The outcome was never in doubt. It's simply a matter of fire against ice. Raana Tey may be a highly combative Jedi Consular, but she is neither a Yoda nor a Depa Billaba. Then again, some aspects of her fighting style mirror Yoda's, and her psyche comes close to matching Depa's during the events of _Shatterpoint._ Maybe she's a combination of both, albeit leaning more towards Depa. Raana's stint of using the environment to her advantage clearly demonstrates an application of Sokan. Either one of you two dudes must try doing an analysis video on that advanced technique of lightsaber combat. I can name a few noteworthy examples: 1. Darth Maul's trap on Naboo, which both separated the Jedi and forced them to fight their opponent in tight spaces. Ataru specialists need open environments to be most effective, and Maul, a Form IV practitioner himself, _knew_ it. 2. Yoda's first duel with Darth Tyranus, when he used the walls to evade a saber throw from his former student. 3. The duel on Mustafar, a tough lesson that Darth Vader would _never_ forget. Whatever Darth Maladi lacks in martial prowess, she more than makes up for in variety of Force powers and pure Sith manipulation. She possesses a calm demeanor worthy of Darth Tyranus. Perhaps she inherited it from her late Jedi father. One other thing these two ladies have in common is their ambidexterity, switching lightsabers from one hand to the other. You'd have to be really good with a weapon to try that, especially if you're well versed in Jar'Kai.
I agree with that summation. Raana has a lesser version of Yoda's and Depa's fighting styles spliced into one and whose personality/psychology is most definitely strongly aligned with what Depa tragically ended up becoming on Haruun Kal.
It may be similar, but Luke wasn’t like the Jedi Covenant. He didn’t go into that hut with the intent of killing his nephew; it was merely an instinct that left him as quickly as it came, leaving Luke feeling guilty. Raana and her fellows felt no guilt at all. That alone makes it different.
Always glad to see the usage of more characters that not everyone is familiar with. Would love to see you cover more such characters in the future. Maybe you could and the other ForceCast Members could cover: 1. Darth Maul vs. Darth Nihl, 2. Darth Wyyrlok III vs. Dooku, 3. Shaak Ti vs. Mara Jade, 4. Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt, 5. Kento Marek vs. Roan Shyrne, 6. Ferus Olin vs. Zayne Carrick, or 7. Saba Sebatyne vs. Oppo Rancisis.
Actually it was Lucasfilm that decided to cut out the expanded universe. Disney's executives are perfectly fine with it as the new movies and materials have indeed made them money. I can kind of understand it but am very appreciative of them reprinting many materials. Legends banner may upset people but at least with it I know I'm grabbing a reprint and don't have to worry too much about taking it with me when I want a book to read As for Marvel it's kinda complicated... but, that's because it's Marvel and it's always been a little complicated.
Just my thoughts here: Maul, in a difficult but decisive win Dooku, with a moderate edge Ti, also with a moderate edge Krayt takes it, but only by a hair Shryne kicks ass Ferus, though it's a tough battle Saba, but Oppo has the upper hand for a majority of the fight
+One Piece Which is why I would join the Star Wars Legends movement on Facebook and Twitter. All they want is for Lucasfilm to continue Star Wars Legends separate from the new movies. With the Star Wars Legends movement you get nice people, good conversation, and they have already donated ten thousand dollars worth of Star Wars books to children's hospitals in California and Florida. You can find them at: facebook.com/groups/533341320109211/ facebook.com/groups/198319927202313/ facebook.com/groups/eurebellion/ facebook.com/sw2c1u/
Awesome matchup, I’m loving these obscure matchups from you lately Jensaraai, and GJ your content is always top notch. I look forward to enjoying this one!
She is. But if you force her to fight she can hold her own. I'll admit though, I found her most interesting because of her personal history, character design and the immense impact she had on the galaxy via the Vongspawn Virus/Omega Red Biotoxin. Not so much because of her combat abilities. Like Darth Wyyrlok she's a secondary character I didn't find all that interesting at the start who later became one of my favorites from the Legacy era.
This is great! Love seeing lesser known characters get the spotlight. It helps me get into new eras and stories that I normally haven't. This was certainly worth the wait. Keep up the good work! Also, that section about the Devaronians was fascinating. I didn't think they'd go into such detail on the anatomy of an alien species. Awesome little touch!
Yeah, analyzing the alien characters on a physiological/biological level is one of the things I enjoy most about doing these videos. The Devaronians are a particularly interesting species. If you're not familiar with how their society and government works, I would suggest looking into it. They've got an interesting culture. For starters, I'd recommend SciFi Soup's video about the species.
Very interesting, I actually like the way that you concluded the match-up. Since you mentioned him quite a bit in this video, it’d be very nice to see Shado Vao appear sometime in the future...
Got more coming! Thanks for commenting! Always nice to know folks are enjoying what we're doing and share a passion for the same aspects of Star Wars that we have.
😁😁😁😁 bro I used to stay up all night hearing your analysis on different Jedi and Sith and here you are giving us another jewel worthy video....thank you master Jedi....Grey Jedi
I thought I knew a lot about these characters, but your analyses of them are way beyond my capabilities, and very entertaining. Great job and thanks for the video. :)
Loved that you used the trailer with the best character from the new expansion in SWTOR! I think Darth Maladi was more of an assassin then anything else. She barely used her lightsaber or ever use her sith powers.
Those trailers are my favorite thing about SWTOR. And I agree! Maladi definitely isn't really at home on the battlefield. But she's got some pretty sick Force abilities for a character who tends to stand in the background.
The story of raana tey and her group was interesting for it showed how even the best can go to far when trying to do good. As the saying goes the road to hel l is paved with good intentions.
Love the video, guys. Appreciate the focus on less well-known characters of Star Wars lore. I wasn't getting the parallels and thematic antithesis between the two characters until later into the video, but once I did, I too understood what an interesting comparison and match-up this was.
Firstly, wow guys that was a surprise match and one I thoroughly enjoyed. Your analysis of Devaronian physiology was so detailed I was pleasantly surprised to hear this level of information that you presented. Would you both agree that Zayne Carrick is a possible user of Soresu?
Thanks! The physiological analyses of alien characters in these are one of the parts I have the most fun with even though they're often not very important to the actual verdict. I'm glad some people enjoy it as much as I do. As for Zayne being a Soresu user...I'd have to reexamine his fights. But he does have the temperament for it and it would suit him well.
GreyJedi91 a species physiology could play a more important factor in some situations than we think. It's good to see such a level of detail applied to your characters. This is why I love the videos all of you (the council forecast) create, you each bring something unique to the fight. Have you guys ever considered attempting a massive free for all, you each pick a character and enter them into a big versus match? It would be nice to see Zayne in a versus match ;)
Just when I thought you guys couldn't get any better, you drop this beautiful work on us all. I'll admit to not knowing either combatant well before this video, as the Jedi Covenant arc is one I haven't gotten too into and there's a lot post-ROTJ to learn, but I can genuinely say that my experience as a fan is enhanced by knowing these two characters. I'm still curious as to whether Tey's showing really allows us to place her on the same level as Maladi, but assuming it does, her character is a fascinating one to explore. Thank you both for producing this--it's a pleasure to watch. Some thoughts for future videos: Mace Windu v. Satele Shan Sha Koon v. Darth Talon Volfe Karkko v. Oppo Rancisis Rahm Kota, Quinlan Vos and A'Sharad Hett v. Darth Maul, Savage Oppress and Asajj Ventress (all Legends) Jao Assam v. Sedriss Ki-Adi-Mundi v. Jerec And as always... Darth Vectivus v. Master Faye
Evan Mace stomps Talon stomps Hmm, good match, would have to think about that one Ventress could arguably solo; the inclusion of Maul and Savage seals the deal. I’d say Sedriss. I’d begrudgingly say Jerec, though only because of Force destruction. Vectivus. If Ventress can come extremely close to killing Faye, then I have no reason to believe that a superior to Bane, Zannah, and Cognus wouldn’t be able to.
I agree with you on most of these, though I wouldn't say Talon stomps exactly, and Ventress definitely wouldn't have a lot of luck trying to solo Hett, Vos and Kota. She and Maul could do it together, though, the addition of Savage makes it a blowout. Also, glad you went for Jerec, my friend. ;) I'm interested as to how you find Vectivus superior to Bane and the others, though. It's strongly implied that he's a Rule of Two Sith Lord, but we really don't know much more about his abilities than that. And Faye's death, while definitely indicative of her inability against a swordsbeing like Ventress, is something I see more as circumstantial than anything else. The way I read the comic, it seemed to me as if Faye didn't have any intention of putting her own life before the lives of the people Ventress' weapon was after, and that includes any kind of big fight where unintended consequences can happen. One of the things I admire most about Ventress is her ability to put on a show and get her victims exactly where she wants them amidst the distraction, and I think this worked really well against Faye. But because of this, there aren't any indicators to her upper limit of power in an open battle where she has agency, and while I don't see her as a threatening swordswoman, it's not inconceivable to me that her Force abilities could be on the level of somebody like T'ra Saa or Joruus C'Baoth, themselves able to legitimately contend with many Rule of Two Sith before being overwhelmed. I don't think she could win this fight, but I do think it'd be close. That said, the whole point to this matchup is that it's hugely speculative in nature, and we really don't have a good idea of the abilities of either combatant.
Evan Ventress can solo them if she keeps the pressure up, so that it’s practically ‘sabers only. However, I doubt this’ll happen, and the team collectively dominate her with the Force. Maul and Savage make sure that it doesn’t get to that point. Each Rule of Two Sith is more powerful than the last. Also, I was referring to the instance where Ventress nearly crushed Faye’s heart with the Force. I could definitely see Vectivus taking Faye out.
+Evan Hey, I'm back. Mace (def better swordsmen and can contend as a fore wielder). Don't remember enough on Sha Koon. Volfe (far greater force power, force lightning, and greater variety of tk, though Oppo is the superior telepath). Ventress and Maul alone win. Sedriss (I don't think Jao is in Council Master League). Jerec due to force abilities. Vectivus but that's because I like him more as a character.
+Ki Adi Sandwich I'm not sure she could solo the three of them, but I definitely agree she stands a damn good chance even without the brothers' aid. With them present, it's a shoo-in. My thoughts with this were that it provides not exactly a close fight, but some DAMN good duels over the course of it. And yeah, ultimately I do agree that Vectivus takes it. But specifically because of the whole Darth Gravid thing, I'm not sure we can say definitively that the entire Banite line follows such an orderly progression. Also I have some other thoughts on the whole line, but I won't waste your time with it here. +Rob George I haven't decided yet on whether I'd give Volffe a win on Oppo, but on all the others I'm with you. Honestly I don't think Sedriss is quite Council-league either, despite some of the VS series verdicts, but that's just me and he's definitely able to win that fight. Sha Koon was killed after Order 66 in a "short but intense" duel with Darth Vader. This is just my interpretation of the source material, but the fight seems to have been akin to the final duel between Obi-Wan and Maul, except a few strikes longer.
I know what I'm doing for the next hour. Been waiting for a Darth Maladi matchup. And this a Jensarrai1 x GreyJedi91 crossover??? Damn. Full thoughts after I watch.
Time for thoughts. I greatly enjoyed this one. Much like the similarities and contrasts between these 2, I tend to find these kind of things between you 2. Jensarrai1's more direct and passionate speaking style against the calmness of GreyJedi91 what a great contrast in your presentation styles but both of you still have the very rational analysis. Raana is a character I did find intriguing but someone who I didn't care about, because the other characters were far more compelling to me (Zayne, Haazan, and Lucien come to mind). However, your presentation of her does make me want to go back and read up on her again. As for Darth Maladi, this is a very through assessment of her capabilities. Even though alchemy is not usually combatively applicable, I do appreciate the detail that went into describing what an interesting and powerful ability it is. No complaints on the verdict but your assessment of Ranna made me realize that members of her species are better as Jedi Guardians and the stupidity of the Covenant. Much like Raana, they were a poor judge of character. Rather than seeing Raana as someone whose inherent nature makes her at cross odds with Farsight, and helping her to control her farsight and provide a more balanced education, the Covenant some what forced her into over specializing because that is the one gift they found a personal use of. Also a wide variety of great music and imagery to boot. Loved this one and looking forward to what's coming next from both of your channels.
I definitely agree. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed working on this one and it turned out to be much more detailed and engaging than I thought it would be when I thought of it over a year ago. I really liked how this collaboration came together. As you say Connor's speaking style suits an analysis of such an extreme character as the mentally unbalanced Tey whereas my style is more oriented towards a patient and calculating Sith like Maladi. And the fun part about a collaboration is that they're fun to watch even if you helped create it. Unlike most of my other projects, I'm not solely responsible for this so it's fun for me as a viewer to see what Connor's put together. And I also strongly agree that Tey is not a character I found at all likeable. What she was though, was intriguing and unforgettable which is the main reason I've always wanted to feature her. Just like Krynda Draay, she's a horrible person that I still have a small kernel of sympathy for because of how tragic her story was and she was part of a great arc, Zayne Carrick being one of the stand out heroes from that era.
damn it you're making me want Darth Zannah vs Darth Maladi; the sith sorceresses who were not particularly great with the lightsaber but OP with the force (more or less)
Zannah is out of Maladis league. Even without her sorcery Zannah would win with the blade, she could have killed Set Harth, a more accomplished Ataru specialist than Raana Tey, more than a dozen times in there brief fight.
this was a GREAT vid and so well done it made me pause the vid and go add more legacy comics to my collection as you reminded me how great the series is :D
Oh that's a good one. is Bondara bringing anything significant to the table in terms of force abilities? I don't own the material he was featured in personally but Paratus has some reasonably impressive showings
To be honest I'm really far more interested in using less OP characters in general and usually gravitate toward more obscure or underappreciated figures. Of my last 4 versus videos the only really top notch Force wielder I've featured has been Zannah. All the others have been characters that are either lacking in popularity whom I enjoy, or characters who have stories that are more interesting than their actual abilities. Which is kind of my niche. Not saying I'll never do Darth Krayt vs Yoda...in fact I'm a little surprised that this isn't a thing already. But it's just not really up my alley and certainly not something I'll be working on any time soon. Perhaps one of the others? Like Evan or Connor. Not sure Antoine would have an interest and Callan's not really focused on versus material as of late.
You have a pretty good channel my friend. You've earned my subscription. #SUGGESTION: Can you do two versus video? One and the other next time? One: And this just to shut the fanboys up of Obi-Wan, Darth Krayt vs Obi-Wan Kenobi. And two: Exar Kun vs Count Dooku. Plz respond.
Awesome video, though I feel the comparison to Vindican is a bit, inaccurate. I believe Vindican’s lightning was more powerful than Dooku’s if only slightly but the point being made is definitely accurate. Though with force lightning it is very hard to find intermediate users like Maladi, Vindican, and Dooku as it’s either very weak or very powerful depending on the combatant.
These are interesting. Very much so. I admit I already have a Wyyrlok matchup in the works and it's not one of these, but I'll see if any of the others are interesting. Even if they're not I may do these in time myself. But it'll be a while. Thanks for the suggestions!
+banethesithari Interesting but I feel its classical swordsmen vs sorcerer debate. Wyylock is the more powerful (developed power, not potential) and skilled force wielder while Ti and Anakin are superior swordsmen. I'm guessing Anakin is screwed because Sith Sorcery while Shak has a better chance (little uncertain on that one though).
Rob George I agree shaak to definetly has a better match. I though maybe dooku would be a better match up than anakin ,but not till after I posted the comment. But I think it would be good to have wyyylock fave off against a well know charatcer since he gets overshadowed by krayt so much.
Rob George given krayt had to resort to feigning he lost to defeat wyyylock I feel he'd be to much for shaak ti or anakin with the force. Krayt after all was fighting him infromt of all the other top sith in his order and needed to appear as strong as possible. He wouldn't feign weakness unless he thought it neccessary
To be perfectly honest...it's almost taken as a given most times. We spend little time discussing that. When we did our Plo Koon vs Qui-gon match up which wasn't very well made as it's around 5 years old at this point, I knew going into it that Connor had used Jinn around 3 or 4 times prior. So he seemed the natural to cover that character as he had no research or work to do. This time around, he gravitated towards Raana because he found her "fragmented psychology" interesting and I was heavily interested in analyzing Maladi's backstory which I find fascinating and I also have always wanted to featured a Devaronian in my videos because they're an interesting species to me. The pieces just kind of fall into place I suppose.
Jeffrey Doe Yeah, those guys aren’t going to be used. There is little to nothing depicting either of them in serious battles, much less any battles in general. With no source material to go on, these guys can’t use them. Even using the feat of Marka Ragnos possessing Tavion Axmis is a bit of a stretch.
Would it be possible for you to use Jedi master Saba Sebatyne in one of your videos? She is an extraordinary fighter, and a very powerful force user, so it would be interesting to see her in a verses match
Who is for Darth Maladi vs Darth Zannah ? Who is for Darth Vader and Galen Marek vs Shaak Ti and Plo Koon ? Who is for Count Dooku and Sora Bulq vs Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan ? Who is for Darth Revan and Darth Malak vs Darth Vader and Galen Marek ?
I don't know. Haven't seen that video in some time. I pick matches based on characters I find interesting and every now and then if I think there's a strong thematic overtone. If commonalities with other matches emerge that's more or less unintentionally coincidental.
Hey I’ve finally decided to upload a Star Wars video, inspired by you all at the forcecast. I’d really appreciate your say and feedback as you were a great factor in my decision to upload! It’s an in depth justified rankings video of the new films 1-9. Thanks :)
Matt, I know you guys are pro-Legends, but what are your thoughts on the Yuuzhan Vong? I understand they are highly controversial among fans, and I myself do wonder whether it's plausible to be cut from the Force and still be alive, given what was established in the original films. How do you and Connor think of them, specifically?
This has been one of my most active years actually. I've made 4 versus videos within the last 8 months. Remember that I've gone without uploading anything at all for entire year more than once. I appreciate the support though. Just wanted to highlight the fact that for me...this IS stepping it up lol.
What is the name of the female seer with the bandages over her eyes? Very interested in finding out her backstory. Also, I believe that the Togruta have "montrails", not "monstrils'. Just saying...
TJ347 yes Connor mispronounced montrals. He does it every time though so I think he may just have trouble saying the word. Anyway, the Miraluka member of the Jedi Covenant was named Q'nilia.
I disagree on the notion that the Sith cannot be eradicated as long as the Jedi exist. The Sith teachings are a consequence of human nature itself. As long as *the force* exists, the Sith cannot be eradicated.
With respect, I think you and Connor are more or less saying the same thing in different ways. You can't have Jedi without the Force and you can't have a Light Side without a Dark Side. So basically, whether they style themselves Jedi, Sith, or something in between, you can't have one without the other and so any attempt by the Jedi to wipe out the Sith will always eventually amount to an exercise in futility. The converse is also true of course and that's why we get the perennial theme of one returning from near extinction to bring down the other. The cyclical waxing and waning of the Light and Dark so many times throughout history always seems to be in play.
I’d say Vader but given that both Cade and Luke managed to each defeat someone WAY stronger than themselves on the back of being the “chosen one” and “Hero”