I’d like that, but considering they don’t even want anti barrier to work with conditional finality, and the exotic stasis scout, they aren’t gonna let us have an all in one champion weapon.
@@alexcox9400Honestly it’ll still be so niche afterwards I doubt it would change the meta in any meaningful way, however I agree that bungie probably wouldn’t do that.
I appreciate you putting a summarization in the thumbnail, it makes me feel a bit more respected in a world of clickbait and viewer retention optimizing
I've also been rocking this in onslaught and had a lot of fun, looking to get a velocity baton with attrition orbs to also slap on the loadout to fully overkill on super generation
I’ve been using it in solo Vespers Host and it does work Being able to use nova constantly for add clear while ensuring you’ll have one for dps is so helpful
I know people have forgotten about it, but The Manticore pairs perfectly with peacekeepers. it comes with A) A ~40% damage boost when you're shooting in the air B) If you're either laying into a meaty target or clearing adds the gun has automatic bullet regen so you can get mags that feel like they're 2-3x the normal size and C) when you're in the air, you get a constantly refreshing overshield and enemies have an accuracy penalty against you. On Void titan, you get the constant overshield, which can give you grenade spam, which can suppress/weaken everything, and then mow them down with The Manticore for more overshield. Bonus points for volatile rounds. And if you fly high enough, you stay out of the way of your teammates using rocket and grenade launchers.
It's definitely a big boost for that gun. I still think Huck surpasses it though--stuff can't kill you if it's dead. Reminder that Void Overshield DR got buffed btw, a full bar is like 150 effective health now
The Bad Juju glowup is insane. I only wish they'd replace the hip-fire grip perk explanation (keep it baked into the gun) with a perk explaining the explosions. Seems a bit silly now to not talk about such an obvious feature.
Get 3 kills without manually reloading the weapon for the explosion, this INCLUDES the explosion so you can get 3 kills, the explosion kills another (4) so now you only need 2 more kills for the next explosion.
I highly encourage peacekeeper titans to try manticore on void titan with controlled demo + offensive bulwark. the volatile rounds get superbuffed by expulsion and controlled demo, and the free overshields from manticore keep your grenade cooldown ticking, on top of the fact that manticore having a built in 100% damage bonus and a mag refill while in the air makes it really good with peacekeepers, even if not on sentinel
I want to give a huge shout out to Salvation's Grip. It actually got reworked to not be a complete meme a long time ago, but I finally decided to use it again because of the Stasis-focused artifact this episode and the new catalyst. I've been using it in Onslaught to lock down enemy spawns, and a well-placed charged shot at a boss' feet will usually shatter a ton of crystals instantly for some hefty damage. It also destroys Cabal tanks and Fallen walkers insanely fast, similar to Dragon's Breath ignitions a while back.
Even without lucky pants it's soo great to one shot kill red bars in master level content ,no to mention lucky pants is soo much easier to use great rework
0:49 there was a Tweet from bungie team and designer and in the twab that the hip fire shot was supposed to be only nerfed while a dev cag is on the target not in general use
I think an easy change they could make for Symmetry that would help the uptime is that kills while in the alternate fire mode give you stacks of the perk when you swap back to the normal fire mode. That makes it so that the first build up to max stacks still takes a while for PvP, but once you get max stacks it increases the overall uptime you get from max stacks in PvE.
They need to buff volatile to work more like ignitions (ie different sources make the explosion do different damages). Void warlock melee feels awful when all it does is made completely obsolete by a FRAGMENT. It would make the none volatile rounds sources of volatile feel useable while not making volatile rounds insane.
symmetry is much better for gambit now since it stacks up so much faster and allows you to kill invaders or even just invade alot more frequently i believe juju explodes every 3 rapid kills, and kills with explosions count towards this, meaning you could have a chain reaction like necrochasm. the only requirement is that you cant have reloaded before getting 3 kills. as for fighting lion- its incredible paired with the new stasis turret exotic- rather than sitting in your domain with a stasis weapon, take facet of command and throw the turrets at clusters of enemies or spawn points and they will be frozen and also 'grenade affected' meaning the fighting lion never has to reload (as this is apparently an intrinsic trait i never knew about til this glowup) all the while making everything volatile. super fun build especially in onslaught.
Very off topic, but that segment where you're playing Onslaught and your dog is curled up in your lap is one of the cutest things I think I've ever seen. I am a dog dad and am extremely jealous 🤣
big juju fan here, i'm pretty sure the original easter egg explosion is different than the explosions it triggers now every 3 kills, at the very least they have different sounds effects. the 145 kill explosion has this high pitched sound when it goes off while the 3 kill one doesn't. not sure how damage/radius is changed if it all, i'm assuming it is though
Bungie has still not designed a encounter that can let huckleberry stretch its legs, there's simply not enough enemies to keep it alive when fully spun up
Hydroponics delta was the first place i tested it on peacekeepers and sheesh it shredded through there. Excited to try it in more close-range GMs when they come up. Sucks we didn't have this last season for the Liminality GM cuz that would've been the perfect place to use it.
fighting lion on gyrfalcons is super fun, as a bonus impacts get the chain going with stylish ex. and then u have volatile on splash damage too aka constant big booms and invis
I always ran FL on gryfalcons, its basically like having a primary ammo salvagers salvo. Now with the buffs it can self proc stylish without needing to dodge for invis, making it slot way smoother into the build.
I've been using Ex Diris as a primary. It's especially great in onslaught. If enemies are clustered at all, it shreds the group, combined with this season's perks, it just feels good.
I've been loving Ex Diris this episode, and it works really well with the artifact and the new envious arsenal/BnS arc GL. Double arc Gls, only 1 hit to proc, once you're out of heavy ammo it absolutely slaps
My Understanding is that Ex-Diris didn't actually get the damage buff it was expected to get. It gets a damage buff that puts it above rocket sidearms it'll be truly great.
Kinetic tremors is nice to help stun barriers. Proccing it helps keep the champion from bubbling. Its nice for when there is a lot of trash around you have to deal with
As a peacekeeper Titan I run the huckleberry, an arc sub, and the new arc grenade launcher with envious arsenal and cascade point. Yes two primaries but because of the artifact the arc sub is to blind explode. Plus the fast swaps of huckle, to arc sub reloads grenade launcher for fast drop of dps
Bad juju is definitely a good choice now for super rush builds. With elemental perks like incandescent and headstone we are in an era where primary weapons are expected to have some AOE and now it does with the spooky explosions.
I think a way to push Chap and Duality into the hands of more guardians, is have it be to where when either of their buffs are active at max capacity (Roadborn or On Black Wings x3), have precision slug kills refund ammo directly into the mag. Or maybe into the mag for Duality, but just ammo refund that has to be reloaded for Chaperone (Since Duality has more setup and a full mag reload anyways). I think that way these would allow guardians to play into the shotgun primary fantasy a lot more, while not pushing them too far over the limit. Duality would essentially have no change in PVP as well, though I am interested to see how Chap would balance out with this. Hopefully the having to reload would make it to where infinite ammo shotgunning wouldn’t be too possible
As far as I'm aware Ex Diris did not get the damage increase it was meant to have. That aside I think it still feels really nice this season. Titans are eating good with Peacekeepers and those SMGs though.
I’ve been really enjoying 4th Horseman as a champion killer to complement my stasis-lock. I also really want to revisit Tessellation after I get the catalyst because I think a full-stasis build actually may make sense this season.
Im a huge huckleberry simp, its absolutely fantastic. As an exotic primary built with prismatic in mind i get my transcendence STUPID quickly and its awesome
Lucky pants do be feeling way better too now, the damage loss suck a bit but the quality of life changes are a godsend. And the recent change to heavy burst hand cannon precision damage makes it feel closer to before.
My issue with Symmetry is, unlike almost every other mode swap primary, when you run out of Revolution charges you need to swap back to normal mode AND still reload. It feels so clunky to use. Swapping from the alt fire mode back to normal should reload the weapon like Quicksilver and Revision Zero.
Exdris, arc mothkeeper, tonics, plus fragment that special kills blind, plus armor charge... literally a room shutdown, with occasional healing, plus weaken, plus lightning staff... fucking slaps on any activity
I've loved the Huckleberry ever since I got the original catalyst, so getting a buff to it is great, and I'm a Warlock main. It's great in any PvE environment with lots of little guys: Onslaught, Gambit. Just lay on that trigger and let it rip.
After a few more buffs every exotic gun/armor will be somewhat usefull now. We went from majority to a few. I do wish some exotics stop restricting us to use a certain super on prismatic though. This restrcition isn't even on the Blastweave Striders. I fear to one day wake up and see *While you have a solar super equipped, Consecration's second slam creates a cyclone of flame.*
They should get rid of the timer for Symmetry's revolution rounds and just give you flat 20 rounds of revolution rounds. Plus even with the timer I don't think you can fire off all 20 rounds. Get rid of timer and give the rounds either jolt or blinding effect and it's immediately back in the game
Huckleberry continues to be an absolute workhorse. It feels so good when you get it going on a bunch of weaker enemies. Use it in Gambit and slay the fuck out.
Volatile on Fighting Lion is actually quite interesting. I'd have to test, but explosions like stasis crystals can trigger the auto reload. I'd assume that's the big thing with the change. Still needs more minor/major damage though :/
bad juju and skull buffs feel like D1Y1 nova bomb cooldowns. Outside of prism rime coat, this is my favorite build right now. They absolutely cooked with these particular buffs
I feel like Duality is ALMOST viable for PvE, I think a big buff to its ammo reserve would justify burning through some of its ammo to deal big chunky damage
Yeah dood ever since I fully crafted my choir of one with onslaught Ive completely retired rocket sidearms. They do the same thing but has WAAYYY more flexibility than rocket sidearms imo amd it feels like I rarley run out of ammo. As a solo mostly player I CANNOT take this thing off. Its just to good and strong the only thing is yes the hipefire damage is a little noticeable with the nerf but it doesnt change much at all.
Don’t sleep on Ex Diris, it’s basically a pocket heavy weapon right now- it’s really good! It only did a few hundred thousand less damage than a bait n switch edge transit. Like, I wouldn’t use this over w god roll nade launcher- but you can’t deny the absurd damage it can do
I feel like manticore is still the best peacekeepers exotic, it gets a damage buff from the catalyst that stacks with pks, from the same catalyst it also gets the new buffed overshield and auto-reloading, and it being void means in addition to the overshield synergising with sentinel you can also take advantage of the volatile rounds fragments on void or prismatic.
@nerfycat8429 Hey I liked using manticore on prismatic hunter as my first build with the exotic class item. It's not that different than heat rises warlock builds
the fact it keeps dropping you out of the air because you cant keep the bar up indefinitely, or the fact that when you DO have to reload, its the most painfully slow reload in the world still kill this weapon imo i feel like the whole 'charging anti grav repulsors' thing should just be scrapped and it should just keep you floating so long as you're doing damage.
i've said this when kinetic tremor came out, Bad Juju should've got it instead of huckleberry, they should gave HB forth time the charm and increase the mag & reload speed!
I like symmetry for pvp now, it lacks aim assist (which tbh is a problem on 260 rpm scouts in general, it feels like bungie doesn't know which range they want you to use them at) but the "on kill" effect makes it more forgiving if you get a bodyshot kill
havent played hunter in a couple expansions, i decided to pair raijus harness with bad juju its a similar experience to juju and dire ahamkara plus more jolting
The nice thing about Kinetic Tremors is it inherits weapon damage buffs, including Peacekeepers, so the Huckleberry can fire 3x damage per bullet with max Rampage *and* trigger Kinetic Tremors, adding an effective 90% bonus damage, before accounting for further buffs like Radiant, Transcendence, or Surges
One buff for symmetry that would be nice it if it had a time return on kills and hits like tarrabah. Also make the neutral game for the gun a bit more fun
Shotguns are in a weird place for PVE. I don’t think they do enough damage for the risk factor of their range. Especially in high level content. If they leave their damage model how it is, they will only ever be used for OTP. There is absolutely zero reason to use an exotic shotgun in PVE except for maybe Conditional.
Get one with discord. Once you get the rythem of 'kill with one weapon, switch to shotgun for 5 seconds, switch back' you become a murder machine. My legit good roll was a solar 'discord/subsistence'. When the perk is active, infinite ammo and no reloads' Bosses are the exception, of course, but there have to be limits on it. The newer arc shotty with discord/voltshot hits hard on mobs as well.
Duality should just be reworked to keep it a hip fire shotgun and convert to a special ammo scout rifle for ADS. Without an ammo buff it's just never worth the time/risk in PVE.
I have been using Cerberus +1 thru the Final Shape Campaign on Legend and OMG it feels so good aside from elemental shields. Like a orange bar when using something like Grav Lance feels weak to Cerberus +1
I'm running Fighting Lion on my osmio prismatic warlock setup and it's going great! Lots of auto reloads from the lion when hitting grenade effected targets, volatile chain shatters whatever group of enemies I throw my grenade at. 8 Trancendence activations is 10 waves. Since each enemy is shattering, and volatile, getting lots of energy back.
