Vasa - Sinking, Wreck and Salvage (Part 2) 

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@@JohnGeometresMaximos Here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wp37g7Edjpo.html

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A question on the "meta" of Naval History: How would sources from outside of the Navy, like say for Jane's Fighting Ships, gather information about modern warships of the time? Wikipedia mentions that early on they were his own sketches, did he visit ports of each nation? Were there press releases of sorts he compiled? Seems challenging without the internet

The USN Fast Carrier Task Force of WWII made the decision NOT to maneuver under attack. From Wiki:"Other than this measure, the carriers in the task group would not take evasive action from their attackers. This was in marked contrast with the Imperial Japanese Navy, but the choice made for more stable platforms for the anti-aircraft fire of all the ships in the task group and allowed the ships in the group to sail more closely together." Since the IJN was very effective at dodging bombs, was this the right policy?

Did you talk her into your bed?

@@siggesaltens2663, for me talking about ww1 German Battlecruisers with them works the best.

@@KentuckyAk101guy I like the Von Der Tann

@HDJ - I hope you used soap while bathing, otherwise it's a waste of Drach's good bathwater.

@@v0nndermaxx Me too. Since I was a kid she fascinated me.

Have seen it twice, and I can only agree.

You sir, are a poet. If shewill not marry you now, I would!

Wow, the way you described it I could almost feel the old girl. And that is the way the architects of that building wanted visitors to see Vasa. The closest I have come to something like that is the U505. The first time I saw it, the Submarine was outside and you couldn't see it but it had entry and exit doors to visit the interior. The next time I visited they had made a building just for it and as you walked in, you actually felt the power of the boat. Oh, and you can thank those architects because from the sounds of it, your girlfriend was pissed about being dragged out in the snow and cold just to visit and old boat, now she is your fianc'ee sorry but my computer won't let me spell fianc'ee properly. don't shoot me, shoot Microsoft.

When I stood outside the museum I had not much expectations at all. I thought I would see an ugly black-brown wreck large as a school bus, and that the rest of the museum would just be filled with random maritime items of various time periods. But I was wrong. Instead did I see a gigantic ship 5 floors tall and also very long and wide. Its wood was dark and ugly. But when you walked closer to it you could still see great handicraft and sculptures everywhere in the ships rear which were amazingly preserved. I tried to photo the ship a hundred times. But not a single photo can do this gigant justice. The ship is simply too big to capture with a camera from any angle. I walked up some stairs to look down on the top of the ship - and there I could see ropes, masts and holes going down to the ships interior and such details. Its amazing to see what a typical ship of the 1600s could looklike. This ship is like the pirates of the Caribbean for real. The ship is huge and must have been very heavy. 10.000 oak trees died to build this gigant. But still is this ship only half the size of ships that entered service only some decades later. Its fantastic that this big ship could be brought up from the bottom despite being so heavy and huge. And that it is so well preserved despite being so old.

I travelled to Sweden in February 2005 and had some spare time in Gothenburg. I can attest to the low temperature of the water in the harbour, as our cross-river ferry had to force its way past small iceflows, some of which were occupied by huuuuuuge grey Swedish seagulls, much larger than the white ones we have in Oz ! we walked into the display hall and were stunned by the size and beauty of the Vasa.

I visited her when she was still being sprayed with PEG. For me, it was the high point of a trip to Scandinavia. As I also visited the Oslo Viking Museum and Fram that might say more about me than Vasa? Nevertheless, I would suggest you find a way to see her in the flesh. I will not get another chance, and that is most unfortunate.

@@John.0z when I was there the first time.. I think it was in 1984 they was finished spraying the hull, ut they was still spraying the details not atatched.

@@matsv201 you went recently? You know, because it IS 1984. Okay, pardon my attempt at humor... "thank you everyone, he'll be here all night."

@@matsv201 My visit was mid '70s. I spent most of the day shuttling between the ship hall and the exhibits and information in an annex. In one of the information displays there was mention that her longboat had recently been retrieved, and was undergoing treatment. I found it sitting almost underneath the ship. The camera I had with me was not all that advanced, but I set it for maximum exposure, braced it against the handrail... and the shot came out! In the photo I could see the longboat better than I could in person. Clearly I still find that visit exciting. :-)

Some of you are going to die... that is a price that im Willing to pay

Meanwhile the British dynamited the 74 gun ship of the line HMS Implacable in 1949 rather than preserve it.

Always a good idea to over-egg it on the ballast for the maiden voyage! Shame, really, but as you say, some good has come of it.

@@Edax_Royeaux For the USN lookup the USS Hartford(of Civil War fame) and the USS Oregon (of Spanish American War fame). Neglect and monstrous stupidity.

@@delurkor sad stories, all, but the world's navies are funded to engage in the business of "contemporary issues," not of maintaining future museum pieces. Wanna discuss _USS Constellation,_ too? Motto: _Who's been sleeping in my porridge?_

First time?

At least Mary Rose actually did fight enemy capital ships…

Men, Ships, and The Sea. 1963. My mother sold it in a yard sale.

It didn't sink, since the mast were still above the waterline, it merely ran aground.

Wargaming (probably): "Interesting idea, and probably historically accurate to someone's imagination...."

@@Alobo075 you know, using that logic you can say that no ship is ever more than 7 miles from land!

That's some Sunless Sea vibes right there.

a mood that was later adopted by german light cruisers, if I remember correctly.

Was Drach writing this script?

It’s a submarine now

I'm guess it was the same attitude at Pearl Harbor.

still in the navy books until the 1960...the hidden reserve fleet

It suffered an inadvertent & temporary vertical displacement.

Like that Global War we had back in '99 before Macross Island was plowed by Zor's fortress and we all came together as brothers in Robotechnology. Cheers from Vermillion Squadron, bud ;)

It was just added to my bucket list.

I feel the same about my Grand pa.

On our best behavior or Drach will have us walk the plank on the way to being keel hauled and whatever is left will be fired from a cannon.

@@sadwingsraging3044 Nah, he'll just take away our rum ration, which is an infinitely worse punishment.

The best kind

Non judgmental !

What does it mean actually? Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker.

@@dzejrid i'm not a sailor nor a marine engineer, i just interpret that as [a 300 year old shipwrecked hull was not only strong enough to be raised, but strong enough to float on its own]

@@Cal94 meaning there's life in the old girl.

That gave me goosebumps!

That was shocking. I always assumed it was raised in bits and reassembled.

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No drachinifel does not forget, he just has years and years worth of content planned so deciding which ones to prioritize can be difficult

Thanks for mentioning the naval base at Mukö. I didn't know there was such a thing. That's so cool! From what I gather it has to be a huge facility.

@@KR4FTW3RK There are maps of it's layout floating around. They have three major tunnels into the mountain, one of them is a full shipyard and there is a smaller tunnel for submarines. One of the nearby islands also has a large tunnel but it has limited support facilities (Älvsnabben). The base had a full hospital underground and all the support facilities of a naval base.

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yes, what a task. I really now want to go and see it...see th result

I recommend the bilgepumps podcast on cimsec org, it is hosted by dr clarcke and drachinifel and armored carriers. The podcast covers current stuff. (Cimsec is the center for international maritime Security)

@@senecanero3874 It's also on Spotify from episode 3 onwards. I highly recommend.

Swedish military records were probably the most detailed and well kept in Europe at this time (the 1620s), the level of detail found in the surviving documents is often exceptional. The problem is that all of this was thanks to a highly centralized government which kept all archives close at hand in the Royal Palace in Stockholm. And that went up in flames in 1697 destroying among other things much of Sweden's medieval history. Documents that survived did so because they had been moved from the crowded storage rooms to other locations or because the librarians and archivists threw them out of the windows as fast as they could before the fires got too hot. So we are left with a record that is highly detailed for one year, then almost blank for the next. Not sure if the Vasa muster rolls survived but at least some names would be recorded in the official inquiry.

@@Vonstab Its a tragedy. Also most of the writings of Sweden's early history was lost in those flames. Who knows what medieval treasures, Chronicles and statistics that could have been lost there? Its one of great tragedies in world history along side the burning of the library in Alexandria.

wasn't the the Victory more like, the first fast 1rate of the line or something?

The last remaining of its type, not the last built, Like the Texas being the last dreadnought

For what I read after a quick googleing is that that forest was grown in the 1830s by the navy. Which is quite understandable given the dramatically changed strategic situation for Sweden. It had just lost Finland and the Baltics to Russia and Pomerania had been lost to Prussia. So most of the oak tree growing areas had been lost when Sweden lost its Baltic and North German provinces. And the need for timber was important for national security. Warships made from iron and steel had still not had their breacktrough. So oak timber was needed for warships. Since this type of wood is very hard and durable, it is therefore being the gold standard material for building warships (While cheap low quality wood from spruce was used to build some merchant ships). The strategic situation had changed along with Sweden's new borders. Stockholm was no longer located in the middle of the Swedish Baltic empire. With the loss of Finland did now Russian troops now sit very close to the Swedish capital which now were located on the eastern part of the new Sweden. Having a navy to protect this vulnerable Capital from an amphibous invasion now became important. In the past was Sweden's main shield against Russian aggression the Swedish army and the border fortresses in Finland along the border with Russia. But they fell into Russian hands after bribes and treason, and Finland was thereby lost in 1809. And so did Swedish owned Finland history end after 800 years. Anyways. I am no tree expert but I think that a tree needs about 30 years to grow. So I don't think centuries of planning is necessary. But decades of planning is however long term indeed. Especially back in those days when people died at the age of 35 or 50. But I think this project did indeed involve much planning. You need many oak trees (10.000!) just to build a warship like Vasa which was less than half the size of the warships of the 1700s. And making a forrest and then cutting down all trees at once doesn't work if you want a long term substainable supply of timber for the navy for all time to come. At most can you cut down 1-3% of all trees in a forrest if you wanna stay within a substainable rate. So you can cut down 3 trees out of 100. And then you have to plant new trees and wait 30 years before they can replace the trees you just have cut down.

As soon as you are fully vaccinated and global travel is back to normal, you are very wellcome! /greetings from Sweden

The museum recently opened a new area on the fifth floor to visitors. From up there, you get an amazing view of the decks from above and behind the after-castle. You need to take an elevator to the fifth floor. You will probably miss this spot if you don't seek it out.

@@JH-lo9ut It is really on the 7th floor, since we start counting the floors from the basement underneath Vasa. So when you enter the museum you are on level 4... weird I know.

All things considered, Titanic sank pretty slowly