You think you can do one of these match ups? Quinlan Vos vs. Darth Maul, Starkiller clone (or Galen Marek) vs. Darth Krayt, or Starkiller clone (or Galen Marek) vs Anakin Skywalker
Antoine Bandele thanks for sending me the link. I can't believe I couldn't find it earlier. The match up was really cool. I also really like the theme music in the beginning and end credits. Do you think you could send me a link to that music?
@@gustavserrander9268 Sora got disrespected. He went toe to toe with 2 of the greatest duelist of all time in Windu and Dooku and was said to be equal to them, losing out due to force powers. Cao has no feats except death
Rob Da 5 8 no feats? He literally was the first to fight a sith in centuries, then as he told his padawan to retreat, he continued to fight both of the sith head on, ended up killing one of them, but lost to the apprentice after his stamina ran out, and really can you blame him for losing against DARTH FRICKING MALGUS?
Kao Cen Darach versus Vindican and Malgus in SWTOR intro is one of my favorite lightsaber fights. It was too bad that Vindican and Kao died in it, they seemed like very interesting characters.
@@KumaoftheForest A fresh Kao Cen Darach vs "Return" era Malgus is definitely a win for the Zabrak Battlemaster. Any other version of Malgus however . . .
After watching this video I was reminded of Mace Windu, and another innovative Jedi in Star Wars Lore; albeit a philosophical innovator rather than a martial one: Kyle Katarn. A duel between WIndu and Katarn would be an interesting match-up, because with all their powers, skills, experience, tactics, personalities, philosophies, convictions, mentalities, and abilities leave no clear winner. The Aggressive Mavericks: Mace WIndu vs. Kyle Katarn.
I know its an old comment, but I would definitely love to see that too. Both mace and kyle are sort of the black sheep of the jedi with one in terms of lightsaber combat the other with the use of the force. I really hope jensaarai1 or the others see this suggestion too.
@@raicattivo Just like how Windu would have trouble against a blademaster like Dooku, Katarn would give Windu a hard time because he'll never be able to get going & he would have to get creative if he wants a real chance. I think shatterpoint could give him an edge though. I'd still wager that Katarns versatility would be enough to win the day. Maybe katarn wins 6/10 times.
Something I love about your breakdowns is that you always emphasize that Bulq is a capable tactician and organizer outside of personal combat, but once he enters a fight he’s a bloodthirsty berserker.
***** Post 22:17-I think you're right on with this wish. I think the bad rap that the form has received due to the Jedi that fell at Geonosis was not to illustrate the weakness of the form, but to illustrate the weakness of the Jedi just before Palpatine set the perfect Jedi-trap that was the Clone Wars. The fact that so many Jedi fell reflected what Yoda finally realized in the ROTS novelization; the Jedi had spent too much time prepping themselves to fight the last war and not the next one. He felt the Sith would return in the same manner and the Jedi had become complacent waiting for that return. Had the Jedi heeded the warning that was Maul's appearance 10 years previous at Naboo, there would have been more battle-ready masters but sadly, they chose to take the incorrect mindset of "wait and see". I think Niman can lend itself to weakness if it's just used as a "hobby" technique by Consulars who are more interested in the study of the Force. However, I think the expanded universe has gone a very long way to rehab the image of the form since it's debut in 2002 with dueling powerhouses like Exar Kun, Palpatine and Darach utilizing it to great effect. Personally, any sword-being worth their salt should have built a regular Niman practice into their lightsaber sequence just based on the fact that it did lend itself to giving options in a fight, but it would also teach a being how to chain force-attacks into their sequence, let alone how to use duel blades. The fact that it can train a duelist into thinking of unconventional counters is completely invaluable into reaching the higher levels of saber mastery in this universe. To me, any being who picks up a lightsaber and neglects the study of Niman into their practice is basically setting the clock to a countdown to destruction.
Touche'. I'll concede there was a bit of a rhetorical flourish in my closing there. I was on a roll and probably should have reeled myself in a bit. But you hit the nail on the head when it comes to something that i've always referred to as a beings' "home form" or "backbone" form. I had a kung fu instructor once impress upon me this maxim when learning a fighting form: "Don't be like your favorite teacher. Be like all of them." What he meant by that was, even there are elements in your teachers/fellow students sequences that you don't like, you can still learn it as a cautionary tale or still finding a way of incorporating something that works into your own sequence. Mixing and matching all of your influences to create a standard form for yourself while maintaining a foundation in one form that you can fall back to in a pinch. In my opinion, if I lived in that universe I'd opt for a home form of Soresu paired with Vaapad with a little bit of Niman thrown in for good measure would make a being incredibly difficult to defeat. Especially if they're chaining-in Force Attacks into their Lightsaber sequence. I think near-mastery of Niman (since its nigh-impossible to truly master) would give a duelist a grab bag of abilities to pull when needed if Soresu/Vaapad wasn't doing the trick. As also understanding how you'd apply the different forms into your sequence based on your approach is incredibly important. For example; Makashi blade control, Ataru slashes/body as a weapon mentality, Shien blast-deflection Shii-Cho randomness, Sokan for situational awareness, Force Attacks, Duel blade work, etc. etc. And I think what it comes down to is getting people on the same page of seeing the power/equality of Niman to the other forms. I'm really curious to see how they adapt the forms for the new films. Do we know who the new fight coordinator is? Or are they going with Gillard again?
Add me to the list of people who hate the bad rap Niman gets. My Sith Lord on SWTOR is an Exar Kun-style Niman master, after all. Actually, I think Kao Cen Darach is a far better poster boy for Niman than Exar Kun. Exar Kun did use it, but his application of Force abilities still generally fell into the "blunt instrument" usage, whereas Darach personified the seamless integration of powers into lightsaber sequences that Niman is known for, in addition to his versatility and unpredictability displayed in his fight scene. If only they gave him a side comic or something, because I would have loved to see more of that guy!
I'm with you man, Niman does have a bad rap due to how difficult it is to master, but once mastered could make it's practitioner a master of everything and know how to use the options provided by the form. It's a jack of all trades form with the potential to make anyone with the dedication and will to put the effort into it a massive threat to their enemies
I think Niman is a lot like Juyo in that it should be very different because of who could be using it. The differences in Niman users like Darth Krayt, Durach, and Exar Kun are a good example of this.
I agree that Niman gets a bad rap but I think the problem is is that so many niman practitioners only use the diplomatic version the Darth plagues version becomes where all the prominent swordsmen use other forms and forget how skilled a true master of the other two versions can be because no one uses the other two versions the Darth krayt and kao cen darach versions
@@thepancakespy2355 agreed. Pretty much like Terrell said, niman is alot like juyo it can be very different depending on the user and how not just skilled they are but innovative and versatile they can be. Darth krayt and cao cen durach are definitely two characters that I think personify that well.
Extremely well done and researched. The level of depth was astounding and the information well presented. You have definitely opened my eyes to the true versatility of Niman, as it is now my favorite lightsaber form next to Soresu and Makashi.
I really hope we'll get more material regarding Cao Sen Darach in the future from the writers, he's an evident master swordsman with a powerful grasp on The Force, but what are his accolades and past accomplishments? From what little we have of his background, we see his ideas often clashed with the Jedi Council, this seems like a potential story of it's own, not to mention the minor hint of his newly awakened Clairvoyance adding to a still blossoming potential within him, while we may never see the full extend of that ability as his death would impede such progress, it *Does* posite that Cao may have a minor touch with the more esoteric mysteries of The Force itself, maybe something that could be added to a possible backstory?
Niman is a style that gets dumped on a lot. Jensaarai it is nice to see someone really credit Niman as a good and useful style. Niman is Adaptable and Flexible NOT a piece of crap that tries to do everything but gets nothing right. I to hope that Kao Cen Darach gets recognized as a Niman master. To have someone finely show what Niman can do when use by a master. P.S. Jensaarai Thank you for all your great videos. You breathed new life in to Star Wars for me.
mojosilver82 I didn't know that a lot of people thought niman was so good. If I had to choose which lightsaber froms I would use I would use Niman backed up by Soresu and Djem So
Sorry I would actually use it hybridisation of the ones I mentioned. In terms off tactics I would use Niman's adaptability and Soresu's defense to be able to adept and defend against any threat. I would use the quick parties and aggressive strikes of Djem So with the versatility and unpredictably of Niman
While I do think niman is a good style. I will admit it has flaws to. It just pisses me off that it is thought of as a bad style not worth learning. The other styles focus on one thing, or one way of doing something. And while it can make them more predicable. It also means there better at that thing then anyone else. But niman use a little bit of everything. It does not do anything better then the other styles and that is one of it's weakness. (That and dummies use the emphasis on moderation to mean they only need a moderate amount of practice to make this style work.) But you have more way to respond. And even that is as much a strength as it is a weakness. More options is not always a good thing. In a fight the other styles will quickly do what there train to do. Where a niman user will need to think about what's happening, then think about how to responded, then act. Niman practitioner's need intuition, improvisation, and creativity in combat. Rather than the rote responses the other forms rely on. Now after all that said, if I was a jedi (actually I'd probably be a sith) I would learn soresu first. Then niman. That way I'd always have a solid soresu defense to fall back on while I deiced how best to respond. And niman would be my omniweapon to respond however I need to.
Dragon XL Gaming I think form six and five are easily the best. They seem to be the more versatile. You've got everything covered. Blast deflection, strength orientated dueling covered by form 5 then you have a bit of skill in all forms with niman along with unarmed combat, fluid transition into telekinetic strikes and duel wielding covered by form six. Soreso is a bit too specialised and passive for me. I'd prefer quick counters and sending blaster bolts back at the enemy with form five to get the fight over with quickly.
The main issue with Niman is that is heavily based on the user itself. The user of him or herself needs to be able to recognize situations and adapt their lightsaber style accordingly. That is why Niman usually has a bad rep, most people just learn it for its stereotypical 'jack of all trades' trait. Whereas the true purpose of Niman is to be flexible and adapt accordingly. That is why few practitioners of Niman have found success. A lot of it is based on experience and natural talent and awareness in anticipating your opponent's moves. Think about it, Niman is usually only useful if you can read your opponent well during combat. Since Niman users have studied every form, in theory, they should know the general sequences their opponent uses. However, situations on the battlefield change, unpredictable force power integration, uncommon maneuvers, and acrobatics are performed to apply pressure and confuse your opponent. Experience in real-life combat goes a long way for Niman. At least, that's what I think. Although, you do occasionally get the outrageous prodigy who can utilize the form to its epitome like Revan and Exar Kun. Niman shouldn't be a standard form that is instructed like in the Clone Wars era Jedi. It should be like how it was in the Old Republic. Something for Jedi Masters that have mastered their desire form to the highest level already. Niman has no purpose if your base fundamentals are crap, as you need to be good enough to fight whilst staying level headed and reading your opponent. If you can't even do that, then Niman is useless.
He said in a different video (I believe it was Durach v Zallow) that he believed the fight would have resolved "very differently" had fatigue not been an issue.
No he would not be able to. Yes darach became fatigued, but you also have to remember that this was far from Malgus at his prime. Malgus was a mere apprentice at the time and improved significantly as a Sith Lord.
I’d want Kit Fisto, if you can maintain a sense of humor even while in the midst of battle, it’d put me at ease, also I’d wanna learn Shii-Cho from him: the man who PERFECTED the style like Kenobi did with Soresu
@@KumaoftheForest part of the herd on this one, but id go with Kenobi. He's my personal favorite Jedi in the series and his skills in both combat and tactics I'd really like to learn, admittedly with a hint of djem so in the mix.
Hmm I'm not sure who I would want but it would either be mace windu or kit gusto because water is all over the place and get could be an advantage. I also like k'kruhk for his resilience honestly theres a lot of good options
This was a good video, well worth the wait. Though I disagree with you on one point. Yes Darach has knowledge of all 7 forms but this is different than actually using all 7 in combat. His moves are very flamboyant and acrobatic, incorporating Force powers in them. Long story short, I agree more with your earlier assessment of Darach
"The red hue syth-crystals produced more powerful blades, but at the cost of maneuverability and stability." Has there ever been one instance outside of rpg stats that this has ever mattered or been displayed?
***** Interesting. However this seems like one of those more obscure things in the lore that I have to question. Exactly how are Sith style red blades harder to "maneuver" since from what I understand the blades are weightless. How are the they more powerful and unstable, and in what regard? Has there ever been one instance in the lore that red blades could cut something at lest more easily than normal Jedi sabers or if Sith sabers have ever once been shown to randomly malfunction due to being more unstable? Sure it would make since in role playing games were such small details would matter which was why I brought it up, but in the actual lore if they never really demonstrate this I really don't see how it is even relevant. I'm not really questioning yourself specifically on this, just concepts themselves.
Psychonis i'm not the biggest fan of starwars but from time to time i do read random wikia's when i'm bored; i don't know how they were harder to handle, (maybe because the blade plays tricks on your eyes?), but there have been instances, (exceedingly few) where in a lightsaber fight the red short circuited the opponent, but it wasn't much of an issue unless you kept the two blades continuously crossed agains the other for a long while
Psychonis Qordis states that red are significantly more powerful in "Darth Bane A Path of Destruction", i can't find an example where it actually happens though, sorry, as for the "playing tricks on the eyes" bit i mentioned, that was my theory entirely.
Pablo Rius Yeah, that' basically highlights most my issue with it. It seems like something in the lore which is just "there" and really serves no purpose and is never utilized.
I just assumed that Niman to be the form used by jedi sages by default in SWTOR. Its a non specialised style which was designed to be open to plentiful force power usage favored by diplomats/negotiators. Given the consular's story-line having a large diplomacy focus and the sages almost complete reliance on force powers it would make sense.
I never thought about Niman the way u did. 18:40 thats like mma is. Best explanation and set up out of all ur vids. I love ur show man. Thank You so much for all of this.
Awesome video! Could you check out my first Star Wars character verses? I have pitted General Grievous against General Krell, 4 light sabers against 2 double-bladed light sabers! Check it out here: General Grievous vs Pong Krell
Love the new intro. I'm really impressed. I had no idea on how far Kao's skills had gone! He must've been VERY good. And yeah, he could defeat Sora in a duel. If you're so into Niman, why not bring in more of its practitioners into your Versus Series: Darth Krayt, Johun Othone, Kas'im, and Cin Drallig.
Great analysis as always, and I'm glad that we finally got to see what a true Niman master can do. If your thinking about you're next match up, can I suggest Ki-Adi Mundi Vs. Obi Wan Kenobi.
I'm glad to see you giving some love to Kai Cen Darach. Honestly I love this character ever since the first cinematic of him ame out and I sensed there was more depth to him and your initial analysis of them I thought that you missed the diversity and the skill with which he fights but you got it in this one definitely. II honestly think in a straight up fight from the start he would have been Malgus in Bolq and I don't think it would have been that hard especially with Sora seeing as how he tends to turn off his brain the more angry he gets. I think this would have been recognised fairly early and brought to the point of exploitation even sooner by as skilled a tactician as Cen Darach. I believe that this is a character that you could write novels about his adventures before his end at Korriban and it would be very interesting.
the thing i like the most about those videos is that styles DO make fights. As a huge MMA fan I love when someone tries to deduce the winner from tactics and strategies instead of pure feats, amazing work. That being said, is there a Jedi or Sith that you find particulary the best in terms of fighting style? Someone that is almost flawless?
***** very interesting opnion. I do agree with most of it, I do believe the Rock, paper scissor mentality is the most correct,but I do believe sometimes despite all odds the rock will put a hole through paper and the scissor will cut the rock. Vader is my favorite fighter also, but I do believe the most complete and overwhelming fighter would be his son Luke Skywalker, because although he lacks the sophistication of his father, the guy is simply amazing at everything, I admire your work a lot, together with the Evannova , Greywolf and Antoinne, you guys do an amazing star wars work, I think I will ask for those 3 the same question I just did just to enjoy the answer
I'm presuming you're saying Vader is the best duelist because of capitalizing on his strength and compensating for his weaknesses like you said, but you don't honestly think he's the best duelist, right?
Well happy 20th Jensaarai1! You, Evan, and GreyJedi are are wonderful in making these hypothetical battles. Now all you guys need is hi-tech computer stuff to make animated battles like the Death Battle series sometimes does. heheh
Excellent video. Two points in particular I'd like to make: 1) First thank you so much for giving Form VI its due. I am so fed up of people disrespecting and dismissing it out of hand. 2) One thing I find interesting about Sora's "kark it! I'll just kill everyone" decision was that it happened after his own former apprentice, Mira, was killed. I'm wondering if her death may have catalyzed his fall as prior to that he was still able to pass himself off as the typical serene Jedi Master.
this was a great video, every V.S you make opens new entry's to star wars, showing me events that I never knew took place or happened, theres no book shops or comic stores in my area so a lot of the expanded universe is blank to me
something, I noticed about the Jedi battle armor: it's not so much that the armor can't withstand a full hit, it's WHERE the hit is landing on the armor. In both of the death blows given to Darach and Ven Zallow, the blows fell below the ribcage, where the lightsaber-resistant plates are NOTICABLY ABSENT.
Well done on this one. I would be interested to see some NJO characters honestly. Like maybe Corran Horn, or even Leia as a fully fledged Jedi. I know it will take a lot of time for that, but I am patient.
darkshadowssonic Niman is good but for me I don't care for it's lack of focused Blade training, if I was a Jedi I would be a Jedi Guardian and would focus greatly upon my sword play. So I would study it but my main style would be either Djem So, or Shien.
+Josh Campbell Djem So/Shien master race. But Niman is a pretty good style because it versatility and is about improvising instead of a normal combat sequence. But my style would consists of mastery of Djem So as the back bone of my style,shien for usage and training of reverse grip and blaster deflection. Then Niman to make up the weaknesses my previous styles and helps chain force abilities.
I personally would use a Juyo combo. If you pay attention to a of Jensaarai's videos, you know Juyo is only used when a person has training in all forms, and specializing in two to even six styles of combat. With that said, no style is the same with Juyo, so I'd use a Makashi/Ataru/Shien mix, becoming basically a jack of all trades.
Spectre the Espeon That would be a difficult combination to master, as Juyo, is so randomized and Makashi is so focused and precise but if it came together it would be devastating.
Read the comments, agree in a way about (all ready) seen characters but... I would like to see MORE from you three (jensaarai, evannova95 and greyjedi91). I loved those lightsaber histories, theories, forms, q&a-s and stuff like that, or you could even spice up these theoretic battles - let people choose the setting of battle: timeline, arena, sides, support, main combatants etc via facebook polling or something like that. Don't get me wrong, I smile every time I see one of your videos uploaded but yet again if it's someone all ready done I watch 1/3 of a video knowing someones stats or 2/3 knowing the stats of both duelists, which sometimes isn't that bad. All in all you have a great thing going and I just wanna see it go for the best. Hope I didn't bore you out of reading all of this :) Apreciate your work and keep them coming. Oh yeah, all most forgot, a battle between general Grievous and Empatajayos Brand crossed my mind while whatching this video, don't know if it's a good idea but anyway... peace.
Jensaarai I have noticed a definite centering of your presentations. As Yoda would say: Logically presented your recent videos have been. Gone any hints of fanboyism are. Enjoyable and educational your videos are. Very good work you have done. Stay the way you produce your videos you should. Two thumbs up you deserve and shall receive.
One thing we know now is that even at that point Malgus was one of the best swordsmen of the sith, and was even as an apprentice considered one of the most powerful sith grandmaster Satile Shen had meet, even much later when she had slain a number of strong Sith Lords, so knowing that I think it would be an even better victory for Cao.
Quinlan Vos vs. Darth Maul or Galen Marek (or Starkiller clone) vs Darth Krayt. Also I was afraid that because of kao cen darach's limited appearance would limit his chances. But I was very glad to discover that these fears were because I did not know enough about kao cen darach and also my knowledge of sora bulq was overrated. Nicely done!
I'm making my way through a playlist of all Versus Series and Character Bios from yourself, EvanNova and GreyJedi! I appreciate your time and effort! I have a suggestion: *DARTH KRAYT VS DARTH VADER* After their rivally as Jedi, and their similar fall to the dark side I think this matchup would be interesting. Have a great day!
Excellent video once again Jensaarai1 and I agree it paints Cen in a much better light then many assume, especially considering he fended off both Sith at the same time. Malgus didn't over power him until he was exhausted, a fresh Cen versus Malgus duel would be a all together different fight from the cinematic trailer's.
The armour Darach used may still be a cortosis alloy, since the plates only seem to cover the thighs, shins, lower arms and chest. You can see Malgus's final blow is aimed at the gut rather than the chest.
An interesting fight and a well elobaroted video. The only thing, a minor one, that bewilders me is the pronunciation of Vaapad. Some say it as Vay-pad, while others say Vah-pad.
Congratulations on the Twentieth/Twenty-first episode of the versus series. XD I've been a fan of these and I love that they're still alive and well. Probably not looking for suggestions, but should you ever want one, would you ever consider doing a clone wars/post OT character match up like your Asajj vs Sedriss video again? Maybe with two jedis like Jania Solo vs Ashoka Tano?
I've always liked Kao Cen Darachs lightsaber more than ANY other saber in Star Wars... If I had to make one it would be a copy of his. The hilt draws me in for some reason. I think its the large emitter shroud and general bulky shape of it. Ven Zallow also has the exact same lightsaber. I've always wondered why that was. 🤔
One reason I prefer Jensaarai is that I really enjoy his voice, but obviously not one of the main reasons, because others I've listened to sound like they're falling asleep.
Jensaarai, you said once that you were going to do 2v2 matchups sometime. Do you think any of these matchups could work? 1. Darth Bane and Darth Zannah vs Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma 2. Kao Cen Durach and Ven Zallow vs Plo Koon and Ahsoka Tano 3. Darth Vindican and Darth Malgus (from the Return trailer) vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress (I know you think they are the worst TCW characters, but it seems pretty obvious that they would lose)
Kao Cen Darach vs pre-Clone Wars Darth Maul would be an interesting match... two Zabraks with completely different fighting styles and force alignments.
Personally I think the reason the push didn't seriously injure him is because he used the force to slow his landing or resisted enough to prevent serious injuries
i didnt realise myself that Dur'ach (i think thats spelt rite) was such a versatile duelist and force user, i do like the amount of research u put into things
Hey Jensaarai you seem to know a fair about actual historical fencing references, such as the german, italian, french, english schools of swordsmanship and etc. At some point maybe you should make a video contrasting the similarities and inspirations the light-saber forms took from some of these schools. For instance I think Fechten has similarities with Juyo and Mikashi with a bit of Djem-So and Niman. And Kenjutsu has a lot in common with Djem-So, Makashi, and a bit of Soresu. Just a thought.
What made you change the order of which you did? Originally, you did lightsaber skills first, then physique, then force abilities, then equipment. Why change that around? Just wondering... Also, after what you've said about Niman, if I were a Jedi, I would practice the styles to further my options in battle.
***** BTW, if Kao Cen Darach went by against Count Dooku, what might be the most likely outcome? Dooku believed that by studying a single form, he could actually outclass a battlemaster. What do you think?
Even though Niman isn't mentioned in SWTOR I'm pretty sure the Consulars use it. Their stance is very similar to one of the Niman stances you mentioned in another one of your videos and they focus a lot on using Force powers in combat but practice very relaxed blade work.
Vos's best feat is killing Sora *while amped* Ulic matched the best duelist of his day in Exar Kun. Vos has Basic TK and weak force lightning Ulic has a extremely powerful force shield and good TK. Vos is out classed.
How about a 4 way free for all Darth Bane vs Darth Krayt vs. Darth Malgus vs. Darth Vader. 4 Strong guys that are built like tanks. Let them all beat each other down and see whose the biggest brute. Also, and I'm not trying to tell you how to make your vids, but when you give the verdict I would be very interested on how you think the battle would play out. I know you already do this but I mean maybe a little more in depth detail kind of like Evannova and Antoine Bandele does. Thanks for all the great vids.
I'm not trying to start a flame war or what not but arent the books now invalid? I know when Star Wars was transferred to Disney they classified literature in terms of the games as noncanon but my question is what of the random books?
Disney shifted EVERYTHING, aside from the Movies, their novelizations and the Clone Wars series as canon. Everything else is marked as "Legends" in the eyes of Disney. Everything going forward will go through the Story Group. The first thing that is being added to the main canon is the Son of Dathomir comic books series which was supposed to be a part of the sixth season of the Clone Wars series. After that they are releasing these books in the "main canon": www.starwars.com/news/disney-publishing-worldwide-and-random-house-announce-relaunch-of-star-wars-adult-fiction-line
So the Clone Wars Cartoon Network stuff (albiet lovely to some, ungodly to others) is canon? Just checking because if that's the case... TECHNICALLY Republic Commandos are canon because I recall "Boss" making a minor appearance. Anyways thanks for the info, didn't want to ask Reddit because well... it's fucking reddit. Hopefully the writers took notes on what the original set of authors did in terms of forging decent lore.
Atomic Rebellion You can read more about it here: starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html Or watch their video here: The Star Wars Expanded Universe: Past, Present, and Future
That's like saying the Sam Raimi Spiderman movies are "invalid" because of the newer movies. If people enjoy the books,comics etc then they're as valid as ever. Just set in a different continuity.
*why do you think form 6 gets a bad rap* Maybe because it has nothing to bank itself on like most other forms Shii Cho is simple, but can become random and unpredictable Makashi has elegance and fluidity Soresu has a near impenetrable defence Ataru has acrobatics and agresstion Djem So has brute force Juyo has unpredictable and relentless offense and is the most dangerous form Niman doesn't really specialize in anything, its a jack of all trades, a master of none form. It got the name diplomat's form, since it let students focus on other areas while only needing to practice with the saber only so often. But the form backs itself up by incorporating force attacks in its sequences to compensate for this relaxed focus on blade work My guess is that its not really something attractive to the combat specialists. I believe I heard once before, that most forms take about 2 to 3 years to "master", where as Niman takes at least 10 years to do the same. You could study two forms and take them to a higher level of mastery. Niman isn't a useless form, but I think its not as attractive to those who wish to specialize in combat when they have more dedicated combat oriented forms like Ataru, Djem So, and so on
***** If someone at Lucasfilm told you the moon was made of cheese, would you believe it? Exar Kun and Kao Cen Darach are clearly warriors, but let's just stick our heads in the sand and pretend they use the diplomat's form. If you're looking for a Niman poster boy who actually fits the form's description, I suggest Odan-Urr. In fact I think he probably invented the style. He was a diplomat and scholar, not a warrior; committed to moderation in all things; knew the basics of lightsaber combat but was by no means an expert with a blade. None of this applies to Kun or Darach, but Niman fits Odan-Urr like a glove.
***** I agree that Niman likely does need to be redeemed, and yes it has gotten a bad rep. But I have to ask, purely on the level of saber to saber combat, which of these sounds like a more practical for a Jedi Guardian or even a Sith Warrior? Niman taken to about Exar Kun's level? Or Djem So backed up with Ataru to overcome the limited mobility, and Soresu to reinforce the user's defenses? Don't get me wrong, I am not denying that Kun was a great swordmaster. And Kao fended off both two powerful Sith at once. But I think that while Niman is an effective form, I also think you could probably have a more reliable combat style by mixing a couple of forms that can compliment each other. In my opinion, Niman is probably best studied to improve one's ability to include Force attacks into one's lightsaber sequences, or if you wish to study a Jar Kai variant of a form.
***** Your timeline has been a great influence on me. :) I still think Niman is the Jedi redshirt form. Use it if you're not important to the plot and will die quickly. However, this could be because teaching of Niman had degenerated during the thousand years of peace leading up to the movie era. It became the "easy" form during a period when basic competence with a lightsaber was widely seen to be sufficient.
***** I guess when ya get right down to it, the purpose it was designed for is ultimately what is holding it back. It was a form designed to keep things in moderation and to let scholars maintain a reasonable level of swords skill, while they devoted the majority of their time into other practices, such as Force abilities, diplomacy, and so on. I guess its also why you mainly see Niman paired with a more conventional form, like Ataru Yes, in the hands of a true master, such as Kun or even Derach here, it can become a powerful weapon to behold. Hell, Exar Kun's track record speaks for itself and as you detailed in the video, Derach was pretty impressive against Malgus and his master. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Darth Krayt a Niman master? I don't deny that Niman is an effective form, but personally, I think its a bit more practical to have a proven method you can rely on in most situations, like what masters like Dooku, Windu, Kenobi, and even Darth Bane do. Granted, I agree it is good to have more than just one option to use in combat
I think since you have done a video about two battle masters you should do a video of two skilled assassins who were nothing more than pawns to their masters Darth Maul vs Assaij Ventress.
the one thing that bugs me, is whenever jedi even masters come up against the sith they always come up short and die, which people who don't know bout SW as a whole than normal people it bugs me that it makes them look weak, great vid
I completely agree that forms 6 isn't given enough credit it's the most adaptable as far as saber techniques, and I like how it emphasizes using force powers in the fight, the force is a jedi's greatest weapon. And for a true battle master any "weakness" in its saber techniques is negated by their mastery of the other forms. So in my opinion it has no real weakness inherent, it just depends on the individual user, do they practice the saber enough or are they too busy meditating all day? (I'm not saying mastering the force isn't equally important but there has to be a ballance, which is what 6 is ideal for)
Hello Jensaarai, I have watched some of your videos and am very much impressed with the knowledge that you have accumulated and displayed concerning "lightsaber play" as well as the way in which you articulate it. There are two things that seem VERY strange to me regarding the praise of both Darth Vader and Darth Sidious. You have, on multiple occaisions, held Darth Vader "in such high esteem" whenever he is being matched up against most, if not all Jedi swordsmen/swordswomen; I find it strange that when Luke Skywalker shows up on the scene, Darth Vader is, all of a sudden, another push-over swordsman. I have seen some of Luke's swordplay, and more often than not it appears extremely primitive and unrefined in stark contrast with swordsmen like Plo Koon or Mace Windu (I completely agree with your opinion of Yoda) who either command strength and timing (Plo's Shien) or fluidity and rapidity (as well as an "exotic feedback loop" in the case of Vapaad) that far outstrip most, if not all Sith interpretations and implementations of lightsaber forms altogether. Likewise with Lord Vader, you also hold Sidious in high standing that makes almost perfect sense until someone like Vader/Old Anakin makes HIM look like another push-over villain. Because of this I am led to wonder if your analyses of Vader and Sidious are a little if not notably skewed when compared to Star Wars Canon. Otherwise, your analyses of both characters is remarkable given the depth of accessible knowledge and dedication to finding and presenting it. These are very fine works of logic and almost... art. I avidly wait for more.
Luke did win because of Force Rage, but the fact files let us know he was his father's equal at the time "Luke had indeed grown powerful since Bespin, and he was an equal match for his father " Jedi Fact file #111. Vader was willing to kill Luke. "If that meant he had to kill a boy that wouldn't fight he could do that too " Return of the Jedi novel
Good stuff, but I would liken the use of the short lighsaber shoto not to "Renaissance rapier wielders" but more to japanese samuraï or sword masters such as the 2 saber technique's greatest user and developer : Myamoto Musachi.
