I'm a variant collector but I'm certainly opposed to keeping records sealed and/or just seeing them as collectibles. They're collectibles and I take their value into account but in the end, no plans of selling anything for a profit. Another aspect that gets overlooked is it's fun to me to have multiple colors and when I go to listen to that album, I can say "Y'know what, today I'm feeling the red copy" and so on. There's that extra visual aspect and they all get played if they're in my collection. And to touch on your question of whether it's detrimental, I can't answer yes or no either, but I'm a Bad Religion collector and Epitaph has put out three album anniversary reissues with 7, 9, and 11 variants respectively. ELEVEN. So I can see the issue being that labels will see that there are suckers like me who will buy them all, they get cartoon dollar signs over their eyes, and start clogging up pressing plants. Anyway, cool video, just thought I'd share a different perspective on the whole variant collector thing. Cheers!
I bought the individual 3 records by Nick Drake, then bought the box set "Fruit Tree," with those same 3 records, then I bought the "3 CD's of the same music. Unfortunately he passed away before any more music that was recorded, that I know about. Could you please help me out as to value- all origional. Thank you.
I enjoyed your video, I found it entertaining and enlightening. I’ve been collecting vinyl for over 40 years. I put my vinyl away while raising kids, but brought them all out 8-10 years ago. In my vinyl resurgence I found myself being a “completest” wanting to get the Top 500 and all albums of certain bands. I am a classic rock guy, but do have all genres and listen to them all. I have three Mofi’s, several OG’s (I started 40 years ago) and a whole bunch of remastered and repressed. I am evolving, I am planning to keep only what I like and listen to, and the unique and collectibles, and purge the rest. Through it all, it has always been about the music, but I really enjoy the hunt of collecting.
Nobody should be bashed for what brand they buy. I just don`t like manufacturers putting out products with zero to none quality control. Just because something may be cheaper in price it should at least have some quality to it. As far as the new music sucks crowd goes( Was guilty of it too but not now), News Flash! Past generations also had new music that sucked too! There was some good stuff as well. Same goes these days. Good points made here. Thank you for posting.
You are terrific. I have subscribed and will be watching your videos for sometime to come. (plus you just make me laugh with those stereotypes). I am 65 and will be collecting until I die, which will probably be in a record store. My favorite format is and always will the record. I have collected since I was a kid. My first "serious" record player was an "Admiral", with a nickel on the tonearm. I currently use a U-Orbit. I'm quite pleased with it. I have an extremely eclectic taste in music. But that's what it boils down to....the love of music. Love. My favorite top five artists are: 1. Beatles, 2. Nat 'King' Cole, 3. David Bowie, 4. Kylie Minogue, 5. GorIllaz. (in no particular order, except Beatles will always be my number one). The only one of your stereotypes that I do however probably closely fit into is the "Analog Source" person. I do believe that if you are going to release an album on vinyl, that it should be sourced from the original analog source. If it's A digital source, what's the point of even putting it out on record. Well, that's my two cents. Keep up your excellent videos and intelligent commentary. Take care.
Love this video! So well done! My Stereotype to add or think of often is the "My only Partner is my Local Record Store". These people bash and hate anyone that shops big retail and consider it sacrilege. The Only place of holiness is in a local independent record store and large corporate record retailers are the face of evil.
🤔 the anti-thesis? I bought a record player because I wanted "bad" sound quality. Warps, pops, scratches, and static are just so fascinating! If I wanted perfect I would just stream it.
YES! Stereotypes from DudePerfect for Vinyl Lovers! We gotta do a major produced one like they do with acting and loctations! I Gotta come down there and film this!
heres a positive stereotype for you the "dude im really into this..." guy. they find a type of music and go 100% balls deep in. Say its early 80"s synth-pop. that dude watches every documentry, reads every wiki. and just overall loves learning about it. You talk to those dudes and you cant help be in a good mood, their so pumped.
i love that dude! In fact, I am one BIG TIME. I will rathole on certain artists/albums for MONTHS. It's seriously a joy of my life. I get so excited to discover and rediscover new artists/genres.
Very funny video! I'm a have been a little of most of those at dissent points in my collecting, but try to be more respectful these days. I find it's not my business to tell you how/why you should collect records. It's your collection, and you should do start make you happy. I agree with you about the "get off my lawn" collector though. Every single era of music has good stuff and bad stuff (some of which is popular music). I don't understand limiting ones self to anything in particular, but i guess that's just how i collect.
I will admit that I do have a little bit of the Crosly Basher and Get off my Lawn going on. As far as new music goes… I do enjoy finding something new but rarely purchase the vinyl version (saving my coin for the stuff I really want for vinyl because of the expense) and opting to streaming most new stuff.
As I am not on social media, just on RU-vid, I hear a lot of stories what goes on on Instagram and Facebook, real horror stories, that will keep me out for the next 100 years. Sounds like no fun at all.
I quit collecting records in the late 80s, especially with the advent of CDs. Blows my mind that they've come back like they have. I've thought about getting a new turntable with Bluetooth capabilities so I could stream the album to my soundbar - but the prices of LPs keep me from collecting. Usually I can get the album on CD for half of what the vinyl costs. Plus, I can take the CD with me & pop it in my car stereo to listen to. Still unable to listen to vinyl in a car.
Well I am the OG collector but I would never bash someone that buys any variant or reissue of any record. I actually find it perfectly normal. Even I that I like to always buy the OGs, when something is so expensive and I like the record so much, I obviously buy the reissue but I try to avoid it. I think it is perfectly normal to actually buy the cheaper versions that most of the times sound better and are much cheaper. In the end everything is about music, not even the medium, it is just the way I am as a collector 😅
Most of these stereotrypes are true and insufferable. Unfortunately in this hobby there is a lot of arbitrary elitism and gatekeeping. The reality is most vinyl people are middle aged, chronically single, nerdy, balding men with beer guts and glasses that have conflated their self-worth with the value/ rarity of their collection and set-up. They turn their nose up at anything that isn't at least "Near Mint" or AAA, despite the fact that they are in poor condition themselves. These are the types of guys that will literally waste hours of thier life" A/B-ing " the most played out , boring classic rock albums and fixate and debate the most negligible nuanced sonic details. of each pressing. The modern young collector is just as bad, usually some trend-riding kid buying up every goofy gimmick and new release the the industry shits out and fixating on colored variants and RSD hypebeast marketing campaigns, etc. At the end of the days it's hyper-consumersim masquerading as some sort of culture signaling/taste signaling pseudo-archivist bullshit. I would consider my self a jaded collector. One that started long before the revival and has witnessed a fun/ affordable music nerd hobby devolve into an oversaturated, mainstream vapid, cash grab and consumer frenzy.
You forgot the denial of age related hearing loss that renders the huge amounts of money sunk into a '$$pecial' vinyl player pointless. Oh... and hearing loss from 'fun' shootin' guns history 'cause a lot of that around that demographic.
You forgot an important one. The self professed "Audiophile Instant Collector". 1000 perfectly validated records. Only the best. And a Pioneer or Marantz receiver from the 70's!! VC is Viet Cong to some of us.
I don’t know what kind of collector I am! I love all analog pressings, but I’m not married to it. I love higher fidelity equipment, but I sweat thinking about how much money I spend with every upgrade. I don’t collect color variants, but I’m always a little psyched to see unique pressings, i.e. the new Jack White variations. I love buying older records over new, especially original/first pressings, but I’ll go with a reissue if it’s a good pressing and especially if it’s cheaper. Maybe I just love records, the ritual of playing them, the creativity, the rapid shrinking of my living space as my collection grows. I really, really am always so psyched to see people getting into the hobby, whether they’re rocking the Crosley or a $10,000 turntable.
OG! Damn I'm like Ice-T :D I try to find the original press (year) - reissue is reissue, good or not but they are not 1st press. I do have bought also some MOV's if the orinal price is sky high. But just the feel to own the original - you can't go wrong there :) I also can find some other features from myself... Still can't see anything wrong to find the original.
Agree with this list. Way too many stuffy gatekeepers and snobs in the vinyl community. I have a Crosley C100 which is a belt driven lower cost clone of the Audio Technica AT-LP120X (which I also own) and it comes with the green A-T cart. The Crosley holds its own quite nicely in my living room where I listen less often. Crosley does make a handful of good players but they get universally panned because of the ceramic suitcase players like that’s all they make. I also have an Insignia turntable that works unexpectedly well with the same green A-T cart and balanced tonearm. I was pleasantly surprised a $60 table (got it on sale) could sound that good.
I'm tending to see more variant collector over the past several years than I have decades before. I think an endless cycle has developed where more new collectors latch on to "cool" variants of color, packaging, pressing, etc. and in turn, the labels add to the variety, enticing these collectors even further. It seems to have boomed after the creation of Record Store Day and their modest list to what is now overwhelming. I also hear from many shop owners the increase of sealed or virtually unplayed albums being bought from customers. I consider myself more of a completist collector than a variant collect but only for a handful of artist I love. Sometimes it can get pretty competitive trying to track down that one variant. Just look at us rabid Kiss collectors as an example. 😏
Me, I'm Mr. Do it for the music, period. I have a decent collection. About 1,000 albums. I like the history and making of an album. That's where I stand in all this.....
100% agree with you on the GOML specimens. That ideology does nothing for emerging and future artists who's work also appears on vinyl format too! Like... it's not that they can't explore the current scene without. SMH ... you find 'em in socially... workplaces.. stuck to the same olde 'Classic Hits' high repetition, jerk presenters on Commercial radio, playing the same shit they were 20-60 years ago...today... which was shit back then too. I don't suffer it and will 'take out' a receiver that assaults. There are sub-classes of these stereotype... or more 'Monotypes'.... The Anal-logue comes to mind. I've never ever had a problem with the last Bonus stereotype though. If anything it's given friends and inside info on the biz. Easy fix for a prat though.. say "oh, is that so"... and don't shop.
Well said - I pretty much agree (not that it makes any difference what I say or do), yet personally I believe the ONLY reason for collecting LPs is because one wants analog. If I'm OK with digital anywhere in the production chain, I'd just as soon buy a much less expensive (generally) CD. There is absolutely no sense (my opinion is only valid for me) in paying over $30 for any LP with a digital connection in it, yet many today are forking out over $100 for digital re-pops, when often the original analog LP is better and can still be found for $5-$7.
I totally get it. For me, it's about much more than just the sound. It's the act of owning it, being able to hold it, actually consume the art, have it as a part of the discography - and then rediscovering it on the shelf one day. I listen to a much wider spectrum of music when choosing from my record collection, versus say....scrolling endlessly through my phone. So yes, I want my music to sound good - but that's only one thing I love about the vinyl format, regardless of the "source". And, as I mentioned there's very little music that even exists post-1995 that wasn't recorded digitally. That's nearly 30 years of music that I love, and love to enjoy on vinyl. Cheers Jim! Appreciate the comment.
I'm none of those types and I kind of think every type you described are insufferable. But my defect might be I want to buy good titles as cheap as possible. Somwtimes I pay a little more for a rare title I want so bad. But if the price is too high I might not get it. Probably I'm the type of collector record store owners like you don't like very much lol. I might be a variant of the "Get off my lawn" type, but I love new music and new genres so Im probably not cause I would love to get Bad Bunny records but cheaper.
You just missed me type..".Vinyl Sound" lovers, who buy OGs and rip them back to DSD and make CDrs out of them, play through stand alone DAC, hearing no Digital brightness or harshness (Placebo effect) and sell those OGs back on ebay with slightly marked up price., I am not into the Vinyl inconvenience of storage and cleaning and getting up from my listening seat to flip the LPs at this older age.
Ok, I’m looking in the mirror and: 1. Analog Snob - definitely not 2. Mr. OG - sometimes, usually, well, probably most of the time 3. Crosley Basher - definitely not, but I will give advise if asked, but I’ve never been asked 4. VC - somewhat guilty, but I listen to all of them. I’m always looking for the best sounding variant especially if it hasn’t been remastered. 5. All new music sucks - definitely not.
That is a funny list. There is a lot to be said about some of these collectors. The last one, Get Off My Lawn is a strange one. You are not old enough to have lived and experienced the mid s60s on. It was different, the feeling the air was different, the times, the Vietnam war, the DRAFT. It was a different time and lent itself to different music. I wonder if these younger people think of themselves as hippy wannbees. If I am at my local casino and they are playing music where the voice sounds like it is coming out of a computer speaker, I cringe. When they play oldies and even nice current music from good musicians, I'm happy. Today we don't have a Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Donovan, Gordon Lightfoot, Boston, Journey, Pearls Before Swine, Caravan, Lee Michaels, Tim Burton. The list is long. Once in a while I hear talent, great folk singers who harken back to the 60s. It was a nice and turbulent time all wrapped up in a single package. As for the rest, I have original pressings of music from the 60s to the 80s. For sale if they want to pay my price. In the 80s, I moved on to CDs and still collect CDs for the simple reason I can easily rip them into my PC and make a flash drive full of music for my wife when she is driving to and from work. As some of my records have suffered fatal degrees of damage, I am replacing them with CDs. See reason above for why I collect CDs. And for those ANALOG purists, more music is recorded digitally. Even back in the 70s, music was digitally recorded. Look at titles on the TELARC label, you will find that all recordings are done digitally. It's a brave new world. Enjoy and keep rocking.
The thing with the Crosley equipment is that if your introduction to vinyl is on that cheap shit equipment, why would you stick with it? A stock fm radio in a Camry sounds 10x better than a Crosley. Those cheap record players will not expand the hobby/scene or whatever you want to call vinyl collecting.
You’d be surprised. I’ve spoken with many people that started on a suitcase and have become long term collectors. Yes that audio experience is sub par but it can still act as a gateway because it gives people the opportunity to actually buy/own a record…and that in itself is an eye opener for many.
4:52 I find the "OG" title goofy. I would assume it has caught on because it's faster to say and type. We could probably blame the millennials for using that term regarding records. 🤣 jk I am a millennial but I like the term early pressing because sometimes it's hard to find out if something is actually a first pressing. If people put alot of effort into deciphering the codes and collected information from the record executives and pressing plant workers then it's possible to know the first pressings.
Some reissues are better, need to read the hype sticker. Remastered from the original analog tapes, mastered by Kevin Gray. Certainly better than the original
@@Jamko1970 ok more clarity--the VG+ lightly scratched record that used to go for 5$ perhaps 15 years ago---now routinely goes for 12 to 18$. At least in the Austin record store market. Getting a near flawless OG of many records is nigh impossible...or will be very costly.
Is an OG the very first pressing in the very first country, or does it include first pressings from other countries and/or vintage pressings that weren't in the first run? I have very few first pressings because they are so difficult/expensive to get, but some of my early pressings sound terrific and much better than any modern reissue.
Og's are a nice ego stroke and often they sound great. But often, they also don't sound good as certain reissues. Over the long run they retain more value than a repress, but that only matters if you plan on selling your collection, piece by piece at some point. Too many naive dorks look at thier discogs page like a hedge fund portfolio. the reality is if you are going to sell records, 90% of the time you are taking a hit and not profiting. when you factor the time and energy it takes into getting top dollar for used albums it's just not worth it unless you have some true grails.
@@toniputin1096 “first” versus “original” is kinda subjective, and any many cases impossible to identify. Most times “OG” simply refers to a version that came out the year it was released - location doesn’t have much baring as far as which country it came from
I'm definitely part of the "new music sucks crowd" and have been since before my senior year in high school in 1993. There's phrasings that make new music "different" to say the least. Today's music sounds like a mixture of playing out of tune with few chord changes and a lack of structure like bridges or playing the root in the penultimate. I used to like 95% of the music on the R&B chart. Go back to 2012 and an artist named Miguel who does sing well but the backing track sounds like belching. Many R&B vocals post 2005 have the "Amy Winehouse mumble". Moreover there's all kinds of weird sounds and distortions that do nothing for the song. Others songs as far back as the late 90's just have no rise and fall to the vocals in regards to pitch. R&B got dumbed down! It seems like in Black music in particular if someone who becomes popular phrases something in an odd way, you have to live with 100 imitators of the sound. That really started in the early 90's with Jodeci who over-sang but there first album had well crafted songs. Their second offering wasn't as good and some of the old guard didn't really like the way K-Ci yelled when he covered Bobby Womack and Stevie Wonder. Jodeci was hugely influential but the singing left something to be desired. Now for the jazz. The best post 50's-very early 60's is a mere imitation of the period. The worst goes down every imaginable avenue possible. I'm also a compact disc evangelist much like Michael Fremer is to the vinyl record. It's hard for me not to mock today's vinyl collector at every turn.
If only old music is good, your taste in music is far to limited. These people are funny... enjoy your same old songs, fools. I'm trying to be more of a positive and informative Crosley basher, and just being more chill when I see someone touching the grooves of their own record.
Analogue snob? Vinyl started out as analogue, and it should remain so. Listening to a digitally sourced vinyl record seems meaningless to me. Listen to CD, DSD, etc if you're okay with digital. Listening to a digitally sourced vinyl is like riding a 60's original car with a 2000's cheap motor. Sorry, but so fake...
I loved all my MOFi LP rips to DSD and when playing though stand alone DSD, they all sounded warm like analog with no digital harshness or brightness to my placebo ears. But since the MOFI DSD debacle, when i rip those back to DSD, i do hear digital harshness and brightness, ..guess what, the Placebo effect originated from me.. i am bashing all those MOFis now. seems like i am an aged audiofool with aging ears who claims i can hear the difference.
