honestly kazuha and venti are both some of the most fun and satisfying characters to use lmao anemo impact is real *also i wanna emphasize that kazuha can also do REALLY well against elemental shields like abyss lectors/heralds, if i didnt make that clear in the video. & side note: venti's burst can refund 15 energy which is nice in some teams with high energy bursts (ex. freeze), while kazuha can run a fav sword as a good option for giving your team energy.
HEY Zy I got the elegy from hutao weapon banner as i lost the homa Should i get venti as he will displace and buff or Just wait for kazuha but i just got the iron sting for Him?
"Kazuha is suspected to get a rerun in the near future" mr socks how do you know that? how did you come across such information?🤨 i don't recall mihoyo announcing such information.
same! i already had kazuha but still pulled for venti so i can put them on each team for the abyss. also bcos i wanted venti ever since i started playing genshin.
I'm gonna do the same but the other way around. I have venti, but I'm definitely planning on pulling for kazuha whenever his rerun comes. anemo just too op for abyss
Having a 5 star anemo support really is a game changer for your account. I had a hard time 9 starring this abyss on my main acc because I have no 5 star anemo support(sucrose is under leveled and I have no cryo character built). But on my alt acc I 9 starred it first try with raiden national and Ayaka Venti.
For me because I never really used my Anemo characters as supports I normally play the abyss without them, except if I really really need sucrose for grouping and in that scenario, my sucrose is rocking a DPS build lol
there are some 4 stars that can out dps 5 stars .. sucrose can def do that, xangling too. bennett is pretty much 5 star if you never touch his c6.. keep .him.at.c5, dont be like me... KEEP HIM AT C5!!!
@@Honed- i C6'd my Bennett 2 days ago to buff my Hutao. not beneficial to my Eula but she is a burst bot anyway. Paired with Raiden my eula doesn't need to do much normal attack dmg
You forgot to mention how good Venti is with Ayaka because of the energy refund from his ult. Pair that with Amenoma and another cryo unit and you literally need 0 energy recharge on Ayaka so you can build her with as much dmg as possible (saying this because Ayaya's rerun is the next banner)
Either a cryo battery or amenoma is enough. I run her with sacrificial chongyun and Venti and I don't even have his second passive unlocked yet. And still I can cast her burst off cooldown.
yeah thats a fair point -- although kazuha's elemental damage buff is extremely powerful for freeze/ayaka teams so honestly both can be great options in their own way
@@haosru That's because people isn't having fun for playing the game anymore, they find more entertaiment making wars, comparations, and shitting each others, and imposing their arrogant way of think, we can see this with childe and ayato. It never was about fun or meta, it's all about who is right and who's not, there're few people who is really balance about this.
Quick side note: ventis Energie refund also can be really valuable. I'm playing Morgana (with ganyu) and without Venti, but with sucrose instead I constantly find myself not having ganyus ult up on time, even though I have 146 er
Venti can actually pull large enemies, but slowly though, when the enemies are frozen or petrified (via Zhongli burst). So running him with my Morganya (Ayaka Morgana instead of Ganyu) worked wonders for me even for Ruin Guards/Graders and the big Geovishaps.
@@blitzvii322 Even in Inazuma before the nerf to enemy weight Venti can still suck enemies when they're frozen. Easier to abuse if Ganyu is on the team cause of her huge burst AOE. Ganyu + Ayaka + Venti makes the new Ruin enemies a joke.
@@monokomomo4977 no not in elements itto is better than zhongli lol but zhongli has strongest shield so not as elements but in their role they r best they r not strong in their element
I have both and they both carried my ass in spiral abyss. Anemo impact is indeed real. I love their lore, fashion style, and most of all their playstyle. I can never take them out of my team.
@@IDKbruh420 For my personal experience, I use them both in the same party in the overworld and it was a glorious experience since I could easily defeat the mobs. In the abyss, they're okay as well in the same team but I'd personally rather separate them so I could conveniently use cc in both teams.
Venti is the only character in the game that I would call truly broken (when he works). If his ult can fully CC an enemy, they're basically Thanos Snapped out of existence.
I'm so glad I pulled Venti on his first rerun as part of my archon collecting mission. I didn't pull for Kazuha back then because I have all anemo unit beside him and I'm not really sure if I need him at that time. Now I definitely pulling, he'll be an amazing addition to my second abyss team (Venti is permanently reserved for my freeze Ganyu)
For anyone who's uncertain and on the edge on what they should do here's my backstory. I hope i can help someone; I got Venti. I was in the middle of pre-farming for Kazuha. I had to buy Crystals to get him (50€) but i'll explain why. So i was guaranteed after i got the Shogun in her last Banner since Diluc showed up shortly after her, which was lucky for me. Then i wanted to skip everything until Kazuha and save, but i said f*ck it. He's still far away, leaks suggest 2.8. But now i only had like 20 pulls for Venti and all of my Character's always come very late around 70 Pity... I bought the 50€ pack and that hurt me. I normally only get Welkin and BP. Luckily i still had the x2 bonus since i never buy Genesis Crystals. He came at wish 70 something. I don't regret it one bit tho. Venti is a lot of fun in Domains and the Overworld. He's truly game changing, at least for me. Also, i finally got my first Sucrose and even her C1! I wanted her all this time. I'm AR56 and i can finally play around with Anemo Reactions and Swirling Elements around and I'm having so much fun. This is only a glimpse of what Kazuha is going to be and I'm getting way more excited for him now. I don't even have that great of a VV Artifact Set for both of them. In fact barely anything. But i own 2 Elegy Bows, i refined it. I got them both in the last Hutao rerun because Staff of Homa came very late after loosing 2x Pity's which was really heartbreaking. Looking back at it now that miserable Weapon Banner was actually working in my favor...🤘 Characters like Venti are just always nice to have and future proof in some way or form whether it be in Domains or the Overworld. Sumeru is close too and who knows how that'll be. He could become very relevant again and people might regret not going for him now. In fact he's still is relevant, it just depends on what you do. I'm often farming Talent Books or stuff like that so he's perfect for me. He excels in certain content and every Character is that way. Kazuha has his ups and downs too. That Venti works in certain Abyss Rotations is just a bonus. I don't get Characters because of Abyss, but that's just me. With that being said, i don't regret using a bit of my Money & my guaranteed for him. Of course some People can't just spend 50 bucks, and they shouldn't, even if they do and they're not guaranteed they might just get a Qiqi or something. But i suggest anyone to get Venti either way if they can and if they don't have him. Also, collecting all Archons... :)
@@d3m3nt3d_t3acup_ I was running Morgana with sucrose as a replacement for venti but I SERIOUSLY underestimated how much of a difference venti makes. I use Kokomi and Rosaria with ganyu and venti and my abyss times got sooooo much faster.
Big difference too is that Kazuha reruns seems much more slower since it seems that all Archons will have more frequent reruns given their importance in the story.
Two of my favorite pulls, Kazuha actually ended up being my overal favorite character in the whole game. I even lucked out on his C1, pairing that with Sac he's basically my main carry in open world where the dps more than suffices, and it actually seems good in some quickswaps, though Thundering Fury is also an option for EC. A lot of people use Xiangling, Bennett, Kazuha and then usually Venti, maybe like a Fischl (Sayu for Blizzard domain speedruns etc.), Sac + C1 makes that one of my favorite comps as someone who loves having Kazuha on-field a lot, also very fun in messy overvape-swirl teams, but doesn't work well when it eats valuable field-time and/or eats important reactions.
Pulling Venti (after skipping his 1st and rerun banner) made my spiral abyss run so much smoother and easier. I don't have Kazuha but I may go for him on the rerun anyways.
Venti has been my fave character since 1.0, yet I would tell new players, or players without him or Kazuha, that Kazuha is universal, therefore a better choice. Venti is still powerful, and does a lot of damage. But he depends too much on his burst working properly - grouping enemies.
Very good point on Sucrose' existence bringing down the 'necessity' of Kazuha. Not too many people mention that. I'm gonna pull for him cos I got his weapon during Eula re-run. But.. Let's see how I feel by the time he gets here.
My hot take: people overrate Kazuha so much to the point they forgot about Sucrose' existence. Kazuha is obviously better and 100% worth your primos but Sucrose can still get the job done. Its like saying "You need Ganyu/Ayaka to clear 12-3-2" while forgetting the fact that Rosaria, Kaeya & Chongyun exists
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 exactly... people make him way too necessary than he actually is... yes he's an amazing unit and you can pull for him if you like him but he isn't a must pull for me, besides this game will likely last for about 7 years so who's to say that a character better than kazuha won't come out in that time just pull for him if you like his character, playstyle or his utility... don't pull just because he's meta
@@DhrithionVocals agree. I ended up skip Kazuha in his next rerun later and pulled Venti because I main ranged character, both in exploration and abyss. I choose someone who brings comfort in team rotation rather than meta but clunky to use in team rotation
I personally don't see myself wishing for kazuha since I built sucrose (yes I got her low ar and built her) she's awesome and it works, in the other hand I want to wish for venti, since the trial it makes me really wanna wish for him, I hope I win 50-50.
I’ve had Venti since his first rerun but I’m also gonna pull for Kazuha. I’d imagine Kazuha would generally fit into more teams and more abyss setups, but Venti can be such a beast when the situation favors him. Can’t wait to have Venti and Kazuha for each half of abyss (I don’t like using Sucrose, and other anemo units aren’t really for CC).
I recently got venti and now my Morgana team is finally complete. I will also save for Kazuha and will definitely pull for him to support my Xiao. I believe he is gonna get a rerun in 2.8 I guess so there's more time to save. Anyway thanks for this guide man I always love your content.
Kazuha can't support Xiao though, because Kazuha doesn't buff anemo or Geo or physical damage bonus because he can't swirl these. You are better of getting Albedo for Xiao and Zhongli if you already haven't yet.
I just rolled Venti and I've had Kazuha since day 1 and my account is so comfortable with these two. I usually have Kazuha on my vaporize teams and Venti on freeze teams
Venti and Kazuha are 2 5 stars that I've had since day 1. I love both of them so much and have been in almost every single abyss run for either side. I have c1 on both so I LOVE them a lot lol. Both are super useful and with Venti working when he does, he trivializes most content
Zy0x comin in hard with the Kazuha claims. Been waiting for someone big to bring the community down a peg on the "Kazu is must pull" hype. He's definitely still a great character to have, but the only real must pull in the game rn is the Pyro Archon Bennett. Mr. Zy0x Definitely my Strimmer
Just pull both 🤷 In all seriousness though, I remember when Kazuha banner came up and my only limited 5 stars were Venti and Zhongli, and everyone told me I didn't need Kazuha. But I caught myself thinking: I often wished I had 2 Ventis, so if Kazuha is like him, I want him. Best decision I ever made in this game, because today Kazuha is one of the characters I like the most, and he works much better with some of the other characters I like to play. Having the flexibility of using one in each chamber made my Genshin experience way more enjoyable.
I pulled for Venti just yesterday, I was supposed to be saving for Yelan but the abyss chamber 11 - floor 1 was giving me a headache so I caved in. I can say that I don't regret it one bit and happy to have him in such a long time.
If you are: A type of player who likes to have fun, is kind of lazy or doesn't like moving around the area but also wants buffs, go for venti. A type of player who likes Bigg pp damage; doesn't care about grouping enemies, while also feeling like an anime character, then go for kazuha. Both are fun to play and have their own disadvantages. Have fun deciding guys.
Just wanted to post on your most recent video just to say your videos are always the best and leave me feeling what I really need to know. You never have crazy long intros and get into it while doing such a great job. Thanks dude ✨
because sucrose is slightly different from kazuha... for an on field anemo driver in reaction teams... like taser and sukokomon... venti and kazuha can't cut it... in this area sucrose is the best..
@@thewackykid the only Sucrose powercreep is a 5 star anemo catalyst. Anemo NA's are just so good since swirl is too OP. C6 Kazuha is acceptable but thats whale territory
I have both and I would never miss out my Venti! I enjoy him the same as Kazuha but he made my days way much easier even easier then Kazuha could ever do.
Ikr , it's stupid how a lot of these Venti VS Kazuha videos rarely ever mention Sucrose when she's highly meta . She has both suction and a lot of swirl capabilities with constellations which are of course easily to get as she's a 4*. And she can pull and interrupt things without lifting them up the ground like venti.
For efficient domain farming, 90% of the time you'd prefer to have Venti who can just group everything and slay within like 20 seconds. Saves a lot of time in the long run. But yeah eventually I think having both on your account will be a lot better than just either one. I've been playing since the start of genshin so I have both, and they're regulars in my abyss teams. Also it's generally the case that if boss enemies are present on one side of the abyss, the other will have mobs. So kazuha goes on the boss side and Venti mops up the other. Both very valuable IMO
I got venti on like 30th pull and even tho I was hoping of losing 50/50 to save guaranteed tor kazuha I'm happy I got venty. Even underleveled he was really useful in spiral abyss But I do hope getting kazuha on rerun, I was one of the rare people that didn't hate on him and wanted him from before he came out but I lost 50/50 on his banner 😔
As a player who have both kazuha and venti, my recommendation is to get both of them. But if you are a f2p and you can only get one then Kazuha is much better.
AR56 and Sucrose-less so I'm currently crying in lack of CC 😣 Contemplating spending my guarantee on Venti and just trying to get really lucky and get both him and Kazuha later 🤣 Thanks for the video!
Kazuha is always mentioned nowadays in most optimal team comp when new pyro/cryo/hydro/electro DPS units come out, that says ALOT. Though at the end of the day they are used differently and are still better than units that Zy0x never bothered to cover in all his guides.
Absolute facts.... take away bennet and kaz and let's see how well the overrated chars do.... so many chars you'll find seldom in a comp (albedo rosaria yanfei thoma ning starters etc etc) sad thing about meta is it takes away all the spotlight from other chars which are good as well
@@foreverconfusedandkindacute honestly IMO Thoma is underrated, people forgot that he has the 2nd best shield only after Zhongli. Sadly Bennett is just too good that takes his spotlight. I havent really tested it yet but i'm sure a Yoimiya + Thoma + Yunjin team might do as good as Yoi + Zhongli + Bennett team. But ofc a non-NA unit might still prefer Bennett
I think they're both worthwhile, however I think it's highly likely that the upcoming Dendro archon winds up providing alot of the same functionality that Kazuha currently does.
Venti was my first 5* on my fist 10 pull back in 1.0, I really didn't gave him the value he deserved back then because I wanted to make a team full of waifus but as soon as I took him out of my team I could FEEL the lack of his presence, he's just that useful in exploration and killing packs of enemies. Never underestimate Venti. Also kinda stupid they didn't made small enemies in inazuma groupable, especially the specters, the most annoying enemies on inazuma IMO. But then it feels they suddenly remembered Venti and made the small enemy fungi in the chasm easily groupable with his Ultimate lol
I always wanted Kazuha and Venti. They seem so fun to play around with them, when there were leaks for Kazuha in 2.6 i started saving up for him since zhongli. But Venti tempted me and I pulled, I don't regret it, I love his playstyle. He is so fun to play around and I know i'm going to have even more fun when I get Canadian aether in my rooster
Originally I wanted Kazuha and Venti as backup plan, but Mr. bard came sooner and I tried to get him. Then lost 50/50, spent all remaining primos and finally...EHE. And he is good!
I lost the 50/50 on Ayato’s banner and as I was watching this video I decided to pull on Venti. I was only 17 wishes past my last 5* and I managed to pull Venti. 😵💫 thanks i guess
want a broken team comp...? venti, kazu, bennett, and xangling... thats fun. also can replace venti with childe or an hydro applyer... i have venti, so as soon as kazuha's rerun happens im pulling, even tho.. i really really wanna save for the fire archon, i know thats like 3 years away. BUT i wanna get her to c6 with her r5 wep. or i mean get Venessa from the genshin comics if she ever dose come out as a playable unit in the game. people say she's dead, but she ascended to godhood so I doubt it. **hell she could be the fire arcon, who knows**
Have both of them, love both of them and cannot choose between them. Both are amazing. I see Venti as more of a support character and Kazuha as a Sub-Dps and that is how I have built them.
That is so appreciated Zy0x. I've been debating with myself if I should pull for Kazuha considering I already have Venti. Kazuha is being praised as a must pull by so many people it's hard to keep a clear head on the matter. So Thank you :)
@@freddiem6805 Yeah sure. But even as a Dolphin I can't pull for everyone hahaha! I already want Yelan and Yoimiya. Getting Kazuha too would be pure luck at this point.
I already have kazuha but I still pulled for venti and have no regrets. ANEMO SUPREMACY I'm going to get Xiao on his second rerun to complete my anemo boys collection
i appreciate your vid because you had the confidence to chose between the 2, unlike rest of genshin "VS" videos with "it depends on your...." for a final thought.
I never find a huge problem with venti's inability to pull huge units because it can be fixed with running around a bit and a taunt ability like Mona or Ganyu
as an original venti owner, C6 sucrose owner, and C6 Kazuha owner, I can say they are all fun and do their own thing with many comps. C6 Kazuha does indeed do everything better than the others at C6 though because of his raw utility and versatility that his incredible cons provide though example: a kazoo con provides 200 EM on top of the large elemental dmg bonus making sucrose obsolete example: a kazuha con (C6) gives him permanent anemo infusion with INSANE dmg and pricing swirl every second off of ICD example: kazuha has the best cc in the game in his regular ability, while venti has to commit a burst. no to mention kazoo has a great many builds and cons to have virtually infinite consecutive E’s as well
Tldr Venti in multi target scenarios and kazuha in single target target scenarios. That's at least my opinion, although kazuha also deals a lot of DMG against multiple enemies.
The whole "Sucrose has the same potential as Kazuha" thing is the reason why so many people skip Kazuha on his first banner. A lot of Genshin content creator are to blame for this, back then every RU-vidr you watch will say "you can skip Kazuha if you have Venti or Sucrose." Don't fall for this again.
The thing is, sucrose is AS strong as kazuha, the difference is their teams, sucrose is top tier in situation a,bc, kazuha is best in e,d and f, they are also very good in the other situations, just not the best So they are wrong in saying you can skip kazuha, but it's right in how sucrose have as much potential, back then everyone was stupid and thought stacking DPSs was the way to go
What people has been wrong was to doompost a character too much on his release and bullied the people who pulled for Kazuha at that time. You can pull for whoever you want but bullying others for it is not the way to go. As a Kazuha main I like it when people are debating about their strength and I totally agree with Sucrose being underrated, but hope people don’t overreact to the point of bullying like that every again.
if youre running ayaka freeze and wondering if u need venti or kazuha, if your ER is enough without venti, then get kazuha. but if your damage is enough without kazuha, get venti
Venti makes domains so easy for me, I tested my freeze team with Mona kaeya rosaria and venti on a lvl 90 vv domain, while all my characters except venti were lvl 40, with venti being lvl 60, clearing it pretty easily as long as you know how to dodge whenever his cc is not active lol, and dodging in this game is pretty easy anyway although the timing sometimes feels weird because it doesn't really when you dodge right at the moment of impact, unlike other games I've played, you kinda have to dodge before in my experience.
5:19 Exactly! I don't like how most people just keep talking about characters value in Abyss, when that is content you only do twice a month, while doing weapon domains, talent domains and artifact domains are content you do basically every day, and a large portion of them are filled with small mobs Venti can easily group and makes way more convenient (especially older weapon mat domains with 3-4 waves of small spread out mobs)
So for anyone still hesitating, both are incredibly good characters and it’s really up to what you consider fun or useful. Overall, just pull for whoever you think fits your liking the most. This video is mostly the pros and cons so listen to them and decide for yourselves. Don’t let someone dictate what you should choose. P.S. maybe don’t take debates too far as to call a certain character trash as both are incredibly good units and whether they’re trash or not is up to the person who’s playing themselves
I was a bit conflicted for a while because I wanted both Kazuha and Venti, but I pulled for Venti anyway on my main account since he got his rerun first and he was one of my most wanted characters despite the hate he's been getting. Thankfully I got him on the 50/50, so I might not have to worry about losing out on my chance to get Kazuha when he gets his first rerun! So far Venti's been a great addition to my account. Before I got him, I found it extremely hard to even clear the first chamber of floor 11. This time I managed to clear the entirety of floor 11! Hopefully one day I can clear the entirety of floor 12 as well...
im literally on 60 pity and i was determined to save it for ayaka BUT I REALLY WANT VENTIIIII i've been wanting him since his first rerun and now is the only archon missing. i also know im going to have so much fun with him. but my account is in DIRE need of cryo dps. and i know how cracked ayaka is. im so torn gah
I once chased a girl, I really sacrificed a lot, she would step on my heart so many times yet I persevered. I wear her down till she said "YES". I thought it was the happiest day in my life. Until I got Raiden Shogun, Engulfing Lightning, Jean C1, and Venti all in just 24 pulls. I'm gonna spend my sweet time building Raiden and Venti cuz I've been wanting 'em since their last respective banners.
TLDR: When venti works, he’s absolutely broken. Kazuha will work more of the time even if he never hits as high into that stratosphere as venti can when conditions are optimal.
both! both is the answer. we cant select between ayaka is freeze god but copium at melt while ganyu is below ayaka in freeze but can be a sub dps for ayaka, support , cant melt 100k and sooo versatile. Similarly hutau xiangling both r gods at what they do, 1 on field single target with a nuke and another is off field AOE PYRO DMG . child and xinque do the same job (xiangling slave ) with diff approach. so kazu is just 5* sukros he more fun, has more dmg/elemetal buff and less rng grouping than sukros so i say get both venti and kazu and skip itto yoi ayato yelen eula maybe xiao and shogun also. rational and international is the same comp, 1 is aoe multi target mid to light weight mob killer. Another is some aoe with xiangling, mostly single target with ei and xq , mid weight to boss killer comp.
Kazuha is a much better pick in my opinion, his playstyle is much more meta with his swirls and dmg boosts, venti's burst is better in some scenarios however kazuha is a jack of all trades, cant wait for his rerun
Oh and also, Venti is the PREMIUM anemo support for insane perma freeze teams with Ayaya and Cocogoat- And since I'm mostly a bow user main with characters focusing on charged shots like Ganyu and Lyney, Venti is pretty useful in such teams, its easier to group enemies and even if we don't, the anemo swirl is at a distance unlike Kazoo, which makes it easier to charge shot enemies I also have Kazoo, although i use him mostly with Diluc or an all support team
I want to pull for kazuha because he's so cool lol, and I know I'll regret it if I don't pull for him. My teams are pretty strong and I don't care too much about abyss, so it's mostly all about the characters I like
As someone who had them for a long time (kazuha since 1.6 and venti in 1.4) I can say that both have their strengths and weaknesses. The previous floors 11-12 made me bench venti for awhile since Kazuha was enough. But with floors 9-10 venti has always been on my team since most of the enemies there were many. All I can say is that if u have the primos to spare, if u like venti, if you need a new anemo unit and only explore the open world, go with venti. We dont really know when kazuha will come so just think of venti as an investment besides its fun having anemo supports on both teams of the abyss lol
