Vince Russo & Disco Inferno ARGUE over WWE 

There is zero chance this is true. If they could draw millions with reruns of Raw from 25 years ago they’d be doing it already. They know what the numbers of people who rewatch that stuff are - they had the network for years.

​@@jm19094Nonsense. Air anything from the 90s it beats anything today.

​@@jm19094 what he meant is, if Raw '98 aired fresh new today head to head with Raw '24. Of course it's not gonna get all those millions of views after 25+ years of being aired, the old fans already saw it, the kids will either have recency bias or just catch clips/highlights. If anything tho, the fact that we still talk about Attitude, and that the old clips are still seen, shows that era is still relevant. And, sorely missed.

@@carlosnn8150 What you are saying is still a re-run though. How else could old Attittude fans exist?

@@adamkeller7749 what i meant is, if we had never-seen-before Raw 98 today, not re-run, just imagine it time-traveled to today without anyone else watching it til now. Or rather, if we were in 1998 and were presented with both a brand new episode of Raw from back then, and an episode of Raw '24 that time traveled back. Or rather, about 5 episodes each + a ppv, so people can get a real taste of storylines.

they dont even call them "views" they call them "impressions" which is if you scroll past it or see it on your twitter timeline but dont actually watch it, they call that an "impression". Which means they even lowered the bar for what is considered a "view on social media" lmfao. Disco can barely get a good mic working so dont expect him to know the difference between a view and an impression

​@@georgealvarez1195 really good point.

@@georgealvarez1195 you really want to hear that 🪩 🐸 voice more clearly? Ha.

Thank you.

Neither does the views that come from ratings.

Disco actually talked for seven minutes straight. I can’t take no more….

Even though the quantity and quality of people watching wrestling continues to decrease

Vince has no argument with the "quality" aspect. 75% of the stuff Russo created and put on national television across the 3 promotions he worked for was straight garbage. The only good stuff he ever did was with Vince and some of his midcard wwe stuff. The rest was lowbrow trash that couldn't air on tv today

@@nathanpritchard5114 lowbrow and all, it put asses in seats and kept people watching, if anything he did wrong was overdosing on swerves and crash tv at times (specially in wcw, where he just wanted to one up the good ole boys and the iwc). plus nowadays if indeed disco is right and everyone's cutting the cord then all the more reasons to go more risqué, since there's way less censorship online than on tv. true, russo is better when partnered up w/good filters (vkm, dutch mantell, ed ferrara), but his point still stands, if anything his bad storylines (which still drew a couple million households to tv, no small feat) should prove that good storylines/promos matter - and on the other hand, the fact that more "purist" promotions/eras only had niche audiences and nothing more, prove that focus on good storylines/promos is better (without detracting from matches as much either), specially now that everyone knows it's scripted and purist approaches are less believable and thus less entertaining.

@@carlosnn8150hahaha you know almost every show wwe has sells out right?? People go to the shows lolol this isn’t aew

Absolutely. The wnba is setting traditional television viewership records in '24. Even with dvr, RU-vid, streaming, etc.

@@DiversityJackson exactly. If something is interesting to people, they will watch.

@@terranceburrs5832 Absolutely. Breaking Bad and Walking Dead came out in the heart of the streaming/dvr/netflix/Hulu boom and they both drew huge traditional television audiences throughout their runs.

​@@DiversityJacksontv ratings are literally a giant guess. They dont actually secretly track what you watch on television and if you stiol think they do you might just be stupid. The only people who attribute towards viewership are Neilson households and you aren't one. Youd know it if you where.

If the company wasn't making money you'd use that as proof that the stories aren't good.

@@DManCAWMaster no I wouldn't and that would be stupid. I say the shows aren't good and they lack storylines and character development based on watching the shows; and the ratings constantly going down is a good indicator of a show not being very good.

@@terranceburrs5832 The ratings go back and forth and you can compare them to other shows and how popular they are in comparison to the other programs.

If it wasn't for corporate Rock and other nostalgia bait, they would have blasted the product already

This is absolutely not true. Vince’s shows by the time he left made no sense and was a bunch of nonsense put together. I like triple h’s booking because it feels like episodic television. You don’t have to like his booking, that’s your prerogative. But that’s why I like it.

@@Wubbit_Reacts well yeah hhh era is better than the last 5-10 years of vkm, but that's a low bar tbh. and if the current product had been vkm-written, people would be hatin on it just the same.

@@Wubbit_Reacts what I'm about to say is how I know you are delusional and blinded. The shows don't end with any cliffhangers to start the show off the next week, so how can it possible feel like episodic television? There is no connection and the shows are comprised of random, long wrestling matches. For example, they may have a main event match with Sami Zayne vs JD McDonough and end the show with that and no cliffhangers, and then the start of next week's show doesn't pick up where they left off because they didn't end the show with anything meaningful. Like I said, you guys convinced yourself that this stuff is good because you like the fact Triple H's name is attached to it, but this is not a good product.

@@carlosnn8150 nah I disagree. The reason triple h doesn’t get a lot of heat is because he listens to the fans. Vince only listened and did what he wanted which is why it got so stale. Under H the match times went up, the episodic storytelling got way better overall, there are more “main event” talents or at least more “over” talents than there has been in years. Wwe is on fire right now, ticket sales are up everywhere, etc. So I fully disagree that all of these things would be the same under Vince. It’s clearly different.

Let's not talk like a zealot just because Vince doesn't agree and he doesn't like the show. Glenn's argument holds. At some point it's not shilling if you're arguing numbers and the views are there whether we like it or not.

Raw can't even draw 2 million, bro. Russo written Raws drew upward of 8-10 Million in the US alone...

@briandawkins6174 yeah because shilling Doesn't involve having a whole entire youtube channel Dedicated to trashing the company you don't like. Disco's a jackass...

@@mattleeeyou mean the rock and stone cold raws were drawing millions

@aaronpavis. It’s not just Disco it’s the entire Wrestling fandom that have lowered their expectations.

Your mom lowered her expectations last night

​@@nikobellic8627That comes with believing WWE is a great product

Being best friends with konnan does that

Bloodline has been hot 4yrs plus , STFU lol

We had VHS lol. And we recorded every Raw every week for kids who didn't have cable

@@mattleee but, you still watched it live. You needed to see Puppies! Ha.

Can’t believe it took that long. Disco wouldn’t shut up!! Damn!!

That, and the mark fans who are still watching wrestling are now in their 40s and 50s and have plenty of money to spunk on lame wrestling merchandise

Theya absolutely reflect that. Dont let loser neckbeards and DORk triple h stans gaslight ypu in to thinking they are in a "boom " period. the product is GARBAGE

That storyline with Taker was stupid

@@kdizzle901 how was it stupid!? Lol

@@Whatnot627 Russo bullshit

@@kdizzle901 good point lol

​@@kdizzle901it was still better than fighting over bracelets and "i'm gunna pin u 123 bc muh dada says im better" vanilla ole rasslin angles that only indierific iwc cornette/punk/hart fans love.

TV ratings are just as corruptible

You're going off of a conspiracy theory and then claiming that's what they're really 100% doing.

They are blatantly not getting 40M real views

TV ratings are just as corruptible

You seriously think the product is 'solid'? 😂😂

He gets paid to hate the product

@@mattleeeyeah Raw this week was anything but that

I do occasionally and it's always a WWF shirt from 1999 or 2000

@@ShortPunk27 Oh yeah you rockin that nWo wolfpac shirt!

Only ones I see rarely is the attitude era and maybe ruthless agression at the latest. That stuff is considered cool cause it's vintage now though. I haven't seen anyone rocking anything 2010 to present 😂

@@analiysanchez9949 I seen somebody wearing a Roman Reigns shirt at the bar like 6 months ago.

I saw a woman at a bus station in San Diego wearing a Rhea Ripley “Miami’s always on top” t shirt. I was shocked

Either that, or the mark idiots watching WWE are also avid users of social media 😂

You must be old. Ha.

Yea you can fabricate the internet numbers but you cant tv ratings. TV ratings show the authenticity of a show's true popularity.

The guest host era was a tad better in numbers but dwindling in quality, if it had had better quality it would have remained attracting guest hosts (maybe better ones), still perhaps it was better than today?

You Vince Russo marks are so obsessed with ratings it's insane. The NBA, NFL, MLB, everything has been losing ratings for years. Not everyone has cable anymore. Social media and streaming services have taken over. Stop living in the 90s and get with the times

​@RMN789 But those aren't accurate. The "millions of views" are fake. Even those generic "WWE is on fire" comments are bots. It's one million actual people watching, compared to millions of bots, algorithms etc. More: Plus people used to want to watch the whole show. Now people can be happy watching a 3 minute highlights clip on yt.

Amen

Plus bots

And Tony dont? Lol I just proved you wear wigs

You will see how much wwe pumps into bot farming when you go to their TikTok Tiktok doesn't have as sophisticated of a bot system as others and 90% of the responses in their posts are half naked girls saying generic 'that was great' type stuff lol. It's sad

​@@nikobellic8627AEW has a bot farm too, just not as impressive - so far, he's only had 5 years at it. Besides, he throws enough money around elsewhere as it is (bloated salaries, bloated videogame series, etc)

When my wife's random girl friends are into wwe. You know it's popular

@@MichaelPainter-v7w same here dude. Prices are going crazy now. I remember going to the shows with my dad and whole family in the mid 90s at the Horizon. Tickets weren't even close to this much.

In future wwe might be off tv past the bloodline it's not worth it tbh.

I mean isn't that just smart business practices? Why would you intentionally limit the potential to make money

Russo leaving WWF in late 1999 led to the continual 25 year downward spiral in ratings since the year 2000

Perfect analogy. It's ridiculous

Don’t blame him wwe is on fire lately, and they actually make a profit

@@devicebackup664 Do u really think the product is good lately and not the same it has been all along

@@GregOGrady84 The important thing is WWE is way more watchable than a couple of years ago. I only hope they improves more

​@@devicebackup664true, but that is a low bar tbh

The contracts go by far more than TV ratings.

@@DManCAWMaster Wait they do? I thought they went off of merch sales and ticket sales...........No shit they go off of more than TV ratings dude. What a bonehead statement. Every single person watching this video knows major broadcasting contracts go off of more than just TV ratings. Who do you talk to that you have to say the most obvious stuff like that? You think we dont know that? What you said is so obvious, it doesn't need to be stated.

💯 he absolutely sucks

None of the main eventers are over. It's all faux "trending", piped-in chants, and hype.

50% of 40 million is 20 million i.e way more views than anything that Vince ever produced in his entire life

@DManCAWMaster It's over 50 per cent. Same people watching again and again. Plus, algorithms show that if you even scroll past a "recommendation", it counts as a view.

@@DManCAWMaster That's not only harsh as heck...it's true. Just think...the greatest McMahon ever did was maybe a 12...and that was one time. Jump forward to now, and they are lucky to pull a 2. If marks and promoters actually understood numbers or actual business...they wouldn't be talking about the hottest point of wrestling being 40 years ago with Hulk Hogan. RIP Wrestling. Died back in '99. They dumped the body off the coast of New Orleans. Good to see Disco still around though.

And besides, most of the 42million are bots from India that gave a like to a 45 sec clip on xitter.

You must be an incel

To some degree you are right, WWE makes similar mistakes than AEW, but to a lesser degree. The E has a bit more sports entertainment, but it is a lamer downgrade of even the Ruthless Aggression era sports entertainment. Likewise AEW is a lamer version of ROH/ECW, which is already a niche audience to begin with.

He does look like an older cab driver.

Gunther is fi e. Being g booked wrong. Should be a chicken shit heel that cheats to win..

​@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234idk if chickenshit, but perhaps more vicious and evil heel, wrecking opponents w technique but also being extra haughty and cruel and cheating (not to win but to be extra mean) bc "he's just better than these american peasants" and being cocky ahole in interviews, so then a face can get over trying to beat him clean (forcing heel gunther to get more chickenshit cheat at times, at others more cruel), while also trying to one up him on mic - perhaps play up gunther foreigner angle, even more so if local face is erm "not european" so as to get more shock value. But then again, is there any great or even good face up to the task? Overrated comedy indierific face sami zayn is def not it. Then again, this is booking for iwc nerds and videogame nerds and teens/women, they dont know better. But since the E has no competition, it will simply keep meandering thru, and shills will call it a "success" - until the bad tv catches up and the honeymoon hhh boss period is done (even then, corporate rock/cena/taker/brock/other returns, and other blasts of nostalgia will always come in handy).

Agreed with everything, up to loving HHH - he sucked as a wrestler, and you're smoking something strong if you think he's writing anything whatsoever. They have rooms full of Hollywood phoneys writing this trash.

​@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 why should Gunther cheat to win when he's bigger than 90% of his opponents

What's to like? Ha.

The only point Disco kinda has going for him is on attendances keeping strong, but even then it isn't the end-all be-all metric, the product is mediocre but decent enough to stay above the rest and simply become the "wrestling show" everyone goes to see when they are in town, not because they are following the product, but rather because there is no other "wrestling show" to go see. Just like many in general today go see sports/concerts as attending to events to fit in the middle to upper class that can do so, and not as fans. Pretty much like going to the circus or the fair, same things every year but it's fun enough and there are no competitors, and the whole town goes, so must you. Or like you say, like going to McDonalds.

Nothing is original. All stories can be broken down to a couple of narrative structures. The key is suspension of disbelief i.e to write things in such a way that it makes people BELIEVE that what they are watching is original.

@@DManCAWMaster true, altho that becomes harder when the stories repeat (and even worse if they can be looked up and watched online). that's why some revamping is needed, to keep disbelief. also, that's why attitude/ruthless aggro did well when focused on current events/trends, instead of the "i'm betta than u ima pin u 123 fo the belt come sunday" same old angle, even worse when paired up with videogame/choreography matches.

How

@@kdizzle901 it's not believable and nobody goes over

@@marchie2 they’re both already over AF ur trippin

@@kdizzle901 sami zayn is stale....gunther is over

@@marchie2 crowds say otherwise pal

Somebody tell him wwe is a tv show and not an internet show lol. In movie opening box office numbers matter and not watching later on other platforms numbers.

Your mom suffered from cognitive dissonance last night

@@nikobellic8627 Dude. You are almost 40 years old and making momma jokes in a comments section. Hahaha!

See here's the problem you and disco never consider, you guys say TV ratings and views don't matter that much because people watch it other ways but when it's time to get sponsors and secure streaming deals do you know what metric and argument holds the most water in contract negotiations? Ratings and TV viewership.

That's like saying opening box office numbers of a film does not matter wat matters is how they can see on other platforms later.

good

Good thing we are no where near the best its ever been then right? We all know thats true.

@@georgealvarez1195 totally agree

The product will NEVER be even a fraction as good as it was when Vince Russo was writing.

Wwe is not even ok at this point without the rock who is an attitude era guy and they are still primarily relying on him for views even today tells you the state of wrestling. Once the bloodline thing is done that's it.

The streaming viewers are included in the rating....

That's not what's going on at all. Wwe if fudging numbers and specifically interested in tricking investors. They're charging 50k for WM seats. 1 mark buys in and they'll say 'highest grossing' to imply they're more popular now.

Yes and no. The current viewer on the one hand does fetishize and watches imitations/ripoffs of the good ole iwc-beloved 5 star matches of the newgen era (which didnt draw) and ole school tag teams, but hates the actual successful storylines (and worse, they make the matches way more videogame choreographed than any 90s ECW supercard match). And on the other hand, when the current viewer does pay attention to a storyline, they go for lowest common denominator lamer rehashes of older Attitude/Ruthless Aggro stuff, that only appeal to them bc they're modern teens/women that don't know better: like Street Profits (glorified Cryme Tyme, Nation of Domination, etc) and Liv/Dom/Rhea storyline (glorified Chyna/Eddie/Lita storyline, etc). Still, at least the latter somewhat risqué examples/storylines show that they are trying to get past the PG era stigma, but they are still lamer than the worst Russorific angles of the 90s (or just as lame, at best). Another example, the Wyatt Syxx angle that tried to be innovative but went way too far and became cringe, farther than even the crazier Ministry of Darkness stuff. Besides, when mixed with marky worship of matches/angles solely put together for "muh 20 min 5 star bangers" videogame style, then it is a strange combo and it falls apart.

Is the weekly television shows good? No. That's the point, not how much money they are bringing in.

@@terranceburrs5832 Alright then would you prefer to bring the old regime under Vince ? (that"s what Viniryu here wants) was that a good product ? you do realize how many fans it did drove off ? no product is perfect (including this one) but this is miles better than the last one

@@chedysouilhi7408 the product is still the same! That's what you guys don't realize. There are only some insignificant differences like longer wrestling matches. You are still seeing pracrically everyone getting 50/50 booked, constant re-matches every week for a couple months at a time, very little storylines and character development, no development of the women's tag division and women's division as a whole, the belts having no meaning (especially the tag titles for the men and women), start-stop storylines, etc, etc.

​@@chedysouilhi7408 Russo hated the last years of McMahon product even more thsn what is on now. Being better than that is a low bar. Plus the E has sold out in Europe forever, even in the lamest of eras (newgen, for example)

WWE has lost 80% of its audience since Russo left. Inflation has made everything extremely expensive, including event tickets...

😂🤡😂

Raw was selling out 40,000 seat areas in 1998. It makes 'more' money today because inflation has savaged the international economy.

Wwe is a tv show they are competing in the tv business internet is on the sidelines. On the internet you can fabricate by getting bots subscribers have a online PR team and getting multiple downloads by a single person to add to those numbers. You cant fake things on tv if wwe dont care abt tv ratings they shud just cancel their shows from tv and stay online.

Where has Russo said that watching it live is the only way? You've literally made that up. Also, Disco speaking of record numbers are attributed to record-high ticket prices and inflated attendance numbers that do not correlate with the turnstile figures. This has been an ongoing tradition for promoters across many live events. It's frequently revealed but forgotten about days later due to the modern way we ingest bulk loads of media. Let me add, internet impressions do not always equate to ad revenue. Scrolling down a Tik Tok video or any social media platform that has an autoplay/preview feature will count towards an impression. It is not a financially incentivised 'hit'. It's become a running joke, too, that WWE social numbers/followers have been found to be 'bought'. There are sites out there that show the numbers of legitimate followers as opposed to 'paid-for followers'. WWE is no different here. Comments with instantly thousands of likes in a matter of minutes are most likely from click-farms/bot-farms. Young people don't pay bills. Their parents do. Now if WWE were to ditch the TV format and go all in with content creation for online, you'd really see how accurate Disco's point is. But as long as WWE shop their shows to networks for licensing fees, Disco's point about the internet is questionable at best.

Catering to the internet (and/or trying to swerve it) was the downfall of Russo in WCW. At any rate, Disco would have a point if all that was aired was the 5 minute clip with 50 million views solely online. But it wasn't, it's a tv show. And unless the cord is cut, tv metrics still matter. And heck, even when the cord is cut, then the competition will be the myriad choices on streaming services, which even then many times are in good episodic format. So the latter will not be going away.

This Daniel Sims character is always trolling in comments of Russo videos, such a strange schill 🤡

@@mattleee I don’t troll, you can’t accept that Russo was bad for the wrestling industry and you have zero facts to tell me otherwise 🤷🏿‍♂️

It doesn't have to be bloodbaths or Mae Young's hand, but something better than "muh dada says i'm better than u, i will pin u 123 come sunday" would be nice.

​@@carlosnn8150or fighting over a friendship bracelet😂

@vespasianflavius2766 The bracelet was of sentimental value. That's what was so relatable to the story. It was more than just a bracelet, it ment something to Punk. You have never been in that situation? I know I have

@@GeDiction223 12 year old girls care about friendship bracelets. It's not like it's the memento of a dead lover or something. I understand the sentiment, but could have done something way more interesting.

You watch clips because the show sucks and you could never sit through 2 or 3 hours of that trash

​@@mattleeethat's me I try to watch but struggle to get threw the constant super kicks fests.

Yes I skipped through whole scenes in Breaking Bad until I see Walter White. 😂 but it's a great show still

So basically a lamer pg version of Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy (or any other shoot backstage love triangle), cool. Wake me when they have something interesting, whether it's on netflix or uhf.

@@carlosnn8150 Love triangles or some modern day BLUTO butting in when he shouldn't never gets old, even after thousands of years!

@@pulsarstargrave256 i agree, it is better than "ima gunna beat u 123 foe the title come sunday bc u fight dirty"... but u can make em more interesting than a bracelet, u can for example have the guy using all the old stuff the ex left at the wife's home, play around w the ex's kids who call mom's new lover "dad", etc... get cray w/it

@@carlosnn8150 I'm thinking along the lines of Ric Flair's claim that Elizabeth was one of his ex girlfriends and he had photos to "prove" it! Flair to Savage: "You bought the cow after I got all the milk for nothing!" That was my favorite angle when Flair was in the WWF for a cup of coffee!

@@pulsarstargrave256 that was a good one, wish it coulda been pursued further

I was right. Russo videos getting half the views from older ones. Ha.

No, Bloodline is not "huge" for WWE. Hulk Hogan being a genuine mainstream star was huge. Attitude Era, especially when Rock did Scorpion King was huge. The storyline might be big in the context of crap WWE has been for the last 20 years, but it literally has zero impact outside of wrestling.

@@Am0ment0fB Obviously older videos will have more views if they are up longer

@@handsolo1209 Your comparing things from before and after Kayfabe. You just can't do that. Wrestling in the main stream died when Kayfabe finally died for good.

People know Roman Reigns and Cody. Stop it now. They are playing Cody's theme at college football games. Ha. ​@@handsolo1209

Record inflation

If they had the numbers today that they had during the Hulkamania era, they would be making 50 times what they are making now.

@@dustin6528only semi true, they’re still selling out venues left and right despite the prices so it must be doing something right

​@@handsolo1209great, now explain the record attendance levels? Stop it now. 🛑 Ha.

@@Am0ment0fB Yeah...Hogan drew 60,000 fans to a house show. They don't get that for 10 house shows these days. Also, at the peak of Hulkamania, they ran 4 house shows PER NIGHT, EVERY NIGHT.