@@TheWhyFiles It's a teenager wishing he could write books, so the young teen made it up. The bathing is different herbs in the baths, that is why it's different colours. It was a con prop to rip people off. Show all the illiterate a book, and pretended that they read so they can rip people off. They say a book once when getting medical advice for their lord. So they faked being a doctor. What do you think? Does this make more sense?
It would also make sense if women wrote it. possibly one of the smartest females of the day who is smart enough to be a doctor, but was scared of being considered a witch
Today I learned that if I had watched this 3 years ago, I would have known I was 3 blocks away from the Vonyich Manuscript. The timing of finding this awesome show. I can't get enough! Thank you for presenting it in such a gently inclusive way. Brilliant!
Lessons learned from this video: - Google translate everything - we should all write gibberish on paper in hopes of intriguing the minds of future cryptopgraphers
There's a Turkish father and son duo who believe a person basically wrote a farmer's almanac in old Turkish. However, the author wasn't exactly literate and had to phonetically spell out the words. So, imagine writing words based on how they sound and not how they're actually spelled. Which makes sense as it has a clear linguistic pattern, but also seems like gibberish. It's the most convincing theory out there.
On a mystery TV show, they claimed that an Artificial Intelligence code breaking computer said it was just gibberish. Certain patterns occur way too often to be any actual language.
Lol this makes me think of that viral video of that lady calling out names at a college graduation ceremony. The names were spelled phonetically for some reason, and the lady didn't know that, so she was pronouncing regular names like Thomas, and Elizabeth, in super weird ways.
I wonder if it's possible to digitize the book entirely and then try to see if an AI can use its linguistic database to try and find either a language that it matches, or at least try to find patterns in the writing; or, failing that, to see if it might be a combination of languages.
You would think that the easiest thing to do would be to start with the star charts, and translate from there first. Unfortunately without a key, to this code, this book is more than likely an interesting paperweight.
This content is two years old and still getting views! Im almost all caught up on your backlog after a video or two on my lunch breaks! Best show on YT bar none and it only gets better! Keep up the hard work, AJ!! ❤u Hecklefish!!!
That’s because it’s the best channel out there! And hopefully you’ve seen his crop circle episode, I tell everyone about that, and that it will change their outlook on life. That episode is just insane.
Whoever wrote that book had the neatest hand writing I have ever seen.What’s even more amazing is when you consider it was done with an inkwell and quill.
Imagine writing your diary in your own fantasy language along with drawing some of the stuff you've dreamt only for people 500 years later to try to decipher it.
This is how I spent about 10 years of my childhood, by scrambling tengwar, cyrillic, and a language my best friend and I had made up. Years later my mom said she spent far too much time trying to read it.
Dude!! If I could research a bunch of topics as well as you've done I'd be VERY proud of myself!! Thanks for doing what you do!! You're really making a difference!!
How does this guy only have 7K subs? Stumbled on this guy when searching for the manuscript and SUBSCRIBED straight away. Hilarious content, very educational, nice atmosphere on the background... Talking fish 😂! You've earned yourself a new fan
@@TheWhyFiles you're welcome! I'm very happy to see a small RU-vidr whit a high production value. My personal tip to grow a bit faster, put content out more frequent! The algorithm loves a channel that's getting views & making very regular content!
@@TheWhyFiles for example, if you have a free day... Record multiple videos, and plan them in! Don't record and then upload... Record a few, and plan them in, so that you always have content releasing every week / 2 weeks!
I wonder if they've considered this book to be the work of an alchemist. In the early days of alchemy, practitioners were known to not only keep detailed journals of their experiments, but also to record them in a secret code language so competitors couldn't steal and duplicate their work. They would form tight-knit pods no more than 4 alchemists in the general area. The small group would each learn the language so they could safely communicate only each other and still keep their research safe. The time frame fits, as does the herbs and flowers illustrated. I think this manuscript may be an alchemist's journal...Not that I can do anything about it. I'm just wondering if any of the super-smart people looked at that angle.
Yes many have considered that. The problem is that no cryptographers have been able to decipher it. A language that could be learned like this needs a pattern else would be impossible to learn. Any pattern the human brain can learn would be decipherable with brute force via computers.
@@Chris-es3wf perhaps they agreed prior to use three different codes throughout the book so none would match? That would be a lot to remember but in those days they had the time to study.
AJ, I love hanging out with you man. Thanks too to the production crew ! I know this vid is old but it just popped up on my feed. Great just the same. Loved it.
New sub as well. I’m 65 yrs and have an old library of...just about everything you cover. This episode reminded me of a book my brother found in 1981. It was 100 years old and called OAHSPE. A "channeling" by Angels through a Dentist in Boston. It is....very interesting. Written in the times of the Ok Corral, it describes nuclear powered anti gravity spaceships, talks of men and Angels, and has chapters written by Thor, Osiris, etc, who all say that "they were once mortals". There is a section on science that is interesting to say the least. My collection.of antique books is extensive, and I've found no other book that was "less verbose" in explaining our purpose. No "Steiner-Blavatsky" nonsense with confusing dialogue, just simple history and future combined. You...cannot read this book "overnight", but I promise you will be intrigued. Those adherents to the dogmatic religions will find this off putting.....but those who are open minded and spiritual will have difficulty putting it down. Thanks for the great show, and I hope someday you could do a number on this...as it has done a number on me. BTW- this is the first mention of the creation of planets and galaxies by centrifugal and frictional force I have seen. "The Dust Devil is the sign of how the planets and galaxies were created, driving the elements to a fiery center"(sic)
@@Jimschrbr I liked that movie. Where did you hear that? I would think it more closely parallels the writings of Zecharia Sitchin in his book "The 12th Planet". He was all about the Sumerian Annunaki mining gold on Earth with humans as slaves to do the heavy lifting.
Just read the Wiki entry on the movie Cowboys and Aliens and I as right (for once). It directly mentions Sitchin- "The aliens were loosely based on the Anunnaki gods of Zecharia Sitchin's interpretation of the Babylonian religion, who have a distinct interest in gold."
Would be a bit sophisticated for a medieval hoax: making up an alphabet, writing random nonsense in it, but keeping it consistent and having statistical features of a natural language. Looks like someone very much knew what he wanted to write.
Really great point, Rudolf. When I think of this as a hoax -- and I'm not fully sure -- I'm thinking more along the lines of: someone had found a way to profit off of this book by inferring, or outright selling, it as more than what it really is. What do you think this is? Legit?
@@TheWhyFiles Could be someone who lived in an area with a different spoken language than he learned as a child. Learned to write, but used his native language. He could have further mangled the words enough to make them only easy to read to him. (there is that trick, that words where the letter position are shuffled can still be read, when reading it quickly ... as long as you are trained in the alphabet that is) The contents might be just a collection of contemporary ideas in astrology, alchemy, herbalism, medicine. Stuff that might have been controversial enough (inquisition and such), to keep it in that cipher. I would not expect some groundbreaking knowledge from it, once its translated. At most, a nice tasting recipe for a tea.
Great video, I saw a tv show last night on this manuscript which brought me here. I wonder if the images were ever given or shown to truly insane people to look at, maybe a rational mind cannot see what an insane mind can. Incredible mystery.
That's true .I was in the presence of a Dalai monki ask what happens when we die 20 min later he shared what he understood..another 20 min went bye then he ask me what I thought happens..I said well my younger brother he banged his head when a child he's not all there a bit insane but he thinks we started as a thought and we end as a thought.?. But like I say a madman 😊
I feel he was trying to describe the micro-verse, or when the beginning was still visible in time through a telescope when everything was still in chaos before order and the elder gods hid it through the big bang
......I'm crazy Yes there is Passion flower in it, And pokeweed (a berry native Americans used for rheumatoid arthritis but today we consider poisonous). The pokeweed leaf displayed in the pages of the Voinich manuscript are incorrect. I know bc this plant is plentiful in my area. I've watched a video that turns the pages of the entire book. However the book in the video is a recreation....so who the hell truly knows. The actual Voinich is in a library in a University in the US or so that video states.
Thank you so much for the great content! I've been binge watching all of your videos over the last few days and am more and more impressed by the work you do. I would love to see longer videos! I am always stunned by how you can out produce shows that are on the History channel, Discovery+ , etc. I've been sharing your channel everywhere and can't wait to see what's next for you.
Agreed. I'd really love a deep dive into a specific topic, though I understand the time and effort required to do so is less than ideal. I guess I'm just selfish that way 😉
Thank you for being a part of our whacky community, Usertttt! (BTW, thank you for for leaving a comment, that definitely helps the algorithm.) You are very much appreciated!
It is nice to finally find a channel that provides interesting stories with some factual content and some good debunking too! I have shared the channel far and wide, fingers crossed we can grow the community and viewership!
You covered this topic better than anyone else. I learned SO MUCH MORE than I had learned before & this is a topic that interests me greatly. I heard one of your writers on Coast to Coast(I was already a sub). Great researchers & great writers & great narrators & great Hecklefish make this channel Super Duper Informative & Entertaining. Immediately took the top spot on my favorites list.❤🎉🐠
He said it was gibberish. Ya i'm impressed with that scientific assessment and evidence. Just because he couldn't figure out what the language is, he concludes it must be nonsense. sure
Of the 25+ videos I've watched now, these were the best asides. You've got a great style and wonderful contact. You're doing great, mate, much appreciated,
One of my favorite things about the newer episodes is when AJ lowers himself on the chair. Can't explain it but it's super geeky and I love it! Maybe because it reminds me of the pneumatic drafting chairs I used back in school. Fun times!
Edward Kelley was in fact a very shady guy. Got fired and had both his ears cut for fraudulent documents. He was the village clerk and some sort of pharmacist or helper. He was an alchemist for Rudolf 2.
I love that he discusses the conspiracy theories, but only presents evidence. He doesn't try to convince you of anything, but lets you draw your own conclusions
I had a chance to view the manuscript while posted in Europe. I was able to decipher it myself using Uralic Finnic and prime factorization. The book is secondary in an exercise of cathartic expression but the primary function was for allegorical translation for an esoteric group whose identity is now lost to history (at least to the public). The book contains without a doubt its share of oddities just based on the source material, but one of the translations I found which was "carry a lazer down the road that you must travel" lends to a more technologically advanced time period or some sort of inestimable (and again) esoteric group quotes.
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That's what I think. Probably a horny medieval teenager invented his own language to lust after naked women and not risk being burned at the stake. Plants were just a diversion "here I am...studying Botanics! Nothing to see..." 😁
Between the illustrations, the structure and time it'd take to construct as well as the fact that not one single error was made on any of the pages makes it highly unlikely to be anything less than a purposeful and well considered work.
What a refreshing program. This needs to be on TV. Way more deserving than a lot of programming on Discovery Plus and other streaming services. Keep up the good work. I award you a big thumbs up.
I recall having a conversation with an old sage once and this book came up. He laughed and said it was nothing particularly special, he told me this : There was once a Saudi Prince that had a harem, the girls he kept were not allowed to speak with each other and the only thing they were allowed was literature. They however devised a way to communicate. Alike pig-Latin, they had a type of secret written formula which they used in this book. The pictures are more a type of graffiti to throw off the guards that would check for messages which would have resulted in a punishment. The writings are more of a shared diary between the women which would be homeopathic remedies for headaches, menstrual cramps/pains and just things they had seen or dreams they had. There is nothing mysterious or magical to be found in it and alike pig-Latin, unless you knew it, there was no dictionary to decipher it. Just thought I'd share what I heard.
I was thinking it was a specialized language from some group, maybe a cult. But your comment makes a lot of sense and answers why there are all the women throughout. Its also truth that harem women were made to be silent. The plants are probably recipes, remedies, and tinctures used in that time. This is the most plausible answer I have found for this enigma. I like it!👍
Hahaha i initially stopped watching these videos because of hecklefish, but i have to admit its growing on me. The joke at 2:40 made me laugh out loud to a point where im pretty sure my neighbours heard me in the middle of the night. Love the vids, keep em coming, much love.
As someone with temporal lobe epilepsy and can have minor visual hallucinations (like Alice in wonderland syndrome) and audible hallucinations (sometimes voice like sounds) are just a drop in the bucket of things the brain can do during a seizure or other types of psychosis. Could the writer have been trying to make their own language? That wouldn’t explain the reasoning behind the drawings and you’d think the writer would have made some sort of translation if the writer ever wanted it passed on and used by the masses. One of the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy is hypergraphia. Also my brain just about makes up its own world before I actually black out. When going into one while reading the letters turn into hieroglyphics. I get Jamais vu and the feeling that I’m someplace I’ve never been or never seen and that there is someone or something that isn’t happy I’m there. I’m usually filled with intense horror and fear. I’ve had a couple of ecstatic seizures though where I felt like I was being pumped full of energy and I was about to figure out the universe and why I’m here all before blacking out. Obviously I’m not trying to push that the writer had a type of epilepsy but more so just a type of psychosis/hypergraphia? Or possibly hypergraphy? I mean someone/people had to create each handwritten language used at some point in history.
The beginning of the text reads as follows in Hannig's interlinear translation: "If Ackersmann groaned about times, who was sitting comfortably in the village, he ate a soup - he got sick after he had stopped digesting." Then the farmer goes to a quack who missed him a misdiagnosis and returns home: "Fearfully he locked the room, the front door too." Nobody would have expected that as the beginning of one of the most famous books in the world. Hannig translates three subsequent short and just as puzzling passages, then the introduction to the water lily picture.
My phone somehow accidently opened your video on RU-vid as I put it down, gotta say I was lucky as your channel is super great and that fish is killing me :D Keep it up and you will be very successful
Really glad i found this channel, very professional, interesting, well put together and all together entertaining! Thought provoking and humorous at the same time.. you are really headed for great things regarding your yt career! Congrats and thanks for the content
Definitely the first part was the funniest I've seen so far You have a great sense of humor And great video You always seem to hold us captive with your way of telling stories
The most possible theory is that this ''encyclopedia'' was written and drawn by young Leonardo Da Vinci during a trip to Africa. It is known that Leonardo would write in Latin, mirrored and sometimes created new words out of two pre-existing words, making the translation very hard. The leather used for the pages match the timeline. Also, I don't think Edward Kelley could have produced this document because he lacked one thing... He wasn't an artist.
can you provide an example of how he used new words and combined them with existing words. I think your theory is plausible because the book survived for so many centuries.
I used to like this theory until I saw some of the drawings. Da vinci would be accurate with ratio and proportions and way more detailed men in his sketches. so nah.
I subscribed at the first video I watched, and am now sucked into binging this channel. I am hooked on your honesty, and humor-to-seriousness ratio. I am especially impressed with the perfect-for-the-moment movie snippets you toss into your video salads. I just hope I'm not up all night now. (In my best deep voiced radio guy imitation, considering I am a medium tone voiced woman: "Damn you, Why Guy!")
I am sure someone somewhere has suggested giving one of these quantum computers a crack at it but I have not heard anything about it. If nothing else it could at least tell us the probability of it ever being decoded. As far as it being a trick that was pulled as you suggested. Seems to me that an extreme amount of thought and time went into its creation and it just does not seem likely to me that they would of put that much effort into it, but who knows. Another great video sir! P.S. - I am nominating you for the Pulitzer prize for dancing so mesmerizing that I have cropped that section and looped it as a separate video and have now missed 6 meals, been awake for 36 hours straight, have begun to pee in bottles and line them around the room (Like Mr, Hughes) for fear of missing something. Outstanding!
You were recommended to me by a friend and I have watched everything on this channel. Best show on RU-vid by far Love it, love you and love Hecklefish ❤️
Voynich manuscript was the inspiration behind one of my short stories. However, I have this tale to tell. Years ago, I had a strange dream that I was singing for someone I knew a beautiful song in an unknown language, which was a mixture of Latin and Arabic. As I finished singing it, this person told me to sing it at their funeral. Three months after this dream this person died suddenly of a rare form of cancer.
I can’t wait till this guy becomes a very successful RU-vidr then I can say I was one of the first view thousand subscribers. Good work my guy keep up this type of good content.
Thanks, Fenix! SO... whenever Hecklefish says something ridiculous, I throw up a random sound effect. This time was ping pong. Another video was bowling. Have an idea for the next video?? I'm open!
Thank so much for the support. And I think you're right about the shrooms. In fact, I talk about this on Joe Rogan episode 807 if you're interested in hearing more theories that Joe and I have about this.
shrooms were used by the norse long before the 15th century. The text looks like it might be of Georgian origin and the order of the books sections remind me of every new age book of witch craft my mother and sister have wasted money on. Its probably just an older version of that. A book on female empowerment, written in code because the owner would have been burnt at the stake.
Everytime I watch one of these videos from you, I never get another one recommended in a row. Same with wendigoon, a person who tackles similar “sketchy” topics. It’s like the system is seasoned to discourage learning about the mysteries people have uncovered. RU-vid’ll just suggest some hullabaloo try and throw me off track lol. You’re doing the lords work, keep bringing the fringe to the forefront sir, it’s appreciated
I heard in another presentation on the manuscript that throughout its many pages of text and illustrations, there is not a single mistake, lined out word, or other indication that a typically error prone human hand was involved in its creation. Even scribes copying things verbatim make mistakes.
Goven the text isn’t understood how would you even know of there was a mistake? And if it was all gibberish then there would never be a need to cross anything out.
Well, not quite. There actually are specific repeated letters that one would want to write correctly-even if just to maintain the illusion of a real language. I still find it wildly impressive that there are no scratch outs or oopsies.
Also looking at page 131 of the manuscript, you realize the inner circle has 12 images while the outer circle has 18 messages, according to biology, from a quick google search, "You're most fertile at the time of ovulation (when an egg is released from your ovaries), which usually occurs 12 to 14 days before your next period starts", from such I can make a mere conclusion that this is all about the right time one can get pregnancy so testing if one is pregnant can be done exactly at this time.
The first thought that came to my mind was that this had to be some sort of book regarding women's menstrual cycles or something of that nature. It could possibly explain the astrology, medicinal, and bath aspects.
Lol...the words written in the botanical section could only be one thing.....the instructions written by the author on what colors to paint it...... Why? The words are the same, for every botanical...... Perhaps the words are set in place to not only instruct the artist how to paint it, but reserve a space for the description of the subject to be inserted later.
I love this channel, I get to learn about new things or new information about things I already have heard of. Plus the dynamic between you two and the movie references are great!
Look, I've had an admittedly brief glance at one or two pages online, and something about the shape of the letters reminds me strongly of mirror writing. Have a quick look at Leonardo Da Vinci's folios and you'll see it!
*My own theory on the Voynich Manuscript* I only recently stumbled onto your channel & the first episode I saw was on the man from Taured & multiverse quantum mechanics. As covered in that episode it is widely accepted today that there are multiple universes that at times can overlap causing slips through their thin spots. I have always believed that this manuscript is from an adjacent universe that found its way into ours. Given the language "doesn't exist" & that most of the plant life depicted doesn't & never has existed suggests to me that a corresponding universe to ours DID/DOES have such language & plant life. I have believed this to be the case since first hearing of this book's existence.
I personally think the guy was just bored and this was his sketchbook😂😂 I play my fair share of video games and I’m what they call an “offline player”. Which means instead of playing online with others, I prefer to play by myself and create entire worlds/storylines in the game. Just like in game you can create entirely new sports teams that never existed, I think that’s what this guy was doing with his sketchbook. Creating his own plants, listing his own thoughts, perhaps even creating his own language along with it.