V Bombers - Vulcan, Victor & Valiant - The Last British Bombers 

Always reminded me of Thunderbird 2 as a kid for some reason.

@Scott Ragland I don't think there is any debates, the Vulcan is the better plane. What I like about the Victor is it's uniqueness. Aerodynamics dictate that to be efficient there is a narrow band you have to design within and it leads to a lot of very samey designs. The Victor clearly wasn't "samey" to anything, which is why I like it. It looks like something from a comic or what I might have drawn when I was a kid. And I deliberately said "attractive" because i feel drawn to it, but I wouldn't call it "beautiful" 😉

Really rather ugly, and only dropped a bomb or two in the Falklands during all those many years.

@@frankducett5107 They were still using it in the 1980's? Yikes, outdated, but expensive bomber that offers little advantage over conventional bombers, why

@@frankducett5107 I think the Vulcan was a good looking aircraft. The Victor was pretty homely, like an old man in worn baggy clothes and a beer belly.

Weasle you lot still use the B52 that’s even older lmfao

@@tst3vens B52 isn't a supersonic strategic bomber... And sure buddy, ignore how it's been updated in every aspect to the body, avionics, and to the engines. Anyhow, the physical design of the B52 has no issue for it's role, as a large cargo aircraft or heavy bomber, and doesn't require complete replacements. In fact it's one of the best in class (typical for British designs to be decades newer and still worse...) Unlike supersonic strategic bombers like the B1 Lancer, or the outdated Vulkan...

jerrywh3 the hunter's blue note is almost as good, but it just lacks that ummph

Totally agree. Saw one a few years ago in Blackpool. Incredible sound and incredibly loud. Also surprised at how slow they can fly for the size of them.

Orlando Ford yeah the Hunter is similar to our F 104 sound.

not all of them made that vulcan howl, but my god, in person, what a sound!!!!!!

jerrywh3 And I was just wondering what Americans thought of this video, tech within it etc.

You either saw XL-390 (1978) XL-443 (1980) or XM-575 (1981) are the Vulcans that came to Chicago. I saw XL-390 crash into Techny landfill north of Glenview NAS -- and got a inside, outside tour of XM-575. Also got to tour the Nimrod that accompanied the Vulcan that year.

100% agree

They used to do low altitude barrel rolls at UK air shows :o

Spitfire mk Vc

@@BlatentlyFakeName One day, 1989*i think, we were driving up out ofAtlock, Derbyshire, 🇬🇧, when something caught our eye, looking back there was a Vulcan, swooping low over the valley below our line of sight.

nephilimcrt Yep, I really prefer them to the Vulcans.

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I remember, probably in 1986, seeing my first and only Victor bomber. It was at Wright Field in Dayton. I thought that it was a prop from a Buck Rodgers film, at first. Now it is one of my favorite aircraft.

I think both the Vulcan and Victor are pretty damn sexy aircraft. I hope they manage to keep some in an airworthy state just so their legacy can be shown and impress people in the future on various airshows

First time I ever saw a Victor as a kid, 40+ years ago, I thought...that is my plane! To see it in the flesh and flying was nirvana. I had this notion that I’d buy one and use it as a kind of airmobile house....gotta love daydreams!

I caught one of the last flights at RAF Leuchers. To me it resembled a Tie Fighter.

​@@JDMNINJA851 I suspect diplomatic relations, especially regarding foreign aid in form of foodstuffs and material for the war effort, played a large part, along with desire for the US to end neutrality and join militarily. Great Britain shared many technologies, though in context it was even handed in my opinion. The US built so many enigma machines at Britain's request for just one or two to help out deciphering that one existed for all but two possible variations. We all had nuclear programs, though the US allowed the British to reverse engineer their finished and tested atomic bomb. Britain shared technology that is key to RADAR, allowed the US to view progress on their jet during the British sponsored race to break the speed barrier, this led to the US adopting the free floating tail, which made the feat possible. Today, US and Britain share from the same ICBM stockpile, at random so one nation doesn't feel they are getting something different. Many, almost countless examples and unknown quantities of back door dealings and discussions. All said, I fail to see how the NAZI's were better than the US in regard to WW2 era technology sharing. Britain had more technology to share at the onset, US had the surplus, resources and mass production capability. Seems like a good arrangement to me and it was an arrangement that was almost certainly the defining factor in the Allied victory. NAZI's were mainly technology sharing with the USSR, as they couldn't openly show military buildup to Britain as they respected the Versailles Treaty. Granted, technology sharing existed between the two countries, but it was more back and forth patent wars. Still today we have conversations on if Germany or Britain invented this and that, but there wasn't an exchange at any level that would equal wartime and post-war technological sharing and partnership among the two allied nations.

Player Review m8 look at the german designs from during the war and at the end and shortly after that never made it... Look who brought the americans to the moon. It cannot be overstated what impact operation paperclip and simply german technology had on american, british and soviet tech after the war... The entire concept of these long range bombers + the designs were basically all taken from german designs. Take the nurflügler for example. And the basic tech of the german jet engines and rockets... Which were far ahead than anything any of the allies had.

Early jet engine research was more one way, towards American.

@Arthur Humphreys Is that the reason the the US still uses RR engines ? Sorry about that Wilbur lol.

@@georgebarnes8163 Sharing of technology back and forth continues…………. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸🇬🇧

Voodoo really scared me as a kid. I was glad to drive back to Delta after the show.

What was the crowds reaction?

The Blissful Zombie, please explain to me then, in your flat plate-like world, with all its perfect uprightness, how it is possible to begin a trip going due east from a certain starting point, and, always going in a straight line, never turning even a fraction of a degree from a due east heading, arrive some time later at the exact point from which you left? I have made such a trip, and I know it works exactly as I described above. Please explain to me what other shape than a sphere, that all of our science tells us our planet is, would allow such a journey to be possible? In your flat, upright world, there needs to be an edge, beyond which there is nothing more, and in all the thousands of years of exploration, and all the millions of flights made daily which circumnavigate the earth, that edge has never been discovered. Sorry, but your proof and millions of testimonies are false - but you know that don’t you. You may choose to believe whatever you like, it doesn’t make it right, it just makes you deluded.

no that's almost certainly the SR-71 Blackbird, the Victor I think looks more elegant and majestic

oh you here?^^ RU-vid istn that big as is seems sometimes :-) "Sry i was "bussy and cant make new videos". And what are you doing? Just waisting your time watching RU-vid Vids as we do XD :-) RU-vidrs arnt alowed to have "real life" anymore. They have to make content for there addicted flowers 24/7^^

TAOFLEDERMAUS y'know you came off as a guy that cares too much about guns, I never thought you'd be interested in history, am pleasantly surprised by that

I"m interested in aerodynamics, like my projectile tests show.

Wish we still had them flying.

We empirical don't give a shit

I sat in the pilot's seat of that Vulcan in the 1980's whilst working at the Nissan plants handling track.

Was the buzzard OK?

@@CPS2 Nuthin' left but Buzzard gizzard...

Us brits are always polite and professional ☺️

@@CPS2 Nothing but fried chicken

Mr.Clem no plans to retire it until past 2040 as well lol

At this point we are just going to put quantum engines on it and keep it as a planet-to-planet bomber in the year 2340.

And why not? When you are fighting enemies whews entire air force consists of few Amazon drones and their AA defense is shooting RPGs at the sky you don't need anything more modern. It can take a lot things that go boom very far, drop them and go back for more. Russians too are using a lot of their cold war era bombers against ISIS in Syria and they are getting the job done just fine...

Mr.Clem as well as the tu95 bear.

The B52 is just a better/cheaper dump truck...

They run em like they want us to buy the bombers.

You can. You just can’t afford to buy the fuel!

They are only changing the engines as part of a no smoking campaign in the USAF 😉

They don't make the old engines any more nor parts, new engines will be efficient high bypass engines used on RJ airliners, original plan was to refit with 4 RR engines from the Boeing 757, but cost too much to change all the controls from 8 to 4 engines, the new engines will extend the range and be smoke free no more water injection

Like deciding to commit economic suicide?

…And then giving up on it.

@@DaytonaRoadster oh no, we're putting them through our schools, showing them American TV, and getting them nutritious food. Oh no!

Definitely have a knack of pulling diamonds out of your arseholes, no doubt about that!!

Unfortunately, nobody will ever get to see it again. Mind you, there's plenty of jaw-dropping footage here on RU-vid.

Agreed... Third best looking aircraft ever after a draw between the Mosquito and the P51D Mustang IMHO.

Me too.

Noel Down yup sure is-give us the howl man.Nobody did it better

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mWgbCjm1TQM.html Try that, and one impressive 'Wheelie' to finish.

I've seen it. I was just commenting on CD's video that it felt incomplete without the howl.

Plus no mention of the Victor being able to go just supersonic in a shallow dive

Νοsawa. I always thought they looked like something out of Gerry Andersons Thunderbirds TV show

The Vulcan wasn't capable of supersonic flight and wasn't equipped with afterburners but she does have an amazing sound! I lived along the path that the Vulcan would take back to Finningley after airshows. Nothing beats the howl of the Vulcan on a summer afternoon.

Fair enough, Ben! It was over 40 years ago I remember something at the air show breaking windows downtown! I guess since the Vulcan had such a strong impression on me I assumed it was the plane I associated with it. But you're right about the sound itself; the particular sound the Vulcan makes tears the air like nothing else!

The Vulcan couldn't break the sound barrier but the Victor could in a shallow dive. The Vulcan made the most amazing noise when they opened the throttles a howl from hell and its initial climb was bloody fantastic there is some footage on U Tube of a B52 taking off then a Vulcan the Buff is a great plane but the Vulcan just pulls its nose up screams and goes

We'll never know.

It is. Guy's lucky to see it up close. I miss XH558 so much. Even now...

The picture of Bob Lindley at 2:40 is with an Avro Arrow model.

or the Egyptian Helwan

The super arrow looks hot

The Vulcan B MK.1. The first gen of the Vulcan bombers before the B MK.2 Variant came along.

Switch on the underwater landing lights

It is shameful what has become of our armed forces. But it costs money to project power.

Notthedroids Yourelookingfor AfD...☺

We've got a fascist-wannabe in power in the U.S... but I am becoming slightly more hopeful each day, after each press release of the latest buffoonery among the far-right, in our blathering dictator's silver lining being to rile up the population and fan the flames of political activism and renew public participation in our blighted democracy.

Let's try to keep the discussion focused on UK power projection and defense programs and V-bombers and leave the current politics bullshit for some other video, please.

Honestly, Britain should focus on bread and butter training and kits for their basic infantry Instead of aircraft projects and billion dollar fleet carriers because soldiers are going to be the ones fighting and holding ground. I've serviced alongside British Marines (first in the USMC, then in private security) and their equipment is in bad shape and in need of replacement. Instead the MoD is cutting funding and Marine numbers to fund the F-35 and Prince of Wales Carrier. Soldiers are your best and cheapest defense, if you want Naval/Air supremacy keep the US as an ally and they give all those cool benefits without the price tag.

I've seen 558, 607 And 655. The valiant has always been my favourite though. So simple yet so beautiful

If you ever getbtje chance, you should visit the avro heritage centre in Stockport manchester. It has a full sized avro, a type f monoplane and a roe 1 tri plane. It also has vulcanised, Lancaster, vc10, nimrod, anson, Canberra and a son 748 cockpit tours aswell as a whole host of other things to do

Thanks Daniel

the shirts is called batik

Very likely its age. Remember the Euro fighter? That hurt my ears.

Well, it depends on the yield and the target. With Hiroshima-type bombs, 500 meters can make a big difference, especially in hilly terrain or if you're trying to take out something like a bunker or a silo. And if the B-52 had considerably worse accuracy, they could maybe drop it a kilometre away. Of course, it won't matter a lot if you're talking about 50 megatons over a city, but those huge multi-megaton bombs were developed precisely because of a lack of accuracy in delivery. Greater accuracy allows for lower yields and smaller, lighter warheads, which in turn allows for faster delivery, smaller bombers/missiles, MIRVs, countermeasures, etc.

Heh. Despite the question mark at the end of my sentence... it was not a question. But great info, thank you!

In reality almost none, a nuclear device is most destructive and has the most range a kilometer above its target. It allows the blast wave to hit more targets and maximizes the radiated area.

It's still relevant, because both the B-52 and to a much lesser degree the Vulcan dropped conventional ordnance. The B52 is probably the most upgraded military plane, it would be interesting to see such a comparison in later years. Overall, the B52's history of flexibility is amazing - it even was the plane that ended up beating the long-distance bombing record of the Vulcan.

Because fuck you needs to be targeted well

Zos Xavius As a pro V-Bomber, I’ll say the B-52 is a pile of garbage.

Riiiiiiight

Zos Xavius I’m just joking, it’s actually an excellent design. Being so robust and modular along with an extremely stiff airframe and high payload capacity. Yes back in the day it couldn’t bomb as accurately but now we have JDAMs. Expected to retire in 2050 after a century of service. Still prefer the V-Bombers though.

:)

Zos Xavius ok it's shite

Everyone needs to credit the Germans for simple sweep theory. The original letter that George Shairer sent back to the US during Operation Paperclip documented the work on wing sweep. It changed airplane design forever.

Robert Underlee your correct, a barrel roll is very different

Press Z or R twice!

OÄKTA DOPBOK I know pathetic isn't it.

Are they still in use today?

Hammer Smith The B-52 is joke in this day and age. The British retired a far superior plane decades ago.

The B-52 is still in service because it has to do one simple thing and it does it well: be a flying dump truck full of weapons. It can't overfly defended targets with gravity bombs like it was to do in the 50s, but even in a lethal environment it can carry a metric shit ton of cruise missiles to within striking range. And once air supremacy has been achieved, it can go back to being a simple gravity bomb truck or it can load up with GPS-guided JDAMs and loiter in the area waiting for troops on the ground to call for support. There's something to be said for a fairly conventional design that can carry lots of stuff.

In a war with a sophisticated enemy the B-52 will be shot out of the sky.

we use two _taps_ , the cold one is the only one that is drinkable.

i know. i have been there for a month. somehow the rest of the europe figured that out and both are drinkable and mixed to a proper temperature.

ktm640lc4BGD The requirement to use 2 separate taps comes from an old regulation designed to stop contaminated water from flowing back into the system. Mixer taps are pretty common these days. Standard in new build properties.

and why are there no concrete houses? new properties are still made out of wood. is it the law prohibiting usage of concrete or people just like the wood or it is cheaper to build?

ktm640lc4BGD you must be thinking of another country. Wooden houses are very uncommon here. Almost all new houses are built from brick and concrete blocks.

Gary, if you haven't already seen it watch the take-off at RIAT 2015, the pilot Kevin Rubens said he wasn't allowed to do it at less than 150ft but when operational they did it at 50ft, also at it's operational height it could out manoeuvre any fighter off the day due to it's wing area in the thin atmosphere

Somethings never change sadly

Very true