, and it's hard to make improvements although I do have a few suggestions for any future rankings - Number of solves/competitions per person, obviously in the early 2000s there were very few competitions, so competitors had to make every solve count, although to be fair since there were so few solves the records also weren't pushed the farthest - Continental records, although as you mentioned this would also be like world championships, were records from Africa/South America would be much less competitive - Amount of times that a competitior appears in the top 10/100 results, although this would be skewed towards the very recent results, you mentioned that they would be worth more anyway. Otherwise top 10/100 results of the past could also count - Amount of time that a person remains in the top 10/100 rankings
Loved the vid! Still would like to see who would be the best Championship cuber, because I think those achievements are pretty underapprechiated in cubing :(
@@kingeddiam2543 He would have had far more wins taken off him if he'd been competing in Europe. He's obviously still the GOAT, but that particular stat rewards him unfairly (and punishes people in competitive regions)
dou-ble-u-r is 4 syllables (plus time for comprehending the acronym) world re-cord is 3 syllables Written acronyms don't always make faster spoken text. Gun shot wound is faster than GSW.
Coming up on a year for this video, time for an update. and compare it to the current list, showing any changes. Maybe you could add an "All-round" category, too.
Mad recency bias lol. Kaijun was setting BLD WRs for 4 years, and even today (8 years after his first 3BLD records) he holds AsR mean. Tommy's crazy fast, but he has a long way to go to match Kaijun's achievements
For me , Feliks is the goat, when i started cubing, he dominated every event and now it feels bad to see that he is not a WR holder of any event. I still remember his legendary 5.66
a similar video can be made on best youcubers for a particular event or even a method(i know jperm would be the felix of this thing but still we do have so many other awesome youcubers)
True, but in my opinoin, in todays world (not including the past) 2x2 goes to Zayn, 3x3 goes to Tymon, and big cubes go to Max Also, while I agree that Feliks is the GOAT, Max is definitely better and deserves the title of goat of big cubes. Otherwise nice vid, earned a sub
Juan Pablo Huanqui, me de felicidad que un compatriota sea considerado el mas grande en megaminx. Aunque creo que su epoca dorada ya pasó.. buen video por cierto
i assume "greatest" as in a cuber that is the best _during their times and during the longest times_ instead of looking for present day bests considering this analogy, minh thai deserves the position and if not then only track WR standing time as how many solves on that category has been done
I reckon one other metric that would have been useful would be average margin of victory in their championships. The main issue I see with the scoring used here is that it compares over time and not relative to the competition of the time. This is the same issue that comes up with claiming Jordan is the GOAT in basketball for example, so it is really hard to work around, but it is worth noting at least as it is an issue with this kind of thing. Overall though I reckon the lists would be pretty consistent even if you added this particular metric in (or something similar) so well done.
I feel like a flaw in this ranking system is that, if someone was 2nd place for 9 years, they would still be worse than someone who had a wr for just 2 months.
I got a 6.35 single on squan. My first sub 9 and 3rd sub 10. It was an 11 move solution so a very shitty 1.6x SPS. If i turned normally i would have gotten a sub 5.
There's a couple of points in here that show a lack of historical understanding of cubing history. For example, not remembering that BLD didn't always used to have an "average".
Maskow almost doubled multi WR, and held it for 6 years. Graham has improved WR by ~20% and held it for 3 years, most of which were during Covid. Graham's obviously incredible, but he doesn't touch Maskow's level of dominance
The problem is that the whole idea of 'goat' is flawed its practically impossible to compare different timezones bc its not a linear path of progression its exponential and has dips and curves and even just the greatest is already subjective
I just can't really agree that Feliks is the GOAT when Max and Tymon have 82% of the top 100 3x3 averages of all time and he has 2 (52nd & 99th). It's one thing if speedcubing was a head to head type of game, but it's not. It's more like track and field where the measurement of skill is an objective number. Calling Feliks the GOAT is like saying somebody waaay slower than Usain Bolt is the greatest sprinter because they dominated at a time when everybody was slower. It makes Feliks' accomplishments less impressive that his peers were awful, not more.
Minh Thai 2nd? Yes, he did hold the Wr for 21 years, but let's look at how many official solves happened between 1982 and 2003. Zero. I'd say it isn't too hard to hold a WR if noone can phisically contest it.
My luckiest sqaure-1 scramble: (4,3)/ (0,-3)/ (-4,-4)/ (-2,-5)/ (0,-3)/ (-3,0)/ (0,-1)/ (6,-3)/ (0,-4)/ (4,0)/ (-3,0)/ My solution: (-1,0)/(0,-3)/(-5,4)/(-1,6)/(3,-3)/(0,3)/(-3,0)/(3,0)/(-3,0)/(4,0)/(0,-3)/(-1,0)/(3,0)/(1,0)/(0,3)/(-1,0)/(-3,0)/(-3,0) I average above ten and this was my first sub-10 single.(8.53)
2x2 zayn 3x3 feliks 4x4-7x7 max OH fahmi 😍 3x3 blind I’m not sure 4/5 blind Stanley Multi graham Fmc sebastian Clock yun Mega Juan Pablo Pyra drew Skewb no clue Squan Brandon
correction, Sam. it’s 17 events. not 16. I have no clue where you got 16 from also, at 14:57; hey! that’s me! and I now realize I forgot Feliks for 5x5… I’m a big dumb idiot
your lists are biased because your algorithm was created by your opinions and while it most likely was not intentional there are certainly some biases in the algorithm.
