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I hated this movie which was disappointing because I loved the first one. The movie stopped dead in its tracks when the family leaves, and that didn't solve anything and left the old tribe to die. Not to mention the psychopath teenagers of the water tribe that tried to kill the boy. This movie was a waste of potential, sacrificed for water cgi.
@@asarhh They filmed the second and third movie at the same time. Now it is just a matter of post-production, which is a lot, especially for a nearly all CGI movie. The movie release date is set for December 20, 2024.
Her wailing was so annoying tfym, I hate everytime she makes those grating sounds. Its like an animal screeching and it makes me want to see her get put down already lol
I went to the cinema and watched this in 3D. I was sitting with my mouth open the entire time. Fun fact : They made a new underwater camera just for the movie 🎬
Yeah that's why it took so long for this movie to come out, because they didn't had the technology back then. They literally had to invent new cameras to do this all underwater.
Traditionally, performance capture is done with Infrared tracking, but water is really good at blocking IR light. So they had to develop all new tracking tech that used ultraviolet light instead. They then had the problem that even tiny bubbles can break up the tracking too much, so the whole crew had to learn how to "free dive", not just the cast, so they didn't need to use Scuba gear that would have caused too many bubbles.
I was so sad that Neyteyam died because he was constantly pressured to be the big brother and to be responsible for his siblings and always tried to make hia dad proud and he never got to prove to his dad that he could . He died protecting his brother meaning he never stopped looking out for his younger siblings but its still so sad that he never got to be more. I understand that they needed a harsh reality to make them realize that they cant keep running but still😢
Same. That whole sequence just shattered my heart. He died protecting his brother and I also feel so bad for lo'ak because he's the ine that made neteyam go back for spider. I've cried each time uve rewatched it
Neyteyam was rly a relatable character for me. Father died when i was 6 so had always had to be the semi dad and take care and responsability… rip Neyteyam. Can’t wait for Avatar 3!
The whole Spider and Quarritch situation actually makes sense when you realize that they actually spent months together between when he was captured and when they found the Sullys. It was cut from the film for time
It also makes sense somewhat throughout because Spider was threatened with going back to the lab to undergo the torture/memory acquisition thing again. It was an ultimatum to go with the Avatars or be subjected to that again.
It wasn't so much cut as it wasn't outiright stated. We can see how much time goes by, by how much Ronal's pregnancy advances from the first time we see her to the last battle
Loved watching your reaction as always! I thought the movie was absolutely incredible and I was shouting at the screen at the all the things you guys did lol I actually think that I enjoyed this one even more than the first which is saying something because the first one is incredible! I wish i had seen it in the cinema too, it would have been amazing!
1:21:53 - I don't think there is a father to Kiri, I felt like she might be a reincarnation. When they tried to transfer Grace into her Avatar, she didn't make it. But she had to go through Eywa, and Mo’at (the spiritual leader) said "she's with Eywa now". And I kinda wanna believe, that Eywa wanted Grace to live and just birthed her all new. That is why she has such a special connection to the whole environment. She is Eywa's child. That's at least my interpretation 😄
Considering that she was also the only one to have a direct conversation with a deceased person rather than reliving a memory... Remember that she never got to meet her mother, the others were put back into a fond memory of the son when he was younger. The scene of Kiri talking with Grace is something that never happened. The reincarnation thing would be interesting, especially given that things went normally until she directly asked who her father was. That's when it fell apart on itself and she began seizing. Also it seems to fit with the "All energy is only borrowed" belief. During that attempt at the transfer, Grace's energy could have been given back to a new life
You guys discussed at the beginning the differences between the metkayina (water people) and the omatikaya (forest people). I don't know if you guys noticed it, but a cool detail Cameron added was the water people's 2nd eyelids to protect their eyes underwater. If you rewind back and slow a scene down, you can see it good. Especially in the scene where the Sully's first show up and Reya (chiefs daughter) comes out of the water. The more you go back the more detail you notice, its awesome.
I love this sequel with all my heart it’s visually stunning, classic story of family, war, inner conflicts, different people trying to fit in with discrimination, prejudice, and living up to expectations. Jake has grown becoming more mature, strategic, and a caring father he may be a bit strict and gruff but cares deeply. Neytirei still badass as ever and being a mother bear just adds to her character even more. The kids were all great in their roles and how they played off each other. Neteyam being the responsible big brother, loak being the rebellious teen that is the embodiment of what his father was back years ago, kiri the gifted yet witty and tomboyish child who helps however she can, tuktirey being the adorable youngest always staying by the others being supportive and affectionate, and spider being the outcast who just wants to be accepted and loved by the sully family who was conflicted with his human side. Quaritch still being evil to some extent but definitely grew to care for his son showing he does have a heart. Neteyam dying was so heartbreaking to see and if you looked closely he was always in the background looking after his siblings showing how great of a character he is. So glad you guys enjoyed the movie you guys are great.😁👍😎🎥👏
I understand Spider, poor guy never belonged anywhere. The scientists are taking care of him, but none of them appeared as a parental figure. And the Na'vi, who treated him like family are still very different from him and many see him as an alien. So to feel close enough to this dad clone to safe his life seems understandable.
Another detail I like with the aquatic Na'vi's biology is that their chests are bigger than the land Na'vi's, which makes sense because they have better lung capacity and how they can hold their breaths longer.
Also my thoughts on Spider "coming around to his old man": I saw him as, yes, growing closer to Quaritch with time, but he certainly had the goal of teaching his father the ways of the Na'vi, maybe hoping beyond hope that it would change the man he was. Also, he never was truly accepted by the Sullys. Jake was fine with him, Neytiri didn't acknowledge his existence, but the kids all were like fellow siblings to him, especially Kiri (fellow outcast/freak). So without having any real parental figures to look up to and be accepted by, seeing Quaritch actually listen to him and learn from him probably meant A LOT. But of course, he is just as torn on the matter as Quaritch is. He saves him, but then dips, just as Quaritch *finally* acknowledges that Spider is his SON.
I think it also is a matter of honor. As crappy as he was, Q likely saved Spider's sanity and probably his life by taking him out of the lab. Spider knows this and although he despises Q's brutally to the Na'vi and ultimately chooses the Sullys, he may have felt the need to repay that debt.
And they spent a while together. If you look at the chieftess you can see she has a flat belly but, then you look on later (the seizure scene) you can see she is later in her pregnancy.
@@pearldoug4277 Yeah, several months have passed for sure. So this connection didn't just happen overnight. I do appreciate that the movie has a lot of "show don't tell" moments, and that includes using Ronal's pregnancy to indicate the passage of time.
Honestly I feel so bad for Spider. He had no place at all among pretty much all the people he shared the planet with. It felt like the all kind of treated him like shit except for Kiri. I understand everything he went through, and I even understand the inner conflict he would be feeling, to save his father(ish) from death, but not follow him
Saw both the original Avatar and Way of Water in 3D in theaters! Was such an awe inspiring experience!!! I really loved how at the end, it was the kids who came through to save their parents. THEY were the ones who were really adapting to life in the sea; a little nod to the fact that kids are remarkably quick to adapt to change and embrace new things I think. I know Spider saving the Quaritch is a thing that a lot of people say was stupid, but I think it fits. I believe that Neytiri would have 100% killed Spider had Quaritch not stopped her. A life for a life
It's so easy to forget during the Na'vi only scenes just how big they are until you see them grab a human by the head with a hand that's bigger that the entire human head or shoot them with an arrow that's the size of an entire human body (and that's not even considering the extremely potent poison they coat the arrows in...)
I love that you are so dedicated to the channel that you didn’t watch this in theaters and kept it for us! As much as it is exciting watching you guys experience the film for the first time, I do wish you experienced this in 3D, because it was unlike anything. The moment they jump into the water, everything changes, the water itself had depth and the creatures are beautiful. It was hypnotizing. So I think it’ll be okay if you guys watch the next one in theaters. We want that for you! Because the film is meant to be watched like that. If this is still in theaters, definitely give it a try. 👍
@@KiRiTO72987the high frame rate in Dolby messed me up the first time, came out with a crazy headache. But it didn’t stop me from returning for a second time 😂😂 and surprisingly I didn’t get a headache the second time.
I was thinking the same thing. The guy with the Hogwarts scarf loved the movie but was so bummed the whole time that he wasn't watching it on a huge screen. I know this is a while later now, but I hope afterward he was able to search around and find a big screen still showing the movie. Even if it's not 3d, a movie of this scale still deserves to be seen on a giant screen in a pitch dark room with surround sound
And Lo'ak was trying to live up to the perfect standard Neteyam set, who in turn was trying to live up to Jake. In the End, Jake consistently pushing Neteyam into the role of the golden child and co-parent is what cost him his life. From a psychological perspective, Lo'ak was just trying his best to get his father's attention and praise just as he does with Neteyam. So he makes rash, irrational decisions. On top, Jake was seen as this great brave warrior, so both his sons tried doing exactly that. Though they were also just trying to save Spider because he's their friend.
I couldn't really connect with this movie but the scene where they're killing the tulkun was so hard to watch, I just couldn't stop crying I was so damn angry. I watched this movie twice in cinemas and I cried both times with that scene, horrible. Even a dude that was sitting next to me asked me if I was okay😅
Oak im so sorry you didn't get to see this in the cinema. I REALLY hope you get too, especially in 3D. I love the Avatar films. They are so beautiful and so immersive. Avatar was my Dad's favourite film and he died unexpectedly just before this one was released. It breaks my heart that he didn't get to see it because he would have been absolutely blown away and filled with joy by it❤️
I am still totally heartbroken everytime i see the tulkan hunting scenes 😢 why is our species just so awful… humans would 100% take over another planet and kill everything, ruin everything; even peaceful sentient creatures 🙁 we never seem to evolve. I remember when the first movie came out, some people became so depressed, some even hurt themselves. i think seeing the Na’vi people and how they live in harmony and balance with their world, their spiritual connections, the kind of simple, beautiful lives they generally lead, is why so many people fell in love with the movies. People wished that our world could be like that (that humans were not so sh*tty!)
The Kiri dad stuff we can actually take at face value. She was an immaculate conception, you talk about familiar stories and tropes, I think she is literally a christlike figure. Her "dad" is Eywa, an actual child of "God", immaculately concieved by Eywa, a virgin birth to get firsthand experience of the world and to perform miracles, and probably sacrifice herself to save everyone at the end. Especially as this is exactly what her mom was studying and her mom had a special connection to Eywa.
Everything James Cameron touches turns to gold….I enjoyed this film more than the original andirons didn’t feel like 3 hours to me……..I can’t wait till Avatar 3
I think bringing the bad guy back (and establishing that clones in that way are possible) sets up sooo many interesting possibilities for the next movie(s)!
Not only that, but the way they established that the clone is not the same person as Quaritch makes him so much more likable because he's able to make his own choices, which, like you said, sets up a lot of possibilities!
@@Ultimaniacx4 Yes and no. He has the memories, but he makes choices that the human Quaritch would never do, like save his son's life, even though his son doesn't give him any benefits. The reason why he is able to do this is because he has different experiences from the human Quaritch. We base who we are off of our experiences, which is why Quaritch is bound to be a very interesting character later on.
@@Kingdom_Of_Dreams That's just elaborating on what I said, he's the same person up to a point. Also, you don't know if he wouldn't have saved his son in the original, he was never given that choice in that story. Remember, he had a real "marines take care of our own" mentality. He was willing to have Jake's legs restoration completely funded in return for his help in the mission. Think about it, the mind copy they put in his avatar knew who the boy was. That means they copied his mind some time after he was born, and they couldn't send the boy back to Earth because they couldn't put babies in cryo. All that means there wasn't much time between when they copied his mind and the man at the end of the first movie. It's impossible to know how different the short amount of time changed the original him up to that finale, and that means it's impossible to know if he wouldn't have made the same decision.
I saw this with the real motion chairs, so all the water scene's you were swaying with the way they are swimming and with camera movement, it was SO immersive, loved it.
3:44 Oak: Imagine how long it's gonna take to set-up a permiter Ryan George, recording a pitch meeting: Actually it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience
If you guys can find a theater still screening this in 3D then i highly recommend watchung it. I watched this in 3D nine times and I loved every single viewing! I've watched it a further 4 times since it began streaming. Always amazed at the world building imagination of James Cameron. He might not write the best scripts but he sure knows how to tell a story. What really blew me away the first few times I watched this is just how amazing the CGI water looks. I really cannot wait until Avatar 3 is released in December of next year. The original was re-released 2 months before this one was released and I watched that again 2 twice after watching it 10 times when it came out. Definitely recommend you guys watch Avatar 3 in 3D on the biggest screen you can find when it comes out next year. You'll be absolutely amazed at the difference watching these Avatar movies in 3D. It loses its impact in standard 2D screens. Still looks good but not as great and amazing as the 3D format it was filmed in and intended to be viewed in.
I didn't think it was possible to outdo the first one, story wise, but I was wrong. My heart broke when the oldest son died. I felt that, as a mother of a young man. Kiri intrigues me. I hope we figure out who her father is. Or maybe it's supposed to be miracle birth, conceived through Eywa when they tried to get Grace to switch to her avatar body after she was shot.
My theory was that Kiri is the reincarnation of Eywa that’s why she’s so connected to nature and can easily adapt to it and I think she may be the one to bring Nateyam back in the next movie but I’m probably wrong
Oak went as silent as I did with less tears... that scene with his son at the end messes me up more than almost any scene in film or TV. Beautiful film making
I understand that mother beast mode... And Kiri has no father she has essentially two mothers Grace and the great mother Eywa that's why she's able to connect with animals and the forest!! Just like Anakin Skywalker was allegedly conceived by the force itself and it's midichlorians!!! In the next avatar somehow they end up having to visit earth I love these movies!! And Dave saying I don't think you bird can swim 😂
I was too young to see the original in theater, but my mom bought avatar on DVD and as a kid we would always watch it as a family. When avatar 2 came out my mom and my brother were super excited, and we saw it in 3-D and it was the most amazing experience.
Probably my favorite Blockbuster in the last 10 years. This was the first time in my life I have ever watched a movie 2 times in theaters and I loved every second of it ^^
Me and my girlfriend loved it! Luckily we watched it in theater and it was breathtaking. We both think that this is actually a better movie than the first one but that completely depends on the person. The least you can say is that this movie didn't disappoint one bit! TBH I thought this movie would be really bad, first one was so good that it would be impossible to live up the expectations but hey... I've never been this wrong in my life.
The first movie was in 2154. Also, Ronal, the Tsahìk and wife of tribe leader, Tonowari, is Kate Winslet. I probably would have never of known if I hadn't watched all the behind the scenes and such.
Glad you liked it, great reaction. Some of my thoughts -About the military dad. I kinda understand why he acted that way. They were hunted, he had to keep his kuds under control, it was life or death so he acted the best way he knew how to protect them. Notice at the start how relaxed he was before the sky people came. -Some hypothedize that the bad guy will have a refemption ark. I will hate it if that happens. I want him dead -It is confirmed that avatar 3 will feature an aggressive race if navi -It seems that the kids, mostly Loak and Kiri as set up to be the main characters if the next movies, and kiri's connection to the goddess will be more explored (hypothesy is that he "dad"" is the goddess herself, Grace's avatar became pregnant from the goddess when she connected to her at the end of her life -avatar 3 is already in the works -about the story not being ground-breaking: I heard a saying that all stories have already been told, it's the way you say it that matters. - about not harvesting the entire way: It is done in real life too. Look at elephants and rhinos. butchered only for their tusks and horns
As someone who has lost their older brother a few years ago and at the start of this year being there with my father passed on our farm, this movie hit me and my mother HARD in theaters. We went with 2 family friends and we were up from our seats, rocking and balling in knowing the loss in this movie but also happiness seeing that Neteyam still has connections with Jake and Neytiri through Ewya. This series has a special place in my heart story wise and in its beauty.
fun- ish fact: they had to set up help lines for people depressed to go back to the real world after watching the first movie, it was that visually stunning!
1:05:40 "Lets take some of that drama with Leo and Kate and put it in here"......Oak. Funny thing is that Kate is in this movie. Shes the pregnant woman, the war chiefs wife.....LOOOL
When the first Avatar movie came out, I wanted to go see it so bad but everyone I knew was busy. I even offered to buy tickets and snacks but just couldn't get anyone to go so I decided to just go alone, and it was the best experience ever. saw it in 3D and snuck in burritos and beer. ever since then ill occasionally go out to dinner and a movie by myself. after waiting 13 years a bunch of friends were going to see the second one, I declined and went by myself the next night haha.
I saw this opening day in IMAX 3D and it blew me out of the water (no pun intended). It's a visual masterpiece and the blending of live action with performance captured CG felt like some voodoo magic it's that good.
This was simply incredible at the cinema. Truly a movie made for the big screen. This wasn't just a movie like most are, it was an experience. The visuals, sounds, music, the whole vibe etc was just a total experience like nothing else and i feel so lucky i got to watch it at the cinema. It really is crazy that you don't even notice mostly that it is cgi, especially with the underwater stuff. This Avatar series could really become one of the great movie series of all time imo that is talked about for years. Like a lord of the rings, harry potter etc level of impact
I saw this three times in Imax 3D, it was mesmerising. Pandora never looked more beautiful. Zoe Saldana was amazing, as were all of the artists involved. Disney/Marvel need to up their game.
You guys probably already know by now, but Oak's right about Ilu's sound being similar to dolphin. The Ilu's behavior is based on dolphin, although their body is based more on manta ray fused with Plesiosaur's neck.
It was so funny when you said that it was like Titanic when actually Ronal is played by the one and only Kate Winslet 😁 James Cameron told her that she was going back to the water but in a different way.
Funfact(well actually sas fact but): they deleted a scene from neteyams death because they thought it was too emotional the actor of jake couldn't stop crying on ser
Funniest thing is, in Russia Avatar 2 in my city have been launched in theatres like 4 times already 😂 In winter, in spring and twice this summer and is available to watch for weeks. It's actually amazing how you can rewatch it in theatres for so many times every few months, even though the whole world closed premiers long time ago lmao
Avatar 3 release 2024 December 20: James Cameroon for Avatar 2 the way of water was actually filmed underwater in real life the reason it took so long to release was the technology it had to get advanced so that james could film underwater.
I'm so happy that I got to see this in the theater because it was EPIC! Like the first one, it didn't disappoint! James Cameron knows how to keep us in awe for sure! ❤❤❤
I went to watch this movie in 3d and it was breathtaking. The 3d was also quite subtle but very common allowing you to become completely involved. There were times that I forgot I was even watching a movie because of how beautiful and real it felt!
3:04 now idea if I understood you correctly, but that's not that they use English, but just translated it for the audience and make it sound like English from now on. It's all still spoken in Na'vi, except for the obvious parts.
I saw this movie in 4D! Meaning not only were the visuals 3D, but I also experience all the smells, wind, and splashes of water. Truly the best movie watching experience EVER.
I watched this movie twice in theaters, both times in 3D. Because the first time I watched it in 3D, it was so beautiful and captivating, I had to experience it again.
Really looking forward for when you guys get to Avatar The Legend of Korra. The show is actually referred to by fans as Avatar The Legend of Korra similar to Avatar The Last Airbender but the reason it's not called that in promo is due to rights issues because of the James Cameron avatar film that had come out.
I really hope you get to see this in the cinema in 3D in the future. It was breathtaking. Also, all the behind the scenes is so fascinating, seeing the motion capture and the cast free diving underwater to film it.
I loved these movies! I saw both of them in theaters in 3D!! Was great to bring my older children with me this time to the second one. Fun fact, Kate Winslet plays the water Queen character!! I didn't recognize her and learned after the fact
I have to go out and do errands. But there is an air health warning here in NYC due to the fires those poor folks up in Canada are dealing with, so I'm gonna stay in and watch this with you folks instead. Be well everyone!
When I saw this in the Cinema, I have not being blown away since the first one, so I have on the Edge of my seat 👍 This movie is a Masterpiece, and I enjoyed it the whole time! GREAT reaction boys, as always🤩!
Star Wars, Jurassic Park, The Matrix, Avatar, Inception and Avatar 2. Nothing has blown my mind like these. The new Dune and Maverick are high qualifiers.
Hey guys regarding Spider. Remember spider has never been exposed to truly evil people. He was raised by the environmental scientist and the Navi. There is no reason to think that the cornel being nice to him would be easy for Spider to buy into. Spider is a teenager who has only seen the good in people. That is how I saw it.
I went to Weta workshop and spoke to a woman who designed the jewelry for the sea navi. I'm writing stories for my own universe, not an easy task...hello from New Zealand.
Yes 3D and in iMax 3D too. they had to invent under water versions of the special 3D iMax they invented for the 1st movie. actors had to go through breath training to hold their breath under water up to 10 mins at a time!
Incase you haven’t read about it yet, they filmed both the 2nd and 3rd movies together which means we don’t have to wait forever to see #3 😁👍🏼. It comes out next year which is great, but unfortunately as of now #4 will be in 2026 and #5 in 2028 😫. Also, I highly recommend that you guys watch all of the behind the scenes footage for both movies (preferably in order), actually, I DEMAND it! lol. For real though, you’ll be blown away and have an even deeper appreciation for these movies once you see what it took to make them. For example, James Cameron and Vince Pace (a director of photography & co-founder of their production company "Cameron Pace Group") literally built a new type of camera that digitally shoots in 3D called The Fusion Camera System, which is why it looks so amazing.
This movie was a massive risk for Disney given how expensive they are to make. I'm so glad they committed the money and it worked out, now we get more sequels! :)
Sad Fact tho: Seeing as Kiri has seizures when she connects to the Sacred tree/water thingy of the Metekayina, she can’t see her memories Neteyam again because if she connects to it she could possibly drown
