Vitalik & Noah Smith: Can Authoritarianism Win the 21st Century?

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What if the information anarchy of the internet spells the downfall of liberalism?
Economist Noah Smith and Ethereum Founder Vitalik Buterin join us for a fascinating discussion on why Authoritarianism might be the answer to the current information warfare. Yes, you heard that right.
We start the episode by defining liberalism, how it has brought excessive polarization and why totalitarianism might be the only solution left. We then steelman the case against this same argument and how blockchains and crypto could play a role in all this.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
8:53 Defining Liberalism
21:50 Information Warfare
42:17 Summarizing the Argument
55:09 Could the Thesis be Wrong?
1:11:12 Information Leviathans
1:34:13 The Role of Blockchains
1:38:22 Closing & Disclaimers
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RESOURCES
Vitalik Buterin
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Noah Smith
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Noahpinion Blog
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@Bankless 3 дня назад

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@auntlynnonline6206 3 дня назад

As an older (62) person, I think the thing that gives me the greatest concern is watching the erosion of our privacy. I am worried for you younger people. ✨💖✨

@MikeWoot65 3 дня назад

* comment has been flagged for penalty * loll jkjk

@auntlynnonline6206 3 дня назад

@@MikeWoot65 😂

@rationalevidence9095 5 часов назад

it's not erosion, it's surrender. The generation that is taught to not care is the one that is defeated. If people raised their own children instead of letting authoritarian governments indoctrinate them in daytime elementary prisons--i mean schools.... we wouldn't have generations of sheep.

@zeldarogene 3 дня назад

Coinbase, OKX and Binance will list xAIGK very soon. We do not have much time left

@samsonjoshua62 3 дня назад

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@VictoriaJohnson-dq7om 3 дня назад

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@nikhilgaming8928 3 дня назад

THis will change the world of cryptocurrency

@Rumivlogs-wi3gy 3 дня назад

lets PUMP this to the sky guys!!

@MAster--X-zp7vd 3 дня назад

When the world knows this, we already x50 🚀

@debprasadnaskar8027 3 дня назад

I am counting on xAIGK. It will be on the TOP 5

@shailendratiwari8879 3 дня назад

thanks for sharing, I just bought it

@Western_TV 3 дня назад

surprised Noah kept his hat at that exact position for the entire video 😅

@brentbernard 3 дня назад

100 what i was thinking. He must have meant that swag

@swylie2010 3 дня назад

I've been saying for years: we just to need to pick a direction. This episode reminds me of that. It's not just that we're floundering because it takes us longer to decide, it's that allies as well as enemies are proactively using information to keep us off balance. My only hope is that we're the bleeding edge of this conflict. Nature always finds a balance, which implies we will evolve first, ahead of the authoritarians. The next few generations will grow inside this tension and they will either develop immunity or we will all be lost. Also, it follows that the arguments here are why blockchain technology is the most dangerous technology maybe ever, more dangerous than even AI. But, possibly, also the most liberal ever.

@IRLC 3 дня назад

That feeling you have that we just need to pick a direction is actually the feeling that pushes you towards selecting a dictator over freedom. Not saying I don’t relate, but it’s not the sign you follow. It’s the warning sign you read and stop before going off a cliff.

@Robyn-Hood 3 дня назад

Thank you!! Vitalik is in a very cool place with the Jail bars love it!!

@brady7991 12 часов назад

Glad you mentioned "I Pencil" in the discussion of markets and information. It was written by Leonard Read.

@mastertoki1 3 дня назад

So there is basically a lack of filtering or processing truth or the cost of filtering truth has now flipped the cost of producing truth. An authoritarian “my truth” is a lot less complex and therefore faster than the liberal version trying to find the “general truth”. So how do you account for that variable without a dystopian ministry of truth while still being competitive to the authoritarian version? Decentralization could be an option.

@VitaSineLibertatenih 3 дня назад

Human politics, especially international, was, is and will always be constant game of thrones. And in the game of thrones, you win or you die.

@Darthrevan888 3 дня назад

I love Vitalik. Great episode as always ❤

@eddyfreddy4277 3 дня назад

You guys for sure could have removed the background noise from vitalik's audio before posting.

@Cofusedmuch 2 дня назад

Great session!

@sanshuma0 3 дня назад

What a fantastic topic, line-up and the session !! Broadening up the Crypto discourse to these territories is only good taste!

@Bitcoin_Junkie 2 дня назад

It’s conversations like this that make me pivot more and more toward the bitcoin camp. That rant on inflation missed the mark. Too bad Breedlove wasn’t brought into this discussion.

@sharkonland36 3 дня назад

Cartesi For The Win

@yoyoitsme 3 дня назад

Turns out I agree with Noah on a lot of things. Great episode lads.

@telotawa 3 дня назад

fukuyama was obviously wrong - technological change will always lead to fundamental changes in politics, and we need to keep fighting to ensure that whatever comes next is still free enough, if not freer markets will one day be either obsolete or unrecognizable (i.e. just exchanging of energy and raw matter) as automation makes fewer and fewer things scarce - either we should accept that some things are limitless now (like allowing free copying of information), or the alternative is violently enforcing scarcity (like sending people to prison for piracy - which is just sharing numbers) which one is more freedom-preserving?

@TheCodeman599 3 дня назад

Wake up babe, new Vitalik just dropped

@ianfalconer2215 3 дня назад

in the end low cost wins (o and lots of drones which are low cost)

@ignatzly 3 дня назад

Yay V.!

@caffeinej2691 3 дня назад

Vitalik!

@stanislav5262 3 дня назад

there's a lot of "inernet"

@whismura 3 дня назад

Hello. Did you read Homo Deus by Harari?

@validatorETH 2 дня назад

@aminbusiness3139 20 часов назад

This was just a straight Yap-Sesh

@Rawsavon 3 дня назад

Remember when we used to get crypto alpha on Bankless? ...yeah, those were good times.

@mariacristinaarezzi 3 дня назад

@trenthansen68 2 дня назад

In Noah's hypothesis, authoritarianism wins on merit... so all this 'i hope it doesn't happen' is kind of a non sequitur

@denissuslov День назад

Who is this guy

@John-ie3mr 3 дня назад

Is.. is Vitalik dead?

@timperry8428 3 дня назад

"Ryan sean adams" 😂

@rbcgenesyslab 2 дня назад

You should stick to ETH...

@Crypto_Bird 3 дня назад

Why does Vitalik look like he's in Jail?

@modelmark 3 дня назад

Oh no, it takes hard work to convince investors to invest in long term projects. In China the central planner invests with his subject's money. This is a feature not a bug. Central planners make horrible investment decisions because they stole the money.

@shelbiedo 3 дня назад

Why everyone is talking about xAIGK?

@AlgoNudger 3 дня назад

Authoritarianism = Orwellian + Technofeudalism? 🤭

@swarahiwalani 3 дня назад

I am sure that xAIGK will go 100x just like you said

@stanislav5262 3 дня назад

vitalik likes russian letters йя

@Digitaldgen-yi3qk 3 дня назад

why dont eth devs and community spend time creating product market fit instead of wasting brain power on rubbish. Decentralisation is priority, but at the same time applaud and push the ETF?? ETH community are confused and going through identity crisis. Is all this to replace the deflationary catalyst that has now been squashed? ETH is moving in the same direction as Cardano now....really not sure this will end well.

@marlonjones.bullsondablock3145 3 дня назад

Don't forget the push for OFAC complaint ETH blocks and the lack of push back on privacy tools being shut down like tornado cash....most are in crypto.for the 10x fiat gains and care little about freedom and privacy preservation......IMO mankind needs to suffer hard for 100 yrs so that the globe learns to value freedom in the 22 or 23 century

@sannej 3 дня назад

This rubbish is what arguably led to decentralized money systems in the first place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Digitaldgen-yi3qk 3 дня назад

@@sannej more often than not the first movers into a space as get it wrong...as ethereum has...so Solana has capitalised and continues to capitalise of all ethereums mistakes

@Digitaldgen-yi3qk 3 дня назад

@@sannej and its the furthest thing from money for crying out load. How can any type of business financially operate on a currency that dumps or or pumps up to 30% in a matter of hours...your insane if you think that is possible

@sannej 3 дня назад

@@Digitaldgen-yi3qk Solana is build upon the code of others but made different trade offs. It is all part of the journey that started with a grand idea. I am but a dim wit. All I know is that when computer science problems get solved it changes the world; and I am all here for it.

@Duriel1000 2 дня назад

Dude blindly believes in liberalism, and no one even knows what it means. You cant make this shit up lol

@osmundvaidehi 3 дня назад

My investment portfolios are Bitcoin, ETH and xAIGK

@daxion9416 3 дня назад

Is Vitalik in Jail?😂

@tayladau 3 дня назад

It is funny that not everyone knows about xAIGK

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