Visiting a massive 4,000-model Agincourt diorama 

Bless them for it, I dont know how they manage to make models so numerous and detailed, but also so incredibly cheap. I only wish they covered more countries and eras in history.

What game was this called they made was it Never Mind the Billhooks?

They also got a cameo in Return of the King extended edition. They played dead Rohan warriors near the dead mumakil.

I sell minis like these in my store. When I saw the medieval ones that the Perry's did...I salivated a little bit. They are really special.

Not sure which Perry it was but one of them joined harlequin miniatures and they were sued as they made models very similair to Gamesworkshop one example was skaven and ver'men.

Yep, a scant 4000 figures is a low budget representation.

@@joshpotter9261 but it would be very hard to see the diorama close enough unless they would build some bridges over it.

@@georgepopescu1327 true, thus lay the wargamer's conundrum. When you put on a game representing a historical battle, the best you can do is to show an approximate point in the battle and the disposition of troops at that point, formations and locations, but you'll never have an accurate 1/1 count of bods. Even the large Waterloo game a couple of years ago, was far short of the actual number, but it was quite a large game with many historical outcomes being repeated.

Yes, a game always is going to be an abstraction at some point.

in 1415?

Thank you and thanks for an incredible exhibition!

I’m late to this but same I would play with it break it then fix it

I didn't noticed that. Interesting

One of those figures is the emperor pretending to be a common soldier

I see that you are a man of culture as well.

@@yojon4905 and yet, he learned very little from the longbow 'stares at space marine halberds'

I'm actually using these figures to represent Bretonnians in my army:)

For Sigmar!

"In extremis"? Are you sure you mean to use that here?

Yes I am, just as I am sure that you are a moron . Lol.

Hardly "realistic"

They work wonderfully well in real life and allow you to get that perspective even though the model is set low.

There were like 200,000 soldiers on the field at Waterloo. Medieval battles were the size of skirmishes of ancient and early modern battles.

1:1?? wouldnt that take huge space and terracotta army 2.0

@@eriksaari4430 exactly, it would take up a huge space, but it would be amazing to see the true scale of a battle. Also; when I say 1:1 scale, I mean in terms of number of models, not the size of the model haha.

Thanks and it’s well worth a visit if you ever get the chance. Not even 5 per cent of the detailed stuff on the vid really.

Ha ha thank you 🙏

Thanks a lot - loads more to come!

You’re welcome! 👍

No I don't think it represented a turning point in the evolution of warfare, the use of gunpowder and canon/musket did, at patay the french cavalry decimated the elite english corp of longbowman.

The battlefield was also limited by the woods on either side, as shown in the diorama, which acted as a funnel as the French advanced towards the English lines. They would only have been able to use their mobility on much more open terrain, irrespective of the boggy ground. As it was they fought on foot, having at least learned the lesson of Crecy that mounted charges were futile against a prepared defence. It’s also frequently overlooked that the battle began with an English advance as the French had initially shown no sign of attacking, apparently expecting the English to surrender. It was this advance that prompted the French to attack.

Thank you for watching and one day I will visit the battlefield itself.

Hope you make it .The weather late today at least was very wet so seemed appropriate. Also fresh flowers had been left at one of the memorials over looking the battlefield which was moving.

lol

this makes no sense on a lot of different levels.

How is it even relevant?

@@EricChien95 I will explain very carefully: In the Marvel movie Loki had a large army. The museum has a bigger one. It was meant to praise the diorama for the impressive size of the army of miniatures, that metaphorically would exceed Loki's army and impress him so much that he would surrender to Tony Stark and the Avengers instead of fighting.

@@blank557 still makes no sense

Cheers captain!

No problem - maybe one day you will!

Auckland museum used to have a diorama of a battle on a Pah between the Maori and the English colonists. It was my favourite thing in the whole museum when I was a kid. But sadly, it's been gone for years now. No idea why.

i wish total war would focus more on scale than graphics we've been stuck with ~2-4000 men average battles for too long

Had a quick look for this but sadly it doesn’t appear to be there anymore.

@@nicmatthews9721 that’s a shame, it’s still accessible on my account but obviously that doesn’t help new people to find it. I’ll see if there’s any other way to access the video of the diorama

I’ve tried so many times to fix 😵😵😵

⭐️ it really IS good as it portrays the entire surrounding area so gives an not just idea of the size of the Mexican force but also of the outlying buildings walls and perimeters of The Alamo rather than just the Mission itself…..and they REALLY aren’t keen on anyone taking photos of it ! ⭐️

@@mobileandhostile7895 No they are not!

And the apparent total lack of arrows.

I think it’s an English mis-spelling or interpretation which has become customary here over the ages. To English ears it sounds a bit like a ‘g’ pronunciation so I imagine that’s why it has stuck.

The nearby castle was apparently mentioned as Aisincurt in 1165, Asincurtis in the twelfth century, Aisincort in 1202 and Asincourt in 1362. Spelling wasn't fixed back then. After the battle, the herolds of both sides agreed to name the battle after the castle Azincourt with a z. So I guess it wasn't a mishearing by the English in 1415. It's been suggested that it came to be as a spelling error by some medieval scribe, mistaking the letter z for the letter yogh (a type of g that looks very much like the tailed z). This kind of mistake happened a lot with Scottish family names - MacKenzie should really be spelled and pronounced as MacKengie. Also, the local nobleman is still called d'Azincourt with a z in English sources.

From what i learned in school in the UK I thought we won almost every battle in the Hundred Years War. Only when I was older I learned about all the defeats! I think we learned a bit about Joan of Arc, plus Crecy Agincourt and Poitiers and that’s about it.

They only talk about the battles they won.

Agincourt is a well established English pronunciation. Exactly the same way Englishmen say "Paris" and not "Parrreeee"

@@HO-bndk it is, but it is another town about 500kms away from Azincourt. Or maybe by chance the english pronunciation of Azincourt is also Agincourt ? If so, then my bad

I would imagine they got a decent discount, and probably free delivery as 15% at £20 per box (now £22) would be a hefty amount in itself. What I’d like to know is, what did the do with all the empty sprues?

WWI generals weren't idiots you know.

And then came Patay. ^^ French chivalry was too self confident in Azincourt. They did not made that mistake twice. The ground was realy awfull for a charge. Too mudy. The english positions were realy great in a defensive way. The frenchs will use the same strat the english used at Azincourt at Castillon la bataille. Luring english troops into a mouse trap well defended and with long range fires. Archery was butchered at Patay by the same fench chivalry they exploded in Azincourt, english chivalry was butchered at Castillon. Game over. Say goodbye to aquitania. But you're still welcome to drink some Bordeaux or Cognac bottles my friends.

I had the very same thought.

They were actually both sculpted by the Perry brothers, so that probably contributes to how similar they are.

What do you imagine the Bretonnian archers were based on?

Because how many visitors on a day out jolly to see the old guns and suits of armour at the museum do you think would have ever heard of it?

😂

Very true. Lots going on throughout Europe during 15C that often gets missed.

This is a museum in England. They have to entertain the masses who are perhaps less well informed than enthusiasts. Personally I think this looks rather "meh" and is a waste of museum floor space but that's just me.

@@HO-bndk not a wargamer then?

Whose responsibility would you say it is to commemorate medieval battles outside England and France?

Shogun was the first game though:)

@@orvar2k Yeah, but few knew about Shogun until they played Medieval 1.

Where are the Elephants?

Thats a little....unnuanced. If you want to go that far I could fecetiously say all French arent French they are Frankish germans ;p Anglo-Norman lords were the mainstay not the exception, ala lords with both landed interests in England and on the continent. This isent the first Plantaganet empire, Richard the 'Lionheart' now that was a occitian french king with fuck all to do with England. By this point it was much much murkier. Unless your discussing the folks down in Aquitiane/Gascony etc. IF you were even slightly unpopular with parliament you'd struggle to find Englishmen or anglo-norman lords willing to waste time and money and life down there for somewhere noone had any interest. You are right however that how its taught in England gives much more weight to the important of English estates when infact De Normandies and early Plantaganets regarded England as a more or less foreign cashcow, some better Kings aside.

@@shacklock01 the first Frankist were germanic tribes, yes. Like the angles & Saxons, the Lombards & ostrogoth in northern Italy, the wisigoth in Spain. but by the 8th century, they stopped being germanic and mixed with the gauls to make the old French. The Plantagenêts were completly French. the 100 years was is not a war between english & French, The Plantagenêts were French & england aristocracy were French also.

@@lecapetien3223 Im related to the Plantagenates through the house of Anjou. Im still English just with Norman ancestry. Henry of Monmouth spoke English as a main language. His favourite King was Alfred the Great who introduced Old English as a primary form of language rather than latin. Henry was English.

@@west6682 Dieu et mon droit ! or should i say "Gott und mein Recht" ?? seems better for the german queen of england. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wL5sOKP5Aqw.html btw, how is Prinz Andrew the Pädophile??

@@lecapetien3223 Salty

Eh? There is a whole freaking museum at Oosterbeek on Market Garden, with dozens of dioramas (and actual militaria).

Would be a bit odd to have Market Garden at the Royal Armouries. Personally I would like one of one of battles of 1812..albeit you would need large numbers of American troops withdrawing. Or a diorama of the remodelling of the White House by Redcoat Interior Designs Ltd

We had the last laugh at Waterloo, haven't heard from the French since

@@MrCakesFFS Yeah about that don't forget to thanks the Prussian without whom you would have lost. And you could say also the entire Europe. English are the first to send the others bleed for their interest...

@@Comissar_Carolus the Prussians were at best a distraction and didn't really have a great effect in the battle other than Grouchy was deployed in search of them.

@@joshpotter9261 Are you kidding me ?! Blücher is the one that made the final blow to Napoleon. The british alone would have lost the battle. The Prussians came on the battlefield at the time were Wellington was about to order a retreat.

Oh they love their victories, but when they are defeated lol, not even in history books they write that. One example is the Spanish armada, they forget the counter armada of the English, bigger and lost in battle not by a storm 😂.

When the French go back in time and win the battle, we’ll start using the ‘Z’. 😂

I don't know if you noticed but words in different languages are often spelt and pronounced differently