Vegeta’s life is so metaphorically relatable to what many of us go through. I work hard, struggle, experience heartbreak and defeat to achieve our goals yet we sometimes stand by and watch as others get things handed to them. If there’s one thing I take from Vegeta’s story is that life isn’t always fair and everyone’s path is different.
The most ironic thing about this is that in that moment, he discovered the true secret to ultimate power (i.e. to let go of his obsession and stop caring so much about being better than Goku), but the moment he achieved the transformation, the lesson was completely lost on him.
Imo this only happened bc he was convinced becoming a Super Saiyan meant he was literally invincible. It’s only after he gets humiliated by 18 that the lesson is lost on him.
u r wrong, its not that he stopped caring in the healthy sense. Because of his pain and rage he has gone in the completely opposite direction, him letting go is not out of acceptance, but pure despair and pain. (in this scene)
This is what annoys me about super. This is how hard vegeta had to struggle to become a super Saiyan and now all the universe 6 Saiyan’s can just do it because of a sensation in their back
I always try to reason that they were probably overdue for the transformation since their universe 6 is parallel to universe 7 and being warriors themselves, they were already pretty strong similarly to the universe 7 Saiyans at the time.
Vegeta is the most motivational character in dbz and truly accepted life over meager desires, from proud, arrogant prince to a role model, even in dbgt his character shines, though i hate dbgt
A lot of ppl miss the spiritual aspect of DBZ. Seems to me the last thing Vegeta had to do wasn’t more training under more gravity but to completely detach from worldly things for a moment. He didn’t care about winning, being better than anyone, nothing at all…it was like the last latch had finally been broken for all that stored potential to unleash…not him crying his way to super Saiyan how most comments make it seem. Vegeta has a rough and very relatable story in terms of being the best version of yourself or being who you think you are destined to be.
Almost makes me tear up watching this. I love Z’s deep and intricate backstories and explanations for things fit into the episodes. This story by Vegeta truly captures what it meant to be a Super Saiyan, maybe even more than what it took for Goku.
Funny thing is, this scene wasn't actually in the manga. Vegeta just has Super Saiyan now from offscreen, and there's not an explanation given how he got it. This recount is filler, but it's an example of extremely solid, character defining filler that should have been in the original story.
@@EzioAuditore-vr1oy well I mean, Cabba earned it tho, kinda. Kale was already sorta a super saiyan, she was a LSSJ, or I guess super saiyan berserker, even though she literally became broly with tits. Caulifla can go fuck herself
Sorry but that is not true. If you want something you need to think 400x to get 400x solutions and choose the best one. Then to make the best solution work you will have to make 400x the effort you think it will take.
It is purely poetic how Vegeta, the one who works the hardest in achieving greater strength, gives up after years of training not caring about anything anymore. Yet, it is when he gives up all he has invested in himself that he achieves Super Saiyan.
Watching this as an adult just hits more cause I sometimes you just have to let things go and get your mind off from it. Then suddenly you achieve set goal cause your mind wasn’t so clouded or distracted, stopping you to win. As kids we were Goku. Growing up, you become more like Vegeta.
Some people have to be pushed by external factors to reach their full potential. Goku was too nice and his external factor was losing a friend. For Vegeta he literally got mad at himself.
I don't understand why super can't be written with this intensity. The fights and animation are great but the passion and energy in the characters have dropped significantly.
Big facts man when I first seen this as a kid this scene was so emotional to me because you really see the pain he went through to turn to a super saiyan
This can be a metaphor for whatever in life. You try to achieve something for years and by letting it go you actually achieve it. I sometimes come back to this video to feel with Vegeta.
This is what I love about the original ssj transformations, they required each sayian to grow some part of themselves. For goku it was his peaceful nature, sure he'd been pissed before but in my favorite rendition of the scene his eyes flash green and he says "I *will* make you suffer!" A darker, more calculated outlook he continued to utilize through the rest of Z when the situation was dire. For vegeta it was his pride, this was the first time he ever set it aside and it paved the way for him to have one of my favorite arcs capping off with his sacrifice, and later speech to goku in the buu saga. For trunks it was losing his mentor, brother figure and possibly only friend, and taking up a mantle that he was absolutely not ready for, but had to because there was no one else who could, and he succeeded. For gohan it was a trial by fire to become a physically and emotionally self sufficient person ... about 9 years too early. The transformation used to be a character growth, not just a power boost, or worse still a "tingle" Also yes, I am aware of how this video is.
And Vegeta said the one thing in the video that he never said before: he didn't care about beating Goku, becoming a Super or even bothering to move on. His rage alone is what made him a Super Saiyan. From what I heard, Super Saiyan is a form based off of rage and rage alone.
RIP Akira Toriyama I wish I could say thank you for creating Vegeta. scenes like this gradually made me realize no matter what demons you're facing, you must learn to face them and use them as motivation to become better.
I loves how Vegeta describes the storm as: *“An outward manifestation of the storm - raging inside me!”* DBZ WAS SO GREAT MAN And the way he yells out, *“Ka- Koraaat!”*
The way that vegita tells this story makes it seem like hes making it all up. Like he probably went super saiyan by accident on the toilet but thought that was too embarrassing.
"I decided to continue my training in the solitude of space, where I would be unhindered by the distractions of the Earth." Like raising a child. Vegeta, father of the year.
I don't think anyone can endure 500 Times gravity,I mean if Goku went to train at 500 times gravity he would struggle at first cause his body isn't adapted to such gravity,ofc that is if he wasn't training more than 100G as how he did in Namek Saga
“The power comes from a need, not a desire”. “I didn’t care anymore, I didn’t care about being a Super Saiyan, I didn’t care if I LIVED”. And that was the need. Vegeta needed to transform into a Super Saiyan because he needed a reason to live.
Goku's need was his friends dying, and needing to protect his son, needing enough power to protect frieza Gohan's need was the need for power to protect those who he couldn't protect before Trunks' need was the need for power to avenge Gohan and protect himself from the androids Vegeta's need was the need to have a reason to live and to have enough power to not die
I decided to rewatch this scene because of DBS: Broly. I noticed how much more impactful his descent into Super Saiyan was than most transformations in the series and started to think about why. I came to realize that the core of Super Saiyan wasn't just rage. What makes Super Saiyan meaningful is grief. At the end of the Namek saga, in History of Trunks, Broly, and even the alternate scenario from DBZ Budoukai all have something more to it than just rage. Broly helped make this especially clear thanks to the Wrathful form. Rage is simply a by-product of Super Saiyan. The trigger behind each of these transformations was grief. Goku transformed due to the permanent loss of Krillin, Trunks lost his mentor, Broly believed he killed his father, and Vegeta grieves Nappa because he sees that Nappa could never go on after Goku brutalized him. But then I thought of this scene and wanted to go back and analyze it in that context. What is Vegeta grieving in this flashback? His entire world. Not his literal entire world, but his entire worldview, his value as a person. Vegeta has been taught that his value lies in his breeding and therefore his strength since he was a child. He was a prodigy among prodigies, and that made him better than everyone else. He's a true Saiyan warrior, the pinnacle of his people, and he should always be proud. Then, Planet Vegeta is destroyed and Vegeta experiences something new. In the Freeza Force, Vegeta is tied for ninth place with fucking Cui. Freeza, Zarbon, and Dodoria treat him like a joke, and Vegeta can't even argue back lest they put him in his place. Vegeta spent 17 years and the better part of his childhood in this environment. He went from being the best to being nothing. So, Vegeta doubled down. He started scheming to beat Freeza and secure his place at the top. Then comes this kid, Raditz's weaker little brother, and he beats Vegeta strength-to-strength somehow. To Vegeta, it confirms everything Freeza ever said about him, and Vegeta can't accept that. So he goes even harder. He'll go right into an active warzone even without his tail just for a chance to get the Dragon Balls and give himself the edge he needs to beat Freeza. Of course, things don't go to plan, and even after all of his RNG manipulation, Vegeta is still powerless against Freeza. In the same spot he's been in all his life, Vegeta cries for the first time in his life, because he's so close yet still so far. Then, Goku becomes a Super Saiyan and seemingly kills Freeza. After that, Trunks shows up, turns Super Saiyan, and actually kills Freeza. Now Vegeta's being outclassed by some kid, too. So, he pushes himself, he keeps going because he can't accept that he doesn't have what it takes. He can't accept that Freeza was right about him. He works himself to the bone, putting himself through a level of training that at this point is basically just torture and isolates himself from positive influences like Bulma. When the meteor shower comes, he's half-broken, trying desperately to hold on, clinging to his lifeline in the ship. But he doesn't have what it takes. His desperation is what shot him in the foot, and that sends Vegeta spiraling. He's on the recieving end of what the Saiyan upper class has put the Saiyan peasantry through for years. Goku just has something he doesn't. Vegeta's at his wall. And he breaks. He stops trying to surpass Kakarot, he admits that he's not who he thought he was, that Freeza's taunts were true. He accepts death because his life the way he's lived it is over. He will never be the best. But that grief sets off something in Vegeta, the true source of his strength. Back in the Namek saga, Freeza laughed that Vegeta could never be a Super Saiyan, he's a pathetic conniving blueblood who thinks he deserves the universe, which held him back from being a Super Saiyan. This moment is Vegeta's first step into moving on from that, and the power that was waiting for this moment breaks out. Vegeta is able to become a Super Saiyan because he lets go. Of course, the rush of power causes him to regress, but it's Vegeta's first step to overcoming his Saiyan pride. It's a perfect part of his character arc, and it's probably the best anime-original content in Dragon Ball.
I hate to be that guy who mentions the thing everyone already knows, but that's why the tingly back explaination is so bad. Saiyans have so much potential for good character arcs so it's really sad to see them ruining all of these new cool Saiyan characters. Imagine how cool it could be if instead of Cabba just getting a death threat from Vegeta, his Super Saiyan trigger would be Frost who would betray them and maybe even kill someone that is close to him like that old man who sent him to recruit Caulifla, they would need to show a good amount of scenes with that old man so the watchers would understand their bond, but it would be so much better than what we got.
Honestly, I think the best way they should have described the power of a super saiyan is the feeling and force of tremendous power that hits you. The whole tingle thing is just plain stupid.
@@MrOuran369 the reason I hate the back tangle situation is because the Super Saiyan transformation is a lot like the Sharingan in which in able to awaken it and push it further, strong emotions need to be felt most likely grief,hatred, or Rage. So for these two nobody girls to just pull it off with no difficulty really and no training made me angry.
@@kameronmiller2226 I didn't care much about the tingle in the back, I used to be pretty okay with it. But now that you said it, yeah. Fuck the tingle. I think the U6 saiyans were more evolved and grew with more S cells like Gohan, Goten, and Trunks have. But the super saiyan form was supposed to be the gateway to all other forms, it's supposed to be hard to achieve, but when you achieve it, it goes into refinement until you get all the other forms.
*In Vegeta's voice* One night I was extremely hungry, the hunger was maddening!!!!! I then walked downstairs, it took everything I had and more, and then I saw the sandwich in the refrigerator, I welcomed it, it was was like the perfect manifestation of my burning hunger! I then ate the sandwich as if my very survival depended on it and it was delicious. Yes....That is how it happened. Now tell me does a machine like you ever experience hunger?
Goku had to experience the loss of someone precious to him. Vegeta hadn't cared about anyone else but himself at the time. I think what he lost was himself. In that moment, he lost his sense of purpose; he was done trying to even matter. Watching as a kid, I didn't get scenes like this at all, but as an adult, I really want to get into these characters' heads and figure out what drives them. It makes these stories much more emotional.
This is one of the best scenes of the arc. Vegeta's own rage at himself is what propelled him forward, further contrasting him with Goku's righteous fury over Krillin dying.
I literally cried when he said "I didn't care anymore... I didn't care about being better than Kakarot, I didn't care about being a super sayan, I didn't care if I LIVED, I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING!!!... BWAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!" Most emotionally inspiring anime moment in history!
No he just worked so hard that he was mentally like what else do I need to do to become a super Saiyan? Then he got angry at the fact he did everything to the point he was on a dangerous planet smashing huge asteroids that could’ve killed him and it was all for nothing, that was when he let go and he’s like wtf why isn’t anything working and then it happened
“I decided to continue my training in the solitude of space, where I would be unhindered by the distractions of the Earth”. So basically he’s saying he was starting to spend more time hooking up with Bulma than actually training.
Goku is pure. Majority of people are not pure. Everyone has little of wrong mindset, anger, arrogance, ego, jealousy. That's why vegeta represent majority.
Gohan: i thought you must have a pure heart in order to become a super saiyan like my dad. Vegeta: oh trust me there is more than just one way to become a super saiyan. Vegeta: i wanna be a super saiyan i wanna i wanna i wanna i wanna.
Out of all saiyans who went super, Vegeta's was the most unique one. the only person he lost during the transformation is himself while others had to watch their friends die. and it was the most dramatic as well I get goosebumps whenever I watch this scene.
King 425 goten and trunks? No, not one bit. It was all that nonsense from super that ruined the meaning of a super saiyan First super saiyan god Then super saiyan god super saiyan Then super saiyan god super saiyan rose Then super saiyan rage Then super saiyan berserk Then super saiyan god super saiyan évolution Then ultra instinct Then mastered ultra instinct. They put so many hair dye changes with stupidly HUGE power scales, with each new colour being astronomically stronger than the previous, that the original super saiyan stopped being a big deal. Now it's EXPECTED for saiyans to break that. In the past, it was a miracle. That's what you call beating a dead horse
@@omnimonafroamerikaner7245 I’m just saying when they were kids..remember Trunks turning super saiyan in the training chamber with Vegeta?? And Goten training with Gohan and transforming?? I get your point but I’m saying those 2 shattered the mold of becoming the legendary super saiyan…Goku and Vegeta made it awsome..Trunks and Goten made it light work
@@Syte425 because trunks and goten were conceive after their father become super sayian That's why it was difficult for gohan goku vegeta And easy for trunks and goten
@@mcbdllc136 Humans are more connected with their emotions and aren’t as stoic or emotionally stunted as Saiyans. The hybrids have Saiyan power with human emotions to unlock their true power way easier.
I’m kind of annoyed of how we went from this story of how Vegeta became a super saiyan then to how caulifla describes the tingly feeling in her back then instantly becomes a super saiyan
They could have just have the time limit for preparing for the tournament be longer then have them train with chompa and vados since chompa would surely want to have his own Saiyans to out do his brother which would perfectly explain it since training with Gods would make it a more believable jump in power
like goten and trunks? They literally went super saiyan 3 fused by watching goku do it once LOL. U6 saiyans were over trained for super saiyan 1. Please stop.
Over trained for ssj1? We only saw them train once and they go ssj before they really started training, and I don't like gotenks either, I thought that was stupid as well, but being able to go ssj2 because of a tingly feeling in their back is just stupid, I don't get why they didn't have them at least earn it through anger or something like how Cabba did, just feels lazy
Akira toriyama really did change the world he inspired so many great authors and influenced anime and manga he’s basically the Stan Lee of Japan without him we wouldn’t have all these amazing series as Naruto or one piece akira started it all he was a legendary story teller my fav works from him are not only dragon ball but also he’s other works like the manga dr slump the dragon quest games and two chrono games dragon quest is a very popular series same as chrono trigger and chrono cross without akira toriyama I doubt those series would be as popular and would be very different he had a very unique style of drawing he’s characters and it was like he made them come to life made the audience feel really connected to he’s characters he will be missed but he’s creation he’s works will live on forever in the form of media games and collections rest in peace the goat the legend Akira Toriyama 😭
Vegeta works harder and trains by himself. While Goku always had guidance, there shouldve been a time where Vegeta caught up to goku in strength. Tired of seeing my favorite character get cheated.
It's implied that solo training just isn't as efficient as what goku did and also it seems your motivations strongly affect how well you train if you're a saiyan. Vegeta wanted to become stronger just for the power itself, goku trained to become stronger to protect his loved ones and his planet.
Marcus Smith Vegeta Talks about that in on the kai planet. The video is called "Vegeta's respect for Goku" or something like that. He says he thought Goku was stronger because he wanted to protect his friends, but then Vegeta had his own family to protect and still didn't get any stronger.
Nathan Rauscher Maybe it's goku's pure heart, idk, it seems there's a degree of spirituality to it when it comes to ki. Strong discipline and effort doesn't account for everything.
Nevermind the fighting or power levels, Vegeta's inner struggle and self reflection was easily the best part of Dragon Ball Z, as well as Gohan's desire not to let down his friends. Unfortunately, no one in Dragon Ball Super is really struggling to reach any sort of personal goal. Maybe if Ultra Instinct was mentioned at the start of the series, and classified as a state almost impossible to achieve, the show would have been more interesting.
Imagine working hard for years, almost give up on living, and finally you achieved super sayian....but then some kids came alone and become super sayian after feeling something in their back
Like half of the tournament of power competitors act like they've never worked out or fought a day in their life but they're still stronger than Namek/Android saga characters
@@jonseon5952 Well we never saw them train, if any from the other universes was the main character and saw goku, vegeta we would also wonder how they became strong "Form the strongest fighters in your universes in this tournament" the show literally says this
@@jonseon5952 Universe 7 had the second lowest power level in the whole multiverse. The androids were the most powerful beings in universe 7 because everyone in the universe were weak at the time
Going super sayain means you where able to change your self meaning u have character development dragon ball super fucked that up now its just oh your over 10000 power level u can go super sayain or here plot armor u need it back then u had to learn life lessons to go super sayain. goku fighting with anger to defeat true evil (freeza) which goku has never done before thats why he told gohan to leave before he lose himself bc he never fought with anger and vegeta being ok with being second place to someone who he thought he was supposed to be better than bc he his the prince he never believed someone could be stronger than him until that day which made him go super sayain by saying its ok to be second place just try to be the best u can be just like goku. And gohan going super sayain was to show that hes not a little kids anymore and gohan going super sayain 2 was to prove when to use your powers its ok to use anger and hate towards your enemies if that protecting your friends and family. Trunks showing that u need to believe in yourself when your all alone gohan was his last friend the last one he could believe in and look up to now hes gone and its him its time to be a man and train harder. Then super sayain kinda lost its meaning after that
@@sonicooler9468 I do believe that it's a good idea to have super saiyan have a base power level limit because that's a lot of energy surging into your body and if you are too weak you probably shouldn't be biologically capable of doing it. That said the lack of emotion and modern triggers just giving me enough rage to go super Saiyan
Vegeta is THE quintessential anti-hero. The proof is right here in this scene. Vegeta shows to whoop the enemy's ass and all of the heros are shaking and worried LOL I love DBZ man
Vegeta and Trunks had the best transformations. Vegeta was fighting for his life against nature, and he won. He pushed himself to near death in his training, and has earned every bit of power.
Vegeta’s motivation to surpass his rival is so relatable in real life. A lot of us have that instinct to want to be better than someone. Even if Vegeta stayed a true villain instead of turning anti hero many fans would want to see him succeed because we all have a little bit of the saiyan prince in all of us.
Speak for yourself anyone who wants to be better than a next person is working from their ego and insecurity just like vegeta and people wonder why they aren't happy or satisfied.... The only person your supposed to compete with IS YOURSELF to be better than you was yesterday and not caring about where anyone else. Focus on your lane in the race and the funny/sad thing is people who try to compete with others don't even realise it's a one way competition as that other person your so fixated on doesn't even view you in the same way.... Either because they are a high calibre person who competes with themselves OR they are looking at people they perceive to be at a higher level than them which they don't class you as.. Don't watch anybody and just work on yourself if you want to be truly happy and successful
@@kingkyle.0.0.7You don’t know what’s possible until you see someone do it. Some people can’t find it in themselves and use someone they look up to or someone that’s successful as a reference or a crutch to push beyond what they currently are. The point of training or conditioning at all is to be better than what you are then. Even if that means trying to beat someone, doesn’t mean it stays that way. Call it what you want, insecure, weak minded, it really isn’t a bad mindset. It just means you’ll never stop wanting to be better. Vegeta tells his own son while training with him after he assumes he’s surpassed goku to not let anyone be stronger than him and to use that motivation to help beat the androids at HIS home. You could stay in your lane and work on your own, but when the time comes you can be unprepared because what others have in store that you DIDN’T know about. That’s why sports and COMPETITIVE NATURE is a thing. To push and become better than others because ultimately you become better than yourself the day before. It would be different if one saw someone better than them and just WISHING and WHINING about being better. THATS insecurity, not what you described before. If you’re willing to work to not only get to where someone is but PAST that, you’re solid. Happiness comes from progress, and anyone comparing themselves to someone else or not is capable of looking back and seeing the difference they made. Whatever you have to do, do it. And while you’re doing it, don’t forget where you started.
@@thesilvershining he seems to be the type that wants to be alone. I did read the creator said Vegeta had a one night stand with bulma because was feeling vulnerable and depressed over not being at Goku’s level. Bulma found him in that state and I think she mistook it to be loneness since she too was depressed being alone with no one and they found comfort with each other for one night But I don’t believe one night, I don’t see bulma stopping at one lol
@@whitedragoness23 My headcanon is that Bulma truly fell for him 100% by the time that night happened, which is why Future Bulma still seems sad that Vegeta didn’t love her in return. So yeah, she wanted more than a one night stand but Vegeta was angry that it happened, mostly angry at himself for letting himself be vulnerable (aka weak) with her and purposefully pushed her away afterwards so she wouldn’t approach him again. And then pushed her and his unborn child even further away once ge became a super saiyan. He convinced himself that was all he wanted/needed and Bulma was just a one-time mistake. Despite all this you can see she still cares for him and asks more than once if Vegeta is alright and worries about him during the android and cell sagas. If it weren’t for Trunks coming back to the past and actively trying to get Vegeta to open his heart again I doubt he and Bulma would have ended up a couple. BUT the fact of the matter is this man so rarely lets himself be emotionally vulnerable, so for her to succeed in getting him to let his guard down at all really is a huge deal. To me it shows that he developed trust and admiration for her and subconsciously desired her company whether he would admit it or not. Even if he pushed her away afterwards, it still happened, and he can’t deny that. He just had to come to terms with the fact he was already changing and his old warrior lifestyle of violence and isolation would never truly fulfill him again.
@@thesilvershining I think bulma DID have very strong feelings for vegeta but after she had a child she felt like she had a special link with him because of their child. Not only that but they had a night together so an intimate moment would definitely make bulma prefer vegeta over yamcha because he went that far with her. I don’t dispute the fact he would of seen it as a weakness. And he Viewed family life with her as a weakness. And Yes bulma did show concern but I think she knew vegeta wasn’t the type to come running back to her so she was ok if he did or didn’t ( she’s a strong woman who can handle saiyan blood as vegeta once said). I think future bulma did wonder what if vegeta had lived and if he did what could of been and she got excited after she heard from trunks how positive vegeta took to him so she didn’t want to miss that one chance that she never had. Yes i do think she did love him after having his child. But was strong enough to keep going and live her life. I too thought future trunks had a impact on vegeta and really pushed him to change and he kinda did. In another interview the creator stated after vegeta legitimately fell in love with bulma after getting together with her he started a strong relationship with trunks because bulma pushes him to spend time with his son. Vegeta likes strong women so he doesn’t fight her on this. It’s been indicated in outside sources but I can’t find a legit from the author that bulma has a active *ahem* adult $ex life. Plus she keeps her self young, she keeps looking good. and unlike chi chi she works on her marriage and keeps vegeta rope in the relationship. In the English translation supposedly toriyama said bulma is the dominant one in the relationship and in control. Here’s a bonus: in the manga there’s a scene where vegeta returns with future trunks and bulm runs and hugs vegeta and he pushes her away in embrassement. He then sees her crying as she loved him and worried about him that he manages to pat her on the head (wtf?!) to show her affection back
@@thesilvershining I thought about after I rely and I think I misunderstood what you meant. So yes I have to agree she fell in love with vegeta during the one night stand. I say one night because that’s what the manga said.it’s difficult to pin point when it happened for bulma due to her being so focused with baby trunks.
You're simply not that person, you bum When a peasant (Goku) has better abilities than if you were, especially if you are a person of royalty (Vegeta) of course it would get in your head that the slave is better than you
