The biggest problem with kdenlive is not the bugs or the UI, that is bareable. But one of the worst aspects of it is the UX, it is clearly made by software developers who arent artists themselves. The calibration of sliders is terrible and always results in overblown effects. The scrolling, playing and rolling the footage is unintuitive and just plain bad. And dont get me started on the workflow, it just feels uncomfortable when compared to freemimum products like Da Vinchi resolve or even FOSS apps like shotcut
When I first used Kdenlive it was indeed buggy, slow, crashy and would even do unexpected things. That was 10 years ago though. Things have changed a lot since then. Now I see this software quite the opposite. It's now stable, swift and easy to use. It's a very respectable software that I greatly admire now.
Not a Video editor myself (although some yrs ago, i was certified to use Adobe Premiere) This is one area where systems and graphics needs to be fast (very fast at times), and stable. And being on Arch, unless you make sure your compositor (Looking at you, Picom) settings are stable and good to go, it should work out ok. But there are many choices of software of video editors, and if clients who has the budget, they should even buy Pro software under linux for Production work. Btw, here to say, Good job in adding the BSOD screen in your vid. Remind them, why we switched. Peace :-)
I would think when doing video editing you NEED a higher end system with good hardware. OS should not matter when using 3rd party software as long as it runs and runs stable.
Shotcut's pretty featureful but the playback's laggy ngl, even if I use proxies or enable hardware acceleration, and my computer's pretty high end so yeahhh but it's still good if you don't mind that. Edit: nvm my problem was that I made a video setting with low FPS my fault shotcut's actually pretty smooth after resolving that issue
I used Kdenlive to edit a skateboarding video in 2006 and it crashed soooo much back then. I had to save after every single little change. I started using it again in 2023 and it's been rock solid. It's very mature now.
10:27 To paraphrase JFK: “Ask not what Open Source can do for you, ask what you can do for Open Source”. The products don’t create themselves: behind each open-source project is a community that is contributing to it and keeping it alive.
The main issue is that very few end users who wants to contribute has skills and abilities required to build or improve the FLOSS upon source codes. Learning so took really long time and on variably mixed results At best they could only donate
... which is why, an end user who would want to do some advanced video editing, whose work would require to treat the software as an extension of themselves and be able to churn out visually stunning work, will not care about stuff like that. They want to pay -> use a tool that is very capable -> do their work. I wasted hundreds of hours editing on linux a long time ago, and I regret all of it.
The only bug I've had was using a certain curve tool that caused crashes on Linux Mint (on my laptop and PC build). The workflow and design is clunky too. Being a semi-pro photographer/videographer, as in a good portion of my income comes from providing those services, I have Windows on my PC build for Davinci Resolve. Affinity Photo and ON1 Photo Raw. I've been quite happy with Darktable and Gimp though and I greatly enjoy Linux Mint on my laptop. It's nice having longer battery life, better response and the thing not having the fans running full blast because of some random Windows service doing something in the background.
I've had a great experience in Kdenlive for the past year I've used it. No issues for my install on EndeavourOS. You've also reminded me I should donate to them.
I am going to start learning video editing from Linux later today or tomorrow. I'll try kdenlive. Wish me luck. I have zero video editing experience. Update: I did as I said. It was awesome. I can't say that I am really good, but it is definitely enough for me to use at the moment.
Small UI bugs on Kdenlive once drove me crazy, like missing letters and whatnot. But other than that, I like it a lot. It's quite a stable experience for me to edit my 20-minute coding tutorials. I did purchase a Lightworks license for better performance but man, the memory consumption is so high (over 19GB), and it has been crashing due to OOM like ten times a week. It seems like a Linux-specific memory leak problem as on Windows the memory usage bounces between 3-8GB. Considering trying out Davinci Resolve for my next project.
Just give me a way to install and use DaVinci with just one click or just one command and I will go for linux full time. Now there is no point for me for struggling with issues - DaVinci works or not, you need to instal something before DaVinci, then make deb package, then install or change somthing else, and even then you might face some issues like "full gpu memory", also nvidia problems... I'm done. I really wish to use linux but it is not possible for me - I have to waste too much time on solving problems.
I was looking for something like Vegas, because it looks like the ONLY popular editing software that is intuitive to use (nothing more horrible than adobe in this matter). Kdenlive is the closest one. Also, unlike "industry standards", its performance is acceptable, whereas adobe won't even render a preview if you don't run it on ssd or something. (And some people pay for that, omg)
I tried kdenlive on Windows and made several videos with it, but I found it buggy and kind of laggy when scrolling through the timeline. I felt like every complex edit I made was a hack due to the weird interface design and getting NVENC encoding working was difficult. I was really happy to transition to DaVinci Resolve, which has a way more intuitive interface and way smoother on my system.
@EricMurphyxyz Can you tell me how to import a complete video VOB file into Kdenlive in order to edit it. The clip imports but only runs for about 9 minutes (clip should run far longer in reality). Thanks.
I have started using Linux for a month now and I choose Fedora Workstation as my permanent OS after some research as I don’t like distro-hopping. I have installed KDE Plasma deskrop and I am loving it more than Windows. Windows made me lazy and using command line has its own charm because I started my computer life with MS-DOS and we had to use command line almost all the time. Now, regarding video editing on Linux, I tried almost everything, within my safezone (because I cannot afford to loose my data if something goes wrong), to install and run Davinci Resolve in Fedora which did not work. So, I stopped wasting my time and now have started to learn Kdenlive. I believe I will be able to pick up very quickly. @Eric Murphy, thanks for this confidence boisting video. ❤
I strongly disagree with the statement that "video editing on Linux SUCKS". In fact, video editing in the vfx/cgi/post industry has always been very authentic in the Linux environment, probably the most of them all ( ok, Unix/Irix ). Post / Inferno, Flame, Flint, Smoke, Nuke, Resolve,... 3D / Maya, Houdini, Softimage, Mari, Substance, ... What exactly are you missing in terms of tools?
I think when people say something sucks on Linux, what they mean is that the software they can get for free isn't good. Hardly any hobbyist will afford Autodesk or The Foundry software. The problem with Resolve in particular seems to be that it doesn't run on some distros and even if it does, it lacks many important codecs like H.264, including in the paid Studio version. It might also have hardware requirements that are beyond what people have, not sure.
Kdenlive is my go to as I break Davinci Resolve. It literally always work, had no idea anyone have had issues with it. What to even use on Windows? Everything cost your dinner to use there.
@@bilalazhar4495that’s not true at all. Programs like Nuke and Houdini have full linux support and actually run 10% to 20% faster on Linux. Most serious studios run linux
I've been watching one of my friends do twitch livestreams where they kept using KdenLive (on Windows) to edit and the thing would repeatedly freeze for long periods of time or crash. To be fair, I've never seen him edit with anything else to see if it's better, but I think personally I'd favor doing video editing in Blender. ... Except, video rendering times in Blender tend to be absolutely abysmal and I have no idea why.
It sucks being in the 1% that needs these niches while also being very interested in Linux. I've been wondering if I should just run everything like this through a VM with GPU passthrough like SomeOrdinaryGamers does. Personally I do a lot of audio engineering, composing, mixing, mastering and all of that stuff. I also did some professional image editing, but I found Krita to be better than the alternatives all together, so that was nice. Ableton, indie games, and the fear of losing my files are my 3 biggest issues with fully switching to Linux. So, for now, I've only been playing around with arch in a VM.
Does Kdenlive has an API to write a script for it like the ability to interact with gimp or Blender with Python, I'm thinking something like adding a marker in front of every clip with a single command.
Kdenlive _is_ buggy if you have huge timelines. If your timelines are simple you won't encounter many issues, but if they're complex then you'll have some _nasty_ shuffling of your timelines.
The whole CGI-VFX existed for UNIX way before Windows, it was always meant to be that way, Windows just happened to be cheaper and locked with overbearing licenses. I’m happy to see how the industry is “coming back home”.
Thanks for this. Any challenges you've encountered with editing 4K panoramic videos (for example, holiday videos) or would that just come down to the hardware?
Hello, I am new to the world of Arch. I have tried to copy some design but I have not been able to do it. If at any time you can make a quick installing guide on how to install Arch and customize a design 🙏
i got recommended this while im on a windows virutal machine so i can edit. davinci resolve is horrific to get to work on both linux and windows, so i just got premiere. linux has a long way to go with video editing
I've also had a bad experience with buggy kdenlive, however it is a couple of years back and I think it's a general issue with media libraries on some Distributions, also had much more bugs with OBS on some Linux distros (like Ubuntu, which generally is pretty stable). And GIMP UI / workflow / tools are definitely not good in usability. I use it for years now not often, but as the only photo editor and I still not fully got used to it.
idk why kdenlive gets a bad wrap i used it recently and it's honestly so good i uninstalled davinci on windows mostly for the fact of free AV1 rendering it's just as good as resolve but without the looks and i mean who cares i find i even have more features in kden.
I use blender for video editing in Linux and it's not that bad, I prefer to use Davinci Resolve but it does not work well in most of the systems (distros) unless you tweak the Kernel and i don't like KDEnlive.
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I appreciate the tone of the video, but I disagree with the conclusion. You are essentially saying that the only way to edit videos on Linux is to rely on just one program. And what If it goes back to being really unstable? The pitiful roster of Linux video editors has not progressed significantly over the years. I have been following video editors on Linux closely for years, and except for Blender's VSE everything else is almost unusable. Glad that Kdenlive works for you, I wish there was evidence you are not in the minority. Either way, one functional video editor that still crashes after decades of development (which is absolutely not normal) means that video editing on Linux is actually terrible.
@@EricMurphyxyz Thank you for responding! Yeah, I watched it. I wish you would take this video down, because it misleads people. Or pin a comment saying you no longer agree. Or rename the video. The problem with the vid is its framing. You use it to make a sweeping statement about video editing on Linux in general, and that's the misleading bit. You know what I mean? If it's more like "Kdenlive is an acceptable editor", sure, it is a satisfactory tool. Not in any way competitive to its proprietary alternatives, not good, just satisfactory. But if kdenlive being satisfactory is used to say that video editing on linux is not terrible, that's misleading. 8 years ago I made a video on OpenShot (under the moniker Bad Geek), because OpenShot and the MLT library are probably the worst things that happened to video editing on Linux. And that it hasn't really progressed since then is just amazing to me.
Davinci Resolve and a ton of its software/hardware from Black Magic Design is made for Linux so I think these "it's not professional" is complete horseshit. BMD is a major manufacturer for video editing in the film industry. You don't get more professional than that.
@@LevizanovLevDrums Reaper is a decent enough DAW for windows. I can't remember it being easily available for linux. I'm going to guess there will be some work involved?
It's still in pre-release alpha, so don't use it for anything critical. But Olive 0.2 is the most usable NLE on Linux for me personally in terms of worlflow. Highly recommended for anybody interested in video editing to give it a spin.
I used Olive 0.1 for a long time but 0.2 never worked for me after trying multiple times. Way too alpha, but I hope someday it will be ready for prime time
6:20 "Gimp still doesn't have non destructive layer editing" Wait. what? it's had Layer Masks for over a decade at least. 6:22 "You're still not able to move layers at the same time, unless you put them in a group" You just link the layers. In the layer stack you click the chain icon next to the visibility of two layers and you'll move both. I guess this could be a case of 'Well those are work arounds'? I don't know if Photoshop does those things differently I don't use it but Gimp literally does those things...
kdenlive es buen programa y si tienes hardware de amd es mucho mejor , tengo la mala suerte de tener nvidia 1030 pero he logrado hacer que pueda renderiza
All creative software, apart from 3D modelling, has been a worse experience for me on Linux than on Windows. The reason why 3D modelling software hasn't is because it universally sucks.
I have to say this video is a shining example of the Linux community. The people that constantly praise Linux constantly repeats the phrase "it just works in Linux" seem to always miss the whole point. Linux does not come close to "just works". Linux does "just work" if you do not want any customization or something specific like video acceleration. A little search and you will find massive amounts of people trying to get video drivers (mostly AMD to be exact) to work with Linux either for gaming, video editing, or even just to get acceleration for watching videos. It is just annoying at the propaganda that is put out about Linux only to have people try to make the switch and find themselves constantly being frustrated because Linux is not as customizable and capable as they were led to believe. To get into Linux, one must get good with combing through RU-vid videos, Google searching, combing through old Forums, and praying old information still works in the updated Linux in order to accomplish what they want. Linux is time consuming to get it to the way you finally learn how you can use it. Video Editing is another one of those topics. Most people hate the way Video Editing is in Linux because they want to take advantage of the video acceleration. If you cannot use video acceleration due to your hardware and you know it before you even attempt to get it to work, then you are just fine sticking with KdenLive.
I've got resolve working very well on my desk (nv rtx 2060 super with amg cpu) on wayland with no probs and x11 on arch linux.... I also got it working on my laptop with intel 965 gpu and also on wayland in manjaro with no problems ... just setup hwaccel. properly and that is it
