Lots of money will have to be spent. 3 CGI dragons was hard enough, now imagine hundreds of dragons. The giant topless towers might also have to be CGI as well. Magic, spells and stuff would also have to be CGI.
Its not about making there are few blacksmiths that can actually reforge valaryan blades. Its all about the ingrédients and yes dragon fire was part of it but also there were others ingrédients Which went gone in the doom.
So if it is true, that all 14 volcanoes erupted at the same time, it is highly likely, that there were in fact a supervolcano, like Yellowstone and the phlegraean fields, with every crater just beeing one weak point over a huge magma chamber. Beeing that close together would fit that picture. Not only would the timeframe fit, as supervolcanoes do tend to sleep for a long time between eruptions, like 100,00 years,, but the amount of destruction would also be fitting. If we take a look at the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, we can see a similar picture here: The Indonesian vulcanic island of Krakatoa exploded in a massive VEI6 and literally destroyed itself to the point, that only a small part of the island remained. The main body of the vulcano was ripped apart. The eruptions shockwave was felt 180km away, where it still shook houses and furniture and the sound of the explosion is said to have travelled the globe three times. It also generated a 100m high tsunami, that killed people around the sunda strait. A supervolcanic eruption can reach a VEI 8 or even higher (an VEI 7 eruption is ten times as strong as an VEI6). And like we see in Italy around Mt. Vesuvius, areas around vulcanoes are so fertile that the are beeing re-settled despite the danger. If the Romans were unaware that their Mt. Vesuvius was a volcano, the sheep herders of Valyria could've been, too. It could be a plausible theory to what the Doom of Valyria was.
I suspect that, like Krakatoa, Valyria was once a single round volcanic cone, which in a prehistoric eruption blew itself out and caved in, like Tambora did, leaving a collapsed mess, which restarted erupting from many points.
Nosa he doesn’t write quick enough. I always imagined it would be beneficial for the publishing house to make a huge payment to grrm and outsource certain eras and regions to their own fantasy authors.
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Yeah this is something I hate about film portrayal of medieval and ancient warfare. It is rarely even close to accurate. Just guys with swords and unrealistic armor walking with some archers thrown in... Slingers were lethal. ABSOLUTLEY lethal.
Mantarys has more or less been assumed to have been so obsessed with inbreeding to keep that bit of Valyrian blood pure, that it has led to extreme inbreeding, resulting in a lot of siamese twins, explaining the two heads or extra limbs.
And on top of that, the Sling with a Lead Ball typically had longer range than your typical compound bow. Some people consider that Slingers may have been intended to counter archers before cavalry was 'mainstream'.
manterys is such a tiny nugget of lore yet is one of my favorite things about a song of ice and fire because it adds so much mystery to the story with so little
I believe they did change the lore a bit in GOT (stonemen are sent to Valyria instread of Chroyane), since Tyrion and Jorah do pass through Valyria in the show, where they are attacked (Tyrion and Jon Connington sail down the Rhoyne in the books).
That was a very dumb and lazy writing choice, quite coherent with the 2 dumbass running the show. I don't see any reason to call Chroyane Valyria in the show.
There is some new info about Valyria in the new Fire and Blood book, about a Targerian princess who flew there on a dragon and got infested by strange parasites so big it made her skin bulge when they moved. Pretty messed up stuff.
I would love a book or books about the Valyrian Freehold documenting their rise and fall or a tv show or movie, I find their history really interesting plus I want to see all the dragons... i am really curious as to what caused their doom, and how they learned to tame and control dragons and use magic
Is it me or should there be more lore on the valyrians that were on leave and were just absent from the peninsula in general during the doom? Maybe detail if everyone in valyria just went mad, or these are just superstitious rumors and there are survivors of the doom?
hi! i'm back ten months later. the remaining dragonlords were killed in the ensuing chaos of the century of blood. several noble valyrian families were slaughtered in the streets of the free cities as retaliation.
@@lauren-he4fr how abt their dragons, like wt is the possibility that every dragon is in valyria at the time of doom ( they can be on vacation or conquering lands or juz exploring). If only 5 dragons are used for unification of westeros, even if only three are present they can do pretty much.
@@rodangaming4889 there was a dragonlord named Aerion who had several dragons. He tried to reclaim valyria and become it's emperor. He was in Qohor at the time of the doom. He went missing and presumably died in valyria.
@@will2brown50 If I recall correctly, he only had one dragon and at the time of the Doom, he was staying in Qohor for unknown motivations (probably just passing by). After hearing the news of the doom, he raised an army of 30,000 qohorik men, declared himself First Emperor of Valyria and went to reclaim what was left of it atop his dragon. Neither the army, nor Aurion, nor the dragon ever came again. Btw I do believe some dragons may still be out there, a couple of wild dragons survived the Dance of Dragons and are never said to have died so they could have had offpring in time, and the same could be said about the Doom, maybe some managed to fly away
Valyria is like those Ancient Empires in Greko-Roman world and Mesopotamia. Pretty much the sorce of all civilisation in the West of the World Map is related to this land.
@@subutaynoyan5372 asshai is more like mesopotamia. assuming valyria is the source of all civilization is like assuming nothing came before greek and roman times.
Think their power was based on types of magic they could perform. It is often mentioned how much knowledge was lost in doom of Valyria. Some examples are architecture, volcano mining, Valyrian steel. We don't see Targaryens do any of those things. All they can do is bond with dragons and make black stone. That can also be the reason nobody listened to their warnings or cared when they left for Dragonstone.
@@sophiawilson8696 there were 40 freeholders, not all of them were dragonlords targaryen may have been a weak dragonlord house but a dragonlord house nonetheless and would have been powerful within the standards of valyrian rulership
I say there are multiple places dragons come from apparently most north of the wall there are giant ice dragons 3 times the size of the normal dragons and under valyria across the sea there are dragons that don't breathe fire.
the dragons that dont breathe fire are called wyverns, there are loads of them that run rampant on the continent of Sothoryos and are one of the reasons why its so uninhabitable. theres also rumours that the Valyrians created dragons by experimenting on firewyrms and wyverns with blood magic (as a dragon is kind of a combination of the two species) but thats not confirmed
He's clearly lying on the grounds that Valyrian artifacts can be found practically everywhere cuz that's how widespread they were. Just cuz he says he went to valyria doesn't mean he actually did and his artifacts aren't proof
hard to believe that with all these other colonies, no other dragonriders outside of the targaryens survived. not to mention, if dragons are fire made flesh, how would volcanic eruptions kill them?
there were other individual dragon riders, they were in the free cities when the doom happened, but after valyria was destroyed the free cities fell to infighting to succeed it, the remaining dragon lords were killed in the process there was one dragonlord who may have led a house, he gathered an army and his dragons and went to reclaim valyria but they were never heard from again
This was a massive system of 14 volcanoes erupting simultaneously, it’s just not fire, it’s lava and much more. And the whole dragons are fire made flesh is just allegory.
The mining jobs left and Valyria became the Rust Belt. The three cities are actually reminicisent of Detroit and Flint, Michigan, along with Gary, Indiana.
Maybe the magic affected the people around the Fourteen Flames and it's created something like Chernobyl. Where people that survived had cancer or malformations due to the radiation. Maybe the magic was huge enough to make it.
The people of Oros and Tyria mutated into feral monsters, and although Mantarys was not as effected, they too suffered (people were porn with two heads etc...)
3 more notes 1. Land of long summer fate is known. It has been flooded when the doom appeared, turning once rich and fertile land into a swamp haunted by demons 2. Elyria is prominent for it's slaver city reputation 3. Valyria has had alot of colonies in the south that were not mentioned. If i recall correctly they were Goggosos, Isle of Tears that completely died out of red plague and Gorosh, former Ghiscary colony that was used as a prison/slaver camp until it disappeared
About those slingers its probably inspired by the balearic slinger wich where one of the most effective units in ancient times and sought after by rome and carthage
Is ridiculous how I am fascinated by every damn place but Westeros... we need to get Big George on LSD and write about the empire of Valyria and the other Dragon lords families
Mantarys Elyria and tolos are very interesting places since they survived. I wonder what those cities look like. Are they shadows of their former self or is there still some wealth there.
Man all that great stuff from Valyria, and now think that in the show we couldn’t see any of this in general. I hope that one of the spinoffs tells any story here, revolving Targaryens.
A handful survived, but none of the dragonlords did. The most powerful Valyrians in other cities were usually quickly assassinated, or killed by angry mobs. The video mentions the one surviving dragonlord who was in Lys when the doom happened. He declared himself emperor and then took a massive army to Valyria to try to find out what happened and just... never came back.
This video is wonderfully informative, but misses a few spots. One is when the narrator calls the Doom a natural cataclysm, though there are many hints that it was perpetrated and premeditated as a calamity caused by the Braavosi. A very interesting, slightly conspiracy theory-ish series of videos exist to back up this, as well as many other claims, with albeit only circumstantial evidence, but a lot of circumstantial evidence. 2nd, Euron Greyjoy did go to Valyria. He has a full suit of armor made of Valyrian steel. However, this is told from the POV of Aeron Greyjoy while coming down from shade of the evening, so it may be a hallucination. Also, perhaps Euron's many reavings acquired him enough Valyrian steel to forge a suit of armor by a Qohorik armorer, but then there is Dragonbinder. Finding that messed up horn and a suit of Valyrian steel armor makes more sense if he went to Valyria, but he otter have a whole mess of swords, weapons, and armor that did not fit if he went to Valyria. Euron, really, is far more mysterious than he is evil. Yeah he is evil, but his power, motives, objectives, and purpose are all not what they seem. The only clear thing about him are his methods. They're fucked up and full of evil shit that would make Snidely Whiplash cringe, but it has been prophesied that a hero would rise from the sea. Wouldn't it be some amazing, mind-blowing shit to find out that this evil, brother raping (as he claims), serial out of the mouth tongue ripperering, druggie pirate with a god complex turned out to be a good guy?
They should do a prequel to Game of Thrones, imagine the Battle of the Trident and Barristan Selmy, Tywin Lannister, Robert Baratheon, Arthur Dayne, Ned Stark, young Jaime murdering the mad king, we all know what happens but you could develop some character development in their that would be interesting to watch just read the Kingsguard book for history
The outcome almost would be the same, they wozld have conquered westeros, just maybe more sadisticaly or perhaps gentler. Either way, westeros would be united.
I have always wondered "what if Valyria was not destroyed but hidden by magic, sealed off, so magic would weaken in the rest of the world thus allowing the eventual defeat of the White Walkers?"
TOLOS- in real life slingers used (american) football shaped lead projectiles, they say they are to small and to fast to be seen by the human eye in flight, unlike an arrow. if a lead weight hits you in the eye doing 20mph it can kill or explode an eyeball atleast.
How I Raonic that valyria that was possibly the only means of stopping the others got wiped out cuz if valyria was still around than the others' plan to March South on Westeros might've been possible. Lake in Lord of the Rings Sauron knew that he'd never win as long as numenor was there to stop him. Valyria is the de-facto numenor, minus the dragons and slaves.
Is there any information about Tolos and Elyria? How did all of the dragon lords die if those cities made it out ok and were ruled by dragon lords? I’m a little lost here. I’m a little upset we don’t have all that much info on Valyria:( I would take a spin off of it any day
The Romans used slings similar to the ones described if not the same and and work pretty much just as good as arrows fired from a bow in some situations it's better they are certainly lethal they are Pretty much bullets and people got really good at slinging them around and flinging them in hidden targets.
Hi! I know this video has been posted a long time ago and chances are that the serie of the maps is over, but if you ever opt to make another would you consider making it about Asshai and the Shadowlands, it just seem like such a mysterious and interesting place...
Ack. Well, at least you mention their Sothoryos colonies in this. Big fan of your map videos. Your next should probably be on Sothoryos. The idea is that Zamettar was their version of Roman Carthage, and the headquarters of the "Free Holder" faction (the wealthy merchant princes who aren't one of the two dragonlord factions). If you look at a map...we already knew that winds and currents in the Summer Sea go clockwise, which is why shipping lanes to Yi Ti have to go east through the north side of Great Moraq around Qarth. Well....how do they get back? Keeping in mind they've also said that most ships hug the coasts instead of going across open water (except the Summer Islanders and Ironborn). Well....ships heading west back TO Valyria would go along the coast of Sothoryos, and reach Zamettar. And we KNEW that Zamettar was once a flourishing city, right? Why would there be ruins if it wasn't once a functioning city? The idea is that the north coasts of Sothoryos used to be a more habitable/settled - before the tsunamis from the Doom wiped out Zamettar. Used to be a trade hub for all the ships coming back from Yi Ti - I'm guessing, but look at a map. So one of the big tensions in it will be like the fall of the Roman Republic: the capital versus the provinces. And which was the wealthiest province/most interesting? They settled on Zamettar (not ALL of Sothoryos, mind you, that's an entire continent, but the coastal strip used as a trade port. I mean, similarly, Qarth is just a city on the coast, but its entire hinterland is the useless Red Waste. Probably a short update on "Well, we know that Sothoryos had SOME cities in it, planted by the Ghiscari, captured by the Valyrians in the third Ghiscari War" etc etc. This video on its own is great, though - you do mention the Sothoryos stuff.
I look forward to this new series. They Will have to work hard to to live up to game of thrones. I'm excited about the actors they will hire. New stars will be made and hopefully great character actors we are familiar. I'd love to see Mads Mickelson play a villain on the show. The Targareans are my favorite family on GOT.
@@danielmdax I cannot explain why, but while British (Westeros), Italian/Roman (Valyria), Greek/Carthaginian (Ghis), and Chinese (Yi Ti) analogues make sense in G. R. R. Martin's world, somehow I have a feeling that a Russian analogue just does not fit well into the lore. Again, I cannot explain why I feel this way very well -- I just do. My best theory to try to explain it would be that "Britain", "Rome", "Carthage" and "China" all are (1) far more well-known to history buffs than Russia is, and (2) possess traits and qualities that seem to be more "universal", to the point where those traits could be included in and enrich even the lore of a completely different fantasy world, whereas Russia's unique traits are kind of only specific to Russia (ex. it adopted the Cyrillic alphabet -- cannot really translate over into the A.S.o.I.a.F. world; it is stereotyped as having a lot of potatoes and vodka -- again, not really interesting or universal enough to help build a different world; it had a history of tenuous relations with nomadic peoples -- not really unique in either our world and Essos).
Haha haha no. Just no. None of it is that simple. There’s a mixture of mythology, history, and culture with a plethora of inspirations. Italy? This story takes primarily inspiration from medieval ancient history. So... i assume you meant Rome? There’s elements of Roman inspiration but not solely. Look at Braavosi is clearly heavily inspired by medieval Venice; a city-state in what is now Italy... but using Italy in a medieval context is pretty much always inaccurate.
So Valyria is basically roman empire, with westero being britan invaded by romans, free cities being roman colonies, the destruction is sort of inspired by pompeii I would guess
Nah, Valyria is inspired by Melnibone, from Michael Moorcock's Elric stories ( the Melniboneans are Dragon Lords & slave owners, practise magic and rule over an island empire) with a hefty dose of Atlantis and Numenor from Tolkien's Silmarillion mixed in for good measure.
No @hanhai8515. The shadow people of Asshai created through blood magic half human and half animal creatures. These are the Valyrians themselves. No humans have violet eyes and silvery gold hair like the Valyrians of old. They are part dragon part human and they can bond with fire breathing dragons. That why most Valyrians stayed in within Valyria and 14 volcanoes that gave them their power and energy. If you are part dragon you want to be around magical areas.
@@Madame702 That makes sense, I understand the stories in the setting/other fantasy novel are more related. I'm trying to say the geography and events of Valyria also mirror a lot of the events and geography in classical antiquity. It literally looks like the shape of Italy/mainland Europe/Britain. With similar events like Roman conquering Britain. Free citiies such as Braavos literally have a giant bronze statue. just like Colossus of Rhodes in the real world.
Ruins shown in GOT S5 have to be Valyrian just geographically, because the characters move from Volantic to Slaver's Bay, and on what route Valyria is an unreasonably risky shortcut, while Rhoyne, being northwest from the route, just makes no sense. The encounter with Stone Men was moved there, and no renaming took place.
Surely more Valyrian people escaped. They were known to travel in different cities of Essos. It doesn't make sense that only 1 family with dragons survived.
Is it just or me does ancient Valyria look like the Roman Empire/Italy? At least on the fictional map? And Westeros is basically UK/British isles while Essos is a collection of scattered nations like modern day Europe - Central Asia?
Is this video pre Fire and Blood? Cuz you missed the part when Aerea Targaryen goes to Valyria on Balerion and manages to return, although she dies immediately after returning.
You didnt mention that they probably tried to breed themselves with the dragons, thats how some of them had the ability to "spit fire" and that how deanerys is fire proof
Exactly! I love how he threw that in there. Rome also made their roads with ash and other mysterious shit that makes them last thousands of years. We still don't know what it is exactly
That's the show - in the books they pass through The Sorrows - not the smoking sea. In the show they combine these two areas, but in reality they are different. "In reality" lol - in the book reality. In the book's logic, they wouldn't even dare that trip.
