@SC O'Dubhlaoch and you guys ironically LOVE talking about how bad vegans are. Its only the ones doing it for attention that feel the need to bring it up constantly and because of them that vegans have their rep. You're hypocrites who don't support people's choices in being vegan. I'm not even vegan and I can tell you that much
@@karlhenderson8463 Exactly. I see far more non-vegans brutally criticizing vegans than the other way around. I think a lot of it comes from internalized guilt towards consuming animals; people would rather hate vegans, and claim that they're crazy, than acknowledge that they have a point.
@@spooky_bozo that's a lovely theory expect for the fact that I have absolutely no guilt whatsoever (internalized or otherwise) from enjoying a steak. & It's rather funny how you make claims of non-vegans being more critical, while in the very same comment you yourself were being critical of non-vegans🤔🤔🤔.
@@jeremyweekes2126 I'm merely stating why I believe that some non-vegans are so critical of vegans. Sure, you may not feel guilt by simply consuming a steak, but would you feel guilty if you had to slit the cow's throat yourself, and then watch it struggle and bleed out? It's easy to feel shameless when you are completely disconnected from something as this creates a lot of cognitive dissonance. I would hope that most humans, if confronted by it, would feel empathy in seeing another creature suffering and struggling for their life.
@@spooky_bozo what you've done in your response is precisely why non-vegans are so critical of vegans like yourself. You spent nearly the entire response lecturing me about what you think I should & shouldn't feel guilty about like some sanctimonious windbag. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to lecture me about anything because you don't know the first thing about me. But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't feel guilty about it. Maybe I should also point out that their throat isn't slit while still alive. They receive a quick painless bolt to the head, then have their throat slit to drain the blood out.
THIS type of vegan pisses me off. I'm vegan but I don't tell my friends not to eat meat around me. It's MY choice not to eat meat. The respect that, but it's thier choice to eat meat.
@@lamadoo I don't think anyone CHOOSES to be eaten mate. Fact is, it's the person's free choice. You can educate them respectfully or be a preaching guilt tripping drama queen like this guy. Nobody goes 'mmm I like this abused and tortured corpse meal' when they go to Maccies, they just happen to fancy a burger. I guess not everyone over dramatically looks into what they eat, some people have more important things to worry about in their lives... This is coming from a vegetarian who is currently converting to veganism before anyone gets triggered lmao
@MrNorthernSol If you can live a healthy life without harming the animals and the environment than why wouldn't you choose the ethical solution? Does torture and death justify a hamburger? Red meat is now actually classed as a class 2 carcinogen and processed meat as a class 1 carcinogen - same category as abestos and ciggarettes. Come back to me when you watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LQRAfJyEsko.html
@MrNorthernSol MrNorthernSol It is simply supply and demand, the world would not go vegan overnight - it would be a gradual decline as consumers stop paying for the slaughter and suffering of animals which equals less breeding. We are currently forcibly breeding 120 billion animals into suffering and death every year, put yourself into their positions, you are not God - with great power comes great responsibility. The majority of grains is fed to animals not humans while the other half of the world is starving. Not to mentiom the leading cause of environmental degradation is animal algriculture. I think you need to stop making excuses and to align your values with your actions.
Exactly! I'm a vegan too for 6 years now, but it's not up to us to always play up and put omnivores down. Besides, he should then only go to a vegan plattform, looking for a partner, if he can't tolerate a non-vegan.
That's because it was discourteous. Change the context: Imagine if your date made it known that mushrooms make them feel queasy or phobic and then you decided to order mushroom risotto :-P
@@slothman3981 ultimately I would avoid mushrooms, but if it was the only dish I liked on the menu, then obviously I'd order it. However, I know plenty of Vegans and not one of them has had an issue if we've gone out for a meal, and I've ordered a steak while they order a vegan dish because it's common courtesy to not judge people for what they choose to put in their own body.
@@PhoenixRebellion01 Would you order it without first bringing it up with your date? When you say "gone out for a meal" with vegans, do you mean as friends, or as dates? The contexts are different. *"it's common courtesy to not judge people for what they choose to put in their own body."* This is a very deceiving way to phrase the matter. It almost seems intentional. You do understand that the judgement is not about what somebody puts into their body itself, but the consequences of doing so, right? If somebody bought a meal that supported the slaughter of dogs or human children, would it be "common courtesy" to not judge them? Or is it that you care about dogs and children but not farm animals?
Literally, when i clicked on this I was thinking hmm who could be the vegan - now I was considering her but as soon as he said Harry with an i.. I knew 100% girl, RUN.
I’m not a vegan or vegetarian but even I know to be considerate and ask first how the other feels about me ordering meat or fish at the same table as them. It doesn’t hurt to just be a bit considerate of these things for the other person.
@@lindsay_carv I still don’t think there’s anything wrong with being considerate when sitting at the same table. My roommate was vegan and because sometimes we would eat together, I asked her if she’s fine with me eating non-vegan dishes at the same table. Of course she was sweet and didn’t mind. Maybe that’s just who I am to think of others around me. Happy that my parents taught me the value of being considerate than a prick.
How can he go into a date in a restaurant expecting his date to accomodate to his tastes, and if they don't, call them out on it? Not everyone is a vegan. He just seems extremely immature and as a vegan myself, this was just rude and frankly a little strange.
Nick B he asked specifically for a vegan date (i know him btw), he was confused and and felt uncorfatable because she was eating fish in front of him which is obviously not her fault like he says at the end but dont go asking whats in her food to make him feel sick or uncomfortable it wasnt his fault that he felt for the fish LMAO hes a geniune nice lad at the end of the day and everyone saying hes rude but maybe they need to think twice clearly she was rude to him and he also asked for a vegan or veggie date either the show made a mistake , she could of lied and said she was veggie but in the clips she says i used to be which suggests she might of just put down veggie on her application
he's the types that gives vegans bad names. it's like he thinks hes better than you because he doesn't eat meat.... but i bet his cloths and the stuff he uses are made out of animals/dead animals
GoWithTheFlow no sorry you don't just criticise someone as they're eating their food. What probably happened was that the producers purposefully matched him with a meat eater to make some drama, and happily got more than they bargained for with this silly chap
it's called ignorance, being vegan is only difficult if you think about yourself first before the victim (more like just your tastebuds) people will trade suffering and death of animals just for a selfish taste. makes me sad to be apart of the human race but of course there are good , aware people, who try to make a difference
My friend was at a McDonald's and order vegetarian burger. Shes been a vegetarian for a long time. McDonald's made a mistake and gave her a meatburger which she realized almost after she finished eating . She has started eating meat since then.
@@jonahlevi3178 Human rights, much less animal rights are almost nonexistent these days, we are frogs in a slowly boiling pot of water too stupid to jump out.
Stop this hate...He told her he was a vegan..Many vegans are not comfortable when they see an animal eaten or killed...still she ordered fish without asking....both of them were at fault...most of people in my family are vegan ...I know how they feel when they see some animal killed...please stop hating him..He should have left without offending the lady if he felt uncomfortable... don't hate him.
Nilmani Singh so if I say I’m only a meat eater you must eat meat because I’ve said I’m a meat eater. If I only eat meat you should ask can I eat vegetables and fruit ? Or is this only one way?
@jay adams yep, you have to hate vegans, because if you like them, you will feel as if they are better than you just because they dont need meat or fucking any disgusting animal product to survive, but you, you do, because you are a weak, needy, scrawny,desperate, and senseless fuck
I had just started working in a kitchen and the first thing the pastry Chef said to me was: I’m vegan. No hello or nothing, she just randomly said I’m vegan. She.was only vegan for about 5 days tho. Either way she was still an annoying bitch.
Well he didn't, he asked for a vegan cider because he's vegan and then she asked "oh, youre vegan?". Also, its a tv show so they've edited around the bits they talked about anything else.
It's not a personality trait per se, but it is an indication of the virtues that you want to represent. If you refuse to buy meat you are likely doing so out of compassion and selflessness; whereas if you buy meat - especially factory farmed meat - you are demonstrating the vices of cruelty and selfishness. I'm not saying that all meat eaters are inherently cruel, but that action does represent cruelty.
@@spooky_bozo if thats the case why cant vegans shut tfu about being vegan?, why do vegans think not only does everyone need to know they are vegan but everyone should also be vegan too!. Its like someone doing charity work then taking to facebook to tell everyone what they have done and how compassionate and loving they are. its an ego massaging exercise, nobody gives a fuck.
@@stephenlord1986 How are you meant to raise awareness about a cause if you can't talk about it? Vegans don't speak about veganism to be egotistical, they speak about it because of the injustices that happen within the farming system. It's about the animals, not the humans, so stop concentrating on the messenger. You may not like hearing about veganism because you consume animal products, but that doesn't mean that animal agriculture isn't an exceptionally cruel and environmentally damaging industry.
@@spooky_bozo Ah yes, the transparent, passive aggressive tone of "I'm not saying I am better than you, but I am' nonsense. You are not superior in ANY way.
@@spooky_bozo Why have you assumed Stephen is a meat eater? Presumption is the trait of an irritating vegan. By all means, eat what you like, please stop preaching your self entitled (and deluded) superiority to others.
What he presents is emotional abuse: controlling, making others guilty, not being empathetic ( expressing his thoughts without considering others feelings), making others feel bad about themselves 😳 good job she stood up for herself 😏
She handled the situation incredibly well. I loved how she said the food looked amazing when it arrived 😂 It's fine if you want to be vegan and it's okay to educate people gently on the matter but it's personal choice and guilt tripping someone for eating animals is not going to help your point of view.
Suraj's Opinion is Better It's her choice and she didn't impose it to him, there would be a problem if she did. Everyone makes their decisions based on their beliefs and it might have been rude or indelicate of her but in the end it's her choice. Why are her beliefs less than his? How is it "rational" to be against eating meat? You have the notion that if all apeople were vegan there would be problems to the ecosystems of the Earth.... If you went to a place where it was rude not to accept the food of the people and it happened to be meat, what would you do? I don't think you would eat meat just because of their beliefs and culture. In the end, you are thinking about your 'truth' and not in the major picture.
Suraj's Opinion is Better I'm not trying to justify her actions, I just think respect between people is the key. My words reflect my perspective and yes my words reflect me as a person and so do yours. Have you seen how rude you've been? Have you thought of how you're responding to me? On the contrary I've not degraded anyone or thought bad of their beliefs. And yes it was a good question and you couldn't give me a reasonable answer. You're just thinking about yourself and not the others. You actually don't understand other people cultures and it's not their place to change for you. Everyone needs to adapt in different circumstances and your actions reflect you. I would actually like to see you in a situation like that because I don't think you would make the right choice and as you said it's basic courtesies. And it's the same, maybe she needed to adapt and to choose not to eat meat to respect him and in the same way you should respect others if you were in a situation like the one I've said before. I don't think it's fair for you to come here and belittle her or anyone else when you and all of us have questionable responses and action to certain circumstances. And what are you saying? That you can't have beliefs because you don't know other perspectives? Everyone can have beliefs regardless of them being ignorant, that's how life works my friend. I don't oppose to changing beliefs and I reckon that you should always be informed and working towards the future. What's the need to have a proper answer? It's not like you are talking about it all the time. You shouldn't feel the need to defend yourself because you're feeling attacked. Not really related but a little and you don't have to answer if you don't want to: What's your religion?
How am I defending her? I'm calling you out on the things you've said. The fact that you refuse food even though it's not well received in your culture shows who you are. Now imagine going to other cultures and doing that. I don't think she is uncultured, I was using your words to come across with my point of view. I'm not defending him because he's not being attacked. You are talking about her and he has no purpose being in this conversation. Veganism might be the clearly the right thing to do for you but it isn't for me or for so many other people and I'm struggling to find your respect or empathy for those who don't practice your choice of life. I do have skype. I'll gladly Skype if it isn't to 'convert' me or anything like that. Interesting, I just asked about religion because it has to do a lot with the values a person has. I am Catholic.
shoe laces I am an ethical vegan yes, but I completely understand that speaking this way to non-vegans is totally ineffective. We need to lead by example but this fella is a bit over the top 😂
shoe laces no its not please respect others and let them live the way they want as long as they are not harming anyone iam not vegan (vegetarian) but i do know that most of them have very good reasons for being vegan even tho you might not agree on them
@a ggoogle user 454 stereotyping again, and what makes a dog different from per say a pig, pigs can be used as therapy animals I've seen and are very intelligent, why is it okay to eat Bacon but not dog? I just wonder who draws the line?
@@ooZouhouRoo not true, I've been vego my whole life and I really dont make a spectacle of it, someone could have a barbeque and eat a whole steak in front of me and I couldnt care less. As long as I'm not eating it I'm in no place to judge someone else for doing so, we all have choices :)
For cods hake. That’s displaiceful. How cod she do such a ling. So shellfish of her. No plaice for people like this. Bet he feels like utter crab after seeing her do that. Did she not realise how it might make him eel.
This girl knew what she was doing lol "omg it looks so good" "can you tell me what's in it?" She knew the guy was an utter twat, so thought might aswell wind him up haha.
@@spooky_bozo LOL, however the disapointment she probably felt was because she was sure he was going to nag her about him being a oh so superior vegan. That is the difference, usually. In my experience, vegans LOVE to TRY to make others feel bad about themselves. People with NORMAL eating habits (everyone, go and die and horrible deaths if you use the expression "meat eater", bunch of cunts) just want to get along.
Alex Small theres nothing wrong with shaming someone for eating fish... thats not the problem dumbass! The problem is the hypocrisy, says she can express herself and then shames her for doing that.
Alex Small you mustn’t be very smart then... humans shocking are different to animals 😱 we are by far superior in so many ways, plus we care more about animals than animals care about each other.
Alex Small it is fine for Humans to die, they just don’t because we are smarter and stronger than other animals, sure people do get killed by them and that is the circle of life
Alex Small I have to disagree on the animal product thing, it meat gives us protein and things harder to obtain from plants, plus you need less meat than grains to feed people meaning we’d need to plow down more land to farm more plants, more people would starve without meat than with it... besides without the care of humans, so many animals would have gone extinct, cows for example need us... don’t you care about the animals?
krishna blake he’s been vegan since he was 14 I’m sure he knows which ciders are vegan at this stage he could of just asked for what brand he wanted...
Agreed. He’s got no social etiquette. “If you can’t take who I am, you can fuck off” whilst simultaneously not being able to take who she is... what a fucking pleb he is.
What "behavior" are u okay, can't handel someone not killing needlessly? And telling others, hey you're eatting a dead animal, they were alive and felt pain befor they were killed for your tastebuds.
Haha! Yeah that one threw me as well, Max. Has he ever seen a jackal rip into its prey, or a domestic cat torturing a mouse for ages before finally deciding to kill it?
Good on this man for ordering that Vegan Cider, every year millions of apples are kept locked in tiny cages and have their throats brutally slit just so selfish humans can have something nice to drink. We can all work together to make this world a kinder place, for Apple and Man.
Seriously, people. Just do some research before you comment just a tiny google search. There is so much information on the internet. Yes, ciders usually are not vegan hence he asked for vegan one 🤦🏽♀️
Vegetarians are usually people who don't realise that the dairy industry is the veal industry... In the egg industry all male baby chickens are thrown into a macerator on the first day of life or suffocated...
Suraj's Opinion is Better nah she knew exactly what was going on and decided to take the piss on him. on the other hand he was being very disrespectful by judging her food like that especially when you're on a date where u make first impression that's just absurd
@pastore perplexity lol, wondered where suraj had gone recently. Didn't know you trolled on anything other than football channels, fair play, you're a talented guy
I mean I really don’t like this guy or what he says, but other animals eating other animals is like, completely different to humans eating meat or fish or dairy products
@@Percido for centuries humans have eaten fish as a source of food and as a resource for selling to other countries for profit. So I'm pretty sure it's not "out of taste"
phillip napper Thanks to technological advancements, like agricultural revolutions, mankind has evolved as a species. This led us to being much more efficient in harvesting and creating food with relatively less labour. While not yet completely, soon we will not have to rely on fish since there are plenty other options which sustain a healthy and balanced diet.
I relate to the girl a lot. I'm not vegetarian or Vegan, but like she said I don't consume large amounts of meat either. I'm just not opposed to eating it.
DeoxysDNA lies. I have people in my life who say this but every meal they eat has meat. you might not think you eat much meat but you do. (have many meals a day do you eat with meat? )
Mike Blaid Are you a mindreader? Have you been stalking the person that made the original comment to know their daily eating habits? If the answer is no to both of these questions then shut the hell up. Calling someone a liar when you have absolutely no proof whatsoever is ridiculous.
Then you should educate yourself more about veganism and the benefits. Not only for you, but to connect with every being around you. Imagine humans being killed as we kill animals today. Unimaginable right? It's the same thing.
sydney mccaw unfortunately one that doesn’t tend to be true. Although if someone deliberately ordered a corpse and ate it in front of me to piss me off, I’d consider them the megacunt, not me. It’s always meaties that tend to get triggered anyway... they go on the defensive when their views are challenged.
charly charly Who says 'he cares'? A lot of vegans (not all) are vegan because they think it makes them interesting (why within 2 minutes do you know that they are vegan), they are like religious zealots. Most do little for animal rights. Most do it for some moral superiority. A lot do it as a control mechanism such as for weight loss. Why is there such a high co morbidity beween veganism and mental disorders. Of course some are truely vegan in every sense of the word, but to imply an absolute correlation between veganism and 'caring' for animals is fantasy. I should know, I inhabited that world for 16 years. There are more fakers than not.
“You’ve killed my friends. You’ve got to make people feel guilty a little bit haven’t you?” I’m vegetarian but literally *gtfo* He is the worst kind of vegan you could hope to meet.
Vegetarians please stop saying we're friends you fund the fucken veal instursty, rape and forced impregnation of cows, the separation of mother and child, the grinding or suffocating of male chicks or byproducts as the industry calls them, the starvation of "runts", the slaughter of egg laying hens as they lay 300 or more eggs a year taking a great toll on their health most are luck to live 1 1/2 years as they are replaced by younger hens that still have their feathers.
It being natural doesn't equate to necessity. We don't eat meat for pleasure, we do it because of instinct. Those instincts like you say, are because we had to. It's also why so many get fat from sugar, because we need it and it isn't as widespread in the wild. While you can choose to live without eating meat, many that do lack nutrients. As someone who hates veg, I know that I certainly couldn't live healthily as a vegetarian or vegan. Plus there's tolerances for bugs even in your salads so at the end of the day it's easier to just accept that death is a part of life. Personally I'm quite hopeful towards lab grown meat which could one day reduce the resources needed for meat, lower methane emissions and potentially have high quality meat with ease. Changing the whole world to vegan just wouldn't work, so vegans should be allowed to their choices, and meat eaters the same. In this case I think she made a good choice, she found out early that he wasn't compatible. She could have ordered something vegetarian or vegan to go along with his views and only later find out that he was a complete tool.
"How are you not establishing this." Because you're more focused on your own biases rather than face the reality that life is cruel. As for why it wouldn't work, like I say, if most people suddenly swapped to veganism, so many people would end up with poor diets affecting their health, many industries would be completely flipped over which would be bad for the economy (of which money from many places uses animal by products), and the many animals that we raise would probably have to be slaughtered, because they sure as hell have no chance out in the wild. Frankly it's hard enough to give value to our own species considering how much people discriminate against each other, including yourself many times to several people in the comment section. Though I will admit that there are meat eaters that complain about veganism unprovoked which comes off as equally immature.
I have to wonder just how many times he goes to the ocean or an aquarium to see his friends, his only friends I suspect and has conversations with them. And the fishes reaction to him being their friend is for them to piss and shit in the water he swims in
Alana erm where the fuck did i say that? I never said because she ate fish she's a nobhead however yes she is a nobhead because she asked what was in her food on purpose to make hari make him feel uncormfatble, by all means , eat your food but dont let someome say whats in it out loud in front of a VEGAN... YOU need too gtfo
Wow what a jerk. The guy of course. You just met the girl and you're telling her what she can and can't eat? She has no obligation to accommodate your unreasonable demands. I have vegan friends and they've never once shamed me for eating meat. The only time they even bring it up is if I ask, or if I offer them something they can't eat. Being vegan doesn't give you a license to be rude. I'm amazed the girl didn't just get up and walk away.
@a ggoogle user 454 I don't force my beliefs on anyone, my entire family eats meat, I never say anything but I've had strangers friends and family all tell me I should eat meat so in MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE meat eaters tell me and others to eat at not vegans, it could be different for you but not for me.
@Notre Aira I think you missed my point entirely, I was basically saying all animals are equal if you would eat a pig, why wouldn't you eat a dog. I don't appreciate the generalization of vegans picking a fight with you, it's like saying all cops are bad because some shot people, or saying all black people are bad because of one of them pissed you off. So many scenarios of stereotyping and generalizing people based on interactions you've had or seen on the media, it's not fair to vegans that they are seen and perceived this way even when some don't say anything. I can't control other people's lives I know that, my morals are probably different than yours if someone disagrees with me I don't call them a "crazy bitch" like you, I believe that no animal deserves to die for taste I think it's selfish that's my opinion you don't have to agree, I never said you had to, my point was so many people love there dogs wholeheartedly I know I myself would give my life in a heartbeat for one of my dogs, but why are dogs more important than for example a chicken? Who decided that a cow or a chickens life meant less than a dog? It's something I've always been curious about. I deleted my last two comments cause I did not like the way I was speaking and I do apologize for it but I never called you a "crazy bitch". Also this is online you don't have to read it.
@a ggoogle user 454 I see you wrote a comment making fun of vegans opinions and proving that you are the one discrediting others. Also I usually say that we had other sources of protein now so we don't need meat anymore but whatever think what you want I honestly don't care.
@@BabyVenomJoker exactly so many animals are forced to reproduce and the get slaughtered it's just so wrong I can't imagine ever being forced to have sex, give birth and then get killed and eaten. I feel for these animals.
There is nothing wrong with being vegan. There is always something wrong with insisting people believe and live as you do. No matter what that belief is. You can not try to force someone to live like you. He needs to learn to respect people’s differences.
Spot on! Applies to all sorts! religion, sexuality, beliefs etc. have your own and that’s great, I’ll have mine and everyone gets along just fine! I think that’s one of the biggest problems with people in the last few years... this “agree with me or fuck off” attitude. It takes all kinds 😎👍🏻
@@fairlanewhip79 that's why I dont like the LGBTQ community because they try and push their sexuality into everything. Any move, game, TV show or book has to have a character that's in the LGBTQ community or they are discriminating against them. I dont care if you are gay, trans or whatever (I have met so wonderful and kind people from that community so I dont hate them as a person), just don't push it onto everyone else. It ruins alot of things because they have to be changed or altered to not 'discriminate' against a group of people.
@@Shadow_1923 As opposed to there being absolutely no heterosexual characters in the media. I'm gay and I hate forced representation, I find it pretty insulting, but I think there's a fine line between forced representation and simply including non-heterosexual characters because they exist in the real world. And I'd like to see the line in the Gay Manifesto in which it demands that every form of media must include a gay character. All the LGBT community has in common is that they aren't heterosexual, any other opinions are their own. I'd love to meet this cabal of media-forcing gays so I can tell them to stop it, but I doubt you'll be able to just give me their phone number.
@N7 Nomax i'm not gonna lie, I once to pretended to be a vegan for this girl she was litteraly getting wet when she heard a guy was vegan etc so I played all along. It got me laid 😂😂😂🤣