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Visiting Communist Czechoslowakia in 1988 

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In August 1988 my friend Ton and I visited this then Communist country - now split up in two. Poverty and decline everywhere. Service was poor, but the common people were friendly
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@danieldelasheras9683
@danieldelasheras9683 4 года назад
You don't see any poverty in the video.
@cheguevara5560
@cheguevara5560 3 года назад
That is a good point , me nether , You want be able to found any homeless people living on the streets in Czechoslovakia in 1988 , poverty is something else ... Socialism do not create a poverty , poverty is byproduct of capitalism , We were not wealthy by western standard , but we had enough for basic needs , which are housing ,food and utilities bills. No homeless people , hardly any unemployed people , free education and free medical care ...
@janjelinek4283
@janjelinek4283 4 месяца назад
Homeless people were taken to jail as well as unemployed people.
@tigroussibirak8006
@tigroussibirak8006 3 месяца назад
@@janjelinek4283 Back then they weren't homeless, those who didn't have an apartment were at least in a hostel.
@tigroussibirak8006
@tigroussibirak8006 3 месяца назад
But he tried hard. 🤣
@marklar2012
@marklar2012 2 месяца назад
@@cheguevara5560 Nice fairy tale... now look how czechoslovakia has fallen and how many companies were destroyed by communists. Capitalism created middle class... communism basically forced labor, that is why you do not see homeless... nobody was really responsible for his choices.
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 4 года назад
4:50 - WTF? Better road than today. :-D
@vintason
@vintason Месяц назад
To so big traffic 😉
@swespeedy1
@swespeedy1 10 лет назад
8 crowns for that ice cream in 1988, well you got ripped-off mate :)
@jj9749
@jj9749 4 года назад
yes - should have been more like 2. I remember a beer sausage bread and mustard costing 6, and that was on Wenceslas Square.
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 4 года назад
8 crowns was normal price cca 15 years ago so in 80s it was few times overpriced :-D
@chamboyette853
@chamboyette853 3 года назад
@@jj9749 What was the rate to the dollar back then?
@jj9749
@jj9749 3 года назад
@@chamboyette853 I think it was round about 30-35 CZK to the dollar at that point, just after the revolution in 1990. [That was the black market rate on the streets, not the official rate].
@chamboyette853
@chamboyette853 3 года назад
@@jj9749 Wow. Things must have been very cheap back then.
@wynstonsmith7194
@wynstonsmith7194 10 лет назад
Great video! I first visited Prague two years ago and became fascinated with the city and Czech history. I love seeing videos like this which show a slice of history from that beautiful country. Thanks!
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 11 лет назад
Thank for your comments. I forgot where that pond was and my fosterson has died of skin cancer.
@mentugo
@mentugo 4 года назад
Dear Mr. Rogge, so the young man who was present in this video was your fosterson which died of skin cancer? How tragic :(
@peterberrett181
@peterberrett181 2 года назад
Sorry for your loss Mr Rogge.
@ranaantonio
@ranaantonio 5 лет назад
This was a trip of once in a lifetime!! as it this country and system does not exist anymore and you could travel to see in reality how it was
@jean-micheldenoual5052
@jean-micheldenoual5052 5 лет назад
Vous filmez bien ! J'étais à la Famu en 1989 . Merci pour ses images.
@KarlosTheMighty
@KarlosTheMighty 4 года назад
Hmm I dont know. Poverty is a bit strong word maybe., Born In 1990 I can still remember how it looked between 1900 and 2000 that we looked poor compared to our western neighbours. Everything was outdated, poor service. On the other hand compared to the rest of the Eastern block it was quite ok. Thanks to the fact, that Czechoslovakia was quite rich before the WW2, it was relatively rich even during the communist times in terms of the Eastern block. In the end, people had cars, TVs, we were never hungry, infrastructure worked including highways, trains worked, free healthcare was not bad (on the other hand planned economy always suffers from lack of resources, so for some reason they always did not have enough toilet paper for some reason and people were using newspapers :D ). However I realise that people looked at you totally amazed that you own a video camera :D I am not defending it, I am quite against communism really. But it was not really that bad in Czechoslovakia. There are still places on Earth where you can experience the proper poverty. On the other hand the regime was quite restrictive even compared to other communist government in the Middle and Eastern Europe, from this point of view it was quite bad after 1968 during the "Normalization". I am so glad I was born after the revolution of course ... great footage, thanks. I remember all the cars in the 90s, it was not much different compared to the late 80s. My parents had same Škoda 100 as in 3:11.
@paquitoalimana6249
@paquitoalimana6249 2 года назад
What was the good and the bad of socialist Czechoslovakia?
@Huy-G-Le
@Huy-G-Le Год назад
Do you remember what happen in 1989? The USSR collapse after that one stupid coup! Poverty happen because the USSR collapse!
@MrCharvik
@MrCharvik Год назад
@@Huy-G-Le What do you mean lol? There was no poverty here in 90s just in USSR. Here was big inflation maybe two years after rapid change from communism to capitalism and then people started to get better jobs, travel and enjoy life.
@Huy-G-Le
@Huy-G-Le Год назад
@@MrCharvik That isn't the experience most people would haves, most people doesn't get to own sectors of industry and natural resources, not to mention IMF demands all those whom it's let loan to, to abolish many parts of publics spending, which result in austerity policies. Better job? How? People have less worker right, Union was crush by IMF alone, not to mention the reintroduction of the Mafia and crime organization. Travel? You do realize the economic West, NATO and EU put that to block Eastern European from travel out side, right? Enjoys life? Again, the experience most people would have, and you either already left Eastern Europe by then, or WAS not a part of the majority whom have to endorses worsen living conditions, no protection, desperate measure. Then in the 2000? Sure thing did kick up again, at Eastern Europe is no longer under economic sanctions and trade embargoes, but then 2008 crash happen. Again I don't think you would count.
@Ludomir-ub4xg
@Ludomir-ub4xg 2 месяца назад
@@MrCharvik Are you illiterate, or just dangerously naive?? :D The West created the inflation in the East intentionally to rob, like elsewhere in the colonies. Inflation is just a tool. There is no free market. Nowhere in the world. The bigger dog is the king, or the citizens work together, otherwise is everything ruled by the mafia, like in the West, where there has never ever been any real democracy, just daemoncracy.
@copysk
@copysk 10 лет назад
thanks for video!
@jlszala
@jlszala 12 лет назад
@MichaelRogge No worries. Thank you again for the experience and responding.
@rolandacevans
@rolandacevans 7 лет назад
My family visited Czechoslovakia in 1986 by car for two weeks. There was dilapidation everywhere. Food was basic enough. the restaurants were very poor though the beer was excellent and cheap. The greatest flaw was pollution which although it wasn't as bad as neighbouring Poland was grim enough at times with pipelines running across the road. Czechs told us that often enough sirens would go off in industrial areas and children had to go indoors because of the air pollution. It was an enjoyable experience but crossing into Austria was a relief.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 7 лет назад
We had the same impression.Getting accomodation was also a problem
@rolandacevans
@rolandacevans 7 лет назад
We brought a tent which proved a money saver. Camping sites were cramped and hote water was scarce enough We prebooked a hotel in Prague which enabled us to get a better exchange rate. We also changed money on the black market for use outside Prague.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 7 лет назад
I was cheated when I tried to exchange money. By a conjuring trick I found myself with a handful of Yugoslavian dinars without value!
@rolandacevans
@rolandacevans 7 лет назад
We were very lucky on that trip. The Yugoslave dinar trick was pulled on us many years later in Hungary. We did try and change Irish punts on the black market by telling the seller that they were the same as sterling. He found us half an hour later and demanded his money back.] AS we were told many of the traders werre off duty police or russian soldiers we apologised and refunded him. Ah well, all is fair in love and war.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 7 лет назад
The man who cheated us prevented us inspecting the money he had pushed in our hands that there was a raid and ran away.
@adris432
@adris432 2 года назад
Choice of goods truly wasn't abundant. I wouldn't desribe it as poverty, though. The decline of buildings was also closely connected to communists not being interested in historical preservation (which felt quite bourgeois to them). Often they would tear down (completely good, functional, pretty) old historical buildings in order to build "modern" (read ugly) block buildings. There was very little interest (and therefore investment) in historical site conservation, total lack of care except maybe except for the very centre of Prague. Still, wouldn't quite decribe the day to day life as "poverty".
@exploringsuffolk
@exploringsuffolk 5 месяцев назад
They did this in Ipswich with the buildings, mind you they were a left wing council
@bozulzrican
@bozulzrican 9 лет назад
Tak v týhle zemi sem nikdy nebyl. :D
@homersimpson2512
@homersimpson2512 6 лет назад
It was great time, no phones no iphones etc, no fake music
@buci7290
@buci7290 5 лет назад
I think phones are a great thing you can hit time away if you are waiting and no friend is with you or send images to your friend and play together on phone
@Morgenstern1914
@Morgenstern1914 5 лет назад
I can assure you, that the pop music in Czechoslovakia was as terrible as it is now :-)
@Pidalin
@Pidalin 4 года назад
@@buci7290 I am young and I am using smartphone, but you can't deny life was more relaxed and simple without all that shits. You could jump to water without fear that someone will steal your stuff etc...today we are slaves of technology. I think best time for life was around 2005, we had computers and phones, but it wasn't something nessesery and no online accounts for all shits, today it's terrible.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 12 лет назад
Yes, we were not under the impression that we were being followed. We had great difficulty in securing a place to stay, though. Finally we found miles away from Prague an empty holiday resort room. When we were asleep the people who had reserved that room arrived at midnight. Fortunately they were put up elsewhere.
@anbeedigital143
@anbeedigital143 5 месяцев назад
I have visited in July 1988 as young pionner. Nostalgic
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 12 лет назад
@jlszala Sorry, I do not know anymore. I have only a record of going to Usti and Marienbad.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 12 лет назад
@JNathanK2011. Indeed, Pils beer was invented there!
@marcomilani8371
@marcomilani8371 8 месяцев назад
Cool video. I live in Czechia since almost 11 year now. Where is located that lake at 4:20?
@danieldelasheras9683
@danieldelasheras9683 4 года назад
Strange idea of ​​what poverty is. People who don't know what the world was like in 1988 (or who lived somewhere in fantasies)
@outbythedark1689
@outbythedark1689 10 месяцев назад
"service was poor" Maybe because you were treating people like they were animals in a zoo
@elpapichulo4046
@elpapichulo4046 2 года назад
I'm going to assume you're Dutch because of the intro. You do know that the reason that western Europe looked way better was because of the marshall plan right? The Netherlands would have looked very different if it wasn't for the marshall plan. Rotterdam would have been a hole for way longer.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 2 года назад
Don't underestimate the Dutch. They fought the king of Spain successfully in the past! Admittedly we benefitted greatly by the Marshall Plan.
@elpapichulo4046
@elpapichulo4046 2 года назад
​@@michaelijsbrand Besides the fact that it was immigrants who greatly built this country after ww2. I don't think you understand how beneficial the marshall plan was. What the eastern side was able to achieve without a marshall plan is pretty impressive.
@celioazevedoofficial
@celioazevedoofficial 5 месяцев назад
Great!
@peterberrett181
@peterberrett181 2 года назад
At 6.50 what is the building your were queuing at?
@smellsak
@smellsak 5 лет назад
Prague witout one milion turists. Nice nature on vilage , not drugs dealers , homeless, africans and prostitute. Nice epocha....
@lukebruce5234
@lukebruce5234 7 лет назад
Does not look as bad as you describe. I am also not aware of anyone living in poverty. Dilapidation was a problem though.
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 7 лет назад
One had only to look at the vacant shop windows and the dilapidated houses. Sorry, I did not get that in my pictures.
@letecmig
@letecmig 5 лет назад
@@michaelijsbrand well, the 'poverty' is a relative term. The country was much 'poorer' compared to western Europe. This impression was magnified by non-maintenance of the buildings and roads-that made the county look really depressing. But 'poverty' and 'empty shops': Selection of goods in shops was limited, but shops were not 'empty'- it was more like: instead of 50 types of TV sets you could choose from in the West , you could only choose between two types available. And if 'better'/'bigger' TV sets other than those two types readily available appeared in the shop, them the long queue formed. .... stuff like that. More like very limited variety of goods, rather than lack of them! Czechoslovakia was nothing like the Soviet union. But the 'poverty' is a word I reserve for something like India. I would call it 'tragic economic decline' rather than 'poverty'
@ultrahevybeat
@ultrahevybeat 4 года назад
i wish ther was some english subtitles
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 11 лет назад
Buildings were deteriorating in disrepair. Shop windows were covered in dust. etc. etc.
@janjelinek1020
@janjelinek1020 7 лет назад
MichaelRogge comunismus were good! Im Czech national...
@Sp00nexe
@Sp00nexe 6 лет назад
Jan Jelínek it's clear you've developed Alzheimer's then!
@TheDongQuai
@TheDongQuai 6 лет назад
znalazl sie znawca tematu; a zachod to dopiero raj; zaraz bedziecie uciekac z tego raju do krajow bylego SOCJALIZMU
@jigsawmuzak
@jigsawmuzak 6 лет назад
Maybe just gro up and stop talking nonsense?
@jigsawmuzak
@jigsawmuzak 6 лет назад
Tak, już wszyscy gonią z powrotem na łeb na szyję !Jak wiadomo, największy odsetek emigrantów w historii świata to ten uciekający do komunizmu.
@k.s.v.3398
@k.s.v.3398 Год назад
Very interesting video, thanks for that. At 3:24 you drive past the house where my wife is from (whom I didn't know at the time :). But I disagree with the word poverty. Of course, Czechoslovakia was not as rich as Western countries, there were worse cars, not enough coca cola, lego only with protection, etc., but social needs such as housing, food, heat, education, public transport or healthcare were at a good level. Not only in big cities, but also in the countryside. Although socialism was holly shit.
@jlszala
@jlszala 12 лет назад
Thanks for the video. May I ask, where, that is in what city, was the hotel Bohemia?
@martinskacel7614
@martinskacel7614 2 года назад
Ústí nad Labem neboli Aussig.
@jj9749
@jj9749 4 года назад
Fascinating video. I was there in 1989 for the first time - while it was very interesting there's no doubt that it is a much better place to live now.
@barron8006
@barron8006 4 года назад
That's what happens when the bosses of germany send all of the industry over for lower wages.
@marketavojtiskova6525
@marketavojtiskova6525 5 лет назад
01:25 - 02:10 Litoměřice ( Leitmeritz ) :-))
@barron8006
@barron8006 4 года назад
It doesn't look that bad. Also, it appears you are in the rural area.
@tylerbozinovski4624
@tylerbozinovski4624 3 года назад
That's because the living standards were very high prior to the late 1930s.
@BlitzOfTheReich
@BlitzOfTheReich 5 лет назад
The communists commenting today are literally so naive. I live in Brno a lovely city.
@tylerbozinovski4624
@tylerbozinovski4624 3 года назад
Yet your profile picture depicts Konstantin Rokossovsky. Also, Brno/Brünn is infamous for a post-WWII death march (just saying). Btw, just to verify, I'm not a Nazi (I hate them, and I'm actually a Slav myself).
@BlitzOfTheReich
@BlitzOfTheReich 3 года назад
The Prussian Commie Slayer I have him because of his military exploits not because of his ideology. He was beaten to shit during the great purges. And yes I know about the Brno death march but it pales in comparison to other horrors.
@swespeedy1
@swespeedy1 10 лет назад
btw Michael, your impression was right, there were years of decay.. only old commie lovers (like kaotikdreamer), who can't look after themselves still praises those times. But what a beautiful country Czech republic is now!
@peterk.5809
@peterk.5809 10 лет назад
Really, are you insane? There were many things wrong with the communist regime, but there is nothing wright with what replaced it. At least back then Praha was place for Czechs to live as oppose to scummy circus to rip of tourists.
@jigsawmuzak
@jigsawmuzak 6 лет назад
And what does it have to do with communism or not?
@benymmjohanson1267
@benymmjohanson1267 3 года назад
Doby kdy ještě Česko nebyla Ukrajina a Karlovy vary po pravdě Ruské Vary.
@henryglarsson2635
@henryglarsson2635 6 лет назад
It looks nice there, food in the shops, people busy, happy. Dreadful place now
@boutek
@boutek 5 лет назад
How is it "dreadful" now?
@77funtomas
@77funtomas 4 года назад
Can I ask, why are using a picture of young Josef Stalin?
@honzajan8108
@honzajan8108 Год назад
Zajimave, dekuji za nahrani
@janfechtner5223
@janfechtner5223 6 месяцев назад
American primitives and consumer society are not able find wealth in free helath and social care for all people, cheap living without stress and hard work for all people, without drugs and dependence on money and bussines.State owned buildings were ruined, priority in Czechoslovakia was other, Family, children, life its not really now.
@janfechtner5223
@janfechtner5223 6 месяцев назад
It's not yet
@janfechtner5223
@janfechtner5223 6 месяцев назад
Many things was wrong, but not all was bad, I would like a lot of things take back, but it is not yet possible
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 13 лет назад
@kaotikdreamer Well, my impression was quite different!
@user-to1vo8oo9u
@user-to1vo8oo9u 6 месяцев назад
I visited Czechoslovakia in August 1986. I landed in Frankfurt, got a rental car then drove to Prague from Frankfurt through Nurnberg. Then crossed the border into Czechoslovakia from Bavaria via Furth im Wald then to Folmava on the Czech side of the border. In Czechoslovakia from Folmava to Prague via Plzen. There were no cars on the road in late afternoon in Czechoslovakia and most of the traffic lights in Czechoslovakia at that time (even in Prague) had limited function with yellow amber lights flashing for the arterial road traffic and flashing red lights for side street traffic (whatever little there was of it). Street signs were faded most of the time, but the roads in reasonably good condition. For the most part the buildings were often covered with dirt from the belching smoking Trabant and cars common at that time. Food was basic and wholesome. But I did have a nice roast goose dinner at Hotel Alcron at that time. During the 1986 visit to Czechoslovakia, I ended up going to Prague, Terezin, Brno, and Bratislava. I also visited the region again in 2017. In 2017, still charming, but overall, thank goodness communism ended. I am glad that I good to see first hand Communist Czechoslovakia versus the way the region ended up evolving after 1989.
@tigroussibirak8006
@tigroussibirak8006 3 месяца назад
This is really a bunch of nonsense. You obviously confused something with North Korea and something with American propaganda. You really only know how to lie.
@jeremyhaines3847
@jeremyhaines3847 2 года назад
I went to Czechoslovakia when it communist in 1985
@sirkermitthefirstoffrogeth9622
How was it sir?
@martinskacel7614
@martinskacel7614 Год назад
Ústí nad Labem hotel Bohemia.
@balbinopilsen
@balbinopilsen Год назад
Já ❤Czechoslowakia
@vespaUK125
@vespaUK125 12 лет назад
Were you allowed to travel around unescorted and unrestricted ?
@letecmig
@letecmig 5 лет назад
yes,no problem with that in Czechoslovakia during the commie times.
@letecmig
@letecmig 5 лет назад
During that year my family managed to get 'exit visa' to west germany(as a Czech citizen, you needed permission from the government to travel OUTSIDE:))- I liked it in West Germany, it was all fine, but I was not super-impressed. BUT when we were crossing the border back to Czechoslovakia, it all came down on me: the non-maintenance of everything, the roads, deteriorating buildings,economic decline.... ...all these things that seemed a 'NORM' before were now punching me into the face! I felt so sorry for my country- really ashamed- I was thinking- "what the commies did to this country during the 40 years??" I was literally in shock!
@elpapichulo4046
@elpapichulo4046 2 года назад
You do know that the reason west germany looked like that was because of the marshall plan right...
@Sardiatae
@Sardiatae 4 года назад
Bosnia 2019
@svetluska6010
@svetluska6010 10 месяцев назад
Nice except for the music. That is completely irrelevant
@steve-oh4342
@steve-oh4342 Год назад
in trying to understand, it is genuinely fascinating to see people pushing for communism today, especially in a place like this that already lived through it and know what it's actually like. Genuinely curious as to what the appeal is compared to the current government and economic system?
@jlszala
@jlszala 12 лет назад
@JNathanK2011
@MrBeeMAD
@MrBeeMAD 2 года назад
Das ich gud
@kaotikdreamer
@kaotikdreamer 13 лет назад
@MichaelRogge your impression was wrong
@romelianfashion4359
@romelianfashion4359 6 лет назад
It was a good life during communism in the Czech
@michaelijsbrand
@michaelijsbrand 6 лет назад
It didn't look so.
@Morgenstern1914
@Morgenstern1914 5 лет назад
It wasnt that good. For example kids were instructed not to talk about things they heard at home in school, because othervise the parents would lose their jobs. Not to mention the lack of toilet paper time to time. :-)
@janfrosty3392
@janfrosty3392 3 года назад
And like The South the Communism will raise again, look at China immeasurably superior to decaying Western capitalisms.
@idkmyname7211
@idkmyname7211 3 года назад
@@janfrosty3392 China isn't really a communist country anymore
@janfrosty3392
@janfrosty3392 3 года назад
@@idkmyname7211 Must be Communist, all the great Imperialist western countries say so and that is why want to destroy them.
@tylerbozinovski4624
@tylerbozinovski4624 3 года назад
Communism and the ethnic cleansing of the Sudeten Germans really managed to ruin the Czech(oslovak) economy.
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