Villagers can no longer be cured repeatedly. And people are mad. 

what ara 'mastar baaks'? [sarry far my anglash, at as cantaanang taa many a's]

phoeniggs xc

And yes, you can only get a great discount from curing once now

I like this snapshot

finally a fix to the villager meta

I belive when u cure a villager the cured villager will have it permanent or olmost permanent put when u cure a villager other villagers around it will olso give a discount and even if the effect disapears u can just cure it again and it will be back thats why i think it should be nerfed

@@kennycoolll6998 you can look it up on the wiki, there is both a permanent discount for the villager only and a temporary discount that can get shared between villagers. I personally dont think that the temporary discount is op since in a lot of tradehalls this discount cant be shared due to no line of sight between the villagers, and next to that curing villagers over and over again is just a hasle that gets annoying real fast.

@@kennycoolll6998 the temporary discount also applies to the cured villager, the OP comment is correct. that will eventually decay, but it gets even more complicated than that. The regularity with which you trade a villager can also apply discounts, or increase the prices depending

While you're right, the temporary boost is tiny compared to the permanent boost. At most it would rise to 2, MAYBE 3

I thought that was due to supply and demand if you kept buying from them-

ah yes, child labour

I think getting hero of the village multiple times would be a great alternative. That way you could lower the prices of all your villagers at once.

We need emerald sandwiches in the game now

I’d see that as a good compromise. Buff another mechanic they want players to grind, which still gives the same benefits as the feature they are looking to remove so the players don’t get super steamed

That could be how it stacks, each one adds a lasting discount instead of repeating one multiple times

ench table

@@ukyoize good luck getting mending on an ench table

I suggested a similar idea a while back in the minecraft ideas subreddit

​@@galoomba5559fishing

​@@CatNyaGamingI don't think it's good game design if the most efficient way to get decent enchantments is by not playing the game

actually this is a great idea, kind of similar to how terraria npcs work

I think the intent was to make people actually use the "hero of the village" buff from raids. Which basically drops all prices to their cheapest possible without any curing or other painful stuff.

This is gonna be a bloody pain. I have been part of several smp's and let me tell you building a villager trader is a giant pain. If this were to be implemented Minecraft would starting diminishing in players. The netherite update was painful enough but this will make it like playing a silly dating game or Sims. I don't personally love that.

@@Wanderer515 i've been in SMPs since 1.8, i know how all of this worked before and how it does now. Every couple of updates, mojang changes something that the community took for granted but adds a separate way of going about it. My suggestion wouldn't impact existing trading halls, but would simply reward the players who let the villagers exist on proper houses. Also, the netherite upgrade us in my opinion no different from smp nether wart monopolies

@@asierx7047 If it doesn’t force players to do so I’m chill with it. This would be pretty good for more casual players

I think they should rework how trades are cycled so you cant just reroll the deals you get offered forever at any time you want

it should cost emeralds

@@squidbad then people will just breed villagers until they get the trades they want, you dont fix the underlying issues caused by other parts of the game you just make the grind worse and longer

@@Templarfreak isn't that how it worked pre 1.14?

If you're isolating the villager COMPLETELY, along with nearby villagers, you should have 0 issue getting them to instantly retake the profession I've not had that issue except with nearby villagers, but boxing them all in stops that

You also can't get level 5 enchantments apparently

well it's still experimental so don't go ballistic just yet, and also i think that's what they're planning to do.

😂😂😂 we abused a bug for too long cry cry please don’t fix it cry… man up losers

You tell me what’s better than a diamond chest for 1 emerald 😂

​@@mag3slay4whatever it's a single player game, don't like something? don't use it

It's "resolved". They are removing it in a future version. Not "confirmed" or "works as intended".

@@kingacrisius I was explaining how bug reports work in general on the Minecraft bug tracker, not how this specific report works. The reason bugs still have their confirmation status, Mojang priority, etc. after they're resolved is because... there's no reason to change it.

I'm confused as to why they thought this needed to be changed though. Yea it makes it easier to get good gear, but that's not game breaking unless you're in PVP but sense it's something that works for everyone involved it's a non-issue. For builders it just makes it so it's easier for them to get the items for their builds, same for redstone builders, for the explorers it makes it so they can more easily see more of the world IF they even choose to deal with villagers in the first place...so i don't see how stacking cures on villagers to get better trades is a bug....basically to me it seems like they are slapping anything that makes the game "easier" as a bug to make the game seem more difficult or harder than it needs to be...it's a game for digging up blocks, and plopping them down how you want them...for things like bedwars that are PVP special map things, the admins can just spawn things in so they never have to worry about it. I understand adding things like the trail ruins and the anchient cities to the world generation to make things more interesting, but making it harder to the point of being nearly impossible to get good loot from fishing, having made it so you have to have an upgrade template for netherite when the stuff was annoying enough to get in the first place, and now having the villagers being nerfed rather harshly is just an arbitrary and unnecessary "difficulty" that is likely just going to make people say "yeah i'm just going to play an older version so i dont have to deal with this nonsense."...honestly depending on how the update effects me as a builder and my ability to gather materials for my builds i may be one of the people going "nope" and playing on an older version...i'm a simple easy to please person. Let me dig my holes, build my builds, and just smack away mobs with my gear that i've enchanted (usually by fishing or trading for the books) and i'm happy...start taking those things away though and i'm not happy anymore...i play on regular survival so it's not like i die once and i'm done...but i dont like racking up a death count in the hundreds either on a world for no better reason than "i just couldnt get the enchants because of not getting good deals on trades or not being able to find a good fishing spot...

@@kingacrisius it's still in the experimental phase, we don't know if it's ACTUALLY "resolved" yet. this could be their resolution, but they could also take another few months to make changes based on our feedback

So priority is based on how consistent the bug can happen and whether or not it is intended too? Can that also kind of explain why Destiny 2 exploits for currency farming gets patched out faster than actual bugs?

I'm sorry... who tf is phonxde lmaoo (I know who it's just really funny how you spelled it)

From now on we shall call peenix "phonxde"

@@KidNamedBlue_I too want to know how he got to that name.

Aw hell nah phonxde maid a nwe videyo

phonxde vs Peenix SC who wins

That change is separate, and they're still unsure about it since it's tagged as experimental. Curing nerf on its own is fine tbh

Mojang making mending even more cancerous to get

fuck mojang, i hope their comany goes down under

​@@darkithnamgedrf9495mending was meant to be a special enchantment from the beginning. It makes you not have to create new equipment, possibly ever again. By nerfing villagers, they are nerfing the way to get infinite mending.

​@@alessandrosilvafilho8527right? like people don't see how broken mending really is, it should be hard to get, so that when you do get it, it feels like notch himself came and gave you a high five.

Best fix imo

Based

This would affect hardcore significantly still, but I do agree this would be the best fix.

It shouldnt be considered a "cheat" to change it either

You're giving an actual meaningfull idea , and that's why you'll never be hired in Mojang

Wish the java trading system was like bedrock. On bedrock you can use a resource pack to view all the villagers trades, but on java you can't

or just an actually good update for once

@@Dogflamingo that's not their fault,that's just the pack makers being a gigachad in bedrock

I feel like it's too easy, and diminishes the value of enchanted books to a grind. Would be better if the really valuable books, like mending, couldn't be gotten by trade. Only by exploration. The max tier enchantments like efficiency V or unbreaking 3 couldn't be traded, only crafted or found. Making things easier is not the way to make the game interesting and fun to come back to.

I disagree. Making it this tedious makes it rewarding for experianced players to know what they are doing, while new players still have a useful feature.

yeah, they should probably take some inspiration from tango's rework on the villagers.

deja vu

I disagree. I remember watching a few videos where someone actually spiced up a village manually and actually enjoying them.

The villages on the coastline are just so cool though.

Villages in ravines are so interesting don’t remove it

This.

@blehwhatever4890 ayo 📸🤨

@blehwhatever4890 Woudnt be too hard. Just make the villagers milkable like cows and change the name of the milk bucket that you get from that process

@blehwhatever4890 drinkable also

Peenix wants this to happen

Exactly this.

it was fine

It is really easy to find a village and trade with them lmao

@@el_t4931 it's gonna be so annoying having to find a specific village for a certain enchanted book

​@@eaction1186exactly, but once you find one while exploring set up a trading station there and boom... you have access to the enchantments of that biome. I tend to see the biome locking as expanding the trading hall all over the world.

I do think that would be ideal, though I understand the amount of design time and space that would require is maybe less worth it for Mojang than a numbers nerf.

So Terraria NPC housing?

So like prices are just naturally lower the farther away a villager's bed is from their workstation... but only if they have both slept in the bed and worked at the workstation within the last minecraft day.

There actually is a mod that explores this called Villager Comfort. Where stuff like the ability to sleep, meet other villagers, see some daylight, etc. It would be more tedious to get low prices, but I wouldn't oppose such a system as it is more immersive and actually rewards nice looking spaces for your sla- I mean friends-

​@@dokutahhanze5319actually yes was seeing a video about the changes and now the biomes affect the trades so yeah basically terraria

They should probably stick with the anvil fix, at least if they fix it, it will make enchanting a little less annoying and more viable to do since you can use all the xp you have to make stronger weapons

Nah they'll just release another completely enclosed gameplay loop that affects nothing else when they drop the end rework

@@chefboyjc9439 TRUEEEEEEE

Appearantly they are being changed to have fixed trades based on the biome they were bred in

@@o-poppoo5117 I would like this change, but it doesn't even guarantee the maxed out version of a trade? So its just going to waste slightly more of your time?

that would be really cool as the "template" for the villagers is the biome dependency for certain trades, thought they should really rework and improve the enchanting system cuz i bet you no one has touched that for centuries.

Yeah, it's logical that they would be more grateful the more you save their lives.

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 but you can also argue they would be less graceful cuz you let them die again (or even did it on purpouse) you cant really use the argument of "more logical" here, and besides its about gameplay balance not logic

Nobody thought being able to trade one diamond chestplate for six pumpkins was intended. It was an obvious oversight, a convenient one, but also one that made a good half of the game completely irrelevant. We all knew this exploit would be fixed eventually, the only surprising part is how long it took them to fix it. It's not even as if it will break villager farms, they'll still be insanely powerful even after that fix.

​@@jAujAl1I didn't know it'd be fixed, not out of ignorance of it being a bug, but because I didn't have hope that the Mojang of today could compel themselves to care.

That post mentioning that it’s been in since 1.14 and therefore it should be considered a feature has it on the nose. It’s been years upon years of having fun with that, you can’t take it away now. It would be like removing the ability to turn mob spawners into xp grinders because after a decade of it they just decided it was “too OP” the effort it takes cashed in on it very fairly

To easy to get stuff

I feel like they just need lots of optional game rules like the ones already in the game, but for changing features they've altered or added. We already have disable Phantoms because people didn't like the change, just leave old villager mechanics in and make it a switch, it can default to the current settings, but give people the option to play with the old ones. Otherwise people will just use mods anyway, and if they can't, they'll just be mad about it.

why bother, though? if you have any competency of setting up a trading loop, prices no longer matter. at all.

@@s66s46then dont use it

I only support the 1x2 holes because of the randomness of bedrock spawns. Why should a random pillager spawn happen in/near my iron farm and kill every single villager I have? Keeping them all out in the open only makes that worse.

​@@Cojosho97yeah, there should be a check for when a pillager patrol spawns. Maybe they can't spawn within 50 blocks of a villager? But then the player will never really see pillager patrols if they live in a village or have a trading hall

@@antt2228 then its okay if you never see a pillager patrol in that scenario

Omg thiiiis! Every update they take away more and more freedoms and it drives me crazy, I also hate how every game has become a "grinder" I'm tired of games having "daily goals" and forcing me to spend hours on it just to get what I want, I want to play a game to relax not stress myself more

terraria

Strippers, a hooters and no taxes

Please for the love of god I love village building I'd love to actually be rewarded for it!!

yeah i think tango really made a good example on how that idea could work.

Well they're not gonna get rid of the entire curing thing. Just make it less overpowered.

You have to go out of your way to build an iron farm, it's not something you stumble upon playing the game normally. It looks like they want everyone to play the game as intended and make people grind for things, making big farms is really fun, even if you don't really need them, and spending hours mining for iron on this new world generation isn't. Villager trading can be really overpowered, but nothing is stopping me from typing /enchant or /gamemode and getting what i need anyway, they only thing they accomplish removing it is limiting the play style of their player base.

​@@brenomedeiros8460Tbh, trying to build farms by yourself is fun, but most people just go on youtube to search how to build the most efficient farms possible. It was not a problem some years ago, but now each one of thoses farms are so efficient that they ruin the game. I will sound like a old grumpy old guy, but the most fun I had in minecraft were the first versions, were you could not even run. Surviving was a challenge, the only way to have OP items was to explore for hours until you find one, and it was simply fun. I also had a lot of fun with redstone, but almost exclusively in creative. What's the point of following a tutorial for 30min then AFK for 2h and having everything I need ? It ruin most of the fun.

@@brenomedeiros8460 Exactly, if people don't like that they can get super cheap prices from curing multiple times in a row, then maybe just don't do that? It's an entirely optional mechanic, don't engage with the mechanic if you don't like it, simple solution that leaves everyone happy.

@@KidNamedBlue_ They never got rid of iron farms either, they just made them less overpowered.

i think they just want you to actively make the world to be more alive. like for example mending trade, needs swamp village, which doesn't exist. so you have to bring villager to swamp, build village for them, breed em to get swamp villager to get mending book and then you ship the villager back to home base.

@@nevermind5657 Yes, but the issue is that certain biomes can be extremely rare or far away in some worlds. It’s a ridiculous burden.

@@nevermind5657 they better make a "teleport villager here" tool then, since transporting villagers for potentially 10000 blocks is just annoying

@@naokaderapider4210 mojang probably wants you to get into getting familiar with nether portal mechanics by making nether portals into nether roof. and then you boat in there those 10k blocks.

​@@nevermind5657definitely not as you're not supposed to be on the neather roof.

I used to get so many levels of my furnace 😢

I'm honestly getting really tired of how the devs are handling Minecraft recently, their lack of real quality updates and parity updates, and instead we mostly get "anti quality of life" updates that in some way shape or form make the game require many many more hours of constant grinding to accomplish the same end result, which doesn't lead to a very fulfilling update even for newer players. Touching up on the parity issues, why aren't they handled yet? They said years ago that they were working on parity yet we don't even have the simplest of parity changes yet (for instance banner shields, literally just copy-pasting textures onto shields.)

@@capnkomowe do have banner shields, they were added to bedrock in 1.20.

@@HunnaLee05 how do I make them, I've tried for ages

​@@capnkomogoogle it

If you're bad at redstone, a simple manual pumpkin farm is enough to farm some emeralds. Also keeping rotten flash for selling.

@@alessandrosilvafilho8527 Thank you! Yes, I use rotten flesh trades continuously. I use the flesh from my copper farms when I build them.

@@alessandrosilvafilho8527 the problem with rotten flesh is you'd only get about 5 emeralds off for curing a cleric once. selling 27 flesh for 1 emerald would mean you'd need to do a lot of zombie grinding just to get a stack of emeralds.

@@GothicPhantomZero skill issue

@@kuro758 Haha, probably.

And then you realize your favorite servers didn't

I am genuinely confused why people care so much about this. Emeralds aren’t exactly hard to come by if you have a few large crop farms or an iron farm and enough villagers to buy those items. With those I’ve always had enough emeralds to buy anything I want even without discounts.

@@MrMoon-hy6pn Dude this is the "standard" optimal way to secure good gear in minecraft. All of this is tremendously important. Having to farm 5-10-20 times more emeralds is a huge increase in time spent doing something relatively boring.

​​@@MrMoon-hy6pn (It should also be noted that many max level enchants are also getting removed, which is way more obnoxious.)

​@@MrMoon-hy6pn Because it's fucking tedious. If they want to balance villagers they need to put in more effort than just preventing multiple discounts. You can still get all of these items, you just need to put in a lot more tedious grinding work, like building/afking a raid farm, which isn't fun! Villagers allowed you to skip all the boring repetitive grinding by just selling you many of the items that you would need. Villagers were already annoying enough to deal with, especially constantly breaking and placing the workstation to try to get what you need. Now you would have to do that even more to get a low cost on top of the correct trade.

alot of people dont also realize this puts a MASSIVE hamper on the building community as well. villagers were an insane resource for quartz/terracotta/bookshelves and other annoying blocks for cheap for the larger builds. this is a really bad nerf and i dunno why mojang is fixing something thats been there for years.

Emerald farms also depend on curing villagers

It really does inconvenience people who dont want to spend time building a raid farm, like i dont want 40 stacks of emerald blocks, i just want to be able to easily buy few enchanted books once i loose or break my previous tools

Yeah that’s a good point. This is just taking something that is already super grindy with a good reward and making it ten times as grindy and ruining the fun. We just need to tell them this isn’t a bug and if they’re gonna start pulling “we don’t care what you have fun with, it’s our game” bullshit it’s gonna spell bad news for Minecraft’s future.

Why are people acting like one weakness and gapple = infinite emeralds

@@Syntex366yup

many players think villagers are too op and unbalanced

@@block_head_steve240 "many" is a bland statement, and if they don't like it, then they can just do this cool thing called, "not doing it". wow, so hard.

You say "just don't do it" but the reward is just so high that people willingly endure the pain of dealing with villagers and spending hours breaking and replacing work stations. Don't you find it stupid that some people are complaining that their mundane and tedious way of progressing has become *marginally* harder? Many people are also just looking for reasons to hate on mojang after chat reporting and other questionable decisions. This isn't one of those decisions. Limiting villager curing doesn't make trading that much more difficult, as raid farms that give a stupid amount of emeralds are pretty accessible. If not that, other automated farms that give resources for trading(wool and iron farms are very feasible early game). If not that then manual labor(mega spruce trees give a ridiculous amount of wood that is faster than tnt tree farms). People complain, but this change doesn't even change much, except for maybe making raids actually worth doing for the discounted price from hero of the village, which were previously ignored in favor of zombie villager curing. The devs want to see all the features having their place in the game, rather than one being in the spotlight and another being completely ignored.

@@block_head_steve240 1. I'm not going to read all of *that* and 2. I'm saying that if people don't like how overpowered it is, then they can just not do it.

​@@Franwow I'm not summarizing anything just because you're too lazy to read for a minute. This patch is cool, but the biome specific trades I think are cooler.

peenis sc is my favorite youTuber!

omg same!

can we just appreciate the effort that penix sc thrusts into us 😔

So basically Syndrome from the Incredibles

@@EmperorPenguin1217 well basically no.

@@Itouchnograss Really? That's what Syndrome tried to do in the movie, create a problem and "fix" it claiming to be a hero just like what the player does with rezombification

@@EmperorPenguin1217 yeah but he didnt become a hero from it. so. doesnt make sense to me. I mean like random movie example reck it ralph: he goes into game. messes things up. fixes things. He is hero!

literally

every update they do will upset "half" or, rather, a semi loud minority that seems rather sizeable to you because they're in the same playerbase sphere as you. thats cuz what people want out of the game rarely is what is actually good for it, and anything they do or do not do will get entitled babies to whine cuz their 30 dollar game didnt cater to them specifically

Mojang when they have to make an update that adds more than 5 blocks and 1 mob

@@Sopsy_Hallow that's quite harsh. It's very logical for people to be upset that a bug of this caliber has been patched, and the playerbase using it is quite large. It's not about catering to them specifically, it's about catering to the community's needs in general. Nobody wanted this patched, and even though it was game-breaking in some ways they could've implemented it in another way.

​@@nezzledsad you hace to actually PLAY THE FUCKING GAME now?

Infinite money glitch

Thanks man, I'll try that today!

R a i d f a r m

Alternatively fletchers because they trade emeralds for sticks and bamboo farms can be built really easily.

It I can't traumatize a villager into submission and accepting 1 emerald am been mad.

and don't forget some server have players marketing it so they can get a lot of money from a P2W server.

There is umbreaking that is very good too, but really not enough for jungle locking. Maybe if they add a jungle village but not a swamp one?

I dont mind having the ability to stack cures on a villager, but it at the very least needs a lower limit. The ability to trade 1 emerald for a piece of diamond armor, for example, is just not balanced at all.

@@eyasu. the game isn't 'balanced' in the first place, everything is random removing the stacking 'bug' just makes it annoying rather than challenging. you still will be able to turn a single stick into infinite sets of full diamond with hardly any effort other than standing around until the trade cooldown ends, this change just makes it tedious.

@@spiceyicey The game isn't balanced because many updates ago (wow, has it really been half a decade already?) they completely fucked the balance up. It doesn't mean they can't fix it.

@spiceyicey First of all, the randomness argument makes zero sense for villager trading. Also, when i said lower the limit, i ment the limit of how much the discount can stack to. For example, we make the limit half of the item's normal price. Once the price is half, it will never go down, no matter if you zombify them or not. Sorry if i explained it bad.

@@eyasu. you litterally do not have to use this though. my thing is why remove it for everyone. its like the people who dont like iron farms that ask mojang to remove them when they could just not use it and not try to ruin the fun for everyone else

Because it sucks. That's why. The current system is overpowered, anti fun and encourages actions of human trafficking and torture. IMO, all change to this would be very welcome!

@@XMaster340 same, i hate to have my own server set up and within like 2 minecraft days. somebody already has a full on villager trade hall with everything for like 2 emeralds. no real economy

Because it completely destroys immersion when nonsensical exploits are by far the best way to play the game, and players are actively punished for playing immersively. (Seriously Mojang, villages shouldn't automatically get killed off of zombies within a few days if the player doesn't intervene to imprison the villagers.)

@@Stobe-lo2nz Finally seeing someone who thinks game needs to get harder. Minecraft can be the worst survival game with early-mid-end game balance. BECAUSE İT DOESNT HAVE ONE. After being iron set you can be full diamond and have lots of enchantment in a short time

​@@Chicky_Lumps What immersion this isn't Skyrim this is a sandbox game with absolutely nothing to actually do in it except three bosses, two of which are boring.

You can mine a beacon by hand too. So glass and obsidian can be broken by hand. I think this feature makes sense since player's worked hard to get these two blocks, we should be able to get them however we like.

It's like everyone conveniently forgets that zombie villagers spawn naturally at night

Villager curing is already locked behind a difficulty setting. It even disables villager curing on easy mode. Normal mode gives you a 50% chance of the villager dying and hardcore gives the curing process a 100% success rate. Yep, it is reverse difficulty.

@@drnarwhal2888 i think the reason they just straight up die on easy mode is so if one zombie gets to your villagers, the entire village won't be infected. the iron golem can take care of a single zombie, but if that one zombie happens to infect a villager, there's two zombies, then there's four, then there's eight. it's a domino effect. it makes sense to have this domino effect be more likely to happen in harder difficulties.

I did this on Bedrock though, and not Java. I don't know if the mechanics are the same between both versions.

It's a Video Game. Humanity is noncanon

why the frick is everyone so happy with this it's just adding to the list of reasons why mojang needs to burn to the ground

​@@kingofthebrickskid20Perhaps the cleansing flames need directed to you.

Yeah people are treating this change like the end of the world sure it's annoying that you can't have 1 emerald trades but is the villager discount not already good enough? This change really isn't that big of a deal.

@@nomnom2298 It is a big deal because Mojang could've just taken a compromise and added these nerfs as a gamerule *instead of forcing it on everyone.* Mojang contuses to remain out of touch with the community, even with pushback.