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For those wondering (as I was), they were spraying the lacquer master (which is soft) with silver nitrate, then dipping it into a nickel bath to electroplate the master...essentially taking the soft lacquer and making a metal twin so it can then be use to stamp the vinyl (PVC) cookies in the press.
I thought, they would have changed to the DMM process completely, it eliminated this step and by the way, it's possible to extend the recording time to 30 minutes per side without audible impairment.
Both silver nitrate, and a solution that will cause the silver nitrate to react and deposit on the surface as pure silver. For the chemistry nerd, it's basically a spray-on Tollens reaction. And doing that first is needed because of course, you can only electroplate objects that conduct electricity
@@robfriedrich2822 It's not possible. Only about 30 DMM cutting lathes were ever made in the world, and about 10 of them were later converted to be used for conventional lacquer cutting. Georg Neumann GmbH was the only manufacturer the actual DMM cutting equipment as part of its VMS80 series lathes. Since the sale of Neumann to German microphone manufacturer Sennheiser, Neumann no longer produces lathes or supplies parts. As of 2009, there were only seven publicly-usable DMM cutting facilities left in the world, all located in Germany, Netherlands, or Czech Republic. US lost its last DMM cutting facility in 2005 with the closure of New York record manufacturer Europadisk. Europadisk's DMM lathe was sold at auction on 2005 to the Church of Scientology for US $72,500.
Digital music sure threw a monkey wrench into that sector. It's crazy how powerful computers are, they're definitely going to be the demise of humanity.
Mechanical is a poor choice of words... if anything digital playback sounds mechanical. Records are analog because the actual sound waves cut the groove, so the needle playing it back is as close to the original as you can get.
@@56squadron mechanical vs electronic, seems pretty spot on to me. It all ends up as analogy sound waves so analogue is a really poor choice of words. This record also started as a digital sound file from the looks of it, so its not always actually fully analogue.
@GuyB I discovered the truth about LP's and digital music when I put a record on my old LP (an album I had on CD) and was SHOCKED by how much MORE music I could hear. Digital recording cuts out a percentage of the actual recording. I can see why they're coming back.
It's possible to store audio with hi quality. They recorded an old music and it'll sound according to but if you listen to a new vinyl with modern songs you'll be surprised. They sound so good and very clean.
For record pressing companies the times where hard between 1990 and 2010, they almost exclusively survived through that on the dance scene and dj hypes. Since 2010 the demand is rising and the presses are running overtime. My customer makes records as well, he went from 12 presses from the 1980's to 24 presses now, had to redevelop these presses himself as they aren't produced anymore.
Самое смешное, что изначально звук пишется на цифру, с нее же подается на базовый диск. И уверен, ни одной лампы ни в каком УНЧ ни на одном этапе не присутствует. Но в виниле происходит чудо - появляется "теплый звук". 🤣 Кстати, а вы в курсе, что на винил (точней, на базовый диск) звук поступает с измененным АЧХ? Завышаются высокие и занижаются низкие частоты - такая горка с завышенной правой частью. А самый первый УНЧ, снимающий сигнал с "головы", имеет зеркальный АЧХ, чтобы привести его в норму. Далее звук усиливается нормальными УНЧ с ровной АЧХ. Это связано с механическими, физическими параметрами записи на диск и никуда от этого не деться. То есть если низкие частоты записать на диск нормально, то дорожка была бы шире в несколько раз, соответственно уменьшилось бы время звучания/записи. Либо нужно было бы уменьшить в несколько раз уровень сигнала, тогда на порядок вырастут шумы от УНЧ и механические. Поэтому был выбран такой компромисс. А вы говорите "теплый звук". Добавьте к любой записи легкое потрескивание и получите "теплое звучание". 🤣 Впрочем, понимаю, главное не звук, а магические действия: вытащить пластинку из пакета, слегка дунуть, поставить на проигрыватель, запустить вращение, подвести тонарм... Магия!
A lot of thought went into even the idea of making a vinyl record. Man's ingenuity and determination is truly amazing at times. As an audiophile I will have a new found respect for my record collection. Thanks for the video!
@@shtefjunja5915 It's a really subjective topic but vinyl fans believe that vinyl sounds "warmer" and more natural than CDs since it's an analog medium. IMHO there's truth to this but it requires the entire process (recording, editing, and creating the LPs) to be 100% analog, and that's not the case with most (if not all) modern recordings
Você sabia que no Brasil temos uma fábrica de Vinil também, e em pleno desenvolvimento? Ela se chama Vinil Brasil; É maravilhoso ver estes verdadeiros artistas trabalhando no indústria da gravação em Vinil!
Sim, o processo é praticamente idêntico. Acho que existem poucas diferenças na questão do maquinário, desta fábrica coreana, que é um pouco mais novo. Mas isso não diminui o mérito e a qualidade da Vinil Brasil. Até porque esses equipamentos não são mais fabricados. E quando dão problema, eles passam por reparos. A Vinil Brasil também faz uma inspeção sonora na matriz e depois visual nos discos prontos. E após uma tiragem de 50 cópias, eles fazem uma outra inspeção, que inclui a sonora, a fim de evitar falhas na produção.
Yes! I have also seen this process as well! What a wonderful and fascinating creation th3e vinyl “records” are! If only digital music was this cool it would be great, but once music is digitized it no longer creates the true curve of sound signatures and degrades the actual signals. No more digital for me, I am fully vinyl now forevermore! Thanks!
A customer of mine has a record pressing plant as well. Very cool to watch the production of records. Currently there are new presses made again which didn't happen between 1990 and 2015. A lot more is automosed over there, but also still a lot of handwork. Good that in times of more and more digital this old school technique prevails for lots of people.
@@francescozani9488 There are some trying to make new lathes but it takes time. I know Flo Kaufmann makes a couple of them per year in his shop in Solothurn using old Neumann bodies discarded from the war.
Go on, put us folk out of our misery and tell us who and where. The more that the knowledge of what is happening spreads the more demand there will be.
В 80 -х наблюдал за производством пластинок в Апрелевке -большое производство , стояли наши и импортные машины литьевые .Получали там измерительные пластинки для настройки головок звукоснимателей .
Чаще всего такие пластинки поставлялись с оборудованием звукозаписи Neumann, с них снимали копии. Так же были калибровочные ленты для студийного магнитофона Studer, с которого, собственно, и велась запись (мастер-лента).
As a Man who grew up in an era before Compact Discs and music streaming I so much appreciate seeing these videos. In my opinion the only way to truly enjoy music is either attending a live performance or playing a well recorded vinyl record on a good turntable with a good cartridge. Add to that the right amplifier, speakers and other tweaks and you have all you need to achieve listening nirvana.
@@davidwanklyn8842 Was born in 1945 and remember listening to the radio before TV became the staple. Watching a 12 inch TV screen was considered a thrill back then if you could afford a TV. 😉
Well, a lossless digital recording and a good quality player, with proper DAC, amplifier and speakers, produces the most accurate depiction. Vinyl adds distortion, which people also call "the vinyl sound". It's got a specific sound signature to it. In other words, digital recordings are as precise as you can go, while vinyl is imperfectly perfect in its own way. The irony is, most new vinyl recordings, are made from a digitized master.
No digital recording is truly lossless because it is sampled. Lossless really refers to the codec algorithm which doesn't lose information when it's decoded, as some do. There are many good reasons to go digital, but any conversion from analogue will lose some information. The only way not to is to have an infinite rate of sampling, which is obviously impractical.
오래전에 djing을 바이닐로 시작했습니다 한창 플레이 할때 저만의 LP set을 위해 회현상가,동묘시장,홍대레코드샵을 전전하고 해외샵도 이베이도 이용하고 했죠 ㅎㅎㅎ 아직도 플레이를 했던 수많은 LP 전면부의 이미지와 그위에 새겨진 작은 스티커들이 선명하게 기억납니다 지금의 빠르고 정확한 스트리밍에는 느낄수 없는 LP 그 특유의 질감과 정전기, 바늘이 내는 노이즈 뒤에 흐르는 음악은 조금은 따뜻하고 아련한 무엇이 있는거 같습니다 말로만 듣고 알고만 있었는데 하나 남은 국내의 LP 제조공정을 이렇게 자세히 보니 신기합니다! 앞으로도 멋진 바이닐 레코드 제조회사로 더욱 더 번창하길 바랍니다
@@jonueflbana6864 я не большой знаток изготовления винила. Интересуюсь для общего развития. Не так давно, к примеру, смотрел процесс изготовления электронных ламп. Увлекательно.
My most sincere congratulations for your art. As a great admirer of music and the supports that allow it to be listened to, I have always had the utmost respect for vinyl and compact discs, even those of musical genres that I don't follow. This video demonstrates how much work goes into what many think is just a round piece of plastic...
Yes! When I was young I always wondered why does round piece of plastic sound so good? Now I am older and have seen this video! It has opened my eyes to the beauty and art that goes into record production! My upmost congratulations as well on such a phenomenal creation! My hat also goes off to them as well!
@@w-rabbit I believe you are mostly correct, except you forgot the spray stage. I believe they're using a silver nitrate spray on that step, similar to how they make glass mirrors.
At least there are companies out there Still Making Vinyl Records! None of these new Streaming Websites will EVER stop these new Vinyl Records! Great Video!
Молодцы ребята! Благодаря вам, "классика", как таковая, никогда не утратит своей силы и актуальности! Россия уже все утратила, если говорить о производствах.... А ВЫ, молодцы! Большой привет Вам с Урала!!!
жаль что это корея, а наша мелодия давно в чермете(( хотя была бывозможность то же покупал винил, ибо и старых пластнок море, нравятся из журнала кругозор
0:28 - источник сигнала компьютер, запись в цифре. Это всё, что необходимо знать! Далее, в процессе производства мастер-пресса вносятся лишь дополнительные искажения. При штамповке ещё искажения. В итоге вы получаете музыку с динамическим диапазоном 50dB. Для кого-то это магия, которую можно лицезреть и подержать в руках ))
это сейчас они дорогие просто потому, что их делают в штучных количествах. на самом деле собрать оборудование для записи не очень сложно самому даже в домашних условиях, а пустые виниловые болванки под запись свободно в инете продаются. че хочешь то и записываешь на них. но можно и без виниловых болванок, раньше на рентгеновских снимках тайком от партии вообще записывали.
@@iam21h собрал я тут копию sx-74 со своими дополнениями типа сменных держателей для резцов. Да, работает. Охлаждение гелием, самариевые магниты, 150вт на канал, усилитель самодельный quad 606. Но вот стол собрать-зело дорогое удовольствие в свете нынешних событий. Пока лежат чертежи. Успел выточить только планшайбу.... Может и вернусь когда нибудь к этому... Когда всё закончится и изменится к лучшему...
Класс!, правда я не видела никогда пластинки синего цвета, только те были синие, которые мягкие и маленькие,а эти большие и твёрдые синего цвета, супер!!!
I remember seeing a film back in about 1950 or so that showed this same process for 78, 33 1/3, and 45 RPM records. The 78s were on their way out so to speak, the 33 1/3 were very expensive relative to the cost of the old 78s, and the 45s were the way of the future and very cheap. You could buy a 78 RPM for about $1-2.00 dollars (USD), the 33 1/3 records were in the range of $3.00 to perhaps $10.00 or more depending on the type of music (classical music records were very expensive while children's music, Christmas music, even religious music were much lower in price). The new 45 RPM records were about $0.75 cents each, or even cheaper, and remained in that price range for several years. The 45s were almost exclusively for the new Rock and Roll genre. I remember being amazed at how quickly the records were coming off the assembly line and finally understood why the manufacturing of records was always referred to as "pressing".
Muito boa essa reportagem, como colecionador de vinil ,sempre tive a curiosidade de saber como eram produzidos, valeu coreanos ,Belém do Pará Amazônia,Norte do Brasil .
Вау это так красиво выглядит на самом деле. В первые вижу как они делаются на самом деле. В живую я их видел так как у моих родственников бабушки и у дедушки был проигрыватель и сами эти диски но как они делаются не когда в жизни не видел. За это огромное спасибо.
@@agatkz3446 , действительно! Была даже передача "Кружатся диски". А ещё был какой-то квадратный журнал с дыркой в середине, а некоторые из его страниц были голубой музыкальной гибкой пластинкой; и его можно было сначала читать, а потом слушать.
in that stage the compressed air is used to dry it, not to keep it clean, next a sander is used to remove the edge to be able to open a double layer matrix - and all important analog information is inside - in between those two layers.
We need Japan to start making vinyl again! And do worldwide distribution their technology is so good and they really put a lot of quality in their mastering
Essa é a primeira vez que vejo a fabricação de uma matriz para a reprodução das cópias do disco de vinil. Obrigado internet, já não vou morrer sem ver essa arte tão bela que fez muito sucesso no passado e ainda faz..
Espero que você tenha o prazer de apreciar ao vivo um disco de vinil em condições de alguma música que lhe agrade. É uma experiência única ouvir uma gravação mecânica e analógica girando e soando diante dos seus olhos. Você literalmente enxerga a música como ela é.
I was very fond of this device since I was a child and I still love it, especially now that I saw the production method of the screens, my love for them increased.
Very interesting and informative. I am surprised how many manual stages are performed purely by hand/eye. I am sure they are very skilled operators, but you would think that many of those operations have great leeway to introduce imperfections in the recording grooves. I thought the silver coat might have been vacuum deposited or electrostatically , but just spraying on with a "hose" I would never have guessed! Great video.
I was wondering about that as well. Looks like they had a master, then made a copy of the master, and then pressed records from that. I thought they would make copies right from the master. I guess the actual master is kept safe and isn’t used so they can make copies again. Interesting video.
@@CiscoWes They need to make a pressing master as the original master is a "positive" impression of the grooves. Using that one directly would create a "negative" print, so to speak. That's why they need to create a "negative" before they can make more "positives" again.
Nunca tinha visto o processo do disco que é no caso a master, para em seguida fazer as cópias. É um trabalho belo e fascinante. Parabéns aos profissionais.
uma pena ter deixado para traz o principal , que é a captaçao e gravaçao analogica , nao tem graça gravar de origem digital como eles fizeram ae ., o Vinil em sua essencia todos os processos devem ser analogicos , captaçao, gravaçao , masterizaçao e por fim a prensagem , pegar um arquivo wave e gravar no vinil , ficara a mesma qualidade de um CD , o analogico puro é muito superior.
@@cybertechbh1481 eu faço remaster (Passo pra digital e faço o tratamento) de LP's tanto antigos da época em que o processo produtivos era todo analógico como das produções atuais. Por experiência própria o áudio dos Lp's atuais são oriundas de fonte digital, mas eles usam fonte em alta definição no caso 24bits/96khz, 24bits/192khz ou até mesmo uma fonte em 32bits 192khz pode ser usada, já que existe a alguns anos interfaces de áudio que gravam nessa resolução . No CD a resolução é de 16 bits/44,1khz, apesar da produção dos Lp's atuais ser de origem de áudio processado digitalmente, vale a pela converter para digital para ter o áudio em alta definição, visto que não existem serviços onde se possa compar. música , principalmente nacional em alta definição. Eu concordo com vc , é triste que os discos atuais seja feito de fonte digital, o correto seria que todo o processo de produção desde a gravação mixagem edição, masterização, até chegar a gravação no acetato, seja todo feito de forma analógica , usando os rolos de fita como era feito antigamente. É um processo bem trabalhoso sim , mas o diferencial é justamente esse, que todo o processo do áudio seja feito com equipamentos analógicos usando os rolos de fita. Isso traz uma sonoridade única que o digital mesmo com os plug-ins não consegue igualar, até pq o sinal analógico tem infinitos pontos e o digital tem um número finito(isso é determinado pelo número de bits). A medida que se aumenta a resolução da gravação digital, mais próximo fica do sinal analógico (infinitos pontos) , quando se faz 2^16=65,536, é o número de níveis possíveis que podem ser capturados do sinal analógico, quando se faz 2^24=16.777.216, se tem todos esse níveis que são capturados na gravação digital em 24 bits, absurdamente maior do que o número de níveis da gravação em 16 bits. O sinal analógico como já foi dito tem infinitos pontos, ou seja a gravação digital tenta se aproximar do sinal analógico quando vc grava com resolução cada vez maior , mas nunca é igual. Mas para efeito de qualidade 24 bits já a atinge um nível de qualidade de excelência dentro da faixa dinâmica do ser humano que é de 120DB, teoricamente uma gravação de 24bits chegar a 144 DB, mas na prática não chega a tudo isso pq existem limitações na eletrônica, os conversores atuais chegam próximo do 120 DB. O problema do vinil são os chiados, estalos, ruídos , que podem aparecer com arranhões , poeira, partículas diversas etc., mas quando se extrai essas imperfeições o som é inigualável. Concluído o sistema LP (Long Play) é um sistema de som de alta definição analógico, e é justamente esse o barato, por isso seria tão importante que se voltasse a produzir os mesmos em processo produtivo 100% analógico.
Yeah, gone are the days of selling tens of thousands of records in a run though. Would have been really neat to get a video of how the largest record production facilities did it back in the day.
@@markdunn2795 Yes, they are standard LP (33 1/3 RPM) records the same process for a 45RPM single. The 78RPM oldies were made with shellac in pretty much the same way, the groove cutter was MONO only with less bandwidth.
It's obvious that once all the prep work is done, the actual vinyl pressing is a breeze. Automation is a great tool. This plant does high end work, at premium prices. Quality in, quality out.
@@l0os176 Adele 30, sold 318,000 vinyl copies in two months. has to be well past 400k could be at 500k now. plenty of albums are selling over 20k press now. even niche labels can sell 10k+ of a desirable album.
I appreciate this as I used to play albums and will soon resume playing them through my old JVC QL5 turntable. Just purchased a sweet cartridge to use for this. Interesting to see all the steps. From the acetate master cut on the lathe to the father, then the mother stamping plate and finally the vinyl albums produced.
Wow! As someone who still owns many hundreds of vinyl records, dating back to when i first started buying them in the 1970's, i found this absolutely fascinating. I don't play them anymore as the times and trends have changed, and over the years i updated many of them to CD, and now, like most people, i pretty much stream everything i listen to, (on Apple Music). But, i would never part with my collection. They will stay with me until i am no longer on this mortal coil. It is great also, to see the huge resurgence that vinyl continues to make. I read just recently that it has now overtaken CD's. How times change. Thanks for posting this! 🧿 💿
It is good to keep them as the sound quality and resolution on vinyl is much higher than CDs. CDs cap their sound frequency to 20000 hz, vinyl however can go upwards of over 100000 hz. Also, in terms of resolution it will also surpass CDs as CDs are 16 bit.
@@ellisgarbutt1925 Yeah, i understand that, but there is no possible way i could buy all of what i have on my AM (that i don't already own on vinyl and/or CD already). The current total stands at some three-and-a-half thousand (mostly) albums 😆
I wish I still had my dad's vinyl recorder, it was about 3 feet by three feet by maybe 2 feet tall made out of wood. He could record with a live mic or it had a built-in radio and you could record things off the radio . He would just buy blank vinyl records put the needle down and it would make the grooves and record. Like later people would buy blank cassettes, then blank CD's. I later turned it into my guitar amp rigging up a guitar cable, it sounded really good. The vinyl recorder had stopped working and couldn't find blank vinyl anymore anyway
Отлично! Запись волшебного винила осуществляется с проклятой цифры! Винил же в силу своей волшебности всё исправит, ну ещё поможет ламповый усилитель...😁
да можно ржать сколько угодно, но есть вещи, которые остались только на виниле в наш безумный век тырнета, какой-нить "задрот"коллекционер бережно сохранит, а сеть нет )
@@voloviks, вот интересно... Ты название ролика читал вообще? Ну, подскажу, не поленюсь. Здесь речь про нынешнее производство. Нынешнее! Разницу понимаешь?)
Ничего себе, сколько времени и точности нужно чтобы изготовить одну виниловую пластинку! В детстве я думал что можно с лёгкостью записать на пластинку музыку, но я не знал что полосатые круги играют в виниловой пластинке важную роль!
Я по началу тоже так подумал, сколько гемора нужно чтобы создать одну пластинку, а оказывается почти весь ролик это создание матрицы для этих пластинок, дальше они просто штампуются
@@user-xu6np8oe2y а если мысленно вернуться во времена, когда это только зарождалось и представить уровень оборудования, на котором все это делалось, вот тут еще больше задумаешься... Сейчас кнопочку нажал и сиди- жди. А "тогда"......
Потому что это когда то после войны вывезенная в Корею фабрика с оборудованием 30-40 годов прошлого века из расчета на дармовую рабочую силу. По факту например лазером можно изготавливать не мастер - диск, а сразу его негатив без нудной долгой и трудозатратной гальванической технологии, половина операции сразу отпадут.
Wow. I read in many books over the years about how vinyl records are made, but this really brings the process to life. Didn't realise just how many steps are involved. Thanks very much!
The magical process is the reduction silver that is sprayed on. You may notice there are two streams of liquid, one with silver the other with a reducer that makes the silver precipitate from solution and deposit on the shellac master to provide a near perfect impression of the cut grooves, backed with the electroplated (usually) nickel it forms the stamper to make the grooves in the vinyl almost exact copies of the cut grooves.
Awesome video. Being a audiophile for decades. Talking about the process of making LP’s this video is excellent in showing the hole process from the master’s then making the master stampers , thanks for the video.
This video is the cleanest vinyl pressing facility I have seen on youtube. I also never saw the sanding procedure done before. Is it to give a better grip?
For me it is amazing to see, at how many steps of the production there is a chance for generating errors, potentially reducing the quality of the end product! It still works, but there are so many factors during the production and playback of this ancient music recording technology, affecting the final audio quality, that I have to assume that mainly sentimentality still keeps such a format alive. If the mastering of the CDs is done with the same care as for the analog versions (especially the user of compression) then the digital format will be miles above the analogue versions.
Los discos de vinilo nunca debieron dejar de fabricarse, hoy vuelven porque reproducen el sonido mejor que cualquier otro sistema de sonido, y los melómanos lo aprecian.
Sensacional! Por isso que sou(fui)colecionador de vinil desde 1965. É uma obra de arte, além da Arte composta pelos Artistas gravada para sempre nesses magníficos Discos. Sou admirador desses LPs, imbatíveis ontem, hoje e creio que para sempre. Uma beleza !
