Villagers can no longer be cured repeatedly. And people are mad. 

SNAPSHOT 23w31A: Introduces "master books". I'm sick so I'll have to explore this tomorrow. www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-23w31a It appears Mending can be obtained only in Swamp Villages, which must be "built manually". Curing a Zombie Villager now only gives a big discount the first time.

Petition to make the villager breeding process detailed #1

Something that also has a big effect but wasn't mentioned here is that curing a villager also gives a temporary discount that slowly decays on top of the permanent one. Meaning that even if the efficiency 3 villager has a 1 emerald price for a while it will probably rise to around 10 emeralds again eventually.

Becoming a hero from either defeating a raid or curing them virtually always comes from the player intentionally causing the problem to begin with. Like a firefighter secretly starting house fires just so they can get there first and look like a hero.

I think multiple things should affect the trading score. Healing a villager should give 20 to the trading score, but also saving a village form a raid should contribute 20, maybe building an iron golem around the villager should also add 20. basically lots of new things to do so you can still get a trading score of 100, just not solely by healing villagers.

Personally I'd like if they upped the rate of natural spawn zombie villagers too so folks could have a viable way to "make new villages" that didn't involve kidnapping villagers from a village that is already built and occupied.

honestly I feel this could be solved better with a better enchanting system. right now the only way to get the enchantment you actually want is this convoluted process of villagers and curing them which gets rid of the monotonous grind for emeralds (which is ease but just takes time farming and harvesting) if the villagers were nerfed and there was a way of enchanting by using different materials around the world to combine with enchantments or something along those lines to get the enchantments you want on books or tools/armor I think it would be a better compromise. or if there's a better system. it just feels like this is the only proper way at the moment so its everyone's only choice which most don't want to become even more annoying with no other option for getting exactly what you want

We gotta give Phoenix a splash potion of weakness and a golden apple! Get well soon Phoenix :D

I always found it odd that it was done based on curing and not another mechanic like: how many times you have got hero of the village; the generation of villager (child villagers have cheaper prices); how big the village is; how much you trade (and only that); or how many emerald sandwiches (or something) you give them.

The problem is if they felt this was a bug they left it in the game too longer for people not to be annoyed. It takes a lot of work to set up a trading hall. They need to replace it with something better first.

Now we just need an update that makes the villagers sell cheaper stuff when they have better living conditions (getting to sleep in a bed the previous night, having a few blocks to walk around that aren't its job block, etc.)

I still think there should be a “cycle trades” button so we dont have to keep destroying and replacing work benches and hoping the villager takes the profession right away

Villages need a complete and total makeover. Make them bigger, make them better. Fix them so the terrain generation can't wreck a village. I'm tired of ravines running through them, or generating on an island smaller than the village so buildings are floating, some without floors, that whole mess. Everyone I know kidnaps them before zombies kill them, rerolls their trades and uses them as item dispensers

Imagine how simple it would be for Mojang to create a job position for people like Phoenix to fix very small grammar mistakes like missing structure blocks. Life would be so much better if I didn't know that mistake existed, but now I know and I need it fixed.

Mojang: fixes curing Also Mojang: can't add LITERALLY TWO BLOCKS to pillager outputs

As far as I can tell the bigger problem is that they won't be able to give max enchant books anymore, they will always be one level lower, the trades will be locked to specific biomes, so specific trades like mending will only appear in one biome, and on top of all that the best enchant books will only be available at max trade level, so you'll get mending only when you max out the trading level. And on top of all that this "bug" was fixed

As a Helper on the Minecraft bug tracker, a bug report being "Confirmed" does not necessarily mean the issue is not intended, but that the behavior is replicable by the Helpers/Moderators. When an issue is confirmed, it is more likely to be seen by the developers because it could be consistently reproduced, and then the developers decide the priority or whether the issue is intended behavior.

I think one reason people are upset is the whole villager trading system is a drag, everyone’s done it a million times and now they won’t be able to get through it in the fastest way possible anymore.

I always viewed villager curing as a middle game part that allows you to reach late game more easily. You need a lot of gold and materials to brew potion , which require mining or going to the nether. Village takes time to find, even more time to set up for trades. Infecting villagers can be difficult and trading hall often use redstone and slime in machines if the process is to be repeated, material which take effort to obtain. It is a lot of effort for a good reward, so I do not think it should be nerf.

They should just make a gamerule that lets you set the limit for how many times you can cure it while still getting the benefit.

I think people won't be as mad about the change if they also had an upgrade regarding the villager trading system. Maybe make it easier? Or less tedious?

It was a rather tedious process. It sucks that Mojang tend to throw these out instead of making them more fun instead. I'm still waiting for a more efficient way to reset trades because by god I don't want to interact with that mess ever again. But they might just see it as an exploit and remove the option entirely instead.

was this villager self aware or something cause he kept somewhat intelligently responding to everything phonxde said

As someone that has never cured a villager....I don't know how to feel. I never got to exploit this and I don't know if I would feel bad not been able to

I don't like the current snapshot changes, but I can see it going somewhere. The most important function of trading is to give players agency over resource acquisition which can be unevenly difficult depending on location or outright unreliable like certain enchanted books are. I think what mojang should do with trading and enchanted books is something similar to armor trims; introduce a sort of "template" for enchanted books and make it so that instead of librarians having fixed book enchantment trades have them dependent on what "templates" you can provide.

as someone who does a lot of stuff with villagers, I'm 50/50 on this. at the very least I think that villagers are VERY overpowered at the moment and that they definitely need some sort of change. however, I don't believe making it so that villagers can only be cured once is the way to go. I believe any change that is made will end up being exploited in some way, regardless of what it is anyways, but systems that would require you to possibly keep villagers happy and not in 1x2 holes would likely be a interesting solution.

You can get enchantments through a few ways. Looting them (completely unreliable, but most fun way ig) fishing them (unreliable and awful) using an enchantment table (unreliable and tedious) or trading with villigers (reliable but also still unfun). If they are going to nerf villigers, they should buff the other ways (generally the whole anvil system sucks) or provide a new late game way of getting them (maybe in the end? 😳)

block update detectors was a bug, but since it was widely used in redstone builds it was kept. the same should be applied to this

Should have made it a feature, Mojang. We all thought of it as one.

Considering how hard and time consuming is setting up villagers, and how uncooperative they are, stacking discounts feels like a reward. Overpowered? Maybe, but also allows survival only players to construct some really amazing stuff. Edit: Typo.

1:43 zombie rizz

I wouldn't be too happy if Mojang were to change it because setting up a villager breeder and trading hall is already extremely time consuming and ressource intensive. Working with villagers is a pain and this would make it worse.

Mojang removing the freedom element of a sandbox game, sick. Surely they will make enchanting and getting enchanted book fun and not tedious. Also it would be less annoying if they weren’t located in other reskinned locations, like if they had their own remote building they could spawn at or something, but no now I have to travel and get lucky to find the same village but in a different biome and no other difference. Honestly it feels like a caves update part 2, caves are still just as boring they were, but now they are just bigger and it’s harder to get the loot that you want.

I like the curing mechanic but I never liked stacking villager trades in halls. I remember there was a mod I saw some time ago that makes it so villagers require certain stuff so you can't hold them in a like 1x1 prison cell and their quality of life reflects on the trades and I like that concept a lot.

The discount stack is nice if you really want things on the absolute cheap. Especially when a villager is at tier 5 it would be nice to get the things you want for cheap. When it comes to selling that's a whole other situation.

What if you could gift villagers emeralds to get better trades? Like, if you're going to use them a lot, spending some early to make them happy with you and give you discounts will eventually pay off. Like, they could have a slot that's just like "gift". Plus, it would teach that being generous to people might make them be generous back to you. That seems like a pretty tame way to max things out. Plus, once you max out one and win back the investment in cheaper trades, you can use it on more villagers to invest.

I never liked the curing process for villagers to get better trades, though I understand it's annoying to have to grind longer to get trades so they're probably should still be a way to get low trades. Personally I would love some sort of new system that gets rid of the curing bonus and actually requires you to be nice to the villagers to get better trades. Maybe nicer living conditions (decent space, access to food, ability to do their job, no hostile mobs, etc) results in better trades, for example.

As a person who grinded over 30 hours just to get all the the trades for my god set I can personally say that the amount of effort you put into villager conversions is much more then how OP they are.

I’m more mad about biome specific enchantment trades. Sometimes, it’s difficult to find a specific biome. It was over 5000 blocks to my nearest desert in one world and there wasn’t a village in it.

I think it's a lot like the old bedrock drip stone potion farms, I personally spent days making huge potion factories and it got removed without me knowing and was majorly upsetting, it wasn't a huge exploit because of the time it took to make that kind of a farm, it was just nice for those who want to spend that many hours to get that advantage. I feel the same way about this change as I've recently started making a villager hall for the first time because I can't make any other fun big things like it anymore. And don't get me started on the furnace XP "bug" that was around for ages and got removed once they added skulk.

I feel like this is a similar situation to when iron farms were substantially nerfed when 1.14 initially released. Mojang didn't really want iron farms in the game, but when they removed them and everyone rebelled, they were forced to bring them back by changing the spawning requirements. I think the same thing will happen with zombification, it's just too useful of a mechanic which has been around for years to get rid of now, even if it is too overpowered.

1:25 the villager rock!!!!!!

If they want to take out stacking cure discounts, they should make it so Efficiency III doesn't cost 40 emeralds. I get that stacking discounts kinda feels like cheesing the game, but it's the only way to make trading remotely palatable. I don't want to spend three hours gathering carrots just to get the books for one piece of armor. Alternatively, they could just make the amount of stackable cure discounts a limit changeable by the player.

One of my favorite parts of Minecraft is that with the infinite possibilities, any amount of features could be exploited to creatively better your playstyle. Automatic farms like iron farms and all mob farms always fascinated me because of their creative design in exploiting features. When it comes to villagers, I think zombifying villagers was another one of those creative exploits that make Minecraft what it is. IMO this change goes against the point of survival Minecraft.

Villager trading halls are a good “middle” portion to the game, it gives you something to do before you go fight the dragon. Most seasoned players don’t need enchants to kill the dragon so nerfing this would just take something fun out of the game. Mojang needs to work on fun stuff to do in between and after you kill the dragon, instead of trying to force a player to play the way they want.

I have worked months in my world to complete a villager trading center with every possible trade in the game and they all are cured 5 times which means that the effect doesnt run out. Seeing the possibility of this much work getting ripped away hurts my soul.

“Oh no! anyway…” *downloads datapack that bypasses this*

Honestly, I like the idea of curing until getting to 1 emerald in price. I don't ever build emerald farms in the game because it's a waste of time for me, (plus I can never get them to work right for some reason...no matter 'step by step' the process is). So, being able to grind to get emeralds through cheaper trades is a lot easier then emerald farms.

This is also about to make every major SMP a living hell for getting resources

Once the bug is fixed, I am definitely going to use a mod to re introduce this, because supposably it will be possible to smuggle villagers in from older versions with the good trades, locking this feature to having played on older versions.

I’m a bit miffed too, but mainly because, as you said here, this is clearly an intended feature. And while if they get discounted down to 1 emerald after just 2 cures, then there is technically no problem with things being one way or the other, it just seems like onna those things that doesn’t need fixing. Quite literally, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

Honestly, I want mojang to keep this bug since it's such a qol improvement especially for players in a new world. (plus getting golden apples, weakness potions, and the right villager trade takes quite a long time to get in large quantities) as for someone with a stacking raid farm though... I honestly don't mind. I have too much emeralds that I can use... so even if it's not maxed out discount. I could afford it. (but building that raid farm took a long time as well)

The discount stacking, especially on librarians, gives you infinite emeralds. If you have 1 emerald -> 1 bookshelf, and 1 book -> 1 emerald, you basically have 1 emerald -> 3 emeralds. The only setback is time, which can be avoided if you have like 100 of these. You even had this in one of your showcase villagers at 3:24

Villager healing is just like a movie. Person does bad thing. Same person fixes bad thing. People ignore the bad thing. Freak out that they fix it. Person becomes a hero

in-universe, this makes sense, since it can be seen as the villagers, catching on that the player is not only their healer but also the cause of their zombie-fication. so they would feel less inclined to give players a discount, who repeatedly infect and heal them, since they grow tired. Still: i can understand, why people would get mad at the exploit being removed.

I am very glad they are fixing this. Even with this fix villagers are too OP. Right now all smp servers are basically this: find a village, make trading hall, you have all max enchanted items. This makes the gameplay very linear and repetitive. This is basically the only "right" way to progress. I don't feel like it should be like this. I remember the times where it would be exciting finding an enchanted book in a structure. Right now it's like "oh cool, I have a double chest of this enchantment at home"

3:39 zombie villager rizz

This would only nerf villagers if emerald farms were nerfed alongside it. Like this it really just inconveniences people

I just don’t understand why mojang couldn’t be bothered to fix simple things that are clearly bugs and are unintentional, things 99.9% of players will not be sad to see gone, but will more than gladly “fix” things that no one had a problem with and makes sense the way it is.

Wait, 3:25 One emeralf for a bookshelf, 1 book for an emerald? Thats infinite emeralds!

I don't understand why they would remove something the players love, even if it is a "bug". Stardew Valley did wonders on this, there was a bug were you could place trees in the green house (a place you normally cant place trees). And so the Dev removed this, and then the community said that they liked it, the Dev added it back into the game.

When I think back on a lot of the Minecraft I've played the past couple years, a lot of it has been dealing with villagers. I find it very frustrating yet rewarding to be able to control your own loot in a sense and then work towards maxing out trades, armoring up your villagers etc. I've always played with 2 rules in mind though; 1. I have to make a proper town with walls / defenses for them. No trading halls. and 2. The villagers have to come from cured zombies at first, no villager breeders. With these restrictions in place I find it more challenging and rewarding to set up what is essentially "ez diamond armor / tools / books printer." I rarely ever reinfect and cure my villagers unless the price is something ridiculous. That being said, I can't see a single good reason for removing the ability to do so. Don't want to get all your trades down to 1 emerald? Just don't engage with the system. It's that simple. But instead of rewarding those that go the extra mile (often in incredibly longstanding worlds like SMP series and the like), they're punishing people over what, making their lives easier that they don't have to grind as much?? I can definitely agree that villager trading needs some kind of aspect to make things slightly more challenging but this is not a rewarding nor fun change in my opinion.

My first major project on a Minecraft server was spending hundreds of hours setting up a library trading hall where every enchantment book is available at a maximum discount. It was a huge undertaking that took months of real world time. I felt immense satisfaction when it was finally complete. To celebrate, my next task was giving them all max enchanted diamond armor (though I never figured out how to put it on them). I'd be devastated to learn something that I worked so hard on won't be a thing anymore even though the server I did it on is no longer available and I can recreate it in an hour or two of re-learning console commands.

I've been grinding for literally 5 hours just finding a good trade for my newly built trading hall, it's really annoying to work with villagers especially when they keep on giving the same bookshelf trade which is the root of all this issues.

Mojang when asked to not only update the game but do so in a way that isn't going to upset half the player base.

A bit bull in my opinion, because it makes sense that they give you more discount because in a not villager exploitation hall scenario, aka a zombie randomly infects a villager multiple times and the player helps it, it's the villager further thanking you for saving them multiple times... "But it makes the game too easy" - you've obviously never actually tried to deal with villagers large scale before, and plus its a SANDBOX. Nobody ever said that you 100% must create a villager hall in order to play the game.

Minecraft fans when you can’t get the most powerful enchants in the game for one emerald by feeding villagers to zombies over and over again

We players have been scamming them for years now it's their time to fight back and shine. They've been protesting around Moyang's offices. They even reached Jeb's house. So, they've decided to accept the request and end this peacefully..

I swear I thought I was going crazy, I cured a villager like 4 times and the prices wouldn't go down, I googled to see if they stacked and I found reddit posts saying they stacked, even linked to that equation of how much they stack, and just now I see that they don't stack anymore

I love when peenix videos come out!

on bedrock you *have* to cure the villagers multiple times to get the cheapest trade, also by my own experience the price of good enchanted books on bedrock is almost always really high if I get a book I want with a base price of less than 25 emeralds I consider myself lucky

This has been in the game since 2019, it annoys me that after 4 years they are just now fixing it after everyone has used and abused it

See I never really bothered with multi discounts, the single discount is already amazing, if you set up a raid farm or a decent melon farm early game you can get pretty much everything you want from villagers easily

For all people that are looking for a solution, make a giant sugar cane farm and get a lot of librarians, and than trade paper for emeralds, should be the easyest way for getting emeralds, this update will just make it a bit more of a pain in the ass cuz you will have to grind more, but still I think this is the easyest way

My thought is that Mojang hates technical minecraft and will go out of their way to hurt people who already put lots of hours in to get something.

I haven’t cured my villagers in my own survival world, because I’ve built an entire reimagined village for them and they go freely… but then some of them die. But I have had other worlds where I did cure them, and I think if they remove the option to get them down to 1 emerald then I don’t think I’ll ever cure villagers again (except maybe farmers to get their golden carrots to 1 emerald for 3)

i cant enslave them any more

Crazy how there's a whole difficulty that literally cannot be beaten and has basic items like string go unobtainable, yet removing endgame benefits is deemed "important". Peaceful mode has been this way for actual YEARS. FIX IT, MOJANG.

With all the time I've invested in villagers over the years, if Mojang actually _does this_ then I might be done with Minecraft for good. Seriously, considering how much effort goes into getting those damn ducks in a row, we _deserve_ system-breaking discounts.

If you ask me, this is a HORRIBLE feature. I mean, its hard to get a villager with the trade you want in the first place, then you have to find a zombie and lure it to said villager, infect the villager, and hope with your life it doesn't die, because not THAT many people play hard mode, then you have to capture the zombie for a second use, without YOU or the zombie dying, then you have to get 9 gold ingots an apple and a weakness potion, then you have to wait TEN or so minutes for the dumb thing to cure, then you have to repeat the entire thing. this deserves stacking discounts

1) yeah, there is little to no purpose to rezombify a villager, basically all trades go dirt cheap from just one dezombification, the enchanted books are the only ones that don't do that, but you don't need a lot of those to begin with (well, except for mending, unbreaking and maybe eff V, but you won't need many of eff Vs until emeralds become dirt cheap as well) 2) Villager trades are already ridiculously OP and super easy to set up from early game. Even a zombificator can be set up within the first hour of a new world

I never bothered to set up a re-curing system for my villagers. All "my" villagers are naturally spawned zombie villagers that I cured and cheesed to trade desirable items (by placing and removing trading post). If someone actually spent time kiting zombies, wasting nametags, redstone and golden apples to reduce all trades to 1, all while playing on hard difficulty (because villagers have a 50% chance of dying on normal difficulty) or better yet - on hardcore, then I don't see any good reason the patch it out for them. It's a very specific, very niche way to play the game and Mojang wants to convert it into wasted resources.

Assuming you can still do this ONCE that's still a massive discount you can get, there'd just be a limit on how much you can torment your own villagers. I'd assume you can still stack one of this + one raid victory discount for pretty much minimum prices already and I doubt they have any plans to nerf those farms I know exist.

There's two things I've always wanted from villagers 1: The ability to reroll individual tiers using some sort of item or system, making it so you don't gotta break a block all the damn time. You could possibly have an item or something, but some way to have it so you don't need villagers in mass. Minecrafters are cruel and inhumane creatures after all. It would be interesting to have a librarian with 3+ book trades, for example. Maybe a special item from trading that lets us select a trade, with the quantity required being dependent on the villager's tier, type and the trade being rerolled. It's powerful, but I do think that having some incentive to NOT make villagers suffer constantly should be in place. I got no idea where the source for this item would be though. But if villagers are becoming biome specific, then maybe giving us a way to alter a specific trade tier to a different biome using an item from that biome would be good. 2: Way to get villagers to favor us consistently, which would let us get discounts in a way that isn't blitzing their village with pillagers or giving them the deadpool treatment. Perhaps a "desired trade" where if you complete a specific trade, it gives you a discount on all other trades, dependent on how much of that favored trade is completed. The trade will cycle each day, and the discounts will persist until they decay. -to add onto the favors idea, maybe the quality of the living space could also have an effect. Right now, we cramp them into tiny spaces where they can barely move, if at all. I don't think we should completely remove villager breeders, because that would alienate a lot of the playerbase. Just the simple reward of a discount for having a larger living space, chests inside, not being crammed in like the atlantic slave trade, and overall quality of living would be nice. (Additional edit as well: maybe carpet flooring or some specific blocks could also affect the discount quality?) At the moment, I want more passive things that can be done. There could be a whole system rework, but I'm just thinking of minor ideas right now. The major thing right now is mending, since most minecraft players want consistent and reusable ways of getting and retaining gear. But then this problem also loops back around to the fact that we can't get mending in an enchanting table. So yeah

One issue I see with this system is that its just prolonging an arbitrary selection of books, because some you can get 1 emerald by curing just once anyway, why are players being punished for putting the effort in to get the enchantment they want, especially since usually higher level books (which you NEED to get to avoid "too expensive") also cost more.

Nerfing it is fine but pretending jt was a bug all along to mitigate backlash is crazy

I think the villager trading value thing should be a game rule which you can change and is defaulted at 100

If it’s just a discount one time and not adding up, I guess that’s fair. Hopefully not you only cue them once and never ever again situation. Then again, in my server I’m in, we have bottomless supplies of sticks and paper, and soon food. Then again we mainly just use villagers for repairs. Edit: I think this is a good thing because their a serious issue, I’ll use the example we realized, maybe it could have been worse if it was different things. Books Spend emeralds, get books Sell books for bookshelf, thanks to Bug the shelf cost less than book spent break down shelfs Buy even more shelf’s than before Do it multiple times Sell for emeralds for crazy profit and enchanted books(we all agreed to not do this as it was quite busted) also may have misremember it, but it’s still the same situation. Plus this was Brain dead compared to how our iron and wood farm took days to weeks of planning and practicing, and it’s pay off is more farms and more stuff. Took everyone to work on it

I think being able to cure them multiple times is fine. You take and use resources that aren't super easy, grind and set up, so you have this setup that is helpful. Making villagers more annoying doesn't really add anything to the game

My thoughts are, once again Mojang wants to get rid of something fun without replacing it because reasons.

Honestly, I agree with the 1 recure cap because, as much as I like the 1 emerald trades, it's kinda broken. 1 cure should be fine. What I don't agree with is biome locking a huge portion of the enchantments. I think having mending being exclusive to a kind of village that doesn't spawn naturally is at least an interesting idea tho but we don't have anything on the level of mending to put in the other village that doesn't spawn

didn't even mention the worst part that trades for enchanted books will be BIOME DEPENDANT. meaning that you need to build multiple trading outposts in different biomes, with mending villagers only possible if you drag them to a swamp. moving villagers is hands down one of the most miserable parts of minecraft and it will get so much worse if these changes are implemented.

Mojang when there's an annoying, useless bug: I sleep Mojang when there's an very helpful exploit: Real sh*t?!

I hope they don't mega nerf this because it is a lot more effort than is often shown to set that stuff up. I don't get why developers so often nerf useful "bugs".

Villagers now have more freedom 😢

As someone whos worked as a game dev and worked with game devs, you cant change a system in your gameplay no matter how broken it is without adding something that still allows players accessibility. So far the changes being made are completely forgoing that. It also is boxing in players to play the game as explorers first, everything else second, which goes against it being open world and a sandbox. Making Villager trades region locked for a ai that is already a pain to move around without adding something to make it easier to move them from location to location especially pre-nether/end really limits people on what they can do with their world. A player could want to build a giant town for them to live in with buildings dedicated to trading halls or farms and now its even harder to access things for trading halls, more time is spent on finding the right biome villager and getting it to where your project is instead of building the project itself. The risk of bugs and world corruption as well is high especially in early snapshots for this as it does change the core villager code since every villager had essentially the same code just with different skin textures that depended on the biome, now they have new and different code which can cause problems on pre-existing worlds. Its very much not a user friendly change especially without any updates to transport systems

I find it extremely weird that you can mine a enchanting table with a wooden pickaxe.... so therefore you can mine obsidian and diamonds with a wooden pickaxe

The person who reported is the kind of guy who would tell the teacher there was homework

I think this is a feature and not a bug. Consider that they implemented a maximum cap for this act, and that reinvesting in a player that rescues them is a fair action. The legitimate application for this is that if a player cures a villager, only for them to get infected again later accidentally, they might consider just killing them instead of curing again. This is clearly a reward system for players willing to put in the work to keep resucitating their villagers that have been attacked. I don't think it should change.

I love how everyone was complaining about villagers being op af, but when Mojang fixed them everyone went nuts and complained lmao Kind of like that time when we asked for multicoloured beds, but when they finally added them we just continued to dye our beds red lol