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Valuing Bitcoin with Peter Dunworth 

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Peter Dunworth runs a multi-family office for high-net-worth families. In this interview, we discuss Bitcoin in Australia, and the reluctance of banks to embrace it despite it being the world’s most undervalued collateral. We also talk about the negative impact of state expenditure and taxation on inflation and the economy, and how markets are going to form around Bitcoin.
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“The first valuation framework is simple in that there’s $6.3 trillion of global trade that happens on a daily basis and if you divide $6.3 trillion by the 900 BTC that are minted on the day, you get to $7 billion a coin.”
- Peter Dunworth
Peter Dunworth runs a multi-family office for high-net-worth families. In this interview, we discuss Bitcoin in Australia, and the reluctance of banks to embrace it despite it being the world’s most undervalued collateral. We also talk about the negative impact of state expenditure and taxation on inflation and the economy, and how markets are going to form around Bitcoin.
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Australia should be a natural home for Bitcoin. Back in 2013, the governor of the Reserve Bank of Australia (Australia’s central bank) stated “There would be nothing to stop people in this country deciding to transact in some other currency in a shop if they wanted to. There’s no law against that, so we do have competing currencies.” This sentiment provides content for the mild approach the Australian government has historically employed to Bitcoin regulation.
As Bitcoin and digital assets mature there are demands for legislation from some prominent Australian politicians. However, as in the US, regulators are struggling to determine how to deal with Bitcoin in comparison to other digital assets. The Australian Securities and Investments Commission, the Australian version of the SEC, does not currently deem Bitcoin to be a financial product.
This lack of regulatory clarity is why Bitcoin is yet to be fully embraced by mainstream banking in Australia. Whilst Bitcoin transactions are allowed, there are increasingly onerous banking limitations on transacting with exchanges. Essentially, banks don’t want money leaking out of their control as this reduces their ability to increase the flow of money through fractional reserve banking.
It is Peter Dunworth’s opinion though that we could be at a tipping point. Bitcoin, according to Peter, is the world’s most undervalued collateral. Banks will eventually lean into this as they will be able to add it to their balance sheets and solve their current capital adequacy problems. They will then be able to leverage it as any other balance sheet asset for loans. This is why Peter believes that, in terms of the future, Bitcoin is chronically undervalued.

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Комментарии : 116   
@JackTheRipper369
@JackTheRipper369 10 месяцев назад
It's about time Dunworth gets on👌
@bender2033
@bender2033 10 месяцев назад
Cheeky intro. Well played.
@stevem5580
@stevem5580 10 месяцев назад
Terrific guest! There is no cheat code for learning BTC “choose your own adventure”.
@renatowhoareyou2464
@renatowhoareyou2464 10 месяцев назад
Man its about Time! I love Peter D.!
@msdy51364
@msdy51364 9 месяцев назад
I went to your channel coz I wanted to listen to Peter Dunworth and most channels they don't really know what to ask, but you do it very well. But you do most of the talking, let your guest talk more, we would love to listen to their views more. Thank you. I hope there will be a part 2 to this.
@Hope-is-not-a-strategy
@Hope-is-not-a-strategy 10 месяцев назад
Great discussion. Peter D is a legend!! Loved the content!
@rambomumbai1498
@rambomumbai1498 10 месяцев назад
The BTC valuation framework discussion is fantastic and eye opening. Thanks
@paulkinglifecoach5347
@paulkinglifecoach5347 10 месяцев назад
Hi Pete, I'm from south africa and I can tell you that as soon as your country's currency starts wobbling, the mass adoption of btc in that country is a done deal, look at Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Venezuela etc, the people work it out for themselves, neccesity is the mother of invention, desperate times, desperate measures etc.
@swaaalla
@swaaalla 10 месяцев назад
Good to see a Dunworth on the show
@DjangoVonShaft
@DjangoVonShaft 10 месяцев назад
Well played sir
@PlanetFrosty
@PlanetFrosty 10 месяцев назад
Great show and exposing failed government.
@spagfoot
@spagfoot 10 месяцев назад
Great episode 👏 Some really important points especially around estate planning and partners. Thought provoking stuff!
@suunt12
@suunt12 10 месяцев назад
Great show guys. Thanks. 👍
@jacobcollins3954
@jacobcollins3954 10 месяцев назад
I flew in to see you guys in Sydney. thanks so much for coming. really enjoyed the night.
@ambrose391
@ambrose391 10 месяцев назад
Great show you blokes🇦🇺
@prula
@prula 10 месяцев назад
Peter Dunworth is awesome!
@LucasBitcoinnaisseur
@LucasBitcoinnaisseur 10 месяцев назад
I like him, he looks like Hank Schrader
@davids5970
@davids5970 10 месяцев назад
Thank you Peters!
@jonaswittmann7130
@jonaswittmann7130 10 месяцев назад
Absolutely love Peter!
@davoidofaith
@davoidofaith 10 месяцев назад
Mr Dunworth is a dead set legend;)
@Vi3ioN_BTC
@Vi3ioN_BTC 7 месяцев назад
This is such an incredible interview!
@edcunningham4949
@edcunningham4949 10 месяцев назад
Yeah good discussion and Peter puts forward some food for thought!
@JuzzaDaMuzza
@JuzzaDaMuzza 10 месяцев назад
Awesome. Send me tickets for April 👍😀
@off-roadingcars
@off-roadingcars 10 месяцев назад
Great show, is the Jason Lowery redo next?
@mitchtavio
@mitchtavio 10 месяцев назад
By the sounds of it Jason Lowery was ordered to stop talking about Bitcoin publicly.
@TheBitcoinSource
@TheBitcoinSource 10 месяцев назад
Good Interview
@P__114
@P__114 10 месяцев назад
What an opening story
@RONIN_SATS
@RONIN_SATS 10 месяцев назад
Bitcoin is the best form of collateral the world has ever seen. Add this to the long and growing list of things that bitcoin is the best form of.
@Bacrenfencing
@Bacrenfencing 8 месяцев назад
Loved it, great content and fantastic channel !
@pbr653
@pbr653 9 месяцев назад
That you summarize the important content in the description… I tip my hat to you.
@rubenortega6088
@rubenortega6088 6 месяцев назад
Peter is on point with his analysis.
@21M..AgeOfTruth
@21M..AgeOfTruth 10 месяцев назад
Moving large sums from banks to purchase Bitcoin is likely perceived by banks, as a 'bank run'.... and they wouldn't be wrong...
@adiintel1
@adiintel1 10 месяцев назад
Banks have shot themselves in there foot though.
@S.I2023
@S.I2023 10 месяцев назад
One major flaw with bereavement, multisig and probate by trusted third parties! Your Bitcoins will become subjected to inheritance tax! Great episode by the way....
@stephenandrewsrealestatevi7138
@stephenandrewsrealestatevi7138 10 месяцев назад
Why not do a series of "HOW TO" podcasts explaining the process of obtaining bitcoin? It surely will help!
@apc4884
@apc4884 10 месяцев назад
Incredible story about the shark
@mattbrown2668
@mattbrown2668 10 месяцев назад
LEGEND
@dhiemazalfa
@dhiemazalfa 10 месяцев назад
you should come to Indonesia Bitcoin Conference in 26-27 Oct 2023 in BALI Pete
@Toto77777
@Toto77777 10 месяцев назад
Still waiting on that Ben mckenze interview
@gregoryw9
@gregoryw9 7 месяцев назад
Bring Dunny on again!
@thomasshackley3816
@thomasshackley3816 9 месяцев назад
peter you legend mate 🟧
@xeromys
@xeromys 10 месяцев назад
Very isolated Bitcoiner here. When/where is the next Bitcoin Bush Bash? I need to drag my arse from the middle of Woop Woop and meet some other Bitcoiners
@BradGrayable
@BradGrayable 10 месяцев назад
If you're in the Woop Woop, it's just right down the road from you in NashWoopVille. Next July 25th-27th
@Boaz357
@Boaz357 10 месяцев назад
Sorry day is a scam! Read about ths Apache vs Comanche....they fought each other for 250 years over land and food...did they have a sorry day..NO!
@davidlecerf7965
@davidlecerf7965 10 месяцев назад
BTC is alive and well in the Pilbara, WA.
@TheRealDerekS
@TheRealDerekS 10 месяцев назад
consider me baited!! the Chum Brothers get me every time!! I cant help myself, kinda like a 14 foot great white that picks up the scent of blood and fear in the water 😅 love you Danny, you're surfing through our hearts❤
@davef5916
@davef5916 10 месяцев назад
danny on blue collar... YES
@atishbaboolal6993
@atishbaboolal6993 10 месяцев назад
There were some pearlers in here, “Rich men north of Virginia” “The Zimbabwean Rand” I was dead In all seriousness I really enjoyed this one. My thinking is very much aligned with Dunworth buts as a former finance bro myself probs expected. It’s also an the use case that makes the most sense to the finance peeps. I’d they can print on top of a base asset they will do it. That brrrrr is addictive.
@fannys941
@fannys941 10 месяцев назад
You're upside down 😂
@kyrip
@kyrip 9 месяцев назад
Who's that Mike or Michael guy they're referring to at 49 minutes that told Peter to buy Bitcoin at $3?
@mattbradley1716
@mattbradley1716 10 месяцев назад
All the lending companies blew up though? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
@marcw1
@marcw1 10 месяцев назад
SHARKS & BANKING, HOW IRONIC 🤣 keep up the great work!!!!!! BTW should have bated for more clicks 🤣
@danielthompson3882
@danielthompson3882 10 месяцев назад
more questions and more listening time please … saves all the scrolling through over familiar monologues. Sorry to be blunt .. love your guests and will keep turning up anyways x
@WhatBitcoinDid
@WhatBitcoinDid 10 месяцев назад
Familiae monologues are for the non-regular listeners. If you listen to other podcasts, you will notice those hosts do the same. It is the challenge of making a show which is good for people who listen to every episode as well as those tuning in for their first time.
@pshyeah1128
@pshyeah1128 8 месяцев назад
Why’s it upside down…..
@HuAr999
@HuAr999 9 месяцев назад
A bit off the mark on the flat rate tax in Singapore
@DavidLawrenceDaley
@DavidLawrenceDaley 10 месяцев назад
Fuckin awesome
@jonayfool
@jonayfool 10 месяцев назад
🙃
@anewcreature7
@anewcreature7 10 месяцев назад
Great interview! But does Peter actually use ledger, trust it for his stack?
@westtexashodler2646
@westtexashodler2646 10 месяцев назад
$10T times $100T times $2Q divided by 21 million is 10 to the 32nd power!
@MrSniganoo
@MrSniganoo 9 месяцев назад
I don’t get why hr would suggest multiplying these TAMs. Adding them together fine.
@DueceBandit
@DueceBandit 8 месяцев назад
Did it start upside down cus of down under haha
@pdx.puddle
@pdx.puddle 10 месяцев назад
Inverted
@sealobo
@sealobo 10 месяцев назад
You’re hurting my neck.
@lunarwireable
@lunarwireable 10 месяцев назад
Moved most of my money to BTC, and closed my bricks and mortar bank. But this just seems silly. Trades/BTC = price projection? Perhaps it will reach $2B a coin when the dollar fails and hyper-inflation ensues.
@JoeNakamoto
@JoeNakamoto 10 месяцев назад
lol @ the intro from down under To skip the confusion jump to 0:23
@vavoo4971
@vavoo4971 10 месяцев назад
Ha!
@Phateau
@Phateau 10 месяцев назад
Great guest! I disagree that Europe is heading the same way as Australia with the police. The police state in Australia is at another level entirely. You can see it with the way police, customs, bouncers treat people and in the way they approach privacy and data issues. I doubt Europe will get as bad as what Australia currently is. That would be a dim outlook.
@adiintel1
@adiintel1 10 месяцев назад
I live in Oz I can confirm this country especially w.a is a nanny state.
@slop123456789
@slop123456789 10 месяцев назад
I think our relaxed attitude of “she’ll be right” and our tendency to see ourselves as the lucky country blind us to the Orwellian panopticon we’re allowing our government to assemble around us.
@adrianlekay7715
@adrianlekay7715 10 месяцев назад
Make money here and fuck off. That's the plan
@LuisAlvarez-oq9we
@LuisAlvarez-oq9we 10 месяцев назад
I'm European and excop, married and living in Oz now. You are totally right I'm afraid. This country is a police state. My theory is that we are still in convict island, the difference being that us the convicts are allowed to work to produce some value and pay taxes under the guise of being free
@chrispotter2948
@chrispotter2948 10 месяцев назад
Rich men of North Virginia?
@manusboyce8309
@manusboyce8309 10 месяцев назад
@wolfsden3
@wolfsden3 10 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂 💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
@danozspain
@danozspain 10 месяцев назад
great great show... congrats.... the 6 months thing (unofficial de facto) doesn´t pay the other person your previous earnings.... only if they contribute to the house, stays home looking after you or kids.. etc.. and it will be a percentage of the earnings after starting the relationship
@guy35451
@guy35451 10 месяцев назад
Who was selling things in bitcoin when it was £80 🤔🤣
@caseyburridge7522
@caseyburridge7522 8 месяцев назад
Peter, you're a good interviewer, but PLEASE stop cutting off your guests when they are in the middle of an interesting train of thought. It's very frustrating. Let them speak and finish what they are saying.
@jimd3263
@jimd3263 10 месяцев назад
@26:50 Things got weird during the interview when it came to the discussion of "National Sorry Day". Not because the guest brought it up, mostly because he pointed out that "20% of the population are first-generation immigrants" and "what do they have to be sorry for?"......This is deeply flawed thinking. When you immigrate to a country you assume the sins and obligations of that country. Full stop. For example, anybody who immigrated to America after the 9/11 attacks could not elect to stop their tax dollars from funding the Iraq war simply because they weren't here when those planes brought down the towers In New York. Germany is another example. They've been paying reparations to Holocaust survivors for decades since WW2. Do you think newly immigrated German citizens could withhold a portion of their taxes on the grounds that they simply weren't there when entire families were being annihilated? I'm an American and new immigrants here are free to go about their days without considering American chattel slavery and how it shaped the USA today. However, they should understand that this would not be the richest country in the history of the world without CENTURIES of FREE BLACK LABOR. New immigrants don't have to feel "sorry" for Black Americans but they should definitely understand that they wouldn't have a favorable place to immigrate were it not for the subjugation of my direct ancestors. Ask yourself: Would Australia be what it is today if the indigenous population had not been utterly subjugated and nearly wiped out in some places? It's a miracle that Australia still has an indigenous population. Let's honor the people whose families were destroyed so others could enjoy places like Sydney - one of the wealthiest cities on Earth.
@jimd3263
@jimd3263 10 месяцев назад
Not trying to cheapen the episode, a lot of great points were made and I hope we can have Mr. Dunworth back on the show. As Bitcoiners we should strive to understand the nuance inherent in our society.
@TimmyPaco
@TimmyPaco 10 месяцев назад
I dont get it. By his methodoloy how much would it be valued after all issueance is done? his rational giver a strong reason for bitcoin to have tail emission
@Rlec021
@Rlec021 10 месяцев назад
At this rate, our great grandkids won’t see those kinds of valuations
@braincloudfilms
@braincloudfilms 10 месяцев назад
This is the first ever episode I had to abort watching, for the comments around the 29 minute mark. When I lived in Sydney, then Melbun back in 2001, my jaw was on the floor at the open racism towards its Indigenous people. Interesting to see over 20 years later, nothing has changed. A day for Truth and Reconciliation is the the least Australia could do. The fact it’s residents can’t even do that; the ignorance is incredible.
@jaredholitski
@jaredholitski 10 месяцев назад
Heard the toilets flush different ways while down under, didnt know video feeds went upside down too.
@wolfsden3
@wolfsden3 10 месяцев назад
You should have an MMT BTC hater on just to balance things out a bit. Maybe an April Fools edition 😂
@randallstephens1680
@randallstephens1680 10 месяцев назад
Scary shit! And I'm not talking about the shark.
@jmanjr
@jmanjr 8 месяцев назад
You’re not a libertarian Peter; you’re a Ronald Reagan fiscal conservative.
@love5cents
@love5cents 10 месяцев назад
Are you two related?
@juniorwhitefish
@juniorwhitefish 10 месяцев назад
14% is nuts.
@AltumNovo
@AltumNovo 10 месяцев назад
Yep Bitcoin going to 130 quadrillion mcap
@antcramp
@antcramp 10 месяцев назад
How much is $20 Billion in Bolivars?
@stevedre
@stevedre 10 месяцев назад
What Bitcoin Did? It screamed like a little school girl when a bug crawled by! Tough guy footballer my arse. BTW: Peter D is the the BEST!
@Kaybe23
@Kaybe23 10 месяцев назад
when #monero talk Peter ?
@dipunm
@dipunm 10 месяцев назад
It's true 😔. Civil relationship. On the flip side, you don't need to get married to get tax benefits either because of it.
@twitafftwitaff7029
@twitafftwitaff7029 10 месяцев назад
The government just tax you right up the shitter
@leighgordon9311
@leighgordon9311 10 месяцев назад
I would like to hear more about the Craig Wright lawsuit against the Bitcoin core developers to get his 1Million lost BTC back. This is a huge concern, yet nobody talks about it.
@Robsamuel
@Robsamuel 10 месяцев назад
I don't think you understand lol
@PlanetFrosty
@PlanetFrosty 10 месяцев назад
The progressive movement always ends with bigger government. That is the Achilles heel of progressives and many conservatives have their own flip side issues that don’t functionally use bitcoin.
@rigaleb
@rigaleb 10 месяцев назад
Literally Down Under 😂
@mrbb
@mrbb 9 месяцев назад
Peter the vaccine salesman
@xponeke2440
@xponeke2440 10 месяцев назад
Let's divide everything by 21 million while ignoring the millions of BTC already lost as well as those that will be lost. A deflating 'money' supply and its effects is never sensibly discussed by these pundits - just how rich they will be.
@MostAlpha
@MostAlpha 10 месяцев назад
BTC is going to Z E R O
@h.a.s.42
@h.a.s.42 10 месяцев назад
Such a bad idea to advise on 30x leverage.
@travisprice1325
@travisprice1325 10 месяцев назад
I don't believe to Hyperbitcoinization will happen, if at all, in our lifetime.
@johngammon963
@johngammon963 9 месяцев назад
Every podcast Peter has to bring up his lefty progressive nonsense.
@END-THE-FED
@END-THE-FED 10 месяцев назад
You should have requested payment in bitcoin.
@formxshape
@formxshape 10 месяцев назад
6:45 “Danny and I…” 🙏 please use polite grammar! Every show you’re speaking with toddler level English 🤓🫠
@derek.seaborn
@derek.seaborn 10 месяцев назад
🙃
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