He probably doesn't know about what frieza did to his father or saiyan homeworld so that may be a genuine question to see if he could take over or kill King Vegeta to be able to take revenge against him for killing the tuffles
@@suna9555I think a smart species like the Tuffles would care to do a little research on their enemy. Tuffle was specifically here for the Saiyans. Just saying, idk.
For those who are still confused. The Tuffles were a race of brilliant scientists that shared Planet Tuffle (what Planet Vegeta was once called) with the Saiyans who lived in caves in the mountains. But when the full moon finally came, the Saiyans intentionally wiped out the Tuffles and took over the planet, utilizing Tuffle technology to expand and start taking over planets. Interesting how GT managed to connect more to the lore than Super did.
@@omgitzthunderlol4598They gave Super Saiyan “4” the wrong name and now it’s stuck. It sounds like it is the next stage to SSJ3, which it is not. The form is cool tho
@@hope14359The reason Super is reusing many ideas from GT was cause most of the ideas and designs from GT were actually from Toriyama himself... He put work into it.... but he didn't write the story, just created the characters and ideas.....
@@lacroraw That's true on paper, but I personally view GT as canon & Super as non-canon. DBS mainly exists for the kids today who wasn't alive during the peak of the franchise (DBZ & Dragonball).. The art style & violence has been toned down alot to fit the current climate of softness.. There's obviously still money to be made, so it makes sense to keep milking it with toys, shirts, games, movies, etc..
@@heelspawn8023 I'm somewhat okay with your point of view. But for me, DBS (and by that, i mean the manga) deserve being canon. Ok, the anime became more kid friendly than what we could have in DBZ, but with the Granola and Moro event being true vibes of dragonball coming soon in anime i hope they'll bring back the dbz artstyle and (not necessarily) the violence you and i liked in our childhood. GT isn't canon and will probably never be, because Akira somehow prefered SSJ God to SSJ4 and Beerus to Li Shenron because of what it could offer to the futur of the storyline ( and he was right ). Nowadays, with the event of Broly movie, Gogeta became canon and this maybe ( because it's personnal ) was the greatest addition to dragonball official storyline of theses past 6 years. Maybe we could see SSJ4 become a thing soon ? Not to mention there will probably be a new Power Tournament soon with some hint hidden in the manga
@heelspawn8023 Well, one had Kishimoto's Involvement (Super) and the other didn't (GT), with GT just being there to milk more money out of the series since it was over. It's an absolute trainwreck, filled with retcons and the way it treats the characters who aren't Goku is disgusting and lazy. The only good things out of GT were some of the designs, like SSJ4 and Super 17, but for the most part it's garbage. One of its arcs are even entirely ripped off from the Oolong Arc from Dragon Ball.
Tuffles were the race that the Saiyans wiped out and took their planet after they destroyed theirs. They possessed absolutely NO threat, only reason Baby was a problem was because he took over Vegeta's body
I like the explanation that GT and Super are different timelines and we never got an ACTUAL Z continuation…. That way both are non canon and the fandoms have to look for other things to trash talk about each other
@@WeroVarela619 Oh really? Super isn't cannon?? To be honest that makes me happy, gt is so childish for me ( it has epic moments) , I love gt so much more
@@CameronThomasMedia ohh okay....I'm not hating, I understand why people like super but for me personally I don't think it suits cause for it's like Goku is more immature than he was in z and don't really have a story, and those 2 things were great in gt special in the end , for me gt feels more like a continuation and super more like a standalone show but it is what it is😂
you surprised? original saiyanins destroyed good potential ally with them by letting king vegeta capture their planet and kill all their people so reckless xd and he cant be convin ed cuz hes some gmo shit not original tuffle
@@Trilliman707vegeta in super is stll obsessed with goku like a sad little boy seeking attention. Vegeta in GT is mature and integrated with earth. He's a better character in GT and it ties in with how he developed during the buu saga.
You can hear a bit of concern and respect from Vegeta for Gohan. I wish we got to see more of Vegeta working with Gohan. Sure Vegeta has his pride and issue with Goku, but the Saiyan's are almost extinct so you'd think another part of Vegeta's Saiyan pride would let him teach Gohan about his heritage
All of GT was good except the first arc where they were collecting the black star balls. Ledgic was a good character and then honestly GT picked up at the start of the Rildo arc
@@WicaugenPan & Uub could’ve been developed better. I personally did not mind Goku as a child because it made the cartoon ish moments funnier, then if he was still an adult like Super. Overrall great story, with a beautiful ending.
@@lyndonflynn-roach9457 They hated it because it technically wasn't cannon and goku was literally the only one actually doing something everyone else was just a bystander needing to be saved. The only other z fighter that mattered was vegeta but that was in the end when omega shenron was around. Even then it was still goku who actually finished him off.
Not gonna lie, this was the first unofficial rematch of Gohan versus Vegeta. I didn’t know I needed this in my life until I seen it for the very first time several years ago. This fight is epic the dialogue is just as great. “The training I present is Gohan, his body should be sufficient enough.”Bars!!! Not to mention I absolutely love Vegeta‘s outfit!!!
"C'MON KAKAROT FIND A WAY. I ENTRUSTED EVERYTHING TO YOU MY PRIDE MY PROMISE EVERYTHING. I WONT TOLERATE FAILURE, TRESPASS INTO THE DOMAIN OF THE GODS AND USE THAT MIGHT TO CONQUER JIREN, DO IT KAKAROOOT." Nigga was sleeping during super or something.
Tf? Super Vegeta has 200 fantastic speeches but is always better to go where the wind blow to look to other no ones insted to make your own idea and watch the show What a sheep
The Baby arc is one of my favorite Dragon Ball arcs honestly. Despite not being canon, it presents Baby as a very plausible and interesting threat in the world of Dragon Ball. Not to mention, the big part of what made him such a powerful opponent for Goku was not only his strength, but also his control. Baby at his peak had all of earth under his command outside of 3 other people. That’s impressive for such a short time being there. He didn’t need goons since he took care of everyone by himself. Such a good character and character design too, that final form goes hard.
Vegeta would know through out all the countless battles they had at each other side. Especially when Gohan surpassed him, Goku, and every other Z fighter to become the legendary SS2!
I think Planet Vegeta use to be Planet Plant. The U7 Saiyans conquered it after their home Planet, Planet Sadala, was destroyed in the awakening of the Super Saiyan God Yamoshi. So the Saiyans basicaly preformed Genocide on the Tuffles to near complete Extinction so the Sauyans could get a new Home Planet.
Well, to explain this in short In the DBS: broly movie bardock said that the sayans had moved to a planet named Sadala, wich the tuffles lived. The sayans concuered planet Sadala and then renamed it to planet vegeta
@@GOC7153 I researched a little and I saw is that saiyans almost erased the tuffles as you said, and now baby wants to remake his kind by controlling everyone's mind on earth
The tuffles used to life on planet Vegeta right before they were wiped out by the saiyans and king Vegeta himself. So that’s why baby is out for revenge.
Bro the idea behind this is arc is sooo cool man. I really don't get most of the GT hate. Maybe some things were kinda weird like the begining but besides that the writing of the arcs were great.
especially the characters man, everyone matured and grew up, even goku who was literally turned back into a kid. Vegeta is more earthling like, carrying on his migration from a rough life to a more comfortable one post his sacrifice and realising what he actually loves in his life. Bro even let go of the feud with goku and is pretty much buddy buddy with him, yet still trains himself as hard as possible.
@@animekingdom4918 Baby saga was miles better than the buu saga, only problem is Baby saga could have lasted longer, Nouva eis and Omega was DBZ level stuff and SS4 is Peak performance. however a big problem is how short the villain invasion was, instead of like 5 eps, that shoulf have lasted more like 50 eps, you have Cooler, Raditz etc coming back, thats atleast 50 eps worth of content.
In the subbed version Goku notes baby vegeta>>>Vegeta, and then he casually smacks ssj3 Goku. So no Baby Vegeta isn't weaker, for whatever reason baby Vegeta specifically works better than any other host like Gohan/Goten. Not really sure why, my only guesses would be he got used to saiyan power or his extreme hate for Vegeta and his father specifically powered him up massively once in Vegetas body
my best guess that his best host is the host he really wants or actually invests in, he can commit to basic hosts for control but he can make a specific host more powerful by infusing with it on a bigger scale than normal, like his transformation from normal Vegeta to when he fights Goku @@TREE713
@@Arandomeditor2009no he's only weak as he gets used to his body, we see this the more he fights goku, he gains more control of his strength, and if he survived leaving vegetas body, he would have his cells and his power as well, people forget baby was basically cell+ as he could grow stronger with each host he had resided in
He is more anti-Saiyan and has Frieza Race Supremacy. He has anti- *mOnKeY phobia* . Baby as a Tsufurijīn is so hateful towards Vegeta, even when Vegeta does not even have his own tail. But Frieza is even more of a weirdo and racist to the Saiyan..😭
I do hope some elements from GT are adapted either into Super or another series because some of the stuff in GT that I've seen look really interesting.
The tuffle's were a race of tech specilasts worked for Frieza making power scouters but they were closer to humans but its possible their original forms were parasitic like baby is
Toriyama didn't have a whole lot to do with gt aside from design of ssj4 and some small story aspects. Mostly it was unrelated to him. But it should be appreciated for what it was either way, it did what it could for that time
Being an encyclopedia on saiyans and neighboring races, it's fitting and hilarious Vegeta would know about this non-canon plot. I love GT. It exists in MY headcanon.
Tuffles or whatever are an idea that needs to weed its way into the main canon or something. An enemy that only Vegeta would have deep knowledge and understanding of yadda yadda Vegeta centric arc.
