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I’ve read the lore; people in the Mad Max universe started fleeing the cities in Australia due to rioting, looting and martial law. The energy crisis got worse and worse and the world’s government started ww3 out of desperation. Now, everyone has to either flee or fortify the ruined cities, taking them into the outback where Immortan Joe and other marauders can have their way with them.
Literally all of your problems with Immortan Joe can be applied to every civilization and all your critical points are absolutely necessary to nation-building. If you give the people everything they want and need, they’ll never stop taking and never learn to become self-sufficient. You need a hated enemy, a rigid caste system and a cult of personality because humans are naturally violent, narcissistic and short-sighted. If there is no god vs ants battle and no hope of being on the Gods’ side, civilization will never survive because there is nothing to work towards!
Let's not be too harsh on Immortan Joe, he was just really sad the world ended and he could no longer play his Speed Freaks Orks army in Warhammer 40 000 so he made his own with real people! It was probably cheaper than buying Warhammer 40k minis in Australia anyway.
FYI about the Guitar Guy : He is based on pre modern communications armies, back then we used army bands to convey orders as well as boost morale and scare the enemy. But as said, most important was that they could convey orders to the whole army fast, if you watch the movie again with this in mind, you realize he changes pace, rhythm when something new is happening as he is conveying orders to the convoy. And yes, it HAD to be that big in order to be heard over the engines. Also it's a real guitarist who's actually playing. He is actually one of the more thought out aspects of this already brilliant movie !
I can buy that but I really really doubt they thought the casual movie goers would actually catch that. Also, Joe's army acts more like a ravenous horde of barbarians that probably have no idea what what the music means other that it sounds cool as they go to valhalla.
Comms? Ever heard of flag signalling? The mongols used flags to communicate in the battlefield to great effect, no hassles,, no waste on guzzoline to drive such a huge rig.
Hi. Medical field here. Joe's issue appears to be radiation. He has burns, his innermost circle all seem to have mutations, and the war boys are made to look more skeletal. They mention that one has a half-life, and requires blood. Possibly an autoimmune disease? Possibly leukemia? Him spending all the resources to get them back makes perfect sense though. The girls literally represent the future for him. They are untainted by disease, and are capable of bearing children.
I thought that was what was happening to all of the people in Joe's utopia. Didn't Nux say something about like the tumors he had and how that killed a majority of the people? Also this movie reminded me of an old game called BattleTanx it was similar of a post apocalyptic world except the end was caused by a disease killed like 90% of all the women in the world. So a lot of wars were being fought over these women.
I've got to disagree here -- most end-of-the-world cults, when the due date comes and the world doesn't end, double down rather than rebelling. Immortan Joe's cult is all too realistic.
Sad but true; it's the Sunk Cost Fallacy in religious form. "Well, we've spent _this_ long believing that Judgement Day is right around the corner. We might as well keep believing. It would be a shame for us to be _wrong_ and concede after investing this much time and effort in our Doomsday Cult, right?"
@@BloodyBay This has already been studied by a psychologist when he studied some sort of UFO cult whose leader predicted that aliens would land on Earth and contact humanity on a certain date. The date came and went with no alien landings, but instead of the cult members losing faith in their leader and becoming disillusioned, the failed prophecy seemed to actually make their devotion to the cult stronger. The psychologist explained what happened pretty much the same way as you did; a Sunk Cost Fallacy in religious form (although he didn't use those exact words if I recall correctly).
@@LuisGarcia-rt9yh No, they were called The Seekers and all this happened back in the 1950s. The study was also published as a book called "When Prophecy Fails".
He should have indoctrinated them into believing he was a prophet not a god. At the very least, a religion doesn't tear itself apart upon the death of its prophet.
Another option would be what the Pre-Christian Romans did after the death of an Emperor. Namely only deifying him after death and his successor was safely on the throne.
north korea didnt tear itself apart when their god leader died gods moving on to the next world has been done since ancient egypt as long as you have a replacement its actually pretty stable and an arrogant enough replacement is a good defense against him being manipulated as a child, making the 18years of teaching unnecessary as long as he stays alive for a short time of revenge
@@MarkoFTW The most prosperous times for the muslim was after the death of the prophet, the Umayyad caliphate reach the greatest extent 118 years after his death.
Joe's army and predicament are just a reflection of himself. It's actually what makes it all so interesting and almost believable. Joe has been nicknamed Immortal and like many real men (especially former soldiers) will continue to view themselves in this light. It's believable that he would piss away his good years not looking forward. When he is finally saddled with the reality of his mortality, late in life, his all consuming desire would be his wives and children. Joe isn't a leader or a ruler, he is a warlord. The radiation and half-life of his warboys is pretty well established, the earth had been irradiated which lead to the current climate. We also get an idea on why he is still the leader even at such an old age, the outsiders who attack Joe are easily dealt with by him and the warboys. Their fanaticism is what makes them dangerous, and there were plenty more back at the Citadel to replace losses, not to mention any real threats. etc... Don't want to prattle on too long, ultimately what make Immortan Joe such a good "bad guy" is his humanity. He is old and vulnerable, his confidence is shaken by Furiosa's betrayal, and he spends the entire movie on the back foot. He is never in a position of power, the Protagonist and Antagonist share a struggle.
Mad Max saga as in on it self is kind of an allegory of how quickly people just turn into dumb, madden and violent animals, when the shit hits the fan.
Yeah.. But they don't, not for very long. People long for safety and stability. Feudalism actually worked for a good long while precisely because most nobles learned to be very hands off, let the common man live his life as he wishes, and require only a little from him, while holding all of the power over him.
Right. We Humans are terrible, awful predators, far more able to split in gore than to fare well in Wilderness. On one hand that's a weakness. On the other hand, well, that's probably a relief, since a significant proportion of people still might be interested by building, well, civilizations in order to help with that.
Fun fact about the flamethrower guitarist, there’s actually a very reasonable utility it has, and is use for. It’s a way for commands to get sent to those in the vehicles around it. I believe the system was the drums send messages to the guitar, and the guitar then sends those messages to the vehicles. Now there’s definitely a more efficient way to do this, but sometimes you just want style.
@@henriqueribeiro8167 I mean being blind doesn’t hinder playing the guitar, and he’s obviously not getting his orders from a teleprompter so it has to be that he’s getting told what to play. They’re probably certain drivers who’s job is to keep look out for fire signals, and tell their bard what to reply with.
Yeah but what if they fight amongst each other? Rictus is a manchild in a hercules body, eventually he may got fed up of being told what to do and try to kill colossus. Colossus may eventually think rictus as a deadweight and doesn't need rictus. And he eventually tries to kill rictus Either way, if this is the case: > If rictus won, now the citadel got an incompetent leader. Which eventually attracts coup or an attack from the neighbouring warlord > If colossus won, he may be a fairly smart dude. But his body left much to be desired. It's harder for him to intimidate his enemies and demand respect with that kind of body. Which eventually attracts coup or an attack from the neighbouring warlord
Scabrous Scrotus, Joe's third son, does actually appear in the Mad Max tie-in game they made for Fury Road. Not sure whether Max kills him before or after Immortan Joe, but I just thought I'd point that out.
He dies right before fury road. Max leaves gas town territory and ends deeper into immortal territory; the recent death of hope and glory are the reason he keeps having “visions” of them in the movie.
The NCR is doomed because they emulate a failed empire! I ceaser shall avoid this by emulating Rome another failed empire that coincidently was also the basis for the USA and by extension the NCR! My plan is flawless! Why do people think he's a smart villain again?
@@scutumfidelis1436 millenia is a little too much... But a good 700 years, is enough awesomeness! Unless you are considering the Byzantines. If then, i m sorry for downplaying the east empire.
Both the ncr and caesars are prone to a terrible fail... But the ncr as we know it shall live more, specially because after caesar dies, and hia successor is the beast of the east, rebellion shall soon overcome... While the ncr is more stable, but is repeating the same mistakes as the us, and sooner or later they will end in the same crossroads.
Honestly. I get how the religion of Joe in some weird way. First: the immortality stuff. This has worked numerous times in the past. All Joe or his successor would have to do is say that he reincarnates into the successor or that he moves on to the afterlife as a God. If it worked for the Chinese, north koreans, and the Egyptians, it can work for the... Joeans? And second: the Machine part. This hasn't been done before so no really world example to draw on but it could definitely work. Sure, humans made machines but the ability to make them or their actual functionality, through proper indoctrination, could very well be proposed as the divine part. Like, maybe they are taught that whenever they repair a machine whatever god they believe in besides Joe is inhabiting them or.guiding their hands or being awakened in the machine
I like the cult mechanicus's idea there god is respondible for the knowledge and each machine has a soul thats why there irregular you need to tend to the machines needs both physical as the omnisia decrees and spiritual prayer and percussive maintanance
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 yeah mainly cause it makes sense it also lends itself well to humanity is divine for we are given access to gods knowledge it's a neat system
Honestly when the idea of military tanks came up I just remembered that most of these people are with just basic knowledge in mechanics and basic chemistry, like the formula for gunpowder is only known by a few people so advance military specs would have to be rare and even more so someone who can read it , like max doesn’t even really remember who he was before the war it’s just his instincts that he remembered from advance combat training so yea joe was just some tough guy with a gun and got lucky
@@purplefood1 maybe, but without RU-vid could you make it? I wouldn't know where to start. You'd hope someone who knew how to make it might survive a nuclear war, or survive a nuclear famine, or butchered by roaming gangs
@@purplefood1 hahaha true but knowledge can sometimes be difficult to come by in end times. Sometimes hoarded and hidden sometimes destroyed through fear or jealously
Theres actually a video by "Logos made Flesh" that explains Immortan Joe has actually been attempting to produce an heir for many many years, explaining how the human cows (the fat women who are milked) were actually once his "breeders", but after repeated failed attempts at a healthy son, they were forced to become "milkers", the "Brides" in the movie were his last hope at a healthy son
Halo's Forerunners. They took some evil actions on occasion but it was always done in pursuit of the greater good as responsible caretakers of the galaxy.
All four of my Multiversal Empires in my planned novel series. Each has its own ways of maintaining their territories except for the one faction that dwells in dark matter spaces and pocket dimensions. At the same time, the four Multiversal Empires have a lot of heated rivalries between each other while fighting off both internal and external problems. Unionwealth let the independent planets run their own government unless it requires full-time supervision, while the main army of the Unionwealth handles the ongoing frontline battles for expansion. Cosmowealth is the opposite of the Unionwealth, domination is part of the standard process when the planet has valuable resources or civilizations, basically strict iron governance. CyberianHive may be the second-biggest faction and they were previously known to commit galactic genocide if the galaxy is either useless or being held by one of their enemies, but that was the past after a certain multiverse crisis, and now their AI Cyberpotent leader has taken the choice to test their captured planets if they are either loyal for the Cyber Hive's quest or resist until acceptance or execution. Warped Fragments are everywhere and nowhere, their ways of maintaining strong leadership are completely random or varying, but it all comes to one major requirement: Sacrificing all of your sanity and accepting the embrace of pain and insanity. They are like a virus that can appear out of nowhere and all three Factions hate these annoying motherfuckers.
The Shadow Church of the Mightnight RPG setting. 700 years of ruling a world that basically reads like "If Sauron won at Pellenor Fields and recovered the ring."
What do you expect from a race that has stripped itself of any sense of self control and moderation, combined with the very real fear of death (especially when they do not share a connection to the land of Thra that the Gelflings possess). Even if they won, their end was inevitable.
@M33ble which could be shown better. So far, the Mystics have been portrayed as perfect which really shouldn't be given what they are supposedly supposed to be
The really sad part is nothing in the movie even had to happen for Joe to lose. His entire society was built upon his war boys and raiding nearby settlements. Yet the surrounding landscape is utterly barren and his troops are too undisciplined to ever leave survivors or people with resources left. This means eventually there will be no one else to fight. This would leave Joe with a sucidal group of cancer patients who seek glorious combat and death... with no one to fight. Even if the Citadel could fully function without outside resources, most of the middle class and his warriors would probably not do well with idle hands. So even if every thing mentioned in this video didn't happen, the society would still fall.
An idea for Villains too stupid to live: the Robotech masters from Robotech. I give the Protoculture from SDF Macross a pass on your roast lists as they did better than Harmony Gold's stupid ideas.
@Joong Kim that was the Bdol Zer Fleet. There are still hundreds of smaller fleets still out there. Heck there might be fleets just as large as the one from SDF Macross.
It always came across as an incredibly inefficient foreign policy plan to me tbh. They see the value in humans but because they never actually bothered with negotiations they had no direction.
Theory. Imortan Joe was never really the true leader, he was simply the mouth piece of The Doof Warrior. How can he not be in charge if he is that frickin cool.
That's the problem when people start believing their own BS-propaganda. Kinda like if Kim Jong Un decided to stop using the bathroom. Because, you know, North Koreans are told that "dear leader" is so perfect that he never has to take a crap.
Actually......no. After Scotty discovered how to teleport across the stars, Starfleet should have been dissolved. And one could say 'it's no longer cannon' as the whole original show was rebooted- But oh wait. Leonard Nimoy was brought back as Spoke and introduced a younger Scotty to his principle thus making it no longer a 'reboot' but a 'continuation'. But man if that was used for a basic story concept instead of recent Star Trek series, like, "Starfleet has been rendered obsolete, star traveling teleport stations spread across the galaxy, highly protected but from within but a dark secret is hidden and uncovered by a few. To save the Federation and galaxy a small group of former starfleet crew members must take a small shuttle, the last shuttle designed and avoid the teleport stations guarded by the evil cabal bent on conquest to make their way to Earth to warn everyone." I would be interested in seeing that.
@@madisonatteberry9720 The total failure of Star Fleet to learn anything from Kirk's seven year mission, with everything resetting every week is the stupidest thing in Sci Fi. I'd love to see some cut in Tuvok commentary on the original series. People would loose their $hit.
@@madisonatteberry9720 I don't know if Starfleet would have been dissolved completely, but you're right, when you can teleport organic and inorganic matter across millions of light years using the same amount of power necessary to move a space ship, traditional means of space travel become inadequate. They'd still need space ships for colonizing worlds that don't have transfer stations and/or acquiring space exclusive resources, plus defending from asteroids and what-not, but yeah, Starfleet would be phased out and made less significant.
I would love to see you roast the elder god from the Legacy of Kain series. That guy sees a point where Kain could one day destroy him, and orchestrates things to the point where that exact thing might have happened if they would make another game in the series.
The music truck is not only for a morale boost. I think they use it to coordinate the army. Like drummers in the past. The music dictates if they should attack, chase, stop or do whatever. But maybe not.
Whats funny about these is everytime you point how a villain is too stupid to exist I can think of several real life examples of their stupidity. Which is why when I watch fiction stupid villains ring true to me.
Someone has never heard of religion, military, or government. Every point you made has been successful within those three groups for thousands of years. You made a video about how Joe would win for all of human existence and accidentally thought you were making a video about how he wouldn’t win. We have real life proof that everything he does works perfectly.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 It's complicated. Half the wars in history seem to be due to the problem of monarchical succession, and Joe's fighting tactics are crap. But most societies in history have been terribly abusive in similar ways to Joe's, and a large fraction of any population seems to prefer an abusive government (Republicans, say).
@@robertmiller9735 Democrats actually are the party that keeps adding in new government powers, don't forget most of the powers Trump now uses where made by Obama and the democrats.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD Both sides add to government powers. The Patriot Act was passed in 2001, under President Bush. It was supported by both Democrats and Republicans. The war on terror greatly expanded government surveillance, military, police, and extra-judicial powers. Obama and the Democrats promised they would curb those expansions. But with the exception of executive orders to reduce torture and NSA surveillance, they continued to use and expand most of those powers, like the drone program.
To be honest I'm surprised he even survived the early days of the collapse. Because he could've easily came up against a Government remnant faction that could've easily destroy his faction of bandits, Or any faction for that matter
@@stainedClass2112I meant some faction like the enclave but Australian Goverment. Plus more like military deserters like the BOS but stupider and less tech advanced.
The truck with the wall of music and flamethrower guitar is communication vehicle. By sending out light signals and the music he can issue commands to his fleet much like ships at sea using horns or lights.
Scrotus is the main antagonist of the mad max game (which is actually really good believe it or not) and Scrotus seems to focus more on making people fear him rather than actually ruling anything. such as elaborate scarecrow constructs containing the mutilated corpses of dozens of people dotted across the landscape and having his second in command be even crazier than he is be allowed to just roam about and kill whoever they find. If scrotus were to be in charge of the citadel, he would likely kill nearly all of the lower class people there.
@@steelbear2063 translated it would be "after me the flood" meaning that you don't care what happens to the world/environment after you've died or did/got what you wanted
While I agree with your every criticism of Immortan Joe's organization, I also think it's fair to say that all of those flaws were intentional creative decisions rather than mere oversights, given that so many of those chickens come home to roost within the plot itself.
I mean, the Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Necron civilziations DON'T exist anymore, the Imperium exists purely on inertia at this point, the Orkz and Tyranids have a near bottomless well of manpower and colonization capacity, although Tyranids are atavistic and instinct driven so they couldn't have a civilization to start with, and Ork civilization isn't, as they were just genetically engineered soldiers for the Old Ones, who's civilization also doesn't exist. The Tau are tiny and smol, and basically the only reason theirs still exists is because the Ethereals mind control everyone, and also because no one's gotten around to just exterminating them yet. So this wouldn't really work for a video.
Adam Carroll The imperium (or part of it) could work, and Orks have a ridiculously awesome civilization. It’s not very civilized, but it’s a civilization.
@@adamcarroll9613 Sorry but the Necrons still exist and are clearly the most advanced and well-established civ in the entire universe. They even defeated several gods at a time and enslaved them. And with the return of the Silent King, I would say it is the time for the Necrons to rule over the galaxy once again.
Classic example of "The bigger they are, the harder they fall". He literally got so big on his own hubris that he didn't even entertain the idea that someone could use it to bring him down. Also, nobody actually worships him.....they just pretend to be devoted to him so he can give them what they need (maybe minus his sons and the grown War boys) The People Eater and whoever the fuck ran the Bullet Farm were his actual siblings, and they talked trash about him and ribbed him to his face knowing what he does to people who question him, and like you said in the video, could have rebelled or cut off resources at any time to bring down this egomaniac....but they didn't, I think that goes to show that even if they aren't loyal, people will put up with anything as long as their boat isn't getting rocked. That goes to show how easily their loyalty changes when the Wretched rip apart his corpse, if they were truly devoted, they would still be worshipping his ideas and continuing his plan to keep them subjugated, like how the Soviet Union didn't end with Stalin. The younger war boys also don't even hesitate to bring up the people who literally killed their prophet, which shows that they were only loyal to the person who controlled the resources. The line "Do not become addicted to water" always gave me the willies, and considering we are still dealing with the fallout of the MAGA administration, I have no issues believing he has convinced some people that water is an addictive substance......despite the fact that any human will DIE if they go 3 days without it! He is literally trying to convince people that something your body cannot live without is something you don't need! Sound familiar? Oh yeah, the American healthcare system!
Behind the scenes tidbit: the Bullet Farmer's vehicle was a custom built prototype military tank with a classic Dodge shell affixed to it. According the cast and crew, it was the worst vehicle on the roster. Its tracks snapped all the time and early on they basically had to rebuild it's transmission after every take. The Giga horse had its own list of malfunctions including how to weld to engines together and actually make it work. All of the vehicles in this are real vehicles George Miller wanted that specifically, that all the vehicles were real and were driveable.
2:17 It was unfair to Mikhail Kalashnikov for that character to be given his name. Mikhail only got into weapon design out of the necessities of his time and place. He's quoted as having said that he would have preferred to use his engineering skills to design farm equipment and lawnmowers. 24:04 "Brought us back from the brink" is exactly - and I mean verbatim - what Kyle Reese said about John Connor. 24:10 "He's still out there somewhere" is probably a reference to the trailer for 'The Road Warrior' where the announcer says, "Pray he's still out there...somewhere."
Scrotus was the Antagonist in the Mad Max Videogame. Joe was such a Joke, he died so fast, I looked at my Phone for a Second, and missed his Death Scene.
The Age of Strife was rich with fanatic rulers whose reign lasted short before another one took over. Many Immortan Joes had to be crushed under the emperor's heel before mankind was united again.
Ok slight detour for about 17:35 tank is about the worst type of vehicles to have in this setting short of an actual ship, its slow, burns through petrol like there is no tomorrow, it's expensive as fuck to maintain, and in the desert its literal oven. They should really invest in the light vehicles as they do, and some airships or light airplanes for scouting.
Scrotus was in the Non-Canon Video game they made. He ended up fighting Max, getting a chainsaw blade in his head for his trouble. He ended up surviving for the rest of the game, until max pulled the blade out and killing him
I've always wondered if Joe's ego stems from the PTSD he has from witnessing the collapse of civilization, his obsession with producing a healthy heir and rebuilding the world might be more for self-assurance that there would be something left after the nukes stopped raining down.
Joe is the good guy. Watch how our main characters squander water. They stop in the desert to take baths. The Vulvalini wasted all the water at The Green Place of Many Mothers. When they steal the aquifer, they immediately just leave it running. How long till it goes dry too? And regarding the “slavery” of the ladies. How do you think all those mutated homeless cannibals downstairs would treat young women who looked like that? They’d be raped constantly until they eventually starve to death and get cannibalized. Joe keeps them safe, fed, and educated. All he asks in return is for them to perform their natural bodily functions. And he does this in the interest of saving humanity. Humans are horribly deformed and dying off. He’s breeding the least deformed people to try to prevent extinction. The Vulvalini will wipe out the survivors in a matter of weeks. Why do you think Max left? He was fleeing from these short-sighted idiots and their terrible leadership.
At the end of the day moral fools cannot save anyone they will seek a path that (falsely) saves their conscience rather than doing smth that builds a better tomorow.
I'm sure this comment has been made a few times at least but the rig with the bil ol drums and huge speakers is actually how any of the war-boys hear any orders over the sounds of the V8s.
this guy really hates villains ngl. He probs thinks he can be a better villain than any and every villain ever. Either that or he is jealous of their powers/abilities.
16:30 ill absolutely grant most of your points, but the music car actually does make sense. It serves the same purpose as drummers did in armies, to relay orders over the group quickly and without confusion. The massive amped up guitar riff will a little hard to hear over the engine roar, but it is better than nothing
WAIIIIT just a minute, when you talked about all Joe's vehicles you conveniently left out the WAR RIG that Furiousa has stolen, she took his most capable assault vehicle.....
Joe’s third son, scabrous scrotus, is killed by Max in the Mad Max video game. I’m not sure if that is canon or not, so it just adds to the fact that Joe doesn’t have some to take over after him.
