VESC is now better than a Onewheel 

I'm really looking forward to a vesc build guide. The thing that's had me hesitant about vesc is I want my hobby to be riding, and not tinkering with a build.

It's great that the float community is steadily becoming free from the shackles of FM. Knowing that you'll have readily available repairs and upgrades without the proprietary FM shenanigans is a huge plus. Keep these improvements coming!!

I rode a VESC last weekend and all I can say is WOW, what a beast that XR was. You can crawl up steep, uneven terrain from a dead stop! An amazing riding experience! Can't wait to get mine.

This is the future for certain for all serious riders. Good on you for also calling out FM and their relentless BS

I just started and feel like I got into onewheel at exactly the right time.

Great video! I'm super geeked to try "VESC'ing" my spare XR one day. The ideas you mentioned like hot swapping batteries, ultra customized ride specs, it's just amazing. Float on!

I am so glad that we live in the future. I am trying my best to break my bords to have the excuse to VESC it and give one WTF rails.

I can't wait to build my own VESC, my XR's battery and BMS are dead, I'm french and I don't want and don't have the money to send it back to FM. I'am so frustrated and disapointed by FM's politic, and GT got so much problems that I don't trust it. I'am waiting for some money to make the convertion and go back to shredd my board !! :D

What a beautiful glimpse into the future!

I’ve never thought about how the XRs are tuned to only a Vega🤯 I mean it makes complete sense. That’s what’s great about custom wheels, tuning them depending on exactly how they’re built. Rad video Jake, Thanks!

Looking forward to the “VESCing an XR” video! Great content on this video!

Wow Jake! That was awesome riding and a great speech about vesc

Looks like my future upgrades may be vesc

Yes yes yes! That is what we need! Greedy FM has to go away!

Dude, your narration has gotten so much better! Love it!

I rode a VESC yesterday briefly for the first time. It had me cackling like a madman, mostly because of the tight turning Jake mentions. I'm not ditching my GT, but I am looking at my XR thinking hmmm....

You should totally do a break down of the parts of your vesc. Also cost break down and possibly how to build one.

Been stock piling all these motors for exactly this!

Thanks for the video Jake. Well laid out and very exciting to see it and hear it from you. I agree with your opinions and am excited to try VESC! Good work!!!

Open source? Hell yeah. On it on it. Thanks for the headsup.

Thanks Jake. Preciate the honestly and all your time researching I know this is a lot of work.

I'm glad you changed your mind on VESC.

This is an amazing video, makes me want to start building a VESC for the future

Good stuff, brother! I am finally getting into VESC myself, with Makers PEV being my local homies. I’m ordering the 84v CBCSO battery and starting all my homework learning how to step into this arena. Love seeing vids like this from well known community pillars like the professor!

Great video and comments. I'm lurking on those boards since long here in Europe, but i was resigned of getting one because of the contemptuous Future Motion's policy towards its customers. I'm super enthousiast to learn there is now an open source alternative 😃🥳

Really happy to see how VESC has grown this year to offer a competent alternative. We really need that and I can't wait to try it! I'd love to fine-tune my setup. And things like posi should have been available as options via software all along.

Wow Jake, those are REALLY great news!

I fkin love this video, your commentary of truth & I Love the quickly blooming potential of VESC❗️

like with everything open-source is the way to go, love that type of video, keep it up !

so great... thank you tons for your content as always jake! can't wait to see more vesc breakdowns and builds. currently rocking with Pint + GT40 mod since my XR broke over a year ago. just biting my time until its go time for VESC!

The person who makes VESC easy to install is going to make a lot of money if they decide to sell there expertise, the onewheel community will jump on this so quickly because we really want other options.

Welcome to the club Jake 😁

Thank You! I need to have this, there's no question! Thanks for turning me on to this!!

Best summary Jake, let’s go vescwheel !

The VESC is essentially a controller upgrade NOT specific for the onewheel but for many applications including long boards, scooters or anything electric with motors. The software is the hard part as its open sourced for any applications, in this case the onewheel. The XR may have more power than the GT (with Vesc) but the GT is capable of putting out as much or more power with a vesc. The more heat you can disipate, the more power you can run, this is the limiting factor although the more power you run, the faster your battery will drain so this is important to note if you like that raw torque, it comes at a cost. If they can get the software to a good spot, itll be a fairly easy upgrade and software upload. I cant wait to see where this goes, i wanted to put a VESC in my scooter but they dont currently have any good display options and few ports for necessary buttons/switches. I would love to put one in my GT when they get this dialed in...

I just started following for your balance and foot health videos but I've also been considering an PEV for the first time and learning about this open source modding community has me even more stoked about the one wheel. Thank you!

LOOOOVE that its open source. Collaboration is one of our most powerful assets, no matter what you ride.

Nice one Jake, hopefully you'll have your own VESC soon :)

Will there be new TFL products specifically made for vesc? Like as you said a less squirrelly version of enduro, or new rail design that can take advantage of the firmware and go beyond the 4 degree tilt of WTF, etc?

I knew I was on the right track when I said VESC will be preferable.

I’m so glad I found your channel.

One of the things I love about the GT is no more range anxiety. I'm hoping I can get a vesc setup that gives all these features with good range for the heavy guys like me.

Love your videos, this one is amazing like the others. Please show how you work your vesc/settings when you do get around to it... I really want to see how you tackle it and test your new config.

Sweet, psyched. Well done on the constructive criticism too.

That was a really well-done and informative voice-over.

Here's to Shredwheelz

It’s like maybe onewheel/FM will see this and listen…. But they just don’t seem to care at all. It’s like once you pay them for the board they see you as obsolete. It’s sad really, they have such a passionate community but they don’t appreciate it.

So, hold on to any XR's I have? The only reason I like the GT is the power for my weight. Would love to have a powerful XR

I chose not to purchase the GT being that I could not justify spending the money for what seemed like minor improvements with the new model. I am stoked that the community has given me something to look forward to in improving my XR. Excited to here the VESC will improve the carvability and range. The only other things I would like to see improve is the acceleration, top speed and torque. Im sure that will improve in time with better batteries coming out in the future.

This is great, amazing that it’s almost to the point of switching the controller and boom, you’re set.

Awesome! Time to hunt down scrap parts to assemble my own!

" VESC is the NOW " Going on Tshirt with onewheel board on bottom, selling it on Etsy 😁

I’ve been thinking about getting a One Wheel but after hearing about the “Ejection Problem” have held off. I’m 79 years old and just had my right shoulder replaced and don’t want to try an ejection. Thanks for letting me know there may be options. Shout out to The Float Life!

Please do the VESC install / build vid! I want to do this badly but im not great with stuff like this hahaha

Thank you! A non biased review finally! New subscriber right here in the UK. Cheers ears 👂

This warms my heart guys! 🥰 Originally Kyle at FM was a hero when he invented the onewheel. But then he "shat the bed" real bad by becoming greedy, lawyer hungry, and oppressive against customer needs and legitimate criticism. Now YOU GUYS are the heroes! Users updating the VESC code and parameters, selling replacement batteries and controllers, and we are close to the point where people can buy all the parts they need to build a one wheeled board without needing to buy a single part from FM. Since we can't really call these new boards "Onewheel" maybe we should think of an exciting new name? Like a new branding for user created and developed wheels? VESCwheel? UserWheel? NotEvilWheel? fFMwheel? 😁 An exciting, open source branding that is owned by EVERYBODY (not by one greedy company) could really help to popularise the new DIY boards and make people feel more confident that this is a REAL BOARD... not just some DIY guys making different weird versions for themselves but instead is something that can be known and trusted as an alternative to the FM product. I guess that what I am saying is we need a beginner friendly, standardised, DIY wheel that people will know what they are getting (and how it will ride) when they buy the parts and bolt it together... 🤔👍

I'm with ya Jake, i have my XR and support right to repair, something FM has an issue with

Looking forward to the follow up video 👊❤

R.I.P FM☠

I love this. I mean, every sport requires innovation. FM is an echo chamber and as fun, as it is to vilify them, they're the only game in town for this type of ride. So anything that opens the playing field and makes them rethink stuff is excellent. If I had any money? I'd be looking at making kits / full-built boards that don't use the FM hub or parts. Until you can buy a kit that isn't a Frankenstein board and is all new parts, completely free of FM patents... we're still not "there" yet. If I was Chi or JW, I'd be looking into designing your own hubs and motors. Hell... I wouldn't be surprised that if in a year the TFL of C&R has a kit with FM free hub, TFL rails, JW or other battery and the VESC controller. Thats the future. Give the normies (guys like me) who want a polished off the shelf board a place to get it, but also the die hards and tinkiers a place to express themselves too. There's a market for both.

Glad I found this video. Thanks for alerting me to an open source alternative! Perfect!

Great video, something a little counter intuitive, but if you slow down your torque tiltback (increase the filtering), it will actually allow you to get over pump track bumps without triggering it. Tho i can't promise you'll be able to find a perfect sweet spot. i doubt that you can make engage/disengage fast enough to actually help on a pump track. If you want more nose up on transition ramps, you best bet is increase the mahony kp, as that will convert forwards deceleration into a temporary tail down, and your axis of movement changes as ride a transition. Also pretty much all the the things you requested are in the works. Tho it won't be plug and play, I do want any idiot to be able to get through a config process from scratch while following an external guide. Similar to how the motor config is now, you might need help knowing how many pole pairs you have, and what gear ratio to input, but you can do it without a day of study. But this of course does not need to be the end of all progress, just the next step.

I’m waiting for my vesc controller I’m hyped as F

THE STOKE IS REAL!!!!!! im bout to get on my VESC ish

So hyped for VESC! Also curious what you think about the spiked Clark rear and sensor pads from the Clark guy making the euc pads. Have you seen them? Thought they were a joke but after trying them on Mitch's board I kinda dig them.

👍🏾🙏🏾 Love it!😎

This looks sick!

Glad to see when I wanna upgrade my XR when necessary I’ll have options

It would be very helpful if you video’d the entire VESC modification from start to finish - not as good as a simple app, but still very nice.

VESC LFG!!!

Future Motion rn… 😰😰😰

Wicked. 😎👍

Jake, when will you post a VESC conversion video(s)? I’ve been watching the whole open source project for a while, but you’ve peaked my interest and I will be following your channel closely.

Just built mine and default settings were better than the xr. Have a blast

Well said Jake, long live the xr 👊

Future Motion lost me when they make your board DEAD for changing your battery

Super interested in vesc. I'd love some extra torque going up uphill on trail rides. Tired of having to carry my board when it gets steep. Seems like it would be worth the price just for that. Looking forward to your install video.

Very nice camera work. That person is a pro.

I literally have only heard but about VESC. Was wondering (if anyone here knows) how compatible it is with the GT? I know that with the GT being as new as it is and all the changes FM made there's still a good amount work to get it to XR level of after market support. Not looking to make any changes yet mind you, but I'm keeping my eyes and ears open for info and trying to educate myself on VESC and what not so I'll be more prepared when I do get to that point.

So does anyone have any suggestions for finding a used XR so I can build a VESC? Unless somebody is going to start producing frames and motors outside of Future Motion.

yesssssssss its happening

This is good. Not at all into onewheel stuff but totally into the community telling companies to stuff it, this needs to happen everywhere, Apple, Tesla, car companies who charge monthly fees for remote starters when your car already has the hardware (and a fee for cellular service so you can use your phone isn't unreasonable but I'm talking even from your key), all the companies refusing repair parts or schematics when products used to have this stuff printed on big labels inside the product..we are letting 1984 happen but stuff like this gives me a tiny bit of hope. Keep it up!

so stoked on this!

As an EUC rider, i've always been skeptical of the One Wheel. I love the concept, but I've heard how sketchy Future Motion can be, which has made me reluctant to try a One wheel. However, watching you carve and send it on that VESC makes me see that particular platform in a whole new light. You are an awesome rider. Great video!

Unfortunately there are less of that ride as a sport and more that ride straight lines and ride to get the mail (no judgment). So of course that’s who FFM caters to. Like, there are those who can ride a skateboard vs those that Skate. We will separate from FFM with VESC while FFM innovates their podcast. Oh and, FFM.

⚡ *I've been hearin the VESC is now "better" couple of times, as much as I think VESC is the future, I will wait and see* 😂⚡ Awesome to see how far it's come so quickly 🤙🏼🤙🏼

So when is the Float Life doing a collaboration to get these kits out to the masses? I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the case. There has been more focus on the XR (Vesc) lately from their channel and riders. I was thinking of selling my 4209, but it almost sounds like you guys are testing the market on Vesc. I will hold on to my board as I think you guys are coming out with something soon to resurrect the XR’s popularity. At least I hope that you guys will in the near future. 😅

Just in terms of ride, are there aspects besides carvability that you think are better than FM software at this point? Thanks for the video, I was glad to hear another positive review! I'm definitely going to build a VESC board, just curious if there are other better aspects in addition to carvability.

It’s amazing what the VESC community is doing with self balancing boards. I’m massively for the open source community with these devices

Great news... But tbh I want a Pint VESC 😅 either or I can live with a growler VESC if I can't fix my Plus 🤙🏽

The problem with FM is that they are a product driven company, not an innovator or engineering focused innovator. Their product is what it is. It is not going to drastically change so all they can do a this point is exactly what you said: keep others out of the space. Looking forward to see where VESC goes. I refuse to buy a OneWheel due to all of the safety issues I have heard about.

Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.

Having done even just a moderate amount of research, I am convinced getting an XR and working on it is a more worthwhile investment for the dedicated rider rather than the GT. Despite that, as someone who lacks the technical capabilities to incorporate VESC it feels somewhat unattainable. A feeling which is not aided by the fact that the XR is discontinued. But features such as pusback customization is something I can't help but feel should be an option featured in FM stock onewheels.

Great vid man!

This is so exciting. But how are you going to balance your cells without a bms. I really wanna do this but I also really want to avoid a 🔥 🔥 🔥.

love open source!!!

should i get a vesc for my gt? i like how my gt rides, but i’m exited to see this innovation and customization

So I'm new to the VESC conversation. Where can I buy a VESC board that's ready to ride?

Been waiting for a better OneWheel for awhile now.

you said a lfoc controller box is 300 usd, the lfoc itself is 300 usd, the box kit is a 700usd 5:20