Didn't know this was a thing as im european, but I wish Amazon had this. Sometimes Shop for a product that has like 20 different specs on a single site (it's really bad with monitors for example) and usually impossible to Filter the fitting reviews
@@maxzett Amazon does have this but it's a bit dumb to get to go to the reviews, click to filter by a star rating, then change the "all formats" to "show only reviews for..." then change 5 star only back to all, unfortunately it doesn't show you a rating of just that item though but you can still see how many reviews have how many stars
I'm glad someone else pointed that out so I didn't have to. Though, it's annoying when you hit that filter and realize there are no reviews for the item you want. I realize they're trying to clean up their site, but lumped together listings can be a pain.
I'm a review shopper. I don't blindly trust brands, but I do trust a good number of reviews where people list pros and cons of a product. I also don't always go with the highest ratings because I look at what people are saying in the lower rated reviews. I hate when people either leave low rating reviews because they didn't properly read the product page and are mad about a feature being "wrong," even though it's all spelled out, or when they leave low rating reviews due to seller or shipping problems. Neither your inability to read, or sometimes even just look at pictures, or anything that's not the fault of the product should be on the product review. That's why I always skim through reviews with lower ratings to see what the problems are and if they're really product faults.
@@SciFiDude79 I can't agree more about the "shipper messed up, product is 1 star" nonsense. The only thing that makes me grind my teeth more is the idiot answers in the Q&A section. "I didn't buy one, don't know" is fucking infuriating.
@@RipleySawzen I'm going to have to disagree with you. Product reviews are for the product. It's been my experience that in places that have multiple sellers (most major store websites) that, when people put that information in the product review, they don't even say which seller it was. If you say "they sent me the wrong item" but you don't say who sent you the wrong item, that helps nobody. On those marketplace type websites, the sellers will have their own pages where you can review the seller. That's where that information goes. Looking at my most recent NewEgg order, I got a bunch of components directly from NewEgg and some thermal paste from a 3rd party seller. On my order history, there's a link next to the thermal paste where I can rate the seller. The link takes me to a page where I can not only rate but also review the seller. Since that seller did a good job, they'll get a good rating. Had they not done a good job, this is where I should put that information, not on the page for the thermal paste. That way, when people look up that seller, my positive rating might help them decide to use that seller. Shipping problems, if they're on the part of the shipping company, should still be handled elsewhere. IE: if your problem is with FedEx, there are sites where you can rate and review them. Usually, those are third party rating sites. They can be effective, but they do require some searching by the individual. However, when it comes to shipping, most places only offer one or two choices, so people usually decide based on experience. But, shipping problems still have nothing to do with the product.
Man did only like 70 people get that and want to come comment haha. I thought it would be more. I can't wait to see if Linus trys the thermal paste and goes back and forth to its rancid, nope it's fine, nope that's definitely rancid?
@@feedmatrix10 It IS arbitrary in the sense that the video defines "herd mentality" as what everyone *believes.* And this post is defining "herd mentality" as what everyone *does.* Best reviewed = what everyone believes Most purchased = what everyone does
@@windowsuser321 Why? They're the most popular as they don't take up much space in the case so you can also have a smaller one + 99% of people don't need more than 1 PCIe slot
@@despairdx If you're going to buy a full atx case you should really make use of that extra space by having a board that has more expansion slots and features. A microatx board has less fan headers, less features.
Here's your next video in this series: When buying parts for the herd machine, filter by minimum reviews, then divide the price by the star rating. Then build a machine based on price per star, making the most cost- effective herd machine.
As someone with a 3080 12gb , a 5800x3d, and 32gb ram, I'm set for at least the next 6-7 years. Especially considering all the artificial price gouging going on in the PC market. You still can't even find a 4090 at msrp. Let alone a 4060.
Service is part of what you are paying for when buying a product. A shipping error that the seller fixes might be unwarranted on a product page but difficulty with getting a problem on the product fixed through support deserves to be included in a review.
90% of all bad star/eggs is because customer installs something wrong or product was defective out of the box and they didnt rma for not defective one or its simply not compatible with other devices and they get mad about it ☠️🗣️
you can't say anything good about the product if you ordered the OTHER product. Imagine your setup is almost complete - all you're missing is your GPU, RAM or whatever and they bring you something else or lower tier item...that' would be frustrating
"Let's get all of this into the case" followed promptly by "nice" was NOT a reference i was expecting today, my kudos to the writer who evidentially knows our main man steve
6:52 wait a moment... if yous didn't choose the Ryzen 7 7800X3D (despite wanting to) because the listing was shared between 3x different product SKUs, then why did yous choose the Seasonic Power Supply when its listing is shared with 6x different product SKUs?
@@dm1i I bet it was actually because it was just the highest listing like they did for a previous part too. Maybe a lot of the power supplies are combined pages
That I think is commonly called a "Steam PC" or whatever the most popular parts on Steam are. Didn't LTR do one of those earlier this year, or was that for 2023?
Their conclusion on the 5800x3d build says it all, it's not currently worth building a new gaming PC when a 3 year old one would be equal if not faster depending on your GPU choice.
I have an old MSI tomahawk motherboard that's about five years old but since AMD released the 5800x3D I put that into it plus a 4070 and unless something breaks I doubt I'll be upgrading until the 6070 pops up in god knows how many years.
I built 2 systems during the 5000 series release window. started with the 5600x and now i use a 5900x. I also got a 6900xt. In total i really enjoyed gaming on the 5600x and the 5900x. with the 6900xt it didn't make a difference which cpu i was using. it was fantastic. That said, I am looking to upgrade again, but it might be a while as it looks like i'll be buying it piece by piece instead of all together.
I am with team SeaSonic, ever since I tried my first SeaSonic rebranded PSU which was the XFX BEFX 850W I was absolutely blown away at how tight the voltages were even under load. That was back around 2014 so for the past 10 years as a system builder I only recommend SeaSonic high quality parts or rebrands of those high quality units. For those that do not know, many brands available do not make their own PSU's, they have an OEM make them (Great Wall, HEC, DELTA, Super Flower, FSP, ToPower, Enermax, SeaSonic are OEM's). Those OEM's make the components for the PSU and then the company makes an artistic design and slaps their logo on it, examples of this are EVGA, Thermaltake, Antec, NZXT, and Corsair just to name a few. SeaSonic makes their own PSU's in house, and their top tier models are EXCEPTIONAL. Their "low end" PSU's are not all that great, safe, but not worth the money. Anything "mid-range" to high end from SeaSonic is just an instant buy.
That "let's get all of this into the case" transition is somehow the best transition I've ever seen and I'm not kidding. It just lads perfectly on every level.
I HATE when people receive a defective product and post a bad review... I know it seems like the right thing to do but unless it doesn't wont and you couldn't get a replacement you should just be like... 'Oh well, it's frustrating but it's just bad luck I'll return it and get a new one sent and all will be fine"
thats one of the bigger problems with reviews, there should almost be 2 separate reviews because i don't want to see a 1 star because FedEx damaged your 4090, that has nothing to do with the product or if they sent you a 80+ gold instead of platinum. These are supposed to be PRODUCT reviews not supplier/shipper reviews. maybe have a separate score for that.
@@codefeenix By reviewing the supplies / shipper instead of the product. Some companies have separate reviews for the products and for their own service.
Because the prices you see are without tax. (They pay tax, it's just not put into the product price) Add let's say 15% to every price you see and you'll mostly get european prices. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
When linus does a thing for fun but yet it becomes useful tips for others. Still it's become a dream build for me which I can't afford in my whole lifetime.
As much as the 4060 and 4060 ti are no good values, they are still good CPUs and can run any game at high settings at 1080p and some at 1440p. I'm at 1080p so that's what I went with. I also got my card as a returned item/open box at Best Buy and that took a bit out of the sting. I'm not against AMD GPU's though. I do some work with mine though too, so I'm just more comfortable with NVidia for that reason.
@@joshstucki4349 Yeah the 4060 and 4060 Ti aren't bad GPUs, they're actually pretty good, just that the price-to-performance value is bad, as you said. Get a 4060 if you REALLY want the DLSS and other Nvidia features maybe for streamers, but for anything else get an AMD GPU that is better performance for around the same price
@@xWatexx For me its worth even more lol, my PC is around 800 USD afaik (I don't live in the US so it is an approximate guess of the price, I also can't remember the exact price lol I think I forgot it on purpose)
I gave my QLED monitor which I haven't opened up, 2x2GB DDR3 from a PC I'm holding for salvage, and my 3.5 inch WD Black 1TB HDD to Jacob. I have no need for a 3.5 inch drive, Cooler Master just release their third iteration of the GM34 monitor which I may end up getting but I'm gonna wait, plus-I needed some space. I made progress by getting rid of... Something. Now I just need to setup some way to finally test a few things with my A12 9800 build.
2:01 I have that exact same issue with the same part. For context on what he’s saying the bios will pop up after a couple minutes of the pc being on but not booting and it will say “failed to boot 5 times” and then it says its attempting boots some other way and then it boots like any other pc would.
As a consumer for PC stuff, whether it's parts or a pre-built/laptop, you really need to do your homework. Watch and read the reviews, compare different products, and wait for items to come on sale - even if it means it takes a little longer to get your build done. There's so much out there that you have to make yourself an informed consumer to get a decent, budget friendly result
When I buy PC parts and build a PC I go for power efficiency above all else. Many people dont understand the long term cost difference between a PC that use 500watts when gaming vs a PC that uses 1200watts when gaming.
What PC uses 1200W when gaming? the recommended PSU for a 4090 is 1000W, and those recommendations are usually with margin. Also, how much are you gaming? Maybe if you game 8 hours per day, but I'm lucky if I get in a few hours on the weekends. Even if I lived in a place with high electricity costs, I would rather have higher framerate and enjoy the time I do have for gaming rather than worry about a few 10s of euros per year delta between, say, a more realistic 800W PC vs a 500W one.
love watching episodes like this and seeing like half my new computer on display. same mobo cpu and storage, though i chose the first one based on the physical arangement of the PCIe slots enabling the cards i need to all fit in without using risers, not reviews.
1000w will likely never have to be upgraded, and the ssd is just the primary ssd. I myself have two other ssds, I try not to use the primary ssd for anything other than the OS
@@jocerv43 I've got my whole PC on a 4TB 990 Pro, works well and easy for setting up folders for Vortex etc. I'd never buy an SSD under 1TB nowadays, it's a waste of an M.2 slot. Also, you're unlikely to ever need a 1000W PSU unless you've built an i9-14900K + 4090 PC, which 99% of people never will. You could keep it for your next build though. Head room for an absolute monster in the future. But for the here and now, a bigger SSD is a vastly better use of your money.
@@ruukinen The whole reason why you want a dedicated os drive is so you don't have to worry too much about losing stuff if you end up having to wipe your os install. It's much easier to do a fresh install of windows when everything else is on a different drive. That's why I tell people to get a 500 gigs for windows and a much higher capacity drive(s) for everything else. I personally just do a standard sata ssd for os since windows is never going to utilize the speed of a nvme drive whereas some of my games will benefit.
@@Shadowninja1200 It makes much more sense to have everything you don't want wiped on a slower other drive than to have your OS on your slow drive. Unless your internet is garbage, I don't see why you would want to save your games from getting wiped and if you do, you could just transfer them temporarily to the other drive when wiping the install. I also don't really see the need to wipe an OS install often enough for that to be a worry at all.
I've only seen the first few minutes, but I was out of the loop of PC building since 2012, I built a new PC last year. To say I was confused was an understatement! The fact of how motherboard layouts had changed, or that towers no longer prove spaces for CD Drives, floppies or some don't even provide 3.5 drive bays anymore (Thinking SFF cases). Then you have AIO coolers that are so popular, to the ram timings, speeds and XMP profiles you need to be aware of to the the fact some GPUs are so huge they might not fit or need 2-3 extra power cables. Oh and Nvme drives are a thing now too? Honestly it took me weeks of research to get my head around everything! Oh and CPU coolers and fans can be massive (if you don't use an AIO) - oh and how fans are now variable speed and can be controlled by temps, that was also a new discovery, I remember my old 00s PC, the fans spun at high speed regardless. So yeah, so much has changed! Anyway, I still used my old mentality of just because it's the most popular item doesn't always mean it's the best. I ended up with a 7800X3D and a AMD 6950XT as they offered the best performance for the budget I had and I didn't want to splash extra for ray tracing as it's not really a desirable feature for me.
13700k is the best just set a static voltage no more than 1.35 with cores locked. cant overclock much safely but its fast af at stock speed mines pushed to 5.5p 4.4e at 1.25 cuz its a good bin super stable
I’m still shocked by how many supposedly ‘in-the-know’ gamers choose Intel. Anyone who has kept up with the space should know that Ryzen 5000 basically made the Intel high-end redundant [and a bad value] UNLESS you needed something specific, like Intel QuickSync. If you don’t know what that is, you likely don’t need it.
The unintended (?) wordplay when Linus, pretending to be a cowboy, topples over the (IKEA) plastic plant "Fejka". Fejka being a Swedish loanword coming from "fake" or more accurately "faking it". Can't decide if it's more impressive if it was intentional or not.
After all that, the wisest suggestion seems to be save your money and go with a 5800X3D, fast DDR4, and spend the savings on a faster GPU. Actually now I kinda wish that test rig had been built and included in the comparison. AM4 was such a brilliant platform
uhhh my man i don't know if you know this but higher res favors better gpus... and well even if it wasn't the amd X3D chips still give better performance... so it doesn't really matter but you can get a bit more for the same money (upgrade path)
@@Ratsacker0269 I reduce to 3200x1800 like console for demanding games with RT, 7800x3D is too expensive for my need. Depend what game, resolution and what constant fps you want to take a 7800x3D. That was i said I prefer put low money on the cpu and maximise the price on GPU. You save a lot of money and u lost only 5 to 10% performance.
I had 12700K since day 1 and what a great CPU it is. Not too power hungry, not too hot, not too expensive. I'd say it's one of Intel's GOAT'ed CPUs of current times (obviously nothing will ever match 2500K). Now I'm looking forward to October because I predict that Ultra7 265K will be another great CPU.
The herd is shockingly close to my build from last November(upgrade from 2015). I got a 7800X3D and different fans/case but boy did I follow the consumer guides to a tee it turns out!
@@DerekSmit yep. I'm a developer too who likes to run multiple programs at a time for productivity and I had to upgrade from 32gb to 64gb. 32gb just wasn't enough.
I just bought and assembled an Intel 12700K system as well. I needed something to replace my aging i7-6950X X99 10-Core 64GB system since Windows 10 is going away. I got the 12700K 12-Core, ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-A, 192GB DDR5, ASUS RTX-3080, WD Black SN850X 1TB, 850W PSU, Lian Li Lancool III RGB, I already had the GPU. This is my software development, Adobe, MS Office, VM system. I don't game on it. I have a Xeon W7-2495X 512GB RTX-3090 for my big system.
I built very similar to this build a year ago using basically the same criteria - November 2023: 13700K Asus Z790-Plus 64GB G.Skill DDR5 6400M/T Samsung 990 Pro 2TB MSI 4070Ti Seasonic Focus Gold 850W Fractal North I spent a hair over $2,000, splurging a bit on the drive compared to the builds here. I also got 64GB of RAM because ooga booga big number. It's been a mostly great PC, it's very fast and handles every game I play at 1440p with absolute ease. It also crashes more than I'd like.
Complaining about 6000mhz CL36 when that is literally whats recommended for AMD 7000 series? Additionally the 13th and 14th will have trouble running above JEDEC properly.
@@profosist well you’re talking about after degradation. Out of the box performance is different. It depends if intel can be trusted that new CPUs running the new micro code will be able to run 7200mhz for the rated lifetime of the CPU. Either way out of the box I haven’t come across a 13th or 14th gen cpu that can’t run 7200mhz. Also it’s not the memory controller that’s degrading on the CPUs. Most reports indicate the ring bus is what’s dying due to the high voltages.
@@whatyareckon5985 really doesn't matter what's killing them if you have to drop down to one stick of memory at that low of a speed to keep it working. Even then it's not consistent. Personally I'd either go 12th gym if you really need intel since we know that's Rock Solid all right hold on for the new stuff it would be different if I already owned a 13th or 14th gen chip but I for sure wouldn't actually choose to build a system with one.
@@profosist no it doesn’t really matter but ram speed on a degraded CPU is the least of your concerns if you want to go that route. I’ve had a CPU from every Ryzen generation since they came out so i wouldn’t go any intel CPU. I commented because your assertion that intel 13th and 14th gen CPU can’t run above jedec speed is technically incorrect.
The meshify case was a great choice for a newbie builder. The case design naturally leads to good cable management and there's not too many places to go wrong.
I knew my 1000watt seasonic power supply was completely overkill when I got it but I wanted long term stability... I got it. I'm still using it 4 years on and it's rock solid, not to mention made my transition to a 4070 Ti and way more power-hungry CPU seamless and the modular cables have come in handy multiple times. Best unnecessary extra 50% cost on a part I ever spent.
Something worth mentioning about 12700k is it goes on sale a lot. I picked it up a couple months ago for $200 Also kinda weird to make the effort to choose in stock so viewers can buy but still choose a cooler unavailable in US.
Forget the deepcool cooler. That thermalright peerless assassin is regularly on sale for under $35. IMO it's "sort of" the new "hyper 212" if you get my drift. Easily worth the $30-40 asking price with several colors and fan options. In order to keep up with modern 8-12 core CPUs, you might consider a dual tower cooler like this. There are also cheaper single tower coolers from thermalright if you have a more modest 6 core machine, but $35 you might as well get a cooler you can grow into. I also struggle to find better mounting hardware at this price point.
I would recommend just to be patient and buy parts with the best price available not just that day, but maybe during that month or few months... Just my example what is possible to build with very similar price (2 100 USD): Fractal Design Torrent White TG Clear Tint Intel Core i9-13900KS 2 x Kingston FURY Renegade 48GB DDR5 6400 CL32 = 96 GB DDR5 RAM Cooler Master MWE Gold 1250 - V2 ATX 3.0 - 1250 W Be quiet! Dark Rock Elite GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC V2 12G GIGABYTE Z790 Aorus Master Kingston NV2 2TB With 4090 GPU, it would be 3 100 USD. It took me approx 1 month of daily price checking until I finished my setup.
I think Monitors should be included when "building" a pc. Most of my friends who are looking for help buying a new pc, need a monitor too in their budget. I think spending more on a great monitor, and cheaper on the GPU is a strategy I think is best, but maybe you guys could find out for yourselves!
Lately, the quality of the content has increased so much, as in, as soon I start thinking of things related to building a PC or have a doubt about anything related to PC parts, there is a new LTT video out explaining just that. FAB job team!
