Villainpedia: Mankar Camoran 

"He doesn't even need the Watch, Hero! He's just Four-Arms all the time and it never runs out! Do you realize such magnitude of power!?"

"I fucking love Ben 10"

Dude I think he looks the most like trigon from teens titans

​@@NoMaloneUnturned2Trigon only got two arms tho

@@spencermannan6075 yeah you are right

My older brother showed me Oblivion as well. I remember he asked for my help deciding what house to buy. I was hooked the moment i saw him walking around in these massive cities with all these voiced characters Before that all I had played was like Pokemon, runescape, and halo

I need a girlfriend like this, so I can force her to watch me play Skyrim. Edit: I got my current girlfriend to try Skyrim and after 10 minutes she went to the bathroom and vomited.

@@MisogynyMan I hate to break it to you, but Skyrim got your girlfriend pregnant.

@@Gotz_the_iron_hand Jesus I was afraid of that too, her youknowwhats also got oversensitive and seemed to grow. But no her period arrived at the usual schedule. Thank god, no little Dragonborns running around yet.

Same. Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim have a unique charm to them few games can compete with. Nearly 20 years later I still think about quests and random encounters in Morrowind and Oblivion.

and it would make some sense that they would be able to wear the amulet since the stone was created by them, being the stone of the white gold tower which they built.

But what was he originally?

@@EvelynNdenial he also used the knowledge within the Mysterium Xarxes to give himself the Dragonblood, which we know to be true and definitely would allow him to wear the amulet without any Ayleid connections. But yes I do like that link a lot :)

@@enermaxstephens1051 my best theory is that he was a Bosmer before he changed himself with the Razor. His backstory is that he was an illegitimate child of the Camoran dynasty of Valenwood, and whilst the validity of that is still up for debate, it's probably the most solid thing we have on him from before he became who he is now

@@enermaxstephens1051 I'd also add to that by saying that many of the Ayleids fled to Valenwood and sought sanctuary with the Bosmer once the humans took over Cyrodiil. There's definitely enough Ayleid history within Valenwood for a young Mankar to find kinship with

"And now, kneel before Mankar Camoran!"

Find out how to create the material world with this one weird trick! Elves HATE him!

@@Ved000000 I mean, I'd hate Lorkhan too, given how he's depicted, and his actions aren't all that much better than some of the Mer he hates...

@@thalmoragent9344 Dude, you're everywhere! It's insane.

@@WretchedRedoran *"As a Thalmor Justiciar, it is my responsibility to patrol and govern all Media to ensure no Talos Worship is taking place"*

He's basically the Loki of Elder Scrolls

Mfw your brother didn’t tell his servant that Sheogorath is now plotting against them both: 👿

I'm laughing so hard, I can totally see Sheo only ever referring to Cameron as just Midwife.

That's when mankar realized the game was rigged from the start

Do you mean Tamriel Rebuilt?

@@junsukee Shhhh, let us believe.

I believe it considering the shitstorm that came after. Plus the fact that Daegon is the prince of "change" he probably had a good time watching it all unfold knowing the world would be thrown in chaos.

This comment straight up just changed my outlook on Mehrunes. From "moron who tried to just solo all of mundus" to "Genuine calculated psychopath who wants to see the world burn"

yeah both characters are voiced by Terence Stamp which is cool (at least in Halo 3)

@@ItsSkytheGuy "I am Mankar, the voice of the Mythic Dawn!" "And so, you must be silenced."

@@phantomsanic3604 "For your destruction is the will of Dagon! And I am his instrument!"

Terrance Stamp voices both Mankar Camoran and The Prophet of Truth (Halo 3) Its honestly funny how easily the lines would cross over from Halo 3

to be fair, dagon doesn't have to lie for that to be wrong, since the idea canonically doesn't originate with him. basically it's something that dagon's cultists believe but he never actually said, and not bothering to correct a false narrative his cultists believe is in line with dagon's character

"Meridia's Coldharbour" lmao

That was Kirkbride's error. He fucked up the plane attributions (which is odd considering he established who had what plane originally) and they didn't notice until after the game had shipped.

@@passingrando6457 to be fair iirc it was some sample writing they repurposed, not intended for use originally.

At first I thought Mankar was that deluded and crazy so he mixxed them up. But it was just an error.

Lol you fools Molag stole Coldharbour from Meridia. Fools.

By Azura! By Azura! By Azura!!!

I played Oblivion and Skyrim at least a thousand hours each. Yet I know nothing of all this amazing lore because I'm always busy picking flowers and training alchemy. Edit: I got my current girlfriend to try Skyrim and after 10 minutes she went to the bathroom and vomited.

I tried playing and almost threw up from the motion sickness.

@@vitocarlucci1114 I've heard others say the same

Bro! I was a huge fan of yours when I was a kid. And you are so right, this game is dank, danker than a wook at burning man

True, but he'll want to overthrow the Thalmor as well, if they get to a powerful state... he's not a permanent ally 😅

not really, the dragonbreak literally didn't happen so there's still an heir and also there's a few towers still standing. I think the adamantineis still standing and technically the white gold is although it did fall briefly in oblivion

@@wearecoterminous White-Gold Tower is deactivated, the Amulet of Kings was its Stone and now it's gone so, it's just a Tower now with no power... same with the Crystal Tower, the Altmer rebuilt it but as far as we know it's deactivated now since the Stone may also have been removed/destroyed when it fell

@@thalmoragent9344 I thought the whole point of becoming an aspect of akatosh was to protect the white gold forever? So we still have the adamantine tower, the throat of the world because dragons showing up did literally sweet fuck all and nothing changed because of them. I think the anumidium being rebuilt technically counts if they used the heart/bones of lorkhan instead of like a dwemer artifact that uses tonal architech but that's sorta left up in the air, the quantum moon was a tower but the thalmor figured out how to manipulate it so that's probably gone. Hopefully we see the logical conclusion to all of this in the future. We're currently setup to get the coolest elder scrolls game yet but odds are they're going to completely ignore the cool plot that they set up and make it about fighting giant enemy emperor crabs and worthless local politics or something dumb instead of bringing us one step closer to c0da. By the way that dudes right you literally are everywhere

@@wearecoterminous No, becoming an Aspect of Akatosh was the way to channel all the power of the Amulet of Kings and then use it to fight Dagon. After that, it was used up and Dagon was defeated. White-Gold Tower still stands but no more Amulet, as in, no more Stone for the Tower to be considered actively affecting Nirn Throat of the World or rather, Snow Throat "Lies sundered and Bleeding" due to the Civil War, so whether Alduin being tossed away through time or whatever sealed the deal on top of the mountain, well... who knows. As far as I'm concerned, Adamantine Tower is the last, officially active one. May be some on Akavir, but other than that speculation, well...

Yep.

I dont knooooow, mundus being another plane is pretty concvincing

Mankar's rant being full of errors is because the oog author (MK) misattributed a couple of planes in what was an offhand introduction to his vision for the character and it wasnt noticed until after the game was released and it was too late/cumbersome to fix.

@@jedaye47 Interesting. I still like the idea that Dagon is playing him, though. Mistake or no it really adds to the story of Oblivion, in my opinion.

@@gourdlord3064 oh definitely, that being said I could also see Mankar as seeking to betray Dagon (taking possession of the Amulet and making himself Dragonborn gives him a means to expel Dagon and rule as Aldmeri King of Tamriel)

Dagon is Tzeentch confirmed 😂

The mystery of power. It’s Chim. It’s a book that when read one figures out the ultimate truth that all existence is simply the dream of a god. To truly understand this makes you an awoken dreamer who is lucid and can warp reality as they see fit. However this truth is far too maddening to be truly understood and they become crazy powerful beings that are still mortal. When one truly understands Chim and accepts it they exist as a demigod like Vivec. If they refuse to accept they are merely a figment of a dream they cease to exist like the Dwemer. They were the most technologically advanced and intelligent race so much so they achieved Chim but believed they were more than a dream and basically collapsed in on themselves.

The ideal masters did similar things despite not being Gods, so not a solid argument

Oh, ye'h. Mannimarco would be great. Seeing a full video of his failure attempt in ESO to his ascension as a new god would be great.

He has a long history in the lore.

Mannimarco is a freaking cockroach that won’t stay dead so yeah he’d be a great choice

Funnily enough I was scrolling through RU-vid high when I saw this video and thought it was about Mannimarco and got excited, then super confused when I saw home boy wearing the amulet of kings in white clothes

There are 2 kinds of people. Those who read your comments with the adoring fan voice And those who lie

I read it in the adoring fans voice immediately

I haven't played Daggerfall, isn't he mostly reasonable there?

@Nick moon? He becam jone and jode? I only played ESO and Oblivion where Mannimarco was involved.

@@berilsevvalbekret772 No, he became the Necromancer's Moon that orbits Arkay every 8 days iirc

@@berilsevvalbekret772 In Daggerfall, Mannimarco uses the Mantella to ascend to divinity. His divine form is the God of Worms/the Revenant. He does not appear in Morrowind, but his divine form was interviewed regarding the Warp in the West - it was published in Where Were You When the Dragon Broke? which appeared in Morrowind, ESO and Skyrim.

​@@berilsevvalbekret772 you played Oblivion. You did that quest with the Altar that makes black soul gems, I presume. That light that shines down on active altars? The moon that eclipses Arkay and allows the soul gem covenant to be corrupted? That is also Mannimarco. The version you fight is the significantly shittier version of him.

All of them were Et'Ada. The ones that fled and created the stars are referred to as the Magna Ge.

@liamsteam walsh Neither the heroes nor the villains achieved their goals in totality. The Hero of Cyrodil even becomes the next Sheogorath ending his/her's own being in the process.

Maerunes Dagon isn't evil, destruction is a vital aspect of reality.

Seeing a version of Ganon that's just... tired of it all hit home in a way I never expected to feel.

I mean, the Bosmer kind of suck. They're a bunch of degenerated elf cannibals who have one cool power that permanently leaves them as eldritch horrors if they ever use it.

What power is that?

@@Grumbaki the Wild Hunt. They shed their elven forms and turn into powerful unspeakable monsters in defense of Valenwood and the Green Pact during times of great peril. Problem is, a Bosmer that invokes the Wild Hunt will forever be the monster, it will never turn back. TES lore is always more badass than what they put on screen. Would you believe that TESIV era lore had Skyrim as a nation with many powerful wild magic users, with wondrous wind and ice magics unlike anywhere else, where random mercenaries had a decent chance of knowing at least a bit of the Thu'um? Imagine we got that shit instead of some old dudes on a mountain, a shitty harry potter school, and a handful of other guys who know how to shout? Bethesda literally makes every setting the games visit more boring for some reason.

@@passingrando6457 Minus morrowind, and most that lore is old lore from Daggerfall and Morrowind. They just copy and past the books from game to game.

@@ValdVincent my question is: why? I can understand the changes where something would be hard to implement in, but some of the changes look more like laziness. Not to mention the ones to make the game look more like a fantasy series popular at the time, like Oblivion drawing from Tolkien or Skyrim from Game of Thrones. They often explain it (like Nords becoming distrustful of magic after the Oblivion Crisis, or Tiber Septim changing Cyrodiil to a temperate forest) but explaining why you made a setting less cool _doesn't justify making it less cool in the first place._ Full stop. Cryodiil would have been cooler as a jungle with Ayleid ruins towering magically concealed everywhere than generic Tolkien land, and Skyrim would have been way cooler with a bunch of Scottish Viking wild mages rather than dirty Norwegians who act like every Norse fantasy stereotype in the book.

And because of that, Daedra are immortal, Aedra are not.

wow is not like it used to be

@@udozocklein6023 nothing is, things change overtime. Grow up LMAO

@@zackhicks5320 why so stupid?

Thanks for the kind words. I hope you feel better soon buddy, I had covid for like 50 days back in 2020 so I know how much of a pain it can be. ❤️

Mankar may not even have been Altmer. He's a Camoran; logically, he would have been a Bosmer. It's implied he used Mehrunes' Razor to essentially rewrite his race.

@@LordMortanius Ah, thanks for the info. Elder Scrolls lore is a bit too dense for my liking at times.

Dude that would be awesome

Honestally?

good to see you here brother

Congratulation, Welcome to Paradise Brother.

Molag Bal, Mannimarco and Mankar Camoron are probably my favorite Elder Scrolls villains. Dagoth Ur is pretty intruiging as well.

If you like Molag Bal, play VIGILANT. The best depiction of the character to date.

After gods know how many playthroughs of Mass Effect, I've come to the thinking that Saren is actually an anti-villain, if only because his goals align with the Synthesis ending in 3. His methods were questionable, his intentions were to save the galaxy at the cost of humanity. Anti-villains are straight up some of the best written characters that exist because anyone you know could theoretically become an anti-villain.

You got it a bit mixed up. Molag Bal is the previous kalpa's ruler. His carapace became The Ruddy Man whom Vivec struck down. Dagon was a compassionate demon/daedra who tried to save as much of the kalpa from destruction as he could, and was cursed by Alduin to his current form until he destroyed the last vestige of Lyg remaining in Nirn. He does not remember this, but still feels the need to destroy _something_ dwelling within Nirn.

Aedric realm

They already had that plot line with the nine divines DLC

I agree. He’s got a video I made on him as well. Thanks buddy