@@Acesahn Because Warrior Priests only use hammers in lore. Fatshark had to argue and compromise with GW to even let the Warrior Priest use Flail and Shield.
@@Mutterschwein That's depressing... because he has no range and all of his weapons being hammers are similar and all do the same thing, stagger and crowd control (minus the gimmicky tome and hammer) his actual combat is severely limited.
I do believe the holy great hammer should be on s tier as well. It lacks attack speed but its damage and stagger power just too good. Heavy->heavy->light for horde and light->light->heavy for elites.
When looking at this list, everyone should remember that Warrior Priest has 2 melee weapons, so you will always have a 2nd weapon to compliment and compensate your first pick. That's why none of them are really D tier and why certain options end up being S tier. If you pair up Dual Hammers (horde clear, stagger) with Tome/Hammer or Great Hammer (elite killing) then it elevates both.
Great hammer also has fantastic push wave clear with the heavy heavy push, while also having light light heavy to instantly delete elites and specials.
First off thanks for adding in gameplay, makes watching a lot more entertaining. I pretty much agree entirely with this list, the flail and shield is extremely good, I had it paired with the great hammer and did pretty well with both. Right now I’m playing around with the dual hammer and the tome and find that to be pretty great as well. An interesting class to say the least, not to big on melee only classes especially with pubs (I have gotten paired with growl knight and slayer more times then I would like to admit) but overall think it’s money well spent.
Honestly with the amount of SoTT and Waystalker Javelin spammers having 2 melee only classes in the party isn't too bad. It feels pointless to even bother competing with them so melee only is pretty relaxing.
I like to think of Hammer and Tome as a purely backup weapon. Bring something else for hordes, and it will carry you for Elite killing. Easily 2 shots Stormvermin on Cata with light->charged heavy.
One Weaves, with the >800 power the greathammer gets when leveled up, you can consistently oneshot man-sized enemies with the punch. Very satisfying stuff
A lot of good comments here. I think people misunderstand what “S” tier is. The dual hammers and flail and shield are there because they have no weak points, that’s what S is. The GH, H&T and H are viable but have weaknesses. As Wet says none of the weapons are bad, and at the end of day, you should use what you feel comfortable with.
Isn't being unable to do one thing particularly well a weakness though? The dual hammers are good at a lot... but their speed and DPS is still well below most other classes DPS weapons. And the boss killing potential... not there.
@ Acesahn Good point and thanks for the reply. You are perhaps right but I would argue that boss killing is a specialised skill and should not be counted as part of “everyday” use that Wet’s list covers. Furthermore, while assisting with boss killing is sometimes necessary, WP’s main remit is to Support the team by clearing hordes/elites and helping or protecting. You could be right though and it’s hard to rank these weapons! At the end of the day, it’s one man’s list.
@@Owen-fn8ff I played WP a lot and I'm really bored with him lol, hence my dislike of all of his weapons. I really REALLY want them to let him use ranged weapons cuz it'd give him variety. No other class is hamstrung to fight a certain way as this one.
@@Izigurand Then... give him a "Brace of Hammers" lol. Problem solved. It could be a brace of pistol, crossbow hybrid having travel time and an arc but maybe a larger 'magazine' to compensate.
I've actually been running the Flail & Shield + Paired Skull Splitters since he came out and it's so much fun :D I use the F&S defensively / horde control then once my Fury bar is max, I switch weapons and go SMITE SMITE SMITE! FOR SIGMAR!
Pretty similar here, except i use dual hammers for farming temp hp and hordes and the flail for mixed enemies (especially shields and armor in hordes) and defensive moments like monsters and specials
Been trying out all of them since I just got him today. The 2h hammer plus flail and shield combo works wonders imo. When using the hammer, use the heavy, heavy, light combo as your main/only attack. THE most lethal melee weapon I’ve seen so far. Then if I’m messing up, getting messed up, low health, or need to turn into Gandalf and pull a YOU SHALL NOT PASS at a chokepoint and deny ANYTHING access to whatever I’m guarding then the flail/shield combo is the way to go. Also if you’re mobile or the enemies are light but spread around doing some run and gun light attacks works great. The diagonal repetition light attacks is great for cutting a path of enemies but the heavy horizontal cleaves through literally everything but monsters. Armor, shields, bodies, stacks of bodies, the flail does not care, it will be moved out of your way in a quick and gory manner or it’ll die trying. But thanks to the shield blocking when you’re spinning(charging) the heavy death from the front is quite unlikely. Also it’s a shield, so yeah, no more running in fear from gunners and flamers. The flail though in the heavy format is satisfying but repetitive so I opt to use my hammer for majority of combat and pull out my flail for niche situations. So unless my teammates are getting hauled off by hook rats or being eaten by the flesh tentacle monster thing there’s no situation that I’m not prepared for. Overall 10/10 satisfaction.
I do love the great hammer and the hammer and tome but i just feel they have such weird attack patterns that are still taking me time to get used to. Am I the only one?
I use hammer and tome for elites/specials/monsters only, becouse of additional mobility, and combo is pretty easy. Light -> heavy(you don't need to fully load spell, but you can if you have enough time) and again. Very fast armor penetrating combo. For hordes swich to dual hammers or flail/shield.
I can see it for the great hammer. I missed an ungodly amount of L2s or fricked up the timing of L3s. But the tomes light string is more or less just downward strikes with a minimal angle. That's why I love Tome + Flail so much. Tome for those guaranteed headshots on elites and flail for massive horizontal swipes on heavy chains
I mean my friend on Legend basically just suggested I use the flail heavies for pretty much everything. While making sure to aim for headshots. Which lead me to think to use the Hammer&Tome for movement tech. Huge benefit when I learned the Tome can store it's charge when you block or double switch weapons. So just go to town with spamming flail heavy attacks. And as soon as you need some mobility or burst damage. Tome+Mouse1Hold+Mouse1Release for an instant burst of speed and damage. Or if you got an elite on front of you and a little warm-up. LightTome1, then instant HeavyTome2. Which on Legend just nukes the guys with the big hatchets and black hood. Other than that it's just a dash. Or for longer mobility, just dash, count 1 2, then charge and dash, and count 1 2.
My only beef with the great hammer is i find it’s first 2 lights to be a little bit lacking in their range with the 2nd attack being particularly susceptible to this which makes the weapon feel a little more awkward than it should. For the hammer and tome I think a really great tweak they could do is allow it’s standard light attacks to slowly build up its charge so you could follow up every 5th or 6th light attack with the explosion without needing to sit there in the middle of a fight holding your hammer in the air for several second after you’ve used up your precharged swing. Not that it’s needed I just think it would be a really fun change that would make accessing its charged explosion a little smoother than it currently is. List is spot on btw having a ton of fun with these four weapons the hardest part is trying to decide which two I’m going to have to go without as they’re all a ton of fun.
I've tested these weapons alot in Cata 3 Deathwish A LOT like I mean A LOOOTTT already, enemies got a lot of cleave and stagger resistance. I found that the Holy Great hammer cleaves through like...probably 1 more enemy than the Flail and Shield, of course it depends on the type of enemies. I usually sapwned like 30 chaos marauders to test their capability to deal with big hordes. I found that the Flail and Shield despite dealing a tad bit less dmg and cleave than the HGH, obviously, is still better at surviving big hordes than HGH simply bc of the ability to block while heavy attack and the shield, plus its "push attack+light+light" combo, able to stunlock huge hordes with ease (unless there's some cheeky hit out of nowhere). HGH can get the job done but it can be really rough with the slow attack speed and low block resistance. I've tested with Chaos Warriors, Maulers, stormvermins (halberd and shield), HGH kills them faster of course but if there are a lot of them, especially stormvermins with shields in the mix, it can get tough.
@@zephels well this is Cata 3 and deathwish i'm talkin about haha, I'm sure they do cleave very well in normal Cata, I'd know cuz I've played that too ofc, I can tell that the flail stops midway through around 3-4 enemies (Chaos marauders/fanatics). I even lined 5 of them up neatly to test the cleave and it does seem like they do stop the flail AND HGH heavy attack from going through all the way. It seems that the shield bash and AoE attacks have "infinite cleave"
@@WetMagic might be the case for normal Cata, but I was testing in Cata 3 and deathwish and oh boy they got hella cleave and stagger resistance. Pushing, attacks with AoE like shield punching with shield weapons and the hammer/tome charged slam, Flame sword fire heavy attack probably do have "infinite cleave" tho
Great list as always. I've experienced and tested the weapons to see how they combo together and so far i can say for sure my best combo would be dual hammers with great hammer. Duel hammers helps u bully hordes with insane temp gen and increase the heavy attack dmg with ur fast lights while the great hammer gives the final blows.
With the hammer and tome, holding the special button charges its attacks without having to wait in animation and in down time. With that, you can immediately delete and elite with a light into the hammer down move. It also makes the move tech faster
I see you are doing alot of heavy block cancel with the tome. In case you didnt know, special attack can be used to charge the tome without the slowdown or having to cancel
Totally agree with your listing except for HGH. Seems like a weapon that requires a higher skill ceiling than average, but rewards that with results worthy of S tier. I also want to say that Tome and Skullsplitter has S tier potential, but too early to tell
I think Flail and Shield might just be one of the best weapons in the game. It definitely lacks in Elite killing, but that's what your Hammer+Tome is for. Flail and Shield with Parry is without a doubt the safest weapon in the game, and one of the best for horde clearing, as well. I really enjoy just casually walking up to a shield patrol and killing them all by myself with it.
Personally: I like to run: Main: either Great Hammer, Twin Hammer or the flail And second: always hammer and book but sometimes twin hammer. Overall a powerful character and have had plenty fun with him
As some mentioned before Holy Great Hammer should be S - Tier quickly learned to love that weapon for great horde juggling potential and the good elite killing potential. I fully agree with flail and shield cause it makes up for the biggest downside of the HGH if all of the weapons which are they are mostly kind of poor dealing with shields while flail just ignores them. What more could one wish for
What I really like about the tome and hammer is that it adds a (spammable) dash to an otherwise immobile class, has good burst damage with its charged attacks (You can kill a hookrat on legend with just your charged 2nd heavy), plus blowing up dense hordes is just really satisfying :)
By the way, you can just hold special to store a charge for the Skull Splitter and Tome. I think the stored charge also builds faster than when you charge a heavy because you don’t have the initial start-up animation
Would you be up to doing a list of weapons for each class based on dps they can do (spamming lights / best dps combo)? Basically what weapon should any class bring for boss killing. While for everything else we have Armory, damage output is imho the hardest attribute to assess for a weapon.
hm I m wondering what the best weapon combos in terms of attack sequence vs hordes/elites/armored for "Rising Judgement" would be. Maybe there is some gem hidden : )
I agree that dual hammers and f+s are S tier. HOWEVER - both weapons MUST be paired with some anti-armor/heavy armor weapon since they dont deal well with CWs, at all. Therefore 2h Hammer should be S tier as well, becasue like exe sword for GK, it completes build that uses anti-horde/mixed-horde weapon (Mace/Sword on GK) so it can deal with bosses and CWs. My build is S+F and Great Holy Hammer. 8/10 I just use Flail heavy spam and when I need to take down CWs or deal with boss I switch to GHH.
My personal favourite combo of use is flail+shield and hammer and tome. Best combination ever. Cause as a tank you should have a shield to defend yourself and with the flail your attacks are just great. also good use to fill up that bar actually. HGH is great but just slow in my option. It also doesn't defend me to gunners and range attacks. hammer+shield have great mobility and damage to monsters and elites, also works great against stranglers with the charged heavy 1
I tried everything, but couldn't find that one weapon that made him an actual threath during chaos patrols.. untill I tried the skullsplitter and shield. I'm currently putting everything in stagger, including my weapon traits, but I'm not sure if I can reach the same stagger with less focus on it. Flail + shield can deal with everything while the shield + hammer deals with CW patrols or being overrun by mass elites.
Just use Greathammer & 5% incrased crit chance on sewc rov after killing elite & your patrol problems will be eliminated in the time of those 8sec that you can have from your ult. also when active you will have time to stac this crit to max even if it is CHW patrol + if you have any potion or bomb[not the fire bomb as it is mostly CC utility to kill trash or split armored or to free allly from monster grab] used before it will be even easier.
Another nice thing about the paired skullsplitters is that zealots gets to use them too and if they're good on warrior priest then they're downright amazing on zealot. All that extra damage and attack speed makes you bonk ratmen and northmen at atomic speeds
So far I've seen people complain a lot about his greathammer and hammer & tome, apparently for them the greathammer is needlessly complicated to use and the tome is useless as it charges too slow to do anything. Me, I can solo legend patrolls with these two weapons...
I've been running blessed hands, unstoppable force, enhanced power, divine excoriation, prayer of vengeance and united in prayer. I pair it with the shield and flail for reliable wave clear and tanking as well as the solo hammer for heavy killing because the overhead is incredibly reliable and does a fair amount of damage, but more importantly... I'm just not terribly fond of the book. I know you can precharge it. I know you have to take a swing before dropping the big bop after stacking up rising judgement. To me, farming four hits, whipping it out, preforming the fifth swing and dropping the hammer is a lot of micromanagement to do when things get dangerous. Solo hammer is about five less average damage than the great hammer overhead. It's a lot more damage than the uncharged book straight up. So when it comes to something that I need to pop the bubble for, because it needs to die that isn't a boss? That's what the solo hammer is for. Wading into the thick of it and beating something down that my other teammates need space and zoning from.
I was surprised you put the *Paired Skullsplitters* so high on the list, I found their attack directions to be endlessly awkward to use, and the single target dmg to be lacking when compared to the single *Skullsplitter Hammer.* And I honestly thought the *Holy Greathammer* would have been higher, being by far the best horde killer (though _H1_ is a bit of an awkward angle) and with _L1, L2,_ and _H3_ being the easiest way out of all the weapons to get headshots (besides the glorious *Flail & Shield* ofc). It should be noted that like how the *Holy Greathammer* has a secondary punch, the *Skullsplitter and Blessed Tome's* secondary lets you charge the heavy attack abilities.
As much as I love the flail and shield... I noticed it gets kinda boring using them. You spend alot of time chaining charge attacks because... why wouldn't you? After awhile though, my brain starts to hibernate and I feel myself devolving lol
Hammer and blessed tome had me clipping through rasknitt and deathrattler so i don't use it anymore. It burned me. Now i do flail and shield for everything except lords and monsters and cw. I use the 2h reckoner for that
I agree with the entire list but there's one thing about the flail and for why it belongs in s tier, it the same push light attack that puts all hammer and shields as top tier shield weapons, it makes dealing with armour so much easier.
I mean the real reason why it's in S tier is because it cleaves indefinitely and you can charge the heavy attack much faster than the basic flail. As soon as they nerf the minimum heavy charge time then the weapon won't be nearly as good or brain dead to use.
looking at this tier list i might have been doing something wrong, i found the paired skullsplitters severely lacking dmg. only way i could reliably and quickly kill things with it was to put on the 25% extra stagger. can u tell me how do the paired skullsplitters dmg compare to the flail and shield?
The same I used them 4x[got 2 red onses in both slots for testing performance that I tryed on diffrent combinations & it still was lacking imo & I really dont care about flat numbers of that & other the main thing is how theyr perform in real fight ; the numbers are only good for buiklding specific build over them] & never more [not adding CHW random switches]. Theyr just the easiest weapon to use in his roster & thats all for it weak & only stronger that 1h wariant. Flail+shield, greathammer,hammer&tome thoe are weapons that have uses & are viable. Sad that he have only those weapons woudl be nice to see more to chose from.
I haven't played with either skullsplitters but otherwise I agree w/ your rankings. The hammer & shield was pretty meh, not my style. I'm a filthy flail zealot main so uh,,,, flail and shield easy win for me if I want a shield lol
As someone who adores the falchion and axe on the zealot, the dual hammers feel... off somehow, but I recognize they can do everything and have no real weakness.
@@Acesahn I think it's because they feel so slow. I play slayer with dual hammers quite a bit and I definitely miss that additional attack speed. Maybe it feels better on zealot, but on Warrior Priest it feels kind of unsatisfying against hordes.
The Paired Skull-Splitters really earned that spot, it's got everything a growing boy needs for a THP build. Rapid attack speed? check. Broad horizontal sweeping light attacks? check. Wonky and useless light attack angles? Leave that in the dumpster with Kerillian's hatchet! NOPE!! The one thing they can't do is armor pierce like the Holy Great Hammer can--which--Detour! What the fuck!?! Armor Pierce on a hammer!?--but anyways--there's an easy work around for armor pierce on Paired Skull-Splitters: Get used to how the light attacks feel, and you're golden, melee headshots are cake to land with these things. Stormvermin and Flag Bearers aren't a problem anymore. I will mention however that the evil refrigerators and Bestigors are a bit of a slight issue, but it's nothing an overhead heavy attack from the paired skull splitters can't fix, just do a quick animation reset and crack on!
Flail and shield is so good that I have to look for an excuse to use my other weapon. Normally 2nd weapon has been holy great hammer. I’ll try pairing with dual hammer today. F&S really does it all though. A&F would go great with it if it were an option.
I use hammer and tome, but mostly for its mobility, and otherwise just for bosses. It's charge when swap canceled has one of the highest move speed increases for any weapon attack cycle in the game, and great for catching up to the team. But if you don't need that, F&S and dual hammer is the way to go.
It upsets me that we can't at least have the single skullsplitter hammer on his Hunter classes. I never want to use it on WP or Zealot, but I could be persuaded for the 2 others if it was an option
Tome and hammer would be better if the heavies were swapped. As it stands, it loses on CC because of the time it takes to charge. Also, flail and shield my beloved (even if it does take up 87% of the screen when charging)
It's how many times you can dodge before your character gets winded; When you've gone over your dodge count, you can't do that quick side-step/slide move for a couple seconds Hope this helps :)
The hammer and tome is NOT A tier. It has a hidden modifier of sorts, in that it wastes your time trying to set up visually impressive... but damage wise unimpressive charged heavy attacks. It's not great for any one thing in particular, its just unique.
@@armonkaviani7808 Exactly, it's not his role. If somone wants monster damage then I suggest they go for Bounty Hunter or Grail Knight. He's a support class for a reason, not all classes have to nuke bosses in a second. You have to focus on crowd controlling adds while protecting your teammates.
Feel like there's a notable diffrence between a weapon having horrible boss damage, acceptable boss damage, and just deleting bosses. A weapon doesn't have to 2 shot a boss to be considered alright at boss damage after all, but if it takes you half an hour to solo a ratogre, that's no good either. I'd probably suggest the hammer and tome as your best option for boss damage. Not because it does any amazing amount, but simply because it's easy to consistently hit headshots with overheads, and if you end up getting launched, you can take the time to charge up a heavy 2 for a nice bonus. It also has 10% crit chance bonus on all light attacks, so if you build crit on it, you can get some decent damage by spamming the swift lights on their heads
The hammer and tome should 100% be in S tier. Its horde and mass elite damage with the explosions is insane. It's his highest DPS weapon and it's what allows him to be on par with other careers in terms of damage while keeping his tankiness. I barely use the other weapon slot because of how good the hammer and tome is
The one-handed hammer is kinda a beast at times. To me a tier list for the weapons doesn't make much sense because they're all more than viable. My favorite though happens to be the GH and the Hamer&Tome
