Vinny - 4D Golf 

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he's talking to the 4D chat who watches this before it was recorded

@@snek7915 considering the 4th dimension is time(or at least, time is a direction in that dimension), that kinda works.

@@RipOffProductionsLLCWe are still only talking about 4 spatial dimensions

​@@Wulfstrex so how does time work as something we visually comprehend? Its always been fascinating to me, and even moreso when visualized in Arrival.

Dev in chat :o

Hi CodeParade :O

I'm sure many people have said this but the view that 'upgrades' the '2D' plane of the golf course into a fully navigable 3D space is one of the coolest ways I've ever seen the concept of the fourth dimension conveyed. Explaining it with words, they melt together into a jumbled mess of information, but minigolf is as clear as crystal.

You guys created a very interesting game experience, experimental

Oh. Of course YOU made this

Fuckin' tourists... our pristine 4D mini golf courses used to be a nice place to bring your family... until the dirty threedies started showing up...

I thinkthe easier way to do these sorts of "4D" games, I think the "classic" flatlanders analogy is insufficient abd needlessly complicated. We can just use what the 4th dimension actually is, Time, and describe moving through it as freely rewinding or fast-forwarding time that remains paused while you can freely move within it... It also means you can call the directions "cause" and "effect".

@@RipOffProductionsLLCThis game is about 4 spatial dimensions, not 3+1 spatial+time dimensions

@Wulfstrex but that's still time though, just with the ability to freely move through it(which I suppose technically makes it like 6 or 7 dimensional?)

You literally didnt watch the first 2 minutes of the video, did you? ​@RipOffProductionsLLC

having actually had one I gotta say, it wasn't that off from it

I too stroke it to Vinny

​@@MaxiemumKarnage 😎

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I guess the person must be from the future.

Code parades devlog for this is amazingly detailed check it out

There’s a whole video series about the development by the person who made this game and I am still confused after watching it edit: CodeParade is the dev, they have a youtube channel

@@zacharynovak2180 oh, cool

Cosmodeus did it a Native Intelligence! Not a human! May be?! Feels free?! Duddeeeee

i think it actually bounced in the Y axis back to the beginning lmao

You can re-find the ball immediately by pressing the right button on keyboard

I mean, the crystals in the tutorial should really help you out whenever you want to find the hole.

And then? 4 dimensional beings will make fun of your small peanits (brain)

guess i gotta go to the 4th dimension!

God, the fact the 2nd level is literally just an L shape, and I feel like the only one to have noticed that, also applying to the shape of like any of the levels makes me feel like I'm going insane.

I literally was about to write something like this. How Vinny almost instantly hated it reminded me of Flatland! You’re awesome for pointing this out, lucid lullaby!

Yeah the moment it started talking about the 2D eye in the 3D eye I was like ooo flatland

eh not quite

Super paper Mario?

@@Hithere-uz6wd No, they are referencing an Episode of Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos: A Personal Voyage' where he beautifully explains what a 4th dimension would be like, and poses the example of what a 2D creature would feel like if it perceieved a 3D world. Always a recommended watch ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UnURElCzGc0.html

Yeah it's pretty clever. Like switching a 2D view from top-down to the side.

How did we figure out what the 4th dimension adds? Is it hypothetical only?

Yeah true, golf being mostly a 2D game helps for most of the levels. It basically turns golf from a 2D game to a 3D game. Yeah the hills through a spanner in the works for that analogy.

@@Hithere-uz6wdMy understanding is that it’s just a natural continuation of the math that makes 2D and 3D exist. I do not understand the actual math behind those concepts, because math makes me wanna vomit.

@@Hithere-uz6wd It's all mathematics, just like a regular 3d game calculates the X Y Z position of things, this game calculates an extra dimension, creating X Y Z A positions for all points of the objects, making them 4d rather than 3d

No wonder why he was trash in melee

"bro, just go North-Anth from the windmill, East to the hill, and ramp it North-Kanth-East towards the loop, it's not that hard you just gotta put some juice into it."

imagine trying to explain the 3rd dimension to a 2 dimensional being

More like randomly spinning while playing a FPS...Oh my god the man is literally Halo Ghost Spinning.

"I must influence the ball after I've hit it... by looking around!"

@@marcusdaloia2974 More like like spinning around in your seat in a car thinking it's affecting the direction the car is going.

The scenery doesnt actually change, your are just moving around on 4D space. Your view position only changes

@@WolfmanDude Well, yeah, but he's not saying the scenery in the game is changing, but that it has the same feeling of trying to do stuff in dreams.

​@@WolfmanDude you're missing some reading comprehension, pal. I'm pretty sure that everyone or at least almost everyone here knows that the scenery is not actually changing

​@@WolfmanDude ☝️🤓

@@TTIOTT Um ,ackschually....

Happens to the best of 3d beings

That being said, it does seem like rotating the camera while the ball is in motion changes its course.

@@daregularperson Looks like it. But it doesn't. An illusion!

Mine is either empty or overwhelmed as always

i like to use "Brain't" to describe my brain activity.

Profile checks out

The word would be mirrored. It’d be like picking up a paper organism flipping it over, and then setting it back down. It would see everything in the wrong way. The people who weren’t picked up and turned around would see you as mirrored, but YOU would see THEM as mirrored.

Minigolf is also mostly a game played on a 2d plane - you could play it top down with altitude indications. So it helps that you're mostly just playing golf in a 3d space with the exception of minimal changes in the 4th dimension (like the hole changing your angle when bouncing in it.

exactly. the volume view really helps cement it. you're seeing the intersection of those spaces layered together and q and e slide where the spaces intersect.

I think 4D is better explained when you flat out just use what the 4th dimension is: Time. You're literally sliding up and down(cause-ward and effect-wise?) a physical Time-line. Think of the radically shifting environment as a time-lapse video you can scroll through and then explore each frame in full 3D.

@@RipOffProductionsLLCThis game is about spatial dimensions

@Wulfstrex but, that's still time though, Time is literally a line made out of 3D "points".

"it's a straight line from the ball to the hole, do hue-mans not know what a straight line is?"

Well, this is not at all how a 4D being would see the world, so it would probably still seem confusing to them.

Technically Humans are 4th Dimensional, since the fourth dimension is Time. Sure we only move one direction through this dimension, and have no real control over any exceleration or deceleration within that direction, but we're moving through it.

4D chat members are shocked

​​@@RipOffProductionsLLCgod shut the fuck up holy hell you are so annoying 4D isn't inherently a temporal dimension. That's a misconception. This game explores a setting with a fourth SPATIAL dimension. That fourth spatial dimension isn't "TIME". There is 1 Temporal Dimension in this game, which I guess would be considered the 5th dimension. I've seen you replying to so many comments with this bullshit. Jesus Christ.

I can't wait for the character action golf game, featuring DAN TE BEST IN GAEM

Call of Duty: Gulf Golf

​@@pareidolist DUN LOP IS BAEST IN CLUBBS. HE SCHWING SO GUD.

stealth golf? metal golf solid?

Gun Golf. Gotta keep track of not just the bullet drop off, but the wind speed too. And also you gotta hit the ball just right and with a weak enough caliber or it explodes. And also the golf ball has a health bar. And Gun Pool for that matter, too.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. He should really catch up on the ones throughout the tutorial at the very least.

There's a term based off of Game Grumps now? Damn.

@@BIGBOYGAMING03 I don't know about the term's origin, but it's far from new.

The difference is vinny isn't intentionally trying to annoy the audience as part of an ongoing and elaborate bit OR IS HE?!

New verb unlocked

In case anyone is looking, the fractal marble game is called Marble Marcher. It's beautiful

@@thinnairr big marble marcher w

At this rate Vinny will touch on every CodeParade game because their interest meshes so well.

4D chat

4D chat is always there.

Either thats a joke or muscle memory

what the fuck

Hopefully he will playing it further, especially after catching up on all the crystals that he missed during the tutorial and then playing the non-challenge courses for the time being

Oh man, now I want Vinny to finish this

A little sad he ended up playing mostly just the difficult challenge mode for most of the video rather that continuing on through the regular courses, but I might check the game out on my own

@@Zugrwow Jabroni Mike Super Monkey ball last world moment 💀💀

I'm pretty sure the dev had to figure it out themselves to an extent. I'm sure they designed the in-game and level editor tools first and foremost to develop the game, and as a gameplay feature after. Their name is CodeParade, and they have dev logs here on YT if you're curious.

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The game has marble mode post-game, so...

Cross your eyes and ask yourself that same question.

It’s just weird object permanence. When turn our heads to see what’s behind us, we leave what we were looking at earlier exactly as is, but we see something new. In 4d space it’s the same, just new and unnatural to us.

he HATES the 4th dimention

@@OxIGeZRACIST Italian-American streamer/musician goes on HATEFUL tirade against the people of the 4th Dimension.

being able to actually see the fourth dimension together with the other 3 dimensions would help a lot

I think I might raise my kids on this game

*Extremely loud incorrect buzzer*

@@Flagdread ❌

She whirling on my clifford torus till I double rotate

Yeah, you're still just rotating your view. Seems like Vinny didn't really understand that.

Are you sure about that? To my conception you are moving the ball through the ana/kata along with your own view, given that the ball can hit walls that weren't in the 3d plane you putt from if you bring those walls into view while the ball is travelling.

@@FigureEightDouble that doesn't change where the ball goes

@@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn If the ball is travelling along the ana/kata axis, then it's travel trajectory is being changed by that. Which will most definitely change where the ball goes.

@@FigureEightDouble that isn't caused by your view rotating though

I don't understand the biblically accurate meme, what is biblical about the fourth dimension

​@@TheSilly6403It's just a slang for "incomprehensible," you know how language evolves over time, it's pretty supermurgitroid.

@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 'biblically accurate' is a pretty long slang word lol

@@TheSilly6403 I believe it stems from biblically accurate angels, which... Yeah, just look it up. But then you take the idea of this seemingly twisted, horrifying, eldritch, nonsensical view of something you think you know, make a joke of it as "biblically accurate", and transfer it to other stuff.

With how the final level of this game plays out, calling it biblically accurate golf is actually a decent descriptor

im literally waiting for the edible to kick in as we speak lol this one is gonna be fun

You absolutely need to play the game until the last stage, there's a stage themed literally about psychedelics and 'shrooms, I am not even joking.

@huhwhatumean bitch me neither!

When the zaza hits so hard that you unlock new geometry knowledge

When the zaza hits & you see Amygdala chilling at your local church 👁👁👁👁

as long as they're being shone upon by a 4d light source :p

I'm glad I'm not the only one hearing it.

You mean the music you got to hear so far, right?

hey it's the pocket lint guy

We need yellow paint developers!

I feel like the 3D "shadows" should have been red or blue depending on which direction of the extra dimension the objects they were of were relative to the 3D "slice" you were in.

@@marcusdaloia2974 There's an option for that in the settings. I'm not sure but I think a crystal tells you this.

@@marcusdaloia2974 there's a setting for that in the game, it's just off by default

Lovecraft was going insane at the idea of refrigeration; it is fair to say that he was slightly biased on the matter.

According to lovecraft it is like, really really scary, and um... Like, so scary I can't even describe haha... I cannot even put into words how scary it is. Scary enough to make you... Go crazy? Perchance? Blah blah 🤪 the person would be rather off-the-wall and eccentric as a result of observing such a terrifying and horrid thing.

To be fair you probably would go a bit mental being exposed to that type of stuff

Did he though? He still tried to move the ball by rotating all the time

He put on his 4d glasses

The game is designed in a way that allows you to make progress even when you feel like you have no idea what's going on

And seen through a 1D brained streamer 🥰

You'd be concerned by how many people just go full "The files are _in_ the computer" when exposed to even a basic escape-room.

As long as he reads the tutorial crystals

most of the tracks are like a bit over a minute, although i guess they're pretty repetitive in their own so i guess that's reasonable, i've heard the inferno music way too much trying to speedrun them lol

VR has already been announced for a future update

Vihart has done some exploration into non-euclidean VR

As Vinny has pointed it out, it actually changes as you change your orientation along the multiple axis. And of course it is different in the next levels that have other themes.

He got it back when he realized that slopes look like walls in Volume View... and then gave up before his third eye could fully grow in.

@@ArcturusEmrys You can actually see the exact moment when he plucks it out, discarding cumbersome awareness for ergonomic and ineffective simplification, at 25:40.

why should I care about something I don't see

In standard physics there is no 4th (spatial) dimension, so nothing to freak out about yet.

Because we do comprehend it. Skill issue.

Honestly it's a matter of practice. People can get scarily good at navigating 4D after playing with it for long enough.

Authentic Lovecraft energy right there.

Brand-new sentence concoction right there

you mean his thinkpan

Your profile pic is adorable

No human does because we dont even know what its like

@@mellowmelly9258 His think-a-ma-jig.

Crazy cuz you would be the only person in existence to have experienced psychic damage

joey

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I hope he tries the 4d Minecraft clone next

4d fps with 4d cross map peeks and 4d strafe spam so they have to track you in a whole new dimention

@@Funcijej Already did, or played the demo at least. It's in the Grab Bag Gamble #10 video

4d racing game would be so fun

Or a 4D FPS racing game!

5d chess is 2d chess with the addition of the 5th dimensions unique property

​@@Hithere-uz6wd Technically 2D Chess is just an abstraction of 3D Chess: as the Knight is still leaping "over" other pieces as it moves.

That game has 3D space (including Knight jumping over pieces) with 2 time dimensions.

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Technically 2D + 3D + 5D is like 7D

Using minigolf is genius because a minigolf ball can only move in two dimensions normally, so a four-dimensional minigolf ball can move in three dimensions, which makes it possible for us to visualize it directly.

@@pareidolist Wow, right, okay. This comment made me understand it a whole lot better. It's still mind bending to think about, but it makes a lot more sense.

It's the 7th environment.

Ultimately it's just kind of... math. An object is just a bunch of vectors, and adding more directions (or dimensions) is just adding a fourth variable to those vectors. 3D graphics already take 3D objects and convert them to a 2D image on a screen, so this is taking a 4D landscape, rendering it down to a 3D viewpoint and converting it to s 2D image.

I look at it like this. First of all, how did people program 3D visuals? The field of mathematics is old and developed enough that once computers got enough processing power, we just plugged in a bunch of math equations that humans had already spent centuries figuring out. And in the course of figuring out the math to represent shapes in 2 dimensions or 3 dimensions, people tried to see what would happen if you just plugged in a 4 or more into those equations. The part where things don't make sense to us is literally the fact that we do not have the means to represent things visually in more than 3 dimensions. More than 3 spatial dimensions is not something we've observed in nature anywhere, so we will actually never have the capacity to "understand" more than 3 dimensions. What we can do, however, is take a piece of 4 dimensional data and represent a 'slice' of it in 3 dimensions thanks to maths. This is the entire crux of those first few opening explanations: we are three dimensional beings, so we have no trouble observing and understanding things in 2 or 3 dimensions, to the point that we can even observe and comprehend in real time when 3D shapes convert to 2D shapes even as you shift the the 2D plane into the 3rd dimension. If you can sort of understand how one might theoretically use math equations look at a 3D shape and end up being able to spit out the corresponding 2D shapes, doing a 4D game is the simple matter of applying whatever math equations give us 4D shapes and doing the same process of conversion to 3D shapes. The biggest stumbling block, probably, is to be able to accept that at no point in this video, or in anything ever, do we ever see 4D shapes. The best we can possibly ever do is look at a 3D 'slice' of a 4D shape. PS please forgive me mathematicians, this is a very layman's understanding of these ideas.

The developer, codeparade, has a youtube channel where he released some devlogs showing the process and some of the math

They in fact already are xD