Victoria 3: How to Industrialize Early 

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why can't we just charge their master more 🗿

@@Uncle1899 they will be mad

@@Uncle1899 yea should count as like a wealth tax on property or something. Or even a poll tax on the number of property.

Just don't mention colonial exploitation... or the need to sell opium in new markets. 😂 "It's fine guys, I put a sin tax on it..."

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I haven't rewatched it a long time, but that's wild I don't repeat myself at all, considering it was a single cut video lol

@@generalistgaming I mean it does happen now and then but you create the impression that you actually have a script. If not on paper then at least in your head :D

Just pass Mercantilism, bro More seriously, you can try to build your agrarian stuff more in unincorporated states if you start colonizing early, and these will only contribute 50% to the clout.

@@generalistgaming As Japan there is a really easy way to get mercantilism. Just fight GB the first day, they'll want to open your market so just back down. 5 years later you can flip from free trade to mercantilism easily because the shogunate wants it. After that, pass the corn laws.

It's not just the clout, it's also IPT, which is considerably worse for landowners. Also, if you're relatively backward in terms of laws, the plantations do matter quite a bit in terms of clout because of all the positive modifiers the landowners have in laws. Sure, once you get rid of all that it's not too big a deal, but it's a big deal on a lot of starts. I mean the biggest reason is that it's going to still be way more expensive per construction. Each construction center creating more demand overall also stimulates your economy more (since more goods are demanded per construction), allowing more buildings to be more profitable w/o trade.

Glad it helped! Tools is definitely the best finished good to start building.

​@@generalistgaming now the deficit will come from every ai importing thousands of tools to fix their own broken economies

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Demand in the market is overall a positive thing, as it allows/encourages more industries to be profitable (from which you get more benefits than just cheaper construction). I mean there's a lot to unpack in the second paragraph. Getting stuff in place that's going to be better with atmospheric engine has value before you get engine, because you swap faster. The entire supply chain for Iron Frame is also much more, in terms of proportion (and nominally) capitalist than aristocrat, which gives better IPT/clout (you actively also don't want your autoqueue to build a ton of cotton plantations too, over consumer manufactories or wood/iron). If you have a huge income, then sure, you blast wood frame for a little, but you still want to swap fairly quickly. I mean I think you're evaluating it only in terms of construction into construction efficiency, and not considering the amount of money to run all the construction centers, and that this analysis is mistaken and you can't just disregard this. While you have more construction centers you have to pay a ton more in Gov wages for all of them on Wood Frame than you do Iron Frame. I think China might have the most available money at game start? You can put in maybe 20-30 construction centers or something like that on wood frame before swapping becomes better, and that will be waaay before you research water tube boiler.

​@@generalistgaming Usually when I'm switching from wood to iron, I find my most limiting factor to be construction goods cost inflation caused by iron and tools shortages. This tends to not be quite as big a deal once my construction has really taken off and I can build the supply chain fairly quickly, but this generally takes me a while. That being said, construction into construction efficiency is also a money concern, as we can directly tie a given amount of construction output to the amount of money being used to run the construction sector. In this way, since an iron mine 'costs' more construction, it *also* 'costs' more money. In this way, while iron-framed construction sectors themselves really are more money efficient, the actual supply chain itself isn't. Plus you have to consider the fact that it still takes an overall greater amount of time to build the mines. As for the iron mines having value because you can switch them over once you get better PMs, that's true, but you're not considering the opportunity cost. Instead of struggling to keep up with rapidly inflating iron costs you could instead be building lumber mills, which will employ more pops and thus increase demand/spending/gdp faster than iron mines. That also increases the effectiveness of spamming logging camps. If you're using iron-frames, then wood only accounts for a relatively small portion of your construction goods spending- it's better to focus on iron mines. If you're using wood construction, your primary construction goods expense is wood, so by building logging camps you more quickly reduce construction goods costs and end up being able to build even more construction sectors. What's more, logging camps demand relatively lower amounts of other goods. Sure overall demand increases are better in the long run, but don't forget that the government is the one paying for this demand- which is non-optimal. Also, we're talking mostly tooling workshops and coal mines here. So in order to keep iron cheap you also have to build large amounts of other stuff- which, granted, aren't bad exactly, but both coal mines and tooling workshops are much more construction intensive than logging camps. So they get built slower and effectively cost more money. So you expand slower. In contrast, lumber camps take only a fraction of the tooling workshops to supply them with tools. Oh, and of course through all of this, other buildings demand for tools is rapidly increasing, what with precision tooling for furniture factories and sewing machines for textile mills. Driving up the price for tools decreases the profitability of many other buildings and industries, which has an overall worse impact on your economy as SoL, wages, and profits stagnate. In my experience, it's better to wait a little while for your iron mines to get really efficient, and _then_ slowly start changing over to iron framed as you build new iron mines. I can't tell you where exactly the cut off point is, but I personally wait until after I've got condensing engines.

@@Jay2JayGamingPlaying as Great Qing, I’ve found it more efficient to expand rapidly with wood frame construction for longer than other nations.

@@lateralus6512 So, GeneralistGaming actually did what I suggested and created excel spreadsheets with these metrics plugged in, and essentially proved me (and you) right: it's not generally worth it to immediately switch from wood to iron. Now when that point comes exactly is dependent upon your situation. The Great Qing has a massive economy, massive resources, and thus a massive amount of construction sectors- but doesn't start with very many mines pre-built. The Great Qing is therefore one of the nations that takes longest to switch from wood to iron, assuming you're trying to be optimal. However, Generalist has much more up to date information on his channel. Specifically look for his deep dives into various building types like industry. Lots of good math

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I have the entire run of The Healthy Man of Europe in one of my playlists (but on a much earlier release version, so not sure how much it applies), but I don't have a shortened tutorial, nor do I have one for late game eco, which is kinda how you pass the UK at this point. The good places to expand video is mostly applicable I think. If you force the UK to release the British Raj, that will kneecap them a lot - so will releasing England, but that's harder to enforce (landing Raj is easier).

you can trigger a revolution and switch sides to ignore all the tanzimats and their buffs/debuffs and then you can just focus on industrialization and economy to get the healthy man of europe by spamming barracks and trying to go direct wars with british and french

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My understanding is No Migration Controls and Migration Controls are functionally the same when you have Multiculturalism and Total Seperation. But often this game does weird stuff/has bugs, so I generally don't bother swapping from No Migration Controls to Migration controls once I get Multiculturalism. In theory it would be better to swap back though, for the IG approval you get from having the law.

@@generalistgaming Also the journal entry New Colossus requires no migration control I’m pretty sure

I combine both usually on hegemony runs, cause when you conquer many foreign states it ensures that those people won’t be discriminated. But on the other hand, I can be safe that no “unwanted” people crossing my borders. So, the one law - multi - relates to the people IN YOUR COUNTRY, while total separation keeps people from other countries OUTSIDE. At least from my understanding.

@@shippoboy__ good shout!

@@zoolanderXXL I don't know what weed you are smoking but the laws do what it says in the description. Multiculturalism makes no culture discriminated in your country. Total separation makes no religion discriminated in your country. The chance you get targeted for a migration event is drastically lower if those pops would end up discriminated in your country. You get absolutely no outside migration at all unless you are the target of a cultural migration. By outside migration I mean migration from outside your market. Migration control says it doesn't allow discriminated pops to migrate in or out. If you have both Multiculti and Total Separation you don't have any discriminated pops so it shouldn't be in effect. Might stop cultural migration targetting but I'm not sure.

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@@generalistgaming i ended up having a higher gdp/c then France, Prussia, Britain, and the USA without ever joining a customs union. the main problem is infrastructure as i built alot in one state (thats all i really had until mid-game with colonization)

@@Sir_Wave the Metropolitain RR event can help a lot with the infra.

@@generalistgaming how can i get the event or is it just random chance

@@Sir_Wave I forgot the preconditions to make it appear in the journal, but it's not random, no. I think it's something like needing steel rail carts, electic rrs, and also a trade route in the capital?

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Never stop referring to *what* as chop-chops?

Generally you don't want to be switching back to wooden, because iron is more efficient, but, perhaps I didn't note this in the video, you don't want to swap all your construction centers over simultaneously, just a little bit at a time, which will make the inputs expensive. If things are becoming too expensive you want to stop swapping over construction centers and build the inputs (iron, tools, stuff), then, once they're cheap again, swap/build more construction centers. If you're running out of money AND the goods are already cheap, then you build clothes, which will be super profitable, which means they'll give you a lot for the investment pool transfer, which pays for the goods for construction. Idk it's like baking a cake or w/e - you don't want to pour all the flour (ie, construction) in at once.

@@generalistgaming excellent answer and comparison, much clearer for me now, thanks!

I highly recommend spreading out your construction sectors at least a little bit. It is much easier to switch 4 size 1 or 2 size 2 construction sectors (each of them consumes 50 iron, that's as much as 2,5 mines with the basic pm), than trying to switch a 4 stack sector all at once. Stacking your construction sectors has its benefits if you plan to build a lot of buildings in one/few states in the near future, but don't let that benefit hurt the transition.

@@alexandererhard2516 ^ this pretty much. I generally like building a single construction center tall in the capital, and spreading the rest out in incorporated states pretty evenly, slightly taller where I have Iron and Coal (in the early game) as the mines will be built up pretty high.

It's hard to give an exact number, but as fast as possible. I think you can probably do the same opener I did w/ my Spain run and piggyback on the UK's war vs Great Qing to take Beijing and war reps right off the start, and the war reps will do a lot to fund construction.

​@@generalistgamingwar reps from Qing are such a huge boost

Try to get into a European GP's customs union (UK probs best) w/ open borders/not discriminating against their pops. (Doing a large volume of trade w/ a single GP should help facilitate this). Your provinces should have an underpopulated modifier for migration attraction, so you should be able to siphon off pops pretty easily.

I don't have a top end rig, but it's okay? The most important component (from my understanding) is the CPU (I think I'm a gen behind the latest Ryzen or w/e). Hardware is def not my area of expertise here though

Memory is key in the late game, as I've learned. When I topped up from 16 to 32 GB Memory, the late game save game worked remarkably better for me.

I've been putting together notes for an updated tutorial set following 1.5, because a lot has changed

You should swap luxury. The PM is more efficient, and adds value to your economy w/o requiring more construction. It's worth driving up demand for silk that the auto queue will probs build. Once you can trade you want to import from China

I like parliamentary republic and wealth voting until you get human rights, then, once you get the tech, going census suffrage, which will pop the path to liberalism event (you need the intelligentsia/market liberal/ radical in gov) chain and (assuming you have a nonmarginalized Trade Union) you can go multiculturalism. Off the top of my head I think the best laws from the remaining categories are: Total Separation, Elected Bureaucrats, Pro Army and Guaranteed Libs. I also have a vid on the laws in my tutorial series. It's before 1.2, but I think it should be mostly applicable?

@@generalistgaming could you link to the law video youre reffering to? thanks for the help.

@@StaatsAttackk here it is: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R0msWDDDlUI.html - not entirely up to date, but I think a good foundation for how to think about things.

Honestly I'm still uncovering info about the game, so I feel the same way lol

Yes, but I don't consider this "early." Once you get Publicly Traded, then keeping stuff off of being agrarian is still important, but much less so

I'm guessing the problem you might be having is not having negative relations with the target. If you zoom out, click on a country and then click interactions (I think) you can scroll down and look at diplomatic plays. If you hover them it will tell you why you can't do them.

You must declare interest in the area. Id recommend looking at a guide for this. You're only a few steps to American Cuba 🤑

Iron is tough, but you should focus on wood, and maybe try to pick up Zululand into Transvaal? I'd need better context I think. Maybe just anyplace w/ iron is fine. The problem is you'll have negative construction efficiency for a while, so building wood and importing iron and focusing on clothes/tools is probably good If you don't have iron, joining a customs union is good - it's not ALWAYS good tho You're welcome!

I played a lot

Labor saving PMs help to increase the avg wage multiplier and SoL and provide you w/ new peasants to rid yourself of

Huh?

@@generalistgaming I got distracted a few times when I watched the video... But I'm sure it has an advice like that, more or less. - P.S. I'm joking ^^

with 80% literacy????

It ain't much, but it's honest work.

@@generalistgaming I feel like this is a Star Wars 3 meme… is it possible (w 1.5) to achieve this power?? Haha I didn’t even see the GDP either, out of all the videos I’ve seen of yours, you’re Victoria GURU

Idk, in terms of geopolitical strength, the earlier industrializers seem to be doing good. Ofc that's not the only metric - there seems to be a backslide in IRL QoL lol

@@generalistgaming in vic3 right now, one who annxes oil provincesin the best one off. can't wait until investment into foreign powers is finally implemented, no more starving for oil late game

"In the rich man's house, there is no place to spit but in his face"

@@generalistgaming XD

Eat your vegetables!

Lmao, imagine telling someone what their subjective experience and taste is

@@generalistgaming why are there so many mixed reviews? why is the player count dropping so low? are u getting paid to play that shitty game by paradox?