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VIktor staged a coup and made the laws himself to the point where he could rewrite history, but he seemed answerable to the council no matter how many times they were destroyed. He basically made the laws and rules and was powerful enough but got trapped by them in his own mind. What I never understood is why not just keep markus as a mummy safely locked away once he took the chain. Maybe have amelia so he could take a break if he wanted, but wouldn't it have made himself safer in his mind to have what he believed to be the source whom he'd already screwed over, on ice like william?
The very first is absolutely my favorite. There are better books, but not any better movie vampires and story that allows the mind to suspend disbelief.
@@ellis219redriot3 wel yes and no,no victor isnt a vampire hybrid not like michael and marcus but he is a human second generation bat hybrid. a vampire by the definition of underworld is a human/bat hybrid,just like lycons are human/wolf hybrids.
WHAT’S THIS RUCKUS! Bill Nighy’s portrayal of Viktor is one of the best, if not the best, vampires in cinema history. I would love to see a film with more backstories of Viktor & the other elders. The book Blood Enemy would be great material to adapt in to a film or series. That could be a start to a revival of the Underworld franchise.
viktor was the epitome of a devoted and ruthless leader, such a natural at it that he commanded respect and fear from even the original vampire. one of my favorite characters of all time.
I think Victors obsession with the "blood line" simply stems from the fact that he had seen what Werewolves where capable of (they are savage beasts) AND the fact that he was of noble blood originally. As was Markus, and Alexander before him. The vampires Victor created where obviously of his court and his generals etc etc. (Sure.... William too, but he was a mad beast....) And well, he knew Lycans where stronger than Vampires (William WAS more powerful than Markus etc). The blending of the species would be a threat to his own power.
@@viktor-os6yu absolutely. We've seen that it takes a lycan of serious size or amazing capabilities to even be able to hang against selene even in the first movie. Markus was the literal first and strongest vampire, and by the time he was woken up, he was leveled up extremely. William would still put up a hell of a fight and do a lot of damage, but I give the edge to Markus because he has complete control over his abilities where William doesn't
@@mitchjames9350Vampires powers are always on, and therefore harder to detect. Werewolves, much the same plus bloodlust. Lycans? Lycans have to transform to fully use their powers and they are mostly sane. Its just a matter of ease of control.
wel victor was good for 1 thing and thats maintaining order and some form of balance,but like always lies eventualy come out and it all comes crumbling down.
When you consider Feudal society, it makes sense that Viktor was obsessed with bloodlines since that was one of the ways rank was achieved when Viktor was alive. He behaved just like a feudal warlord which is what he was when he was turned.
Some people say that Emilia was always the one to awaken Marcus so that he did not get victors blood memories, but if victor and Emilia were working together to undermine Marcus he would have read Emilia’s blood memories and found out anyway. It’s more likely that the elders can control their blood memories only showing what they want the others to see when awakening
Selene says that the elders can sort their memories specifically when they rotate. Viktor mentions selenes memories are chaotic and no concept of time BC she cant do that so id assume they just dont pass those memories to mar us
@@Demos_Jeff Victor is very similar to Harkon, and his relationship to his daughter is very similar to Harkon and Serana. In addition the vampire lord form is just straight up the exact same as Marcus' bat form.
I just found it so absurd that Viktor, a vampire elder with the ability to access blood memories, didn’t even try to drink Kraven’s blood to verify and confirm Lucian’s death. You bite your own daughter to verify your suspicions against Lucian but don’t do the same to Kraven to verify his claim, like make it make sense lmao. That’s one of the things i never understood throughout the series.
Bill Nighy needs to be held in the same regard as all the other great vampire movie actors of old like Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. He was also GREAT in Dracula Untold as the ancient "master" vampire from the cave.
Here's something I never thought of before. If Marcus told Viktor that all the vampire descendants would die if he died, why have William locked away and not just kill him, then lock Marcus away so he couldn't commit suicide and "end the line"(so Viktor thought). It would kill 2 birds with one stone, getting rid of Marcus and also destroying the warewolf bloodline. It would have been a great strategic move because when he killed William, as we know, it wouldn't have killed the warewolf bloodline so he would know that killing Marcus wouldn't end the vampire bloodline. It's a win-win move.
Good theory but victor has a reason to be cautious because werewolves and vampires are different and have different mechanisms about themselves. While killing William may not end the werewolves bloodline maybe killing Marcus will end the vampire lineage.
2 big reasons ego and fun,victor quickly realized he could have fun with lycons,i mean without lycans there is nothing to hunt for sport because humans are to weak for a challange. so for fun he experimented to see what he could do with lycans and he found out they where good slaves,as for not sealing marcus away wel i dont know maybe dispite everything he grew a respect for marcus?
Victor was jus too scared to do put killing William or Marcus to the test..the movies showed this..tho he had good reason not to..he needed his daytime slaves in the werewolves and then eventually lycans..bt also he hated the thought of losing his power and influence as top dawg.. I mean the army was his ..he wouldn't want everyone thinking Marcus was his superior..I mean he literally betrayed Marcus wen they caught William because he had his own ambitions..and all the "malicious lies" he had tanis exiled for were actually true..so victor was running one the biggest cover ups in the underworld series.. don't get me wrong I do love him bt I hate him at the same time..a very well play antagonist..
One hybrid isn't a problem. HE can kill one. The rest of the vampires would have a very rich time doing so, so it would be tough to beat several, couple that with the fact that the bloodline would become diluted or for lack of a better word contaminated.
I was a huge fan of Lucien. Underworld rise of the lycans was probably the best of the franchise. Victor is pretty boss too. I wonder who would've won in a fight in the first movie, lucien or victor?
I agree! I go back and forth with rise of the lycans and the first movie being the best. They are both so good. And that’s a good question! Lucian was shown kinda overpowering victor when he broke out of the chains in his lycan form. I think it’s possible in his lycan form Lucian would at least put up a really good fight!
I personally think Lucien would win, as he doesn't hibernate like victor. Lucien would've just improved his skills and tactics for hundred's of years increasing in strength possibly too. Victor waking up from his lil nap might play in effect too.
Viktor would absolutely destroy Lucian! He was the strongest Vampire except for Markus. Look what he did to Raze, easily held his neck with one hand and then snapped his back with ease. He's is way to old and strong!
i think victor would win fairly easy he even won from hybrid michael,but wel if lucians plays very tactical he could get the upperhand and win but in terms of overall prowess victor wins.
@@michaelfacchini1175 Viktor would NOT absolutely destroy Lucian. You have to remember that Lucian was also trained to fight very well. The other Lycans were nothing compared to him, Michael wouldn't even be able to take him down.
I think underworld had the hallmarks of a fantastic franchise, its lore was detailed and great, the only downside was its budget. If it had proper funds then if could have been even greater.
I think they would have been fine with the budget they had. The downfall came when the director starts sleeping with a female co-star and changes the movie to focus more on the Selene character. You can tell by how clumsily the story felt that the Selene/Michael love story was forced in. It just threw everything off. And the main character, Lucien, was barely a supporting character. And each sequel was worse than the last. This franchise has tons of potential but we'll never see what it was meant to be
also not center around Selene who was a pretty a gender politics and usual Hollywood action thriller which if we are honest, Underworld was unique because of the politics.
@@vegetabriefs2841 think about it Marcus lied to Viktor saying if he died they all die. Also they were doing the sleeping cycle Marcus could’ve easily killed Viktor and Amelia while they slept during his reign
@@MONKEYSCHANNEL327 I agree about plotholes but remember in evolution awakening blood wars at times salene was about to move super fast to kill when she wanted too pretty sure Marcus could also do the same. And like I said he could’ve killed them while they slept shit Kraven was gonna kill all three of them
its possable there are vampire on victors lv that are unknown to exist by everyone in the underworld world except for marcus he new they existed before he died,and that could be a fun idee for more sequal movies.
My favorite part of this series is when it's revealed that Kraven lied to save his own skin. Like you guys are surprised that the dude named coward, turns out to be, in fact, a coward? No wander y'all can't win a, at times, severely one-sided war. Morons. Like Viktor should have taken that tattooed piece of skin and been like, 'Where the rest at?' It's not like werewolves disintegrate upon death like vampires, who also only do that if its ultraviolet light. And if the thought is that he barely escaped with his life after his whole squad got wiped, then why not take the head or the whole arm. Taking off a small pierce of skin seems like it'd be harder and more time consuming.
Victor is without a doubt the most iconic antagonist in the Underworld Franchise. Not just because he is in more than one movie. But his performance by Bill Nighy is just fantastic.
Seems like rise of the lycans would be a proper first movie to watch in this series instead of the first underworld. I've seen all of them and I think that would make things fit together better honestly.
But how "Amelia" an elder vampire got easily slaughtered by only a couple of wolves.????. If victor was there lm sure he would have slaughtered them instead...
No one help them during the ambushed since there’s a conspiracy going between Lucian and Kraven to assasinate the vampire coven. They were only left with body guards and swarmed by the Lycans and vampire traitors alike.
He's got that I'm better than you thing to a fine point. I fully believe him to be a king descended from kings. A great and obvious choice by the film makers. 👍👍
A passionate, ruthless, pragmatic,cunning, sagacious and altruistic leader par excellence. "I did what was necessary to protect the species,as I am forced to do yet again".
I mean... Victor wanting to keep William in prison forever, while keeping his kind, vampires, going on to prosper... seems like a great idea. The werewolves were uncontrollable, and infectious immortal beings. Get rid of them
Werewolves were that way was until Lucian was born and the Lycan breed was created. There was no need to keep them as prisoners since they still had their human intelligence and did hurt anyone unless they choose to. Lycans had full control over their actions. Victor just looked at all breeds of werewolves as inferior and of course there’s a chance he can be overthrown with the lycans being free so he kept them as slaves.
Bro viktor is the strongest non enhanced vampire in the franchise bro the guy held a lycan by its throat without no effort and dispatched with just a punch and a sword to the chest
i just think Viktor was more powerful than Marcus himself. Marcus was having some difficulties while fighting Michael,they were both already hybrids. while Viktor fighting Michael,he didn't even have anydifficulties
The reason why Victor had more success than Marcus was Victor had many times more fighting experience then Marcus Marcus was in Slumber for most of that time and Michael was still new to his hybrid abilities and was a fighter by any means as trained as Victor
In my opinion ... Viktor IS/WAS Underworld. Selene was the protagonist but lets be honest ... without Viktor the story would be not really that good and interesting. For me he is the face of the franchise.
In my Opinion Viktor is the most powerful of the vampires, even more so than Markus. While Markus is the first vampire, like Michael, Viktor has far more experience than he in combat. He's also a great leader, who knows what pieces to move on the chessboard. Markus is just a primal killer. Although they don't always see eye to eye, he has a tremendous respect for Viktor for these very reason. I think Amelia should have played a much much bigger role in these films.
Viktor literally brought the whole destruction of the Corvinus. Markus was so blinded by his brothers affliction that he let Viktor roam free and do whatever he wanted. While he was making sense, he was making things move the way he wanted, not the way that Markus wanted. Sure, hes a stickler to rules but he often breaks em. An example of his cunning was his reign. During his reign, he deals with the Council and making it seem like everyone's voices are heard and yet he creates his entire sect as people loyal to him. During the 2nd movie, it was only then where they reached a stalemate but cam easily remedied if Sonja wasnt screwing around. So all in all, he controlled everything and was just appeasing Markus whenever he bugs with about saving William (which prompted him on creating a prison for him). So many covenants that were free from Viktor's grasp that weren't so awful and the vampires weren't seen as villains but rather peculiar beings or to be hunted down for experiments. So he truly is a plain old villain but his complexity makes him appear that he has depth but he's rather 1 dimensional.
This was an Incredible Masterpiece Origin Video for My All Time Favorite Character and Antagonist’s in The Underworld Film Series. Viktor is My Second Favorite Role for Bill Nighy. Viktor may have been a Villain at Heart but he does have the ability to Love and his relationship with Sonja and Selene is one of The Reasons why I Love Victor’s Character. Bill Nighy’s Performance as Davy Jones is The Reason I got into The Underworld Films and his Performance Didn’t Disappoint and he Truly Carried this Franchise on his Back.
If Viktor and Amelia conspire against Marcus, why awaken him (Marcus) from his slumber? The 2 other Elder could have kept Marcus underground for Eternity 🤔
Also Viktor seems to take his given word seriously. He resorts to loophole abuse in imprisoning William but let him live because he gave his word. So in much the same way he probably took his covenant with Marcus very seriously. He was pissed with Selene for breaking the chain.
@@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682 Viktor is clearly grateful for Marcus saving his life and making him immortal and will not harm Marcus in that regard, but he conspired with Emilia to take out Willam due to Marcus being to emotionally attached to his brother (who is clearly a mad monster). He imprisons him and doesn't let Marcus know where because Marcus isn't capable of being level headed when it comes to his brother. Hell, Marcus even murders his own father for not having helped him get William released. Alexander Corvinus was capable of understanding that William had to be locked away due to how dangerous he is.
Probably because they know somebody loyal to him would probably sneak and wake him up like Selene did with Viktor and he would awake with rage and vengeance toward them after he finds out how long he's been in hibernation not to mention the council would start investigating and asking questions.
One thing I could only wish to Viktor is he would be like Prince Vlad of Dracula Untold, accepting immortality in hope to protect his family against those who desire to take away from him. I appreciate your video and studying his origins alike other Underworld characters, thank you!
What I'd be interested in learning, is what happened to the rest of the true werewolves after rise of the lycans. Presumably they were hunted into extinction by death dealers and maybe even some intrepid human hunters, but (at least in the films, never checked out any other media) its never truly explained.
A Half vampire can live form when it’s bitten say at 26 years old, can live up to 7,000 years and because it’s a half vampire and not full, it can go into the sun and not be affected.(unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A basic vampire can live from The time it is bitten say at 26 years old, can live up to 55,000 thousand years old.(unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A true vampire from when it’s been say at 26 human years old, can live up to 210,000 years old. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A evolved half vampire can live from when it’s bitten say at 26 human years old, can live up to 1.8 million years old. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A basic evolved vampire can live from the time it is bitten say at 26 years old, can live up to 10.7 million years. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A true evolved vampire can live from the time it’s bitten say 26 human years old, can live up to 35 million years old. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A half elder vampire can live from the time it’s been say 26 human years old, It can live up to 90 million years old. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A basic elder vampire can live from the time it is bitten say 26 human years old, it can live up to 207 million years old. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A true elder vampire can live from the time it is bitten say 26 human years old, can live up to 1.8 billion years old. (unless it’s killed and disposed of properly it can live longer) A half hybrid elder vampire/werewolf can live from the time it is bitten say 26 human years old, up to 207 years old.(but its strength can easily and I mean effortlessly destroy a true elder vampire, that has millions of years of experience)(A half hybrid elder vampire/werewolf cannot be killed by its heart or a spine or its head being ripped off of its body because of its immense regeneration)
The last 2 underworld were crap BUT I would love to see a underworld film when the vampires and werewolfs have and war and the leader of each group makes the peace pact
The collars were around their neck to prevent transformations, they wouldn't kill the Lycan, they'd weaken them. Hence why the Death Dealers shoot silver darts into Lucien's back.
In the first movie ( the best) Victor was seemingly invincible antagonist. A menacing threat. Being MUCH older than any lycan he should be. Then in Rise of the Lucan’s he suddenly nerfed seemingly to make Lucius the hero more likable to the audience. This was $#&*. Seeing Lucius fight and struggle against a overwhelming foe is much more dramatic than the underwhelming fight at the end where Lucius is not only unafraid of but convincingly defeats him in a one on one battle which he would never attempt in the first movie. Unless he wasn’t expecting to survive.
