Vulcans Encounter Shadow Vessel 

True but time isn't the biggest factor in advancement. Humans way surpassed Vulcans rate of advancement thus why Vulcans feared them. Even in real life look at rate of advancement we have made in last 120 years. We know from B5 that shadows advance very slow with little to no advancement from the great war 1,000 years earlier.

Let’s also not forget the force setup here. An Earth Alliance vessel with a squadron of Thunderbolt Starfuries and a squadron of White Star destroyers supporting the Vulcans. EA and Ranger forces, post Shadow War, would have had at least one telepath on board to disrupt Shadow vessels per ship. Also, the B5 universe doesn’t have the benefit of shielding (even the ancient Shadows and Vorlons). So the brute force of hitting it with a photon torpedo would have devastated them.

The Shadows developed space travel a million years earlier, but there is no reason to assume their technology advanced continuously during the millennia that followed. In fact, we know that they spent extensive periods in hibernation in between the times of war. That said, humans and Minbari in B5 developed ships that could almost match the Shadow - and with telepaths aboard could actually beat them. It isn't much of a stretch to think a Vulcan or Starfleet ship could hold its own against a Shadow vessel.

I ..was also going to complain about how slow the Vulcan ships were to retaliate..loosing 3 of 4 ships, before dishing out the force that they should have sooner.. As for the ENTERPRISE, wiping out the SHADDOW ship. It was already worn down by the time she got there. Still, typically, she's sharp and solid enough take it in the face a bit, then adapt for a successful and superior offense. This is a regular thing for the ENTERPRISE D.

The Vulcan are just as old

They were using the Vulcan stream, hyperspace in B5 is red and looks very different.

that would also explain, why the destruction of the gates is so "uneventful". The B5 gates have MASSIVE amount of energy stored and destroying them (as seen in the show) causes a gigantic explosion.

based on the warp drive alternative they were developing for the Federation Pre-Burn?@@SpacialKatana

Perhaps because it's cross universe?

Both!

They are 25 megaton warheads

Shields make all the difference and Trek is using anti-matter warheads. Without shields Trek ships fall as easily as any younger races ships (unless they have ablative armor like Defiant), but shields give Trek ships a window of opportunity to fight back (just not a very big one). Also the Shadow vessel had been weakened by the assault of the other 3 ships, so it couldn't defend itself as effectively as it normally would. Plus Photon Torpedoes are about 30-40 megatons/shot, so they are no joke in terms of fighting power, even against Shadows. For context in B5 a Vree saucer was able to down a Shadow Vessel in a single volley, using it's anti-matter projector cannons, a Photon Torpedo is a more contained version of said weapon, but the end result is similar, just delivered differently.

​@@Keemperor40KFederation starship hulls are reinforced by structural integrity fields and have been shown to be really tough as well

​@@keyboardt8276, that fact obviously didn't help the Enterprise D during Star Trek Generations if you recall.

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Shadows greatest advantage is their overwhelming first strike capability. They can decloak and attack with devastating power at a moments notice and their weapon is devastatingly powerful. Unless you know their capabilities and are prepared beforehand, they will win almost 100% of the time. In Trek's case (and other franchises with shields), if you can activate the shields before the first attack you have a chance to either fight back or retreat, but without said shields, the Shadows will simply destroy nearly any ship that they fight. Even with shields up, the window of counter attack is small, because that beam is no joke and will most likely drain the shields in one or two shots and then you're dead anyways.

@@Keemperor40K Good analysis. Wonder how the shadows would do against an adversary that is nano or swarm like.

​@@marcosargen3729not very well imo given that their ships only have a single main weapon that doesn't seem to fire that quickly

@@keyboardt8276 Weakness found! The Stargate "Ancients'' warship ship with all the drone weapons. Haven't seen that one here yet.

If the Borg were able to somehow assimilate a shadow, heaven help them all. Would be "most interesting" though.

A pont ive been making 1 borg cube would assimilate the entire b5 universe

​@@Spawn-td8bf the Shadow might just counter assimilate them, they are pretty good at subversion

@@torg2126 Now THAT would " be most interesting". And even scarier. Although species " 8472 " terrified the Borg, the Borg being helpless on their own against them, so the shadows may indeed give them a run for their money.

Borg would stand no Chance. While a Shadow Crab Vessel might hold some kind of Technology, its still organic. Same with the Pilot of the Vessel. The Shadows are an extremely strong Force, could compete against Species 8472. Also, the Vessel could just disappear. But even the Shadows or the Vorlons arent the strongest or most advanced. The Third Space Aliens are truly terrifying. All Psychics, with even the very small "Battle Ships" of them might be able to defeat 8472. Too bad we never saw what the bigger Ship would have been able to do.

It would be really cool if the ST ships weapons worked.

​@@theidajawho In typical crossovers, Star Trek phaser weapons would've shredded things, but I suspect the depiction against a Shadow ship is probably fairly accurate if these are indeed early era Vulcan ships. The Enterprise-D's torpedoes would obliterate anything in the B5 universe; a universe where nuclear weapons are often considered the big bad WMD.

@@alphanerd2305 and what about ship shields?

@@theidajawho Excellent point. It strikes me that the Star Trek shield system would survive quite a bit of pounding from weapons in B5. Even early era Vulcan ships had a solid shield system in comparison to other Trek races. But without knowing the in-universe explanation for how Shadow weapons work, it's hard for me to hazard a guess beyond that.

@@alphanerd2305 But the shields should at least be there. All of these B5 - Star Wars - Star Trek crossovers almost never take Star Trek shields into account. And lets not even talk about what a Star Trek transporter system would do to unshielded ships. "Transporter Room, beam a Quantum torpedo to their bridge"...lol

Betazoids are empathic, not telepathic. It's different.

​@@SpacialKatanaDeanna was empathic because she was half betazoid, full betazoids are telepathic according to her mother

@@keyboardt8276 Deanna could communicate telepathically with her mother as well, but not other people.

More likely the opposite. The Shadows have been manipulating other species for millennia; they would just unlock the Vulcans' emotions and create panic.

Some one read the og thrawn trilogy, a men of culture!

​@@marckrieger3277what does it have to do with Thrawn though?

@@keyboardt8276 Its called hit and run, only in the thrawn they call it Hit and fade, as far as i know.

​@@marckrieger3277ah OK 👍

Then someone comes in whining that 'there's no sound in space' Lose lose situation for me, and it's just easier not bothering with SFX, not to mention I only have about 4 B5 sounds anyways

@@SpacialKatana not a whine , I thought that the video was amazing, I guess we get spoilt by the respective shows and get used to hearing those effects.

These are decades old!? The music to this, especially once the battle starts brewing, is so epic

Early 90's dude ;)

That's....going by this 'factual' film, is illogical, captain.

@@SpacialKatana Fascinating.

Doubt so, as societies they both have stiff upper lips and a "my way or the highway" attitude. While cultural similarities could lead to a good compatibility in this case it'll probably lead to more clashes... There are individual exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.

how about ferengi

telepathy can really help them, but the best thing you can do is run away. Unless you're a billion-year-old civilization living entirely on a single ship, I can't imagine how you'd be able to defend against that shot or shoot back. There was always one scenario: you saw a ship of shadows, and this was the last second of your life, then you were simply cut in half, there could be no protection. The fact that any "enterprise" could damage the shadow ship is completely outlandish. Just look at the Federation and Romulus ships - they are structures made from tin cans; Such primitive ships, at best, can fight the Centauri - this is their level, approximately similar technology and economy. I wrote somewhere in another video that a shot fired by a planet killer is equivalent to several trillion tons of antimatter, otherwise it is impossible to make an object with the mass of a planet disappear. I’m really interested, the Universe is not so old, a lot of time passed there for the first stars to appear, then stars from their remains, then planets, then another billion years for the simplest evolution, can life even exist, which has an additional billion years to was there an evolution?

And frequently does if you care to peruse.

thats a galaxy refit and that was a beast that would surpass soverign class in fire power and defences. Federation upgraded the galaxy classes during the dominion war and dubbed them "Galaxy Refit" was borne. Look at the last episode of the picard season 3 on how a old galaxy refit (enterprise) destroyed the super borg tran-warp conduit cube that was the size of a moon. So certainly the galaxy would have destroyed the shadow vessels and even vurlon vessels.

' it can do everything the plot need it to do' Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that :)

Hey Starfleet engineers can make replicators out of rocks remember.😂

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Not watched many of my vids then? 🤣

@@SpacialKatana Nope, but I know this now! 😘

Done with Lightwave 3D. Cheers.

Happy holidays!

Grew up on B5 / TNG and Voyager 👍

No no no, that's all wrong. A federation runabout would cream a shadow vessel 😉........🤣🤣

Actually, there's one still in the B5 universe and the Enterprise D could still create the same wormhole from the Star Trek Universe.

part 3 maybe?

@@SpacialKatana looking forward to it!!

Sorry sp, Vulcan

Made before either existed modelled in the early 90's.

WS model is 23 years old :)

Sorry I don't do SG.

You need to stop telling me what I can and can't do on my own channel, because I'll shadow ban you regardless of whether you like or dislike my videos.

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Patrick Stewart's horse, I mean plot, armour is the best.

Shut up, Trek's science...ffs

It's something I made to resemble an EA ship, and it's not fully finished !

Watched the last episode just for the FX, no idea what was going on 😝

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Eh? They're on a background image so I've got no idea what you're on about

Yeah, from past videos I thought the battlecrab would effortlessly rip the Enterprise a new one

Look closely at the colour..they weren't quite red , but some new fandango ones.

@@SpacialKatana What kind were they? I like all things and ideas scifi.

I don't have a NX 01 version. Like cars I expect ships to have some longevity and survive into the next generation.

@@SpacialKatana Longevity in your videos?

Done the Borg....Jim Jams wouldn't do any better.

Didn't she do well 🤗

That was Big D. Enterprise D

​@@darkmatter1152big D energy

@@keyboardt8276 D&E are badass, mad firepower. Then true enterprise G is the ECLIPSE CLASS

​@@darkmatter1152maybe you haven't watched Picard yet but I've got news for you... 😉

@@keyboardt8276 I know seen it all but that was wrong to change titan a to ent g. Look up eclipse class absolutely badass

I do use the same software they used (Lightwave) yes.

Made loads of videos with it if you care to look.

Normally it'd be clipped with live action footage and make a whole lot more sense...plot..drama..etc

@@SpacialKatana ..."plot"... rrrright..!..I forgot. Vulcan..logic..occasionally enormously thick headed..but good calculators. Oh well. There goes their ship building budget for the month.

Here's an idea Keith, how about support the channel so I can afford the time not working and electricity to render your little fantasy? No.

Yeah but short vid...plenty of times I'vbe carved it up :)

Works better if you do 😏😁

Stargate...oh that one, with the Jaffas and Lego brick spaceships :D Tbf, the Replicators were the coolest thing in SG.

20/20 vision.