Of all the places for Renee's voice to crack, "she'd be lying" is the perfect spot. It adds a bit of extra sadness, or even desperation, to the line that wouldn't otherwise be there (even though it would still be an emotional gut punch without it). A perfectly happy accident.
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The nasally quality definitely does push Eliza's character a few years back in age so that even though they dont look a different age on stage, in a way they sound like it.
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It's not about the quick pace, one was a very lighthearted song sung by a girl that was still very naïve and full of joy and expectations. This one is more sad and feeling very sorry for herself. Whoever gave you that excuse before was not doing Philippa any favors. It's a different kind of song, so she was applying a different type of voice to it. We can't compare it to what Renee is doing here. Like I wrote earlier, react to her singing "burn". You'll hear the difference.
I agree totally...eventhough I think Renee voice is perfection please do not diminish Philippa vocal abilities to that song...especially that particular performance..it was on zoom where the cast were using household items as instruments...
THANK YOUUU!!! different songs, different emotions. For example you can't expect Mariah Carey singing a ballad song like hero with her usual whisper-like r&b-esque voice, she changes her voice quality and tone to match the setting and feel of the song!
I do plan on reviewing BURN very soon. I also understand about the character difference, however I still stand by saying that I didn't like the jaw tension in Phillipa's performance from the last video. Perhaps the broadway version of it would sound different. I only react to what I see in each particular video 🙂
@@MAA1176 She also reacted to the zoom cover. Maybe she could go back and watch the theater version and see how she feels ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DRcC_COfWrI.html She sounds differently on stage than in zoom I think. Still not Renee but not as tinny
Not sure who said Phillipa's style was because of the quick pace of the song. Her character, Eliza, is meant to be young and naive in that scene. Here, Renee's character Angelica is older and more experienced than her younger sister, so it makes sense for her to have that fuller sound. The actors absolutely pay attention to how their voice lends personality to their characters. I'm sure many have recommended Philippa's later song Burn in regards to her specifically, but the other actors do as well. Jasmine Jones' voice as Peggy Schuyler in the song The Schuyler Sisters is worlds away from when she's a different role in Say No To This. Okieriete Onaodowan is so different in Act I vs Act II that it took me a while to realize who he was!
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@@LovedByYou Her observation was completely valid. She noticed this style choice in a previous video, and someone misinformed her of the reasoning behind it. I like her reactions and analysis, but just want to make sure she's not being misinformed since these are blind. If she asks for a reason for something, I'm hoping to provide the right one
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Phillipa was playing a young infatuated character in Helpless...as her character ages her vocals change to reflect her growth.Totally character oriented choice IMO. Several of the actors including Lin do it. Renee as Angelica is pretty much a self assured badass all the way through the show, bur she gets more tender in a small duet with Lin during this song and then you feel her tension and pain which shakes her composure at the end of Satisfied. Phillipa kills on Burn. ❤️ ~✿~❧~🌿~❧~✿~ ❤️
It think the characters also influence the way they sing. Angelica sounds like that because shes the dominant, assertive, independent older sister. Eliza is a more soft hearted, empathetic, forgiving younger sister. So yeah, but nonetheless loved your reactiong. Hope you react to Burn - Philipa Soo (Hamilton)
I agree. Two different characters. One who is portrayed as very confident and one that is more reserved. I think it’s unfair to judge these songs without knowing the entire story.
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Note how, just after she sings “at least I keep his eyes in my life,” the stage starts rotating, and she’s having to move her feet to stay stationary in the middle of the turntable. It’s a masterclass, or as another has said, “How to win a Tony in 5-1/2 minutes.”
When I first saw ranking sites say that Satisfied is the best song in the show, I was surprised. I loved the song but it originally didn’t stand out to me as the best song….the more I listen to it though, I totally get it lol. So much emotion and story and conflict in one song, and Renee is of course amazing!
@@skatasticgal there is nothing that compares to seeing it in person! That, and Eye of the Hurricane are a visual spectacular because of the rotating stage!
I like that you have obvious experience in vocals, but as some others explained there is a lot of character development relayed by the way the cast sings their songs. I feel like you are not completely in the mindset of these being characters and them telling a story. It has been said that nothing in the show is accidental, and that everything has a meaning, the music is a big factor in how the story is told (aside from the vocals). It is obviously perfectly fine to have a preference for the vocal style in Satisfied over Helpless, but to not acknowledge the reasons for the choices, makes your comments come off more as disparaging Philipa Soo for the character choices that were made. It may be a good idea to do a full reaction to the entire musical in one video and then doing individual breakdown videos of the vocal styles in each song, that way you are more well informed and can give your opinion on not just the vocals but what the vocals mean to the story; especially since vocal training is not only how to do certain things but knowing why they are being done.
@JJV1224 True and like I said theres nothing wrong with having a preference, the only slight issue I have is that her opinion seems uninformed because she outright says she hasn't seen the show or watched the entire movie, and didn't address the plethora of "her vocal style is characterization" comments on the helpless video.
@JJV1224 And that's fine. Im not saying she can't have an opinion or a preference. Im just saying that not even acknowledging the main feedback from another video and not trying to broaden her own comprehension of a piece of art she is analyzing (albeit loosely) doesn't lend credence on her expertise in the musical theater corner of music. I was simply giving a suggestion for a possible better way to plan out informed and helpful videos for those who want to learn about the vocals of Hamilton, not trying to force her to change anything.
@JJV1224 I think it does. Being a vocal coach is kind of the hook to her reaction besides it being a Hamilton reaction. She obviously has the knowledge of vocal training and gives good insight on the songs I've seen her react to but she doesn't seem to do much when it comes to the story and how the vocals tell a story on their own. Like I said in my original comment, there are two very basic aspects of vocals in musicals (Hamilton in particular), and that's the How and Why. She does a great job explaining the How but doesn't go into the Why, even though they are always linked, so her reactions and info seem very surface level. Labeling yourself a vocal coach in a video gives a sense of expertise to everything you say about vocals, in the same way Dr Mike can react to a Greys Anatomy episode or Legal Eagle can give commentary on Legally Blonde and their insight can be viewed as a fact or lesson to be learned. The same thing is happening here, which isn't a bad thing, but it just feels like she could delve deeper and make the videos more meaningful and have more information if she at the very least watched the entire movie. The optics of not addressing VERY common comments about these songs in particular and still continuing to make the same statement those comments are referring to can come off as her not caring about the art, the fan base, or her viewers who said it; though I doubt this is the case. All in all, as someone who loves Hamilton, I would love to see more in depth reviews and break downs of these songs from her because she obviously knows what shes talking about and I feel I could actually learn something. I feel that adding the analysis aspect to her videos could set her apart from the other reaction channels and help her in the long run on RU-vid as well. That doesn't mean she will or needs to change anything, I was simply giving suggestions.
Katie Zellers I completely agree with you. Its not like its a song just of a random album, all the songs go together and tell the story and ignoring that just rubs me the wrong way. Especially because its an intentional choice to portray eliza’s personality and her view on the situation vs angelica’s cynicism and hurt and as they develop as people their voices change
Agree it may help to do the whole musical, since a lot of the songs (b/c it’s Lin Manuel’s style) have interconnected themes and phrases and the tones switch up because they match the other song the phrase come from.
this song lies along the same timeline as “winters ball” and “helpless” the two songs prior to this one. this song is angelica saying she will never be satisfied by giving hamilton to eliza, however she did it because she saw how happy she was hence “helpless”. the two songs are extremely different.
Also for a lot of singers in musical theatre, the aim isn't just to perform a perfect vocal performance. They have to change and adapt their voice to portray the story (hence the difference between Phillipa and Renee) and they are also moving around to further tell the story. Sometimes they may change the way they sing so that is no longer a perfectly rounded and polished sound, but rather an amazing vocal performance that has a storyline
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I think a part about the "May You Always" is because she wants to cry but can't so she switches to head to kind of indicate that instead of staying mixed
Here are a few suggestions of Hamilton songs that you could react to: - Wait For It. - The Room Where It Happens. - One Last Time. - Hurricane. - Burn. - It's Quiet Uptown. But, make sure to watch the entire musical before listening to some of these songs. Major spoilers in most of them, mostly It's Quiet Uptown and Burn have spoilers that you would want to avoid before watching the musical fully. (Mainly because the emotional impact is way better watching it entirely for the first time.) I would love to see your opinion on these songs. They are all really good and show a range of emotion and have a lot of different characters throughout them. They are also some of the most story-driven songs.
To be fair you can judge Philippa on the Fallon remote show... which was a fun light hearted..not the actual musical itself where she is singing full out
I like that this song has some slight imperfections in vocals. This is an incredibly emotional song and it makes me believe the performance more when there are imperfections that can be attributed to holding back tears or intense emotion. Reminds me of Anne Hathaway's performance for 'I Dreamed a Dream' when her voice cracked from sheer emotion. But that's a personal preference of mine. It's something I love about live performances.
I saw the show live twice but when I first saw the film and close ups of Renee, those breaks in her voice made me weep. They are intentional and serve a very specific purpose.
I think, personally, it's because of these imperfections that I prefer hearing it live rather than the studio version. It just hits so much harder to have the emotions in tact.
5:14 what they should’ve said is that Eliza is supposed to be more of a suppressed character if that makes any sense? She’s meant to not be put out there as much, which is why Burn is such a big deal because it’s the only time during the whole musical that she see Eliza on stage by herself. I don’t know if this helped clarify anything, I hope it did.
If you liked Renee singing, you should react to her part in 'The Reynolds Phamplet'... she's has a small part in this song that alludes to the lyrics from 'Satisfied', but it's simply amazing!
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The reason I don’t like your response is that, despite many people commented on your channel about her voice that it’s a character choice (for that song specifically) to have a thinner and naive sound, and suggested you to listen to her other Hamilton songs (available many places), you never listened and still keep shading her voice any chance you get. While if Renée singing something something off you were like “oh that might be a character choice”. I am a musician myself, I know bias when I see one.
@@aniseling we should listen to ths RU-vid hack , over the people who hired her in the first place.. So she sings thru her nose? Well u critique thru your ass
@JJV1224 But she is judging a musical character as if it's a pop song. It's disturbing she hasn't watched the entire music and is just picking songs out of context to the story. She is missing themes, motifs and choices the performer makes that has to do with the story.
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Good analysis and I know this is an analysis of the singing, but you didn't respond to what the song was really about - the emotional part of the song: that Angelica is singing about how she gave up Alexander for her sister. This is a total bombshell that is revealed only in this song and I would have loved it if you had responded to that too, if only momentarily. It's what makes the song so heartbreaking, especially the last 'To the groom! To the bride!' part
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I think that nasal thing in “Helpless” might’ve been intentional, if only to serve as a contrast with this song as “Satisfied” is basically a retelling of “Helpless” and the prior song, “A Winter’s Ball,” from the perspective of Renee’s character, Angelica. That’s just my two cents on the matter.
I think this song is genuinely perfect. It perfectly conveys the sorrow and anger that Angelica feels after losing Alexander. Renee does a fantastic job at conveying that emotion without it being said. The tension in her voice is incredible. Truly the best that broadway has to offer
I really enjoyed your video and tips! I will say, Philippa Soo's singing style in Helpless is very indicative of her character just as Renee's. I do understand your notes about both, I just thought I'd add this to the conversation.
Uhhhhh Renee is naturally open because that’s just how ya black folks sing. Especially if she was raised in church....it is quite natural for most all Of us. When we take voice lessons we usually have to be reigned in.
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Fun fact: when you see the stage moving clock wise time is going backwards like in the beginning of the song where it says rewind their going back to helpless the song before so the stage will be moving clock wise then towards the end it’s moving counter clockwise so their not back in the present
This song is a big monster but she…she really is something else. Huge voice, great acting, always on point for the moment. Renee and Jonathan Groff really owned all the others Hamilton’s characters.
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it would be great if you reacted to the version of helpless from the film as it does phillipas voice more justice than the zoom call with the roots, also the visuals are amazing you will notice that the choreography is the same as in satisfied but in reverse as these two songs are back to back! also, i think you would really enjoy reacting to the harmonies in the schuyler sisters, or even better make a series reacting to all the songs in hamilton!! great video :)
I have heard Patti LuPone, Sutton Foster, Jennifer Holliday and Betty Buckley to name a few on stage. I don’t get the hype with Renee. I feel she is a little too vanilla for a song that incorporates hip-hop and soul. Ta’Rea Campbell is my go to on this number.
As someone who seems to enjoy reacting to all the K-pop singers with there small nasal voices, I didn't know you had such a problem with it. What I understood the issue to be with Philippa was that she was using jaw tension to achieve the bright tone, but you didn't mention that at all here. You seem to not like bright voices, which is a shame because I think there's beauty in both bright and dark.
I can understand where it may seem like that, but I actually really like bright voices. A voice can be bright and thin and still sung correctly. Yes I didn't like her jaw tension in the other video. I do believe she can create the same sound without the unneeded jaw tension.
@@Vinguy11 Why insult her just because she doesn't like someone else's tone or technique. it's a discussion. You are attacking her personally. She is not attacking Phillipa personally. Everyone gets to have their opinion on what they like to hear. I don't understand why people can't have conversations without going where you went. And there are plenty of singers who are really good on RU-vid. The music industry is difficult to get into and is not necessarily based on actual singing talent anymore.
I gotta say it feels like you're actively mean here and I like you so I'm incredibly disappointed. I think you're reacting to Soo's response as much as Goldsberry, and I was annoyed enough in the Helpless video, so to see this brought back over and over in this video is so annoying. I hope by a year later you know why it happened and you can lay off, my goodness.
I have to wonder if what you’re noticing between this and Helpless is the difference in experience. Pippa Soo is pretty new in this - fresh out of school. Renée is a seasoned Broadway pro - she’s a classically trained pro with a huge resume, who is known for huge vocal chops. She knows exactly how to wield that weapon, whereas Pippa is still learning how to best use hers.
I think the characters voices in time change in time with story. Alexander's voice is meek in the beginning, Aaron's voice is sketchy in the beginning. Angelica's voice is strong and less conflicted in the beginning. Watching the show in pieces, it's difficult to analyze the voices and get where they are in time with the story. Just my opinion, don't come for me. You are amazing and doing great work. I'm a theater brat so I love you.
If you were wondering about that scene where she wasn’t singing it was actually the choreography for helpless back wards because they’re rewinding to when Eliza met Alexander from angelicas perspective , and if you’re wondering why she sped up it’s because it’s supposed to represent the speed of angelicas mind going 1000 miles a second
Yeah. I realized that later on :) We actually had a Hamilton watch party a few weeks ago as well. We've been doing it for 2 weeks now. You should join us!
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I didn't see your reaction to helpless, but I think the difference between this two performers relates to their character. When I first saw the musical, I saw Eliza (Philippa Soo) more (in a way) shy, reserved and Angelica (Elise) the opposite of her sister, more open. I think that's why Eliza sounds more closed singing her song, and Angelica opens more in her song. I really don't know, it's just the impression I got when I saw the musical 🤷🏽♀️ Loved your reaction to this performance, and love seeing your reaction to little mix as well ❤️
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You'll have to watch the whole musical to understand the slight vocal choices, its not a matter of imcompetence its a matter of character development. Algelica being the confident eldest sister make sense for her to be up and forward while Eliza being the naive overlooked overshadowed little sister is the trusting and kind person who hides behind her sister
yes, if you listen to phillipas other songs she definitely opens up more, it was just the song required a more youthful and naïve toned voice to get her blind happiness across to the audience
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I wish you would watch the entite show first. Satisfied is the reverse of Helpless and I'm sure the two incredibly gifted women singers are singing as instructed. I don't think you're picking on Phillipa Soo but it seems like it since you don't have any information on how the play has been directed. I was going to subscribe but I think you think you're smarter than two Tony nominated/winners and this play and it's creator and director. I can't stand someone who judges without having all pertinent information. We're not going to see eye to eye. Adios.
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