Thanks man, the DSL40 ended up being “too much amp” for around home use so I sold it and got the DSl20 and absolutely love it. Ended up with a G12M Creamback in the combo and a DV-77 Eminence in a matching cab. Great pairing \m/
@@oldguyjammin9732 I may do the same! I've actually been contemplating turning the combo into a head! I like how it sounds through a 4x12 cabinet and it's easier to roll it in and not have to carry it!
I've been thinking about putting a creamback in my dsl40cr, now I think I need too. I think the v30 sounded better clean, but the creamback sounded awesome. Thanks for the great vid's.
I tested the HECK out of the Creamback Neo and regular creamback and V Type. Regular Creamback 65m was the winner. Neo was good but didn’t sound as nice in the mids (which is where the DSL40CR is neutral). V Type is a great speaker but it’s very balanced. The DSL40CR is imbalanced tho, kind of scooped in the mids and modern. So it doesn’t fix that to help get a step closer to classic Marshall tone. Also, without a doubt the Creamback has a bigger, heavier Magnet. The DSL is too bass heavy and the V Type speaker magnet is smaller and doesn’t handle it well. It mushes out too easily on the e string stuff. The Creamback is a noticeable improvement here. It’s more stable and flexible. You get a low grind rather than a low mush. It allows you to run more gain too if you want. It’s nice, just bump the presence if you want more upper bite and it’s great.
I was trying to choose between these 2 speakers for My DSL40CR so I went with both. Put the Creamback M in the combo and bought an orange 1 by 12 cab with a V30 and that combo is fantastic perfect blend if vintage and modern and very versatile. Creamback on its own for the vintage. V30 on its own for the modern and both together for the perfect middle ground. Orange cabs are amazing . Such a full sound. With both speakers together the low midrange is huge with lots of grind and growl without getting muddy and the upper mids of the V30 keep the low mids from overpowering the highs
I like it! I like separate cabs for my speakers also rather than mixing in a larger cab. For just being a wooden box, it’s crazy how different cabs can sound so so much better or worse than others. I’ve found that the extra inches you get in the ‘oversized 1x12’ cabs is worth the extra $$ Orange, Mesa, Engl Pro Cab are all really nice. Re needing to rattle some windows - I sold the DSl40 and got a 20 combo for that very reason, I can get the master on the 20 up around 2:00 and it really starts to tighten up and growl \m/ I put the Creamback M in the combo and have an Eminence DV77 in a matching cab and it sounds really good. Thanks for commenting and keep rockin’
Hey man, I saw you have the DSL40CR and played around with speaker swaps. I have two things I'm trying to tame. There's too much bass and I'm missing that Vintage low-gain classic rock tone. Like that AC/DC into tone that is so clear with mid-range growl and vintage tone. Can I get there with a speaker swap or is it just not the amp for that? Amp sounds good, but when I A/B'd with multiple guitars next to a TSL100...I immediately noticed that it was struggling to do that vintage tone and had a lot of bass.
I put a creamback in mine the day after I got it! Never looked back… Even sweetwater had a version where they put a 65 creamback in it!! Killer combination 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The V-type is a worthy speaker I agree, but if drop B heavy riffage is your thing a Swampthang or DV-77 will be better. Not real crazy about the V30s, but kept trying them cause that’s what everyone said everyone needed?!?! Ha ha
I always hear speaker swaps as a substantial change much more so then pickup swaps . I have a dsl 40 and dsl 5 and I have 3 extension Cabs I use with both anps all with different speakers and they sound quite different. Even when I swap the speakers between the different cabs there is a very noticeable difference I hear.
Hey man, I saw you have the DSL40CR and played around with speaker swaps. I have two things I'm trying to tame. There's too much bass and I'm missing that Vintage low-gain classic rock tone. Like that AC/DC into tone that is so clear with mid-range growl and vintage tone. Can I get there with a speaker swap or is it just not the amp for that? Amp sounds good, but when I A/B'd with multiple guitars next to a TSL100...I immediately noticed that it was struggling to do that vintage tone and had a lot of bass.
Granted the Creamback is brand new and the V30 is nice and broken in... but I’d recommend the G12M. You certainly don’t lose anything and the plusses are there.
@@unabonger777 - it’s a G12M-65 Creamback, 65 watts. But lower wattage speakers work great in amps too, like Greenbacks that are rated at 25W. The speaker will start to distort but won’t necessarily break down. It’s speaker distortion vs amp distortion and some guys love it.
I put in a Vintage 30 in my Marshall DSL40CR, and its the perfect Match, i have a creamback but i like the tone of the Vingtage 30, the speaker has been in another Marshall since 2008 so it was already well Broken in. The overtones and sustain of this amp is amazing, OD1 is the sweet spot, with Master on 9, OD at 6, then set your chanel volume. My Les Paul sounded great with both speakers, but the Strat likes the V30.
I'm more of a JCM 800 guy but I've had several Marshall models over the years. Now I have a used DSL15C amp on the way and I'm guessing a speaker upgrade will be happening which is why I'm here.. My 800s (both 1983s) are a 4104 and 4010 combos both stock came with G12T-75s. After all kinds of speaker swaps including Vintage 30s, I wound up with 80 watt Rola Celestions and called it good. My point is I've never liked Vintage 30s in any amp including what I'm hearing here. I'm sure they are Heaven in some amp somewhere but I never heard it. I do like the 65 watt Creamback I'm hearing, I wonder how it stacks up to an Alnico Creamback?
Lever Action Gypsy... you packin’ heat? Never mind, just reminded me of a short barrel lever action Savage 30 30 I used to take with me up river bed treks for gold. Now there are too many houses around to safely plink away with an air gun :) I can’t speak to the Alnico Creamback but from what I understand its the same speaker just lighter because of the smaller, but more powerful magnet. I got acquainted with the G12-75 recently and while I’m still moving it around, I kind of like it. For my Marshall I finally settled on the Creamback after V30, Greenback, and Swampthang were tried. Not sure of your musical style but you may want to check out the Eminence DV-77. It’s getting lots of positive chatter. It took me a while, cause I was supposed to love them, but I’m with you on the V30s haha, but they’re not bad if mixed with something else. My Rectoverb came with a UK made V30 - absolutely terrible! Good luck
Ya, they’re a nice speaker. They get a little loose for me when the high volume chugging starts though, lol just my opinion. The Eminence Swampthang and DV-77 are still two of my faves.
i agree. the 70/80 is a good speaker all around. better imho than v30. more mids. i have iny arsenal seventy g12t75 g12s50 and the seventy 80 is the more neutral with good mids
I was thinking the v30 but the v30 to thin and brittle sounding. The creamback has the meat and warm and well rounded fuller sounding over the v30. I got a ht stage 60 2x12 going to to add the creamback 65 watts in it
Well good luck to you, hope it works out well. Finding the “Tone in your head” can sometimes be brutal, lol. I’ve found that many of the Blackstar amps sound best with the speaker they come with but adding a Creamback for a bit of a mix sounds pretty awesome. Come back and let us know how it goes \m/
I just bought the DSL 40CR from Sweetwater a few days ago, but I am going to return it. I sold my old Marshall 80V Valvestate amp and thought I would have no problem getting good tones with the Marshall DSL 40CR for home use. Way to much even at 20 watt half power for home use. The amp sounds better in full power, and really does sound awesome when cranked a little bit. For home use I am thinking maybe a 5 watt Blackstar or Marshall head with cab. I also see EVH has a new Stealth LBX coming out in November, with Green and Red channels and PRS MT15 like lights. I would love to play the EVH lunchbox II on 1/4 power mode and see how that sounds at low volume. The PRS MT15 also sounds good to me, but I have heard that at low power it is almost to loud for home use!
Barry H - Oh why did you have to say ‘new Stealth LBX’ lol, guess I better start cleaning gutters around the neighborhood :) SO... all those amps are probably going to be too loud because none of them will sound REAL good until they’re cranked a tad. Before you return it consider investing another $45 in a JHS little black amp box. It’s a volume control that you put in your FX loop pedal chain and allows you to crank an amp at bedroom levels!! I’ve just started using one and love it. Almost sold my Mesa V 25 cause it was too loud, then I got the JHS and now the Mesa is probably my favorite amp and when I swing over to the Marshall I can run with the masters at 3 O’Clock where they should be without bothering anyone. If you do go the 5 Watt mode I’d say go with the DSL5CR - check my review of that little gem. Takes pedals like a champ and sound perfect right out of the box. Lots more soul than the Blackstar imo. Good luck\m/
@@oldguyjammin9732 Thanks for replying. I haven't returned the DSL yet. I checked out the JHS amp box. Reviews say it is like putting a compact volume pedal in your effects chain. A few days ago I set up a Boss GE-7 EQ pedal in the loop on the DSL 40CR. I noticed with the EQ that even with it set with the effect level flat (no volume boost or decline), I have to turn the amp up when it is engaged. I will experiment with turning the volume level on the GE-7 pedal down and amp up. It may have a similar effect as the JHS amp box. I watched a RU-vid video from Wampler pedals called "6 ways to use an EQ pedal for better tone, and Hot Rod Fender tone tips". He uses the Boss GE-7 with EQ flat, and says it can be used as a clean volume boost. If you do have a EQ pedal and run Fender amps I would check out the video from Wampler. I am torn, because the DSL40CR can cover so many classic Marshall tones in one package. Right now though the classic gain channel does not break up on the red voicing with low volume settings. Thanks again for the help.
@@oldguyjammin9732 How is the JHS different than just using the master/channel volumes? I've got the DSL40CR and using it at home but also it'll be gigged at times so louder is ok. But will the JHS box help that much? I was thinking that having the separate Master/channel volumes on this model would do the same thing as the Little Black Box? but maybe not??
Hey man, I saw you have the DSL40CR and played around with speaker swaps. I have two things I'm trying to tame. There's too much bass and I'm missing that Vintage low-gain classic rock tone. Like that AC/DC into tone that is so clear with mid-range growl and vintage tone. Can I get there with a speaker swap or is it just not the amp for that? Amp sounds good, but when I A/B'd with multiple guitars next to a TSL100...I immediately noticed that it was struggling to do that vintage tone and had a lot of bass.
I do think that the G12M sounds great in Marshall amps but that difference is subtle and speakers are expensive. I’d try running your resonance at zero, turn the master up to 1:00 or higher and then start increasing the gain. You could try getting it a little too hot and roll off your guitar volume. You could bias it on the cold side, maybe like 30 mV DC. You could swap out the first tube in the socket closest to the cable input for a 12AY7 (maybe both V1 and V2) to reduce the overall gain of the amp. You could us a light boost pedal with clean channel. You could buy a Friedman Little Sister, lol. I was playing AC/DC on it yesterday - sounded great. Come back with more Qs if you like.
@@vin9976 - no I haven’t but I’ve heard of those tubes before. If I understand it correctly, the 823 would only cut gain to the Ultra Channel leaving the Classic channel as is - - does that sound right?
Yep, I thought so too and as it turns out, I had a bad preamp tube... I replaced the power tubes first but still didn't have any bass, than started swapping preamps and WAHLAH - all that great bass came back :-)
Hi there,I have got a Marshall dsl 40cr the back is half open on this amp, and i hate the v-type speaker that comes with it. There is a fizzy frequency i cant stand, tryied many things to get rid of it. I want a speaker change, do you recommend a G12m65 or a g12h75. Playing mostly Hardrock, punk really want good sounding powerchords, please help thx🙂
I like the G12M65 much better than the H, and I’d also recommend putting a 12AY7 tube in the V1 socket… that’s the one closest to the input jack. When you’re done with all that, reduce the bias to 38 mV DC - you’ll have a much nicer crunch tone. Another thing to consider is that Marshall amps need to have the master volumes up pretty high to sound good. Always have your master up, at least past noon and then adjust your gain knob.
I have this same amp and I tried a G12T-75 in place of the V-type. I prefer the V-Type as the T-75 was so bass heavy that it was unusable for me and the Treble just wasn't there. I had both Presence and Treble all the way up and Bass at 0 and still too much bass and not enough Treble. Would you say the G12M had a lot of treble? I had an old Fender amp that was 2x12 and I put V30's in that one and it was awesome but the distortion channel on that amp lacked a bit. I like an amp that has a full range of EQ and it really does depend on the speaker that's being used.
Well... Resonance and Presence all the way up seems like it would be Max bass and Max treble from the power amp. Maybe turn your resonance down to the left...? The G12M was bright enough for me, similar to the V-type (which actually a pretty nice speaker) but not as scooped or fizzy as the V30.
@@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV - I’ve never run the resonance all the way up, I usually run it from noon to 2:00 and then adjust the bass. I’ve since sold the DSL40 and bought a DSL20 to replace it. The 40 was just too much of a beast for home use, with the 20 I can get the master up around 3:00 and really drive those EL34 tubes. I’ll try having the res and bass both all the way up... I’m sure it’ll be too much.
Looks like it was on half power mode, AND didn’t know it at the time but I had a bad pre-amp tube and had lost all the bass in the amp?!?! I noticed the bass and resonance were both all the way up in this vid and I remember thinking wtf? I changed the big tubes, but nothing than for giggles changed V1 and boom! It was back! That tone I remembered. I ended up selling the 40 and getting a 20 and very happy with it.
@@oldguyjammin9732 I also use a DSL20 head through 2x12 Vintage 30s and I found there is lot of treble. Maybe coz the fact play a single coil Teles with AlNiCo V magnets....
@@masterofthetelecaster - yes, your guitars of choice are naturally bright. I looked on the Marshall forum for a bright cap mod but it appears the new DSL20HR doesn’t use a bright cap...? www.marshallforum.com/threads/bright-cap-mod-on-new-dsl-range.115764/. Other options would be to use 250K pots in your guitars (they may have 500K), put a darker tube in V1 like a 12AY7 Groove Tube OR get a Swampthang speaker to pair up with the V30 in your 2x12 cab. The Eminence Swampthang really ads to the tightness of the lower frequencies without being overly bright. I think you’d like that option. I have yet to try an EQ pedal but people swear by them too.
The M for sure :) Tube and speaker swaps usually make little difference but in this case I appreciated the G12M enough to keep it in there \m/. Speaking of tubes, I usually swap out my V1, V2 preamp tubes with 12AY7s just to tame the gain a bit, seems to create a much wider and useable gain structure.
Tom Foolery - probably the best reason I mess with it, is the same reason I mess with guitars and drive pedals; it allows for the possibility that some other component might be able to account for my own lack of practice and/or ability, lol. But seriously, sometimes subtle differences are enough to appreciate. Like in this case, the Creamback is less “fizzy” than the V30 and I can appreciate that. It’s the search for that perfect tone man!! Funny thing is that after a couple of weeks it’s gone anyway due to the law of familiarity, ha ha so you plug into a different amp and ITS BACK :) for a couple of weeks anyway.
More Metal? Swampthang. More classic to hard rock? Creamback. The SThang really growls but I lost a bit of top end sparkle so I put a Creamback in and put the SThang in a separate cab! Best of both worlds.
@@chrisasmith75 - oh sure, you’ll just lose some top end but the Marshall is pretty bright and can take it. How’s your guitar? Dark? Bright? EMGs, Passive?
if i never see or hear a humbucker guitar id be happy, how about a strat man,please...very subtle difference in speakers, vintage 30,s known for possible harshness.........
mesa sux too, try a seldom heard about engl combo, or blackmore engl head an strat, calgaz 77 has best tone on youtube, with his playing,an bite an riffs an blackmore head etc..riffs,an bite,very exciting,like blackmore,not bullshit likemetallica etc,or headbanging rubbish
Lol, well you just seem to have your panties in a wad ha ha, tone is subjective my friend. If it sounds good, it is good and everyone is entitled to have favorite pieces of gear. Some people really like Mesa, I prefer Engl and Randal though, but that doesn’t mean Mesa has to be put in the SUCKS category. Happy Trail, find some love bro
prs an gibsons all sound the same old metal shit, enough allready, for real tone go listen to m ade in japan album twice, ritchis isnt that distorted,a lotta gain,an bite an smoothness when he wants it,this is all same old shit..
Thanks for commenting...? Hey what do these time stamps mean or represent? I’ve gotten a few lately and am curious. Anything diabolical, or just a gentle hint to time stamp my vids, lol
