00:00 Madeline Soto Case Background 02:21 Stephan Sterns Police Interview 05:43 Did Sterns Think He Get Away With It? 17:03 Was Sterns Using Jenn Soto? 24:26 Jenn Soto Police Interview 25:25 Did Jenn Soto Turn A Blind Eye? 40:12 What Did Madeline Soto Think? Catch up on FL v. #StephanSterns: www.courttv.com/tag/stephan-sterns/?
39:18 Were those pornographic drawings made by Maddie, as stated in this report? Others have said in the comments her killer Stefan Sterns made those sketches. If that is the case, @CourtTV got it very wrong and should post a correction here in the video description or comments. I feel those drawings are far more likely to be the work of a paedophile/child sex killer, than his young victim.
Hearing him say she was too young to have crushes and date boys AND be sexually active is DISGUSTING knowing what he was doing to her for YEARS. stole her childhood, her trust, and stole her very life. Despicable.
@@kitlee172 why else would they be asking about her menstrual cycle or lack there of? And I’m gonna put my tinfoil hat on so pardon me for a few seconds… OK I’m back I tend to believe that there is a horrific, very expensive video file swimming around in webs somewhere of this evil, monstrous loss of life(s).
Appreciate that you/GTC can always be counted on to keep the focus on Maddie . . . factual focus. You never lose the sense that that's what is most important. Justice for Maddie. 🐻
It infuriates me that Jenn has always been so selfish, playing the victim and using her mental health to be so weak. I know plenty of people who live with bipolar, depression, anxiety who work hard to push past it and live a productive life while protecting their children. They don’t just take drugs that blunt them and hide their head in the sand
You've got that right. I'm a Mom with PTSD, post partum depression, and anxiety and I have chosen a combination of therapy, diet, exercise, and minimal medication to handle my symptoms. My son's safety, health, and happiness always comes first. I'm lucky enough to be a SAHM and I make sure that my son eats healthy, has play dates with his cousins, goes to the playground, and the public library every week. My son is showered with love, attention, and affection from both of his parents. Medication cannot solve mental health issues all by itself. It takes therapy to overcome the trauma along with exercise and having a purpose. My purpose is to be the best Mom that I can to my son so he can live a happy and healthy life. I am also an alcoholic and I've been sober for almost 5 years. IMO Jenn uses medication to spend her time sleeping instead of trying to heal her trauma through therapy. It's a lot easier to hide from your trauma than it is to face it and do the work to heal from it. I'm not a mental health professional and I am only speaking from my personal experience.
@@snowwhite2524 thank you for being a great mom and putting your child first. Sending ❤️ from me to you I may have some ADD/ADHD but got through A BS in Nursing School by making sure I exercised and stayed active. I stopped taking meds for depression because they didn’t seem to help. Nature soothes my soul. I live within a few hours of the beautiful Mountains of the PNW
And she did NOT want to press charges!!! 😮 That blew me away! She seriously asked the police to NOT press charges!!! I agree with others, she needs to be locked away in the psych ward.
@@ThriveCollective1188that’s the phrase that kept running through my head when they played that clip too! It was so disgusting and creepy coming from him🤮🤬
If she was so disconnected from reality, she should have found some place better and safer for Maddie. Jenn’s parents, Maddie’s dad, something! I don’t believe for a second Jenn had no idea what was happening. I believe Maddie was a buffer. Jenn had the ‘relationship’ without any of the work. She offered up Maddie. No woman is stupid enough to believe nothing is happening when you have a grown man in bed with a young girl.
I want the mother in jail ASAP. And I notice with this killer Stephen Sterns and the Delphi murderer, go into prison a little overweight but when it's court date, they've are significantly skinny!🧐 I wonder why do they lose weight so much weight? They don't feel bad when harming a child but in prison, they do?
Her mom said never trust a man, yet she sends her daughter to sleep with a man, even when they were broken up. She was afraid of an eventual Woody Allen situation yet she took no mesures to protect her child. She is not even outraged, doesn't degrade him. That says alot. Would also like to know why she told Maddie she will disown her at 18. This woman deserves no immunity, she should be in jail for child endangerment at least.
Right!? A lot of her statements contradict herself. Saying her mom said never trust a man, yet she says I guess I was too trusting. Then worried about Stephen running away with her daughter when she turns 18 but tells her she will disown her at 18. That really opens up the possibility of Stephen doing the exact same thing! She would have nowhere to go and that would give Stephen an excuse to leave with her. She also says I believe the sexual stuff but didn't believe he would do anything evil to her. Ummm the sexual stuff is him doing evil things to her. Why doesn't she see it that way?
Every SINGLE word…..I agree! The only emotion came from the visual evidence that police showed her, and even at that she still thought he had ONLY SA on Maddie, surely not MURDER her!🤬🥹
Jenn cared more about SS than Maddie. Jenn loves her meds more than Maddie. RIP Maddie, you didn’t deserve the mother you had. You didn’t deserve this flabby monster’s abuse!
AGREE! I'd also like to add that Jenn loves HERSELF more than Maddie. SS is so DISGUSTING not only for what he did, but he is just creepy and GROSS to look at! That poor beautiful little girl never had a chance! I just want to slap some sense into Jenn. She acts like she is so stupid and she's not. Neglectful, emotionless, careless, and a sorry excuse for a mother, but stupid she is not.
BRAVO Court TV for inviting Gisela to the conversation once again! No one does true crime better. So proud to be a member of the Grizzly True Crime community. Justice for Madeline. This precious child was left unprotected by most of the adults closest to her. She deserved better.
That's the question we all want to know! How could they not see what so many of us clearly do see regarding JS. There just is I feel just in what we just watched probable cause to arrest her. Idk that they have not made that decision, but they want to have all they need to make the arrest and for the conviction. That's at least what I am hoping beyond hope is going on. Nobody wants to just have a witch hunt. That is clearly obvious here. She knew, imo she definitely knew!
This case makes me furious. It was her mother’s responsibility to protect Maddie. And she basically just handed her daughter over to that horrible, disgusting man.
As a parent, a mother, I can't imagine telling your live-in boyfriend to sleep with your young daughter. She needs to be in prison. The detective gives him too much credit, saying you're smart.
This woman didn’t “turn a blind eye” - her eyes were WIDE OPEN and she knew what was going on. She gave her child to this man with the one rule that they not become a couple. Absolutely sickening!!! I pray for justice for Maddie - not just with that monster but for her so called mother
Can you cite the statute that makes it illegal to sleep in the same bed with a minor? From a legal perspective, they cannot charge her with a crime that does not exist. Even so, CPS could have removed her from the home if they had known what was going on.
It's almost impossible to prove that she knew, that's why. If being neglectful, checked out, and in denial were criminal, there'd be a WHOLE lot of people in prison.
Okay that Woody Allen comment has squashed any lingering doubt I had about Jen’s involvement. That, and the “not evil” comment. She knew. She absolutely knew!
Then in another interview 2 days before this, she wasn’t sure he should be charged for the SA! She wanted him to walk out of there the night he was arrested
Jennifer Soto offered her daughter up on a silver platter to that paedophile, to do his worst - and he did. For years she let that creep go to bed with her precious, defenceless little girl, and have full, unsupervised access to her. It is plainly obvious she knew he was sexually abusing Maddie, and she was clearly absolutely fine with it. Jennifer Soto actively enabled her child's rape and murder, she must get proper jail time for her criminal child neglect. Her crocodile tears in front of police are all for herself. She's a poor excuse for a mother. Child neglect is child abuse, and this is some of the worst category. Make an example of her - prosecute and lock her up! Bad enough she opened up their home to that lazy parasite who contributed nothing (Madeline told her counsellor he ate all their food, and made her feel uncomfortable). That alone is a red flag that Madeline's needs/wishes were zero priority to her mother. Why did she let him move in at all? What the hell did Jennifer Soto even get from that relationship? Sterns spent no money on them, in fact he was a drain on their family resources, and was even suspected of stealing from them, eg Maddie's birthday cash (he made a habit of this, he stole money and jewellery from his parents too). Jennifer obviously didn't even want to sleep with him - she pushed that chore onto her innocent child. She's obviously one of those pathetic women who must have a boyfriend at any cost, for appearance's sake. She can't bear to be single for 2 minutes, even when being single is a far better option than dating a man who is not only a creepy misfit and loser, but is abusing and endangering your child!
Me too! Was giving her benefit of the doubt of being uneducated and dumb but that sure changed my view too 100% turn! She saw her daughter as a sex rival and his sick!!!! I am horrified 😮😫😳
Why Mom is not charged is beyond me at least with conspiracy she's absolutely despicable and disgusting.she ALLOWED HIM TO SLEEP WIth daughter???? Sick
The Woody Allen comment should be enough to have gone in hard on her to break her lies, she allowed this to happen, and should pay the price. May be not as much time as him, but she needs to face justice.
I love it when detectives have these scumbags cornered in an interview, and while they’re trying to get them to talk they tell them, “I know you’re a very intelligent person”. That always cracks me up! 😂
The mother did not know he had been grooming her daughter as her daughter was the one asking for this man to come over for a sleep over. Even when Jenn broke up with him; Maddie texted and called him often, on her own. There’s nothing to show he did anything to her, according to the actual affidavits that the files of pedophila was on his parents computer, at their home, & didn’t include 1 photo of Maddie.
@@dudemorris7769 You haven't been paying attention - Stefan Sterns had a ton of photos of himself sexually abusing Madeline on his phone. Dumbass thought he had deleted them with a factory re-set of his phone, but detectives were able to salvage them. Why are you championing a serial child sex abuser and killer? Even Sterns' own parents recognise his guilt. Grow up. Madeline was such a low priority to her mother, it's not surprising if from time to time she reached out to her abuser for attention. This is sadly common, paedophiles like Sterns target vulnerable, neglected kids like Maddie for that very reason. She told her counsellor what was really going on - she was glad when that vile parasite moved out of her home for a time, He was a jobless mommy's boy, who as she mentioned ate their food and contributed nothing. Jennifer Soto allowed a child rapist into Madeline's home and bed to do his worst, and he did. The death penalty's too good for that monster, let other prisoners mete out some justice!
@@dudemorris7769Is this a joke lol?! Do you think the entire case, including all of the evidence, have been layed out for all of social media to analyze? 😹💔
exactly AND she admitted to cancelling a $300 botox appointment the day Maddie went "missing". How does a part time worker that needs roomates afford that? I think she was getting paid for it. She was aware and in on it for the money in my opinion.
@@djohny-ne3ggI heard on one of the channels I follow that the property actually belongs to Jennifer’s dad and he’s the one who rents out the rooms, as a matter of fact she paid him rent. That’s why there was not a room for Maddie, just that area in the living room or something like that. Perhaps if she had her own room she could have locked her creepy mother and her creepy boyfriend out. Just a sad story all around.
Because there's no evidence of wrongdoing on her part smh. It's not about what it looks like it's about what it is. You don't get to just lock up and charge people based on your feelings or intuition. Is there text messages, emails, notes, cooperating statements from her roommates, confessions or any other condemning pieces of evidence? No? Because if there is she'd be arrested right now. The women's at best guilty of criminal negligence but even then it's still hard to prove what she did or didn't know. I just wait until there's more information before I start making definitive statements if you keep you're head you'll never lose ✌
Encouraging it and the last time admitting to all but forcing it. Was it an 8 year old responsible for not putting her foot down and saying, "no!"? I guess it's a little late to charge Maddie for allowing herself to be a victim. I don't get it
Jenn should be charged for NEGLECT at the minimum. She approved of them sleeping together alone. SHE KNEW. CHARGE AND ARREST HER PERIOD ‼️ JUSTICE be done for Maddy 💜🙏💜.
Exactly. AT THE LEAST neglect. I don't know how she hasn't been arrested. They both disgust me. She pawned him on her so she didn't have to be with him. Her saying ok fine to the sa makes me want to puke. 🤮
@@kimokelly2841 I agree. My daughter is a survivor of SA at 4 years old. 40 years ago. Laws are so different now. I still feel guilty to this day. The babysitter was licensed but her husband wasn't. She knew my daughter wasn't the first and she was allowed to continue babysitting. Smh He died 10 years back I read in the paper. She should of been charged She knew. Laws Today are better for our children. Sick people out there. No one can tell me Jenn didn't know. She did. She seen pics of SA of her daughter and said get a Attorney to his Dad. Unbelievable ‼️ NO one is thar stupid. She Belongs locked up with him. She crys here because she's called out by the one in black. He tells her I don't believe you. Good for him. She knew he was scum stealing from his parents and she stayed with him. Tells what trash she is.
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The woody Alan comment seems like she is jealous of her daughter. She is worried her daughter will steal her man 😢 Maddie didn’t have anybody on her side
How does everybody see Stephan as "Jenn's man". She hasn't sleep with him in 2 years , admits she didn't like sex w him. Sends him off to sleep w her daughter 30 minutes after she gets to the home. Where is the "jealousy"? This is a true life horror story , not a romance novel. Stop saying she was jealous. She was lazy and stupid, drugged up and criminally negligent. NOT jealous.
@@jh-is8nq SHE was jealous though. she wanted him in her life no matter what. he's a bum yet she was planning on bringing him back and helping him. her words. she only got upset when the cop said "they were having a sexual relationship" . she wasn't upset that he was abusing her or k1lled her, btu she was upset that he had chosen Maddie over her.
@@jh-is8nqall those could be true, but I think she might also be jealous alot shows that. Seems like she was lookin at it more like she thought she was a rival and started to blame, hate her for what the scum was doing
@@thecozyconstellation he was her nanny. The only one Jenn could afford. She regularly sent him and Maddy off to sleep behind a locking door. She admitted this. It looks like jealousy to many because it's the more common human emotion to process and understand. She was just extremely depressed and lazy, and lacked energy to raise her child properly on her own.
She "wanted to believe he was a good guy still" in the same breathe as "you showed me pictures of the sectual stuff but i didnt think he could do something evil like unaliving her" 💔 Poor madeline, she needed someone good in her life to save her from them.
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The mom was so desperate to have a man in the house, she offered him a package deal any bum couldn’t refuse; free food, board and room, bunk with her daughter and when mom’s too tired for sex, she offered up her daughter! Look at that child’s birthday picture! That is not a pose a thirteen year old would make! The mom ain’t fooling anybody - she was totally aware and condoned it all! In fact, other relatives had to question this setup she had at home and his character had to be questioned by her family! Betcha Madeline died because Madeline (may have?!?) said, “No more! Leave me alone!” Odd that the public never saw any interviews detectives would have had with teachers or her classmates?!? “Someone” had to have known something about her home/personal life. A tragic sad story! Jen and her shack-up perv lover should both rot in jail!
I think because Madeline became 13 years old she decided she will stand up for herself and said no to him that night and he losted and killed her. He is pure evil. The mother knows what he was doing to her daughter how she couldn’t , not like they were living in a place with 60 rooms
I wonder if they went upstairs at all. I wonder if Jen was involved in her murder, because she told Detective Keith that Maddy probably was drugged, choked and dumped….BEFORE they found Maddy’s body.
@@kathrynkrieger7644 exactly, bc she thinks all men are like this anyway, so why not give him access to her daughter . Disgusting but I think that's her logic and
As someone who works with survivors of SA for 2 decades I know one thing for sure: lots of abuse can only happen, because the mothers allow it to happen. They don't only know what is going on, they send their daughters to do the acts they don't feel like doing. Jenn Soto talked in her interview about Stephan being into certain practices she didn't like, and that that was one of the reasons their relationship crumbled. But when her daughter SHOWED her that she was bleeding from there, she created an obstipation excuse, and just got her more medication. Jenn Soto shows and expresses very clearly, that she doesn't see the activities between her 9, 10, 11, then 12 year old daughter and her grown-up boyfriend as "something bad" (besides of it being a risk for her relationship). That reminds me of a (now deceased) friend, whose mother caught her husband r-ing their at that point 10 year old daughter, slammed the door shut, and later hissed at her daughter "You don't want me to be happy! Now you're even taking my husband away from me!". Cases like this happen way more, than many people are aware of. And to (almost) every long-term abuse situation belongs a mother, who knows about it or at least suspects something. And I think that it's really time to get women out of the victim bubble, and hold them fully accountable as the second perpetrator in a situation like this.
Gisela MADE A GREAT POINT AT THE END OF THE SHOW THERE!!! Madeline was not all sleeping and out of it! She knows what was happening - look what she drew in her notebook. My goodness when the trial starts for this case so much more will come out I bet!
Everyone thinks she’s dumb and clueless . She’s not . She’s manipulative and a smooth liar . She’s acting like a victim but she’s not . She knew about the SA and was totally ok with it .
Madeline knew what was going on. She was clearly distracted or disturbed by it from her drawings. They became intrusive thoughts it looks like. Looks like a notebook she was doing Math in but certainly was not focusing on Math from her drawings. So terribly sad, and nobody caught it and noticed her cry! Sad!
Jen cared more about her drugs And her sleep. She was anjoyed by being a mom. She valued her sleep more than her daughter so she was like no go you guys go to sleep somewhere else because she was selfish. Like I said as long as she had her drugs and her sleep nothing else mattered
…so the guy doing the sick things to his gf’s daughter…is okay with you?😅 I mean it’s okay to be mad a both…but if you’re not mad at him at all..I’m worried about you at this point.
I'm angry at Maddie's vile, neglectful mother who enabled her rape and murder, and the system that failed to get a heinously abused child out of a highly dysfunctional and dangerous home. There will always be vile, perverted paedophiles like Stefan Sterns around, hiding in plain sight looking for opportunities to abuse vulnerable children - its up to parents, primarily, but also other relatives, teachers, doctors, counsellors etc, to be gatekeepers protecting minors from such men. Maddie's maternal grandmother hated Stefan Sterns - why wasn't she able to save her from him?
@@kelsthegreat1596 you’ve got to be slow to think I’m not mad at him. Jennifer is this child’s protector, she should have been the rock her child needed. If Jennifer was a better mother non of this would have happened.
JS was so in love with SS that no one else mattered. Yesterday, I watched an exFBI undercover agent being interviewed. He was investigating [[NAMBLA]]. He said single moms were always groomed first. Then, they move on to the child. JS meeting SS was the perfect storm. So sad that Maddie lived a horrible life. Her homelife was terrible with a mom that didn't care about her. No love at all 💔😢 RIP, Maddie, you will never be forgotten ❤
There is no way he fell asleep in that room. He is crapping himself. He wants them to think he is so unconcerned and so relaxed. I guarentee he was terrified.
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Just watched this video. Gizzla said that Madelin’s friend said Madeline was upset because her mum didn’t believe her & Jenn stated she wanted her to move out at 18 : imo Madelin told her mum what SS was doing, Jenn was mad & retaliated that when she’s 18 she’ll send her to her dads. If makes sense to me. Maybe Madelin & Jenn’s relationship was rocky because Madelin had tried, more than once, telling her what he was doing., instead of believing her as a good mother should she turned on her threatened to send her away to her dad. I believe this happened.
So - his "other girlfriend' KNEW he was sleeping with a child????? She didn't think that was odd or relevant enough to report him?? Did this not put her off him completely? If I were told by a boyfriend or someone I was seeing. " I live at the house of my ex-girlfriend, but I have my own room,, and her daughter sleeps with me". That would put me right off this person - I would run!!
Our girl Gisela did an excellent job as always covering this case with respect & professionalism. Also great assessment by Susan & Dr. Lacy, especially with respect to the covert narcissism.
about the woody allen statement...jen says to stearns...don't you ever do that to me....this woman is despicable...she knew what was going on with maddie but didn't want to lose her man !!!
Grizzly here, nice job Gisela! Also gotta give Vinnie some credit for being suce a great investigator 👏👏 Imo Jenn knew about the sa before she was told about it.
