I appreciate you taking the time to address this issue and I agree with your sentiments. Some people on social media are piling on Vans and I just don't think that's helpful. Those of us who are affected by this need to give Vans time to execute their plan.
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Don’t even underestimate crack problems that occur during assembly! A 30 year old airframe with 1000s of inflight hours most definitely didn’t start with many cracks.
I’d never underestimate if we were seeing multiple big cracks. But so far I’ve been able to track down one or two that have a crack so small I have to use extreme magnification to even see it. That is our build. Other builders have a lot more and a lot bigger cracks than we are seeing.
I’m building an RV-10.. This issue has taken on a life of its own. The cracks seem to have taken on a life of its own and keeps getting deeper… Serious, let them test it out.
In theory they say they are a couple days away from the next update for us all. I do get both sides of it. We need to let them test it out, but also it is likely to have a big impact on all of those who are affected.
Hi. I am a RV 10 Builder in Sydney , Australia am have been following your build for inspiration. Please freeze frame 1'22" and tell me if that's not a "flaw-crack"
I do agree there is something there on that one. It’s not one of those huge cracks we’ve been seeing on other builds. We will be talking with vans in more details this week at Osh. And basically we are waiting for their testing to complete to see what we should do next on the wing.
I’ve never seen an aircraft insurance company ever get that deep into the weeds on it. If it has a valid airworthiness certificate and logbook entries. They should be good.
Guys, I see cracks in at least one or more of the dimples in that spar footage around 1:23. its the dimple one in from the end... the last one that has the skin+spar+flange tab looks like it might also be cracked..
When I first passed over them, I too thought it looked like a crack. But as I moved it around and looked at it from other angles (not included in the RU-vid video), it is just a scratch from the bucking bar.
@@N14VE Not sure how a bucking bar scratches a dimple underneath the shop head of a rivet, but I guess your video quality on the borescope was better than it pushed on youtube.
My flap spars have the blue on them so I'm good there, I think. My fuel tank baffles have no blue so I think I need to replace those before I start the tanks
How do the holes look? Just because it doesn’t have blue doesn’t mean it was laser cut. Lots of parts that were heat treated have the blue removed. If it is laser cut, you will see a hole that is not perfectly round and there will be a notch on one side.
@@N14VE The holes do not appear to have as high of quality as the blue punched parts. I have not dimpled them yet so maybe they'll be ok I'll do whatever Vans recommends.
One should consider that most kit airplanes will most likely be operated by the builder over the life of the plane. Generally the plane will be low total time over years of ownership and formation of cracking will be small, and most builders will display a high level of maintenance. Most important point that each airplane will have zero time airplane that will provide a safer plane over a high time use, and much older airframe. This is the key point of why people select kit plane construction so that they can have new, and at an affordable price that can't be touched by any current plane manufactures.
I have wings and fuse, both QB. Both in the laser cut time frame. Can I ask when did you get wings? They began source my parts in Nov2021 and then sent all parts to brazil in May2022. Got the kit delivered around April 2023. I think I asked them to delay for the Weather as MN my garage alley was still mountain high with snow. TIA. Now that I watched I see that it is March 2023. I'm wondering/hoping maybe we can ascertain that the parts were mostly from 2021 time frame and when the laser ones were coming on line they were still punching? Who knows we will probably never know. How confident are you there aren't underlying problems that you can't see with the shophead rivet covering up problems to develop later. The flap spare and the Aileron spar they say to "Replace". Keep in touch if there is anything you find out please post a video for us. It is very helpful to have your eyes out there. I just don't have a lot of time to get into this.
Primary answer is. I’m waiting to see the test results from Vans. I did talk to Greg the other night and he affirmed to me what vans has been saying publicly. The testing process will tell us a lot. Assuming the test comes out well and I don’t see anything visual. I’m building on and not thinking about it. If testing shows some concerns. I’ll be looking closer.
I’m quite sure I have laser cut parts. I honestly can’t remember which ones as at the time I didn’t think it was important to document that. I know my horizontal stabilizer is punched and I’m pretty sure my elevator spars are laser cut but not sure on my rudder or vertical stabilizer and old pics didn’t show them in blue but think they were in blue. Either way, with my naked eye I don’t see any cracking plus I was very observant when doing my rivets during construction and saw nothing concerning. I’ve also had my parts looked at by my mechanic and he’s built several planes and was happy with quality. Plan is to get some magnification on the rivets we can get to and get a final look. After reading Vans e mail I couldn’t tell if VANS was recommending replacing the spars on the potential affected parts with or without cracks just as a precaution but that sounds like a bad idea if no cracks are visible. I will te read it again and likely ask a few questions once I’m as OSH. Hope to see you guys there. Thanks for the video.
Looking forward to seeing you as well! I've been pretty impressed with this Scope Camera I bought off of Amazon. It really let me get into a lot of the parts and take a closer look.
got the email stating the tail kit “may be affected” but not gotten the email of when its ready for pick up yet, so hoping its in the clear or resolved prior to picking up the crate 😂
If they've crated your kit with Laser Parts inside of it, I would really work with Van's to sort it out before you pick it up. Of course if you're picking it up, you must be much closer to them than we are.
@@N14VE yeah im in bend oregon so ill be driving out there with the truck to pick it up, ill look into seeing if its got laser cut parts before i drive home with it while at the factory 👍 thats a good idea
The honest answer to that question is: Van's Aircraft is doing extensive testing as we speak to give us a real answer that we can trust. It is my opinion (I am a person that has no training or education to support my statement): If the rivet set and you have no visible crack, it is fine. The problem with that is... You'll have to do a lot of building and then find a crack, then stop until a replacement is available.
Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't want anything laser cut on my airplane at all. Even if it looks good at assembly, the jaggedness of a laser cut hole is only going to encourage future micro cracks to form.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang I do agree with you on I’d rather not have a laser cut part at all. And if I had a stack of laser cut parts on the shelf not already built, I would wait for a replacement for sure. But when I see one or two small rough areas in a fully built assembly. Am I going to tear it apart and rebuild it if testing shows it is a non issue? That is a much harder question. If I saw a big crack, yes. But small things? I know we’ve made enough other mistakes as normal builders that are worse than that. We are waiting and seeing the results from vans on our Flaps. So far that is are only concern area. And if we have to rebuild and replace them. We can, even after first flight if we decide too.
I didn't see cracks in my dimples with my naked eye. Nor with a magnifying glass. Only when I looked at them with a jewelery's loupe did I see them. What you showed with the boroscope looks good. But a boroscope is not a microscope. I am a lucky one: I'm only gonna lose about 100 hours of work and probably a few hundred dollars.
I’m pretty sure if I look at any hole under that level of magnification, I’m going to see cracks and rough edges. There is a lot of stress and movement when a rivet is set. The failures that have been reported where large cracks visible to the naked eye.
You are done. Want to feel safe flying in turbulence or pulling G’s in a turn ? Want to SELL this thing at some point ? Vans will be gone, no continued support… black days ahead
1, Vans won’t go away. They will be changing, but they won’t disappear. 2. How many certified airplanes are still flying with no support? Almost everything I’ve flown in the last 20 years have no support or company behind them any more.
