I just want to say that i am going through such a hard time right now and no money for therapy and Russell Brand's videos and podcasts have literally become my therapy. I am so grateful that this is available. Thank you!
Hang on there, just hang on and things will get better. It gets so wearisome to hang on I know and my compassion goes out to you and all of us suffering.
I think if We all had what we wanted in life, We would not be Here listening to this, I have received nothing from what the Lady is saying!; maybe it's to early yet.
I dropped out of my PhD program because I was so full of self doubt and shame. I never felt like I belonged and was so selfconscious about the fact that I was the only black person, I was in a big name program and everyone else had come from big name or ivy league schools, I never felt smart enough or really worthy and any mistake felt like a painful death. When I walked into a room I just felt like they could see my uneducated crackhead mother, my wayward father, my years of homelessness, and my then crumbling marriage. It was overwhelming and sadly I folded and now there is no space financially for me to go back. I don't have many regrets but this is definitely one. That I did fight and beat back my shame and fear.... Thank you so much for being who you are and making me face myself and grow.
Some people maybe admired your dedication and commitment to get so far under difficult circumstances. I would. I have the opposite problem of having many advantages and opportunities to do what I want but underachieving and ultimately failing to succeed in much at all! Every time I meet someone like you, I was the one who felt ashamed and unworthy. I guess the truth is, neither of us should beat ourselves up about our predicament and accept who and what we are. Maybe we are doing our best. More importantly, the fact you and I have sat and listened to this great chat means we are both still seeking knowledge and understanding to be the best for each other and for ourselves. Take care.
Hope you've went back to it now? Do it if it's still in your heart. Find a way. I'm Scottish and got to university after being married at 17, divorced with three daughters at 24. Started night class and ended up their.. With the encouragment of people I respected around me. Two men in particular, a tutor and community worker. Got in and confidence crashed. Did an aptitude test that convinced I was too stupid to be there, felt like a fraud. The woman said just don't go for jobs with aptitude tests, that flipped it around but still doubted a bit. Stuck it out and did it. The last year was like pushing a rock up a hill but got there. Had available parents to babysit and Scotland had free tuition at that point, so that made it work.
I am so sorry 🥺 If I wasn't broke ass poor, I'd send you back to school myself!! What I can do though is pray. 🙏 I'm praying for GOD to make a way for you to fulfill those dreams and desires in your heart. Tbh, I'm thinking He's the one who put them there in the first place. (Father, may Your good and perfect will alone come to pass in all our lives. In Jesus precious name, amen.)
The sad thing is that to those people YOU are intimidating. You got to where you are DESPITE challenges. Challenges is what creates GREATNESS. If all their extra resources and opportunities were gone tomorrow could they motivate themselves enough to get where you were? Could they push themselves past the self doubt, angst, and pressure to give up? Not many people can. We live in a world that tells you trying is selfish. Wanting is elitist or it’s pointless because it’ll never happen. YOU are proof that if you try, it CAN and WILL happen. You don’t have the money to go back to school, most of us don’t. Take out the loans and bet on yourself. I just did something similar, and guess what? It worked out. Why? Because I had no other option. I didn’t give myself one. YOU deserve it. Don’t ever let anyone (including yourself) tell you otherwise.
No, you are an amazing person! PhD.? Wow! Dont let them pull you down to their level! You are to be admired! You are amazing and I wish you every success...you deserve it!!!!
This interview changed my life! "People that are most compassionate have boundaries of steel. They don't let others hurt them." Love you both. Thank you.
I wish she would've elaborated on the statement "I am compassionate because I don't subject myself to the abuse of other people". I can't grasp the correlation. Any clue anyone?
@@justanotherother because you choose self- compassion first, which then puts you into the place where you can afford to be compassionate towards others.
^_^ :3 A copy-and-paste I made recently: Lmfao. 1) Most people misuse that word. It means to be mostly or solely into prepubescent children, by definition. 2) Many later admitted to lying in that case to profit off MJ. 3) They were teens. So, not a pedo. 4) There are various reasons why people are attracted to actually prepubescent children, and it's not just brain makeup that many assume but has been debunked. 5) MJ did it smoother and it seems MJ's is the actual Moonwalk, like someone else said. 6) Age of consent went up only in some areas. 7) Life expectancy went up. 8) Mary was 14 in the unoriginal and very debunked Bible of my Jewish and Greek people. Virgin birth is a mistranslation of almah and wasn't even in original Christianity. Lmfao.... 9) Edgar Allen Poe, Drake the rapper, Tekashi, many classical top philosophers, and many others have been into minors. It's just natural. Calendars......lol...oh well.... (; It's natural to be into pubescent minors. 10) The brain fully develops at 25, not at 18. Lmfao. 18 and 19 are still teens. Lmfao. 11) Way too many violent people. America, the prison capital, drug capital, debt capital, etc. Biden... on them prepubescent looking girls. .....lol.... Epstein had pubescent minors too, as some have even pointed out on the news he wasn't a pedo. So many mindless people. Fuck. Lol. 😂🤣🤣🤣😅😹😹😹😹😹
Thanks for posting! I was gonna have to go through the whole talk again (though no bad thing OFC!) to find this quote! It reeeeeeeeeealy resonated with me!
@@Bored817 It means when you avoid speaking up about something you feel is a problem to you (whether it be a problem you have with a friend/family member/neighbour/work colleague etc. Or indeed you need to confront and speak to someone about a problem you have at work, such as how things are ran/done there, for eg,) and instead of speaking up you say nothing and internalize what needs to be said, you create a 'war within yourself.' You have no doubt done this before, and when we do, notice how we ruminate over and over and over what we would like to say to the person (or what we feel needs to be said.) We find it difficult to let it go and we can consequently become resentful towards that person, and perhaps even resentful towards ourselves for not speaking up and out about how we feel and instead having put peace between that person and ourselves first, rather than choosing peace within ourselves as the priority. As the saying goes, 'What we resist, persists.' I hope that helps! (I've just woken up so maybe I should have waited until I was more awake to try to explain something, 😄)
"I can find God in you, I can find Love in you, but I'm going to still hold you accountable for what you've done." That was amazing. My favourite interview yet. Thank you
Something about Brene talking about the domestic violence survivors recognizing that their abuser was doing the best they could and that’s why they needed to leave reallllly hit home for me. What an amazing conversation.
Dv perpetrators have such power in our society. Let’s ask them to be better, dig into why, finding mentors amongst other men. Expose themselves to others whose can share their power shift in patriarchal care and leadership starting with themselves.
My heart goes out to anyone who is suffering or HAS suffered from DV. Us “survivors” are stronger for it and it’s so nice not to accept or feel we deserve to wear the badge of “victim” any longer! ❤️❤️🙏🙏🥰
@@katee8147 The boundaries must first be enforced by the loved ones. They will not change if they don’t have to and confronting or asking them to expand their views is basically telling them that they’re doing something wrong which is exactly what they don’t understand.
i love that Russel Brand is now all into the positive soul healing, personal evolution.journey. He’s never been sweeter!I I think he’s finally found what he’s been looking for-> himself. Yay Russel!!💕✨❤️🙏
I agree. The Russel Brand of the 2010s seemed more hedonistic and less disciplined. I'm digging the mellower spiritual Russel Brand. He doesn't come across like a know-it-all guru like such "spiritual" people become.
I ended months of professional bullying with the phrase "I'm doing the best I can". It healed me to stand in my power like that, and knocked them back long enough to find another job and a promotion.
Coming up on six years July 22, 2016 I flew 3000 miles to go to rehab for drinking and my therapist play the Ted talk of Brené Brown and I can definitely say that she helped me change my life❣️
When you avoid conflict to make peace with other people, you start a war within. That hits me so hard and I am so grateful to have heard it and have the capacity to keep it with me. I would have trouble doing it past the "take it easy" part as well.
:3 :3 A copy-and-paste I made recently: Lmfao. 1) Most people misuse that word. It means to be mostly or solely into prepubescent children, by definition. 2) Many later admitted to lying in that case to profit off MJ. 3) They were teens. So, not a pedo. 4) There are various reasons why people are attracted to actually prepubescent children, and it's not just brain makeup that many assume but has been debunked. 5) MJ did it smoother and it seems MJ's is the actual Moonwalk, like someone else said. 6) Age of consent went up only in some areas. 7) Life expectancy went up. 8) Mary was 14 in the unoriginal and very debunked Bible of my Jewish and Greek people. Virgin birth is a mistranslation of almah and wasn't even in original Christianity. Lmfao.... 9) Edgar Allen Poe, Drake the rapper, Tekashi, many classical top philosophers, and many others have been into minors. It's just natural. Calendars......lol...oh well.... (; It's natural to be into pubescent minors. 10) The brain fully develops at 25, not at 18. Lmfao. 18 and 19 are still teens. Lmfao. 11) Way too many violent people. America, the prison capital, drug capital, debt capital, etc. Biden... on them prepubescent looking girls. .....lol.... Epstein had pubescent minors too, as some have even pointed out on the news he wasn't a pedo. So many mindless people. Fuck. Lol. 😂🤣🤣🤣😅😹😹😹😹😹
Amazing. We are truly blessed to live in a time when conversations like this can be recorded and shared. We are witnessing the rebirth of humanity through publicly sharing the magic of real intimacy between two people. Love, Love Love!
Yes, when we love our self and one other, it encourages others to do the same. When one loves themselves, a wonderful energy is give to others to receive. Soon it will be like a wonderful dis ease, everyone will catch it. Agape love is the answer. Choose love. Yes, to my dear deceased friend, pastor Jeremy Mahood, I am a dreamer .I am very grateful to be surrounded by beings that are also dreamers of love, peace, & abundant life. The alternative is hate , war, and death. We all have free choice. Pat. Xoxo
:3 :3 A copy-and-paste I made recently: Lmfao. 1) Most people misuse that word. It means to be mostly or solely into prepubescent children, by definition. 2) Many later admitted to lying in that case to profit off MJ. 3) They were teens. So, not a pedo. 4) There are various reasons why people are attracted to actually prepubescent children, and it's not just brain makeup that many assume but has been debunked. 5) MJ did it smoother and it seems MJ's is the actual Moonwalk, like someone else said. 6) Age of consent went up only in some areas. 7) Life expectancy went up. 8) Mary was 14 in the unoriginal and very debunked Bible of my Jewish and Greek people. Virgin birth is a mistranslation of almah and wasn't even in original Christianity. Lmfao.... 9) Edgar Allen Poe, Drake the rapper, Tekashi, many classical top philosophers, and many others have been into minors. It's just natural. Calendars......lol...oh well.... (; It's natural to be into pubescent minors. 10) The brain fully develops at 25, not at 18. Lmfao. 18 and 19 are still teens. Lmfao. 11) Way too many violent people. America, the prison capital, drug capital, debt capital, etc. Biden... on them prepubescent looking girls. .....lol.... Epstein had pubescent minors too, as some have even pointed out on the news he wasn't a pedo. So many mindless people. Fuck. Lol. 😂🤣🤣🤣😅😹😹😹😹😹
Brene (to her husband Steve): "Do you think people are doing the best they can?" Steve: "I have no idea but what I do know is my life is better when I assume they are."
“Pain that is not transformed will always be transmitted” That quote struck me like a lightning bolt and suddenly my life flashed before eyes. Somehow I ended up here and this conversation has added to my 1 year sober awakening. Every day I get stronger unfortunately the regret will always tear me apart.
"If we are painstaking in this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are halfway through. We will come to know a new freedom and a new happiness. *We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it."*
Me too! I told my sons counselor this and she said WOW and I was a rock star for verbalizing this and also realizing what it means. It struck me as well.
I love the question and answer to the question Brenne asked. “ can we transcend the political realm and view the world thru a spiritual lens”. Speaks to my daily conflict of how to be in the world in today’s energy.
We chose this.The reason we are here is to experience and grow, unfortunately this means dealing with difficult situations, individually and globally. We live in a world of duality Dark has to exist so we can seek out the light. This does not mean that World cannot become a better place, we all have to work to make it so, this is part of our challenge.
41:06- Phenomenal. I'm a big fan of Brené Brown so I thought I've probably heard this all before, but I found the interview generated novelty and creative energy through the chemistry of both Brené and Russell. Just both really open hearted with one another and vibing with each other in a very natural way. Russell definitely inserted his own thoughts and opinions, which was refreshing. Made it more like a conversation and less like an interview. Really cool to hear that boundaries and (self) compassion are related to boundaries!! I need to work on both of these things.
"When you avoid conflict to make peace with other people you start a war within. " As well the " I had to stop being angry and start grieving the loss of a sister I needed in my life" This was gold
I absolutely love the energy between these two. It's like they've been BFFs their whole lives. Plus there is much information that we (the world) need to take to heart. Thanks, Brené and Russel for this poignant and hilarious chat.
Man it's so good to see what your doing with your life,, u didn't sell out to Hollywood and are a wealth of fascinating information. I always thought highly of your intellect. I'm in Australia and am currently on day 6 of an opiod withdrawal then going to study drug and alcohol counselling to help others. RESPECT Always Russ cheers mate Matt Australia What an amazing woman I've never read about her but am going to,, she has an unstoppable insightful attitude very smart woman.!! Not usually impressed easily but she's got me fascinated.!!
“If you want to take over the world you only do a couple things. Make sure that you exacerbate peoples fear and uncertainty and then deliver a enemy that they can blame for their fear and uncertainty”. Sounds like the weapon our political leaders are using all around the world at this time. We must come together. They are winning.
I wasn't looking for this video, but boy am I glad it popped up in my suggestions. I just watched the entire conversation (with notecards and pen handy). That quote, "when you avoid conflict to make peace with other people, you start a war within," really hit home. I'm also nervous, anxious, scared of confrontation. Instead, I tend to avoid certain people and situations, but that isn't always possible, or the healthiest approach for my mental state. I definitely need to work on my communication and how I go about setting boundaries. I'm looking forward to listening to more of the podcasts. Thank you!
@@marshymiyagi2362 This is the basic concept of what happens when the ego represses or supresses painful emotions that Freud explained long before Richard Rohr.
Hello!🙂 No...I can get RU-vid, but I don’t have a credit card so I am not able to sign up (or afford!🤣) things like Luminary, Russell’s subscription service. So I was grateful he allowed this to be seen for free.
But he does not seem to mind choosing a platform which only services 4 countries in the world? And doesn't put them all on youtube because not enough money from youtube? Not sure its so kind considering how different so many of his actions are compared to what he claims to support.
I raised my kids the same way. From the time they started needing discipline I taught them choices. Even now as adults I hear them reference a choice in their everyday lives. It takes a lot of pressure off as a parent and it makes them learn to think for themselves. It absolutely works. I have wonderful children. Not perfect. But solid and loving adults.
This is such a beautiful conversation! Brene makes Russel feel so safe and loved in here and he does the same for her by listening and being genuinely interested, curious and loving. It seems a little bit like a mother/son conversation with nothing but love in between. Thank you so much for this experience ❤️
When she says it’s about “power over”... and switching our perception and intention “to power with and power to...” OMG HUGE!!! Been practicing this and it is paradigm shifting shit man! Love this interview!
Generosity, service & connection.... That sums her up. That is why she is so real and lovable. If I have a hero in this world, it has to be this beautiful woman. That is what I want to be when I grow up.
I've watched several interviews now on your show and seen more than one video of Brene, the two of you are just magical together! Absolutely love your energy and dynamics of how you flow. Thank you for this content!😘👏👏👏
I have found Having firm Boundaries is the closest thing to being Godlike... And nature teaches us this all day long. I love what Brene said about leaving abusiive relationships. My personal experience is You don’t stop loving the person, you leave and learn to love from afar otherwise they continue to hurt you and the kids.
This is by far one of my fave conversations. I watched the first time almost a year ago, and just listened to all over again. So much to take away. I will listen again. Just not in a car, rather with notepad and pen.
"when you avoid conflict to make peace with other people, you start a war within". if thats not my last 20 something years wrapped up in wisdom i dont know what is. thats what therapy is for. woop.
Same here. But for me it’s 35 years. I wonder what books they’d both recommend that they’ve written we’d start on. As I feel I’ve learnt more from these two in the last few minutes than I have in years of therapy
I read my first Brene Brown book a decade ago when I was in college. I have been a cult follower ever since. That was the first taste of reading a narrative from someone who showed me how to have compassion on myself when I had struggled with it for so long. Ten years later, her words are even more valuable to me now and make even more sense to me now than they were when I first read them (and that was a tough bar to beat). At the time, being a young and naive 20 year old, I thought I was ready to be vulnerable and didn’t understand what the big deal was. Shortly after, I went through my first breakup with the first person I ever fell in love with, and learned through gruesomely difficult lessons why so many people are so terrified of vulnerability. That only added value to her words for me. As a 30 year old man, I am seeing the areas where I have struggled to be vulnerable,and am also understanding all the times I was vulnerable, had it blow up in my face, and was shamed for even trying. It almost feels like it came full circle, but what I have learned again and again (that I thought I had mastered at the time but only just was getting started) is that taking the risk is far more worth it than playing it safe.
I'm only 59 minutes in, so maybe one of them says this later on; but the reason (and I read this in a book, so it must be true) that having boundaries is good is because, although you must love everyone, you must include yourself as one of the people you love. Ergo, if someone treats you badly, it is your duty, as a person who loves everyone, to put yourself out of harm's way.
I would add that they also choose very carefully where they express their compassion...meaning that they don't start bleeding at the heart every time they see a homeless person on the street.
I never understood the true meaning of boundaries before. I aways thought it was a person's way to cop out, so they can walk away from a given situation or person; but now i understand it as a loving, emotionally healthy gift that you give to yourself, in such a way that it does not hurt anyone; and is in fact, very compassionate towards everyone involved!
Two of my favourite people having a yarn about existentialism and parenting. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 life is good. Wish I could give you both a hug. 🌟thanks for a wonderful chat
What Breene brown said about how she presents the choices to her child! Omg!! I have been doing this for a week!! GAME CHANGER! Single mom of two boys that are almost 7 years apart, half the time my head is spinning and exploding and the other half the time I just do not know what to do or say because I am SO EXHAUSTED. Thank you!!!
I think Russell could build rapport and engage and make a conversation with anyone,he is a master of conversation,he listens,he connects,he is humble....I love him so much.
37:41 to about 51:00 blew my mind, legitimately. I am also a recovering addict with a deep relationship with a Higher Power and a reverence for compassion, though compassion is, of course, an extremely difficult thing to achieve with consistency. I always love whatever Brene has to say, but her research and findings here, that practicing compassion for all must be linked to a strong sense and application of boundaries, is a game-changer for me. This has given me an entirely new tool and thought process to apply in my life and my recovery. Thank you both for sharing such an honest, important, and insightful discussion with us!
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview. Russel Brand’ and Brene Brown are so in-tune and in sync with each other that listening to their discourse was pure pleasure. Brene is a brilliant speaker with such compassion and understanding of us as humans… And Russel’s ability to thoroughly understand and then rephrase/restate even the most unambiguous concepts, makes this one of the most entertaining and enlightening podcasts I’ve ever seen. It is nothing short of genius. To say thank you doesn’t begin to express my gratitude, but THANK YOU. (I wish you had talked for another two or three hours.)
OMG! I always learn something listening to you; but I swear listening to the two of you riff off each other was almost orgasmic. You two have a synergistic energy that's so powerful. Please have her back on your show again and let us know ahead of time so I can plan my time accordingly. Thank you Russell and thank you Brene.
I've spent the passed 3 years since my partner passed, mindlessly watching youtube drama and getting sucked into gossip i never cared about before. I feel lost. Watching Russell and his guests talk so candidly and indepth about raw topics from such diversely angled approaches, is like beginning to see the cracks of light between the brick and mortar of my mental prison. Not quite a tunnel, and not enough light to fill the end of one, but the proof that there is light lying beyond these walls, and enough light to illuminate the existence of the walls in their own respects. Its there. Thank you. Also as an atheist, I prefer to see the mechanical analytical method of science as an explorative relationship with the tangible aspects of our natural world. I think absolutism is as dangerous in science as in any fundamentalist religion. I just think science is religion of the tangible, while spirituality(minus weird cultural red tape in dusty ancient books written by man about the "science" of God's and their existence as a tangible thing) is the same explorative relationship but with the intangible. Assuming one is right and one is wrong, is to assume white and black are strict polarities (good and evil) rather than degrees of saturation that are essential for the foundational existence of the color wheel in its entirety.
Me too! I kept looking for it and could only find the segments and I knew there had to be a full episode somewhere. I was so happy to see this pop up on my RU-vid today!
To me, this is the extraordinarily ordinary interview I've experienced. The spirituality and humanity of these two preciously sensitive, intelligent, compassionately wise individuals. I'd love to be around either/ both of you. I'm encouraging my 16 year old grandson to listen to Russell's videos and my friends Brene's books. Thank you both, God bless you xx
Spot on discussion. What an awesome, challenging time to be alive to see all this change! Perspective helps not to judge others harshly. People don’t always have the same perspective we do. They’re seeing the world through their own lens (full of trauma, lacks, etc) and they act accordingly. If they haven’t worked on healing their wounds, they act from a traumatized place. I try to remember that when I get judgy or self-righteous.
When we sense compassion from our Source/God we are compassionate with ourselves which brings forth the deep boundaries for ourselves and in turn others. thank you 🙏 from the bottom of my ❤️
It’s hard fo find love in a narcissist. I can find a damaged child in one and find compassion and love for one. But when they are so disconnected they cannot feel love themselves... how do you reach them?
All the advice is... you cannot. You have to disconnect with love. You cannot even hold someone accountable when they are in such denial and so detached from oneness they can’t even see the harm they are doing. I want to ask Brené about that.
Also I love the most important part of the conversation, in my opinion, the whole section that recognizes that everything in the world from politics and power to human relations is a spiritual crisis. I could jump in on that topic with these two and engage for hours...substance. Truth. I just love this and hope people allow themselves to be transformed by the truth spoken here.
“power is limitless and the more you share, the more your have!” I didn’t know I could love either of you beautiful humans more than I already do! Bless you both. 😘
One of the greatest interviews I’ve ever seen/heard. Humanity at its best….humor, depth, Warmth, compassion, vulnerability, honesty, RESEARCH, spirituality & love all wrapped up in 1:22:45❤️🔥 This is one for the books!
Totally riveting interview, from beginning to end. And so fun to seeing THEM have so much fun together! It was great to see BB really cut loose, and super to see RB as such an absorbed listener. I'll be watching this again.
Kornelia F They both have such a wealth of excellent information to share!! I’m such a big fan of Gabor Mate, and now I think I need to read all the other books by Brene that I haven’t read yet!
elsa Grace Well then read his books instead of listening to his voice. His theories or his body of work are really important, imo. I have never come across anything that so effectively describes the combination of social, spiritual, psychological aspects of mental health, trauma recovery, the connection between the psyche and physical disease, and addiction treatment/recovery
elsa Grace i hope you can open your heart and mind to him...he has some of the most transformative information out there. From being a physician, to working with addicts... to owning his own failures.. I found one of his statements about trauma profound “Trauma is a disconnection from self” A lot of his work is in healing that pain caused by disconnect from oneself. And addressing that in addicts, as addicts are trying to numb that pain..,but once they have tools and support to discover their true selves, they can heal. INCREDIBLE. He also speaks to society’s 4 big alienation’s. 1) alienation from nature 2)alienation from self 3)alienation from others 4) alienation from meaning (true purpose, creativity etc Working those could transform our world and ourselves. Blessings 🌸
90MysteriumFascinans yes!!! I just discovered him and I KNOW I am headed in a new direction and healing...and he is a part of it! I am so excited and hopeful.
41:30 point on how the most compassionate people are incredibly boundaried people; clear on what is okay and not okay, and do not subject themselves to the abuse of others.
Yes, having trained with mindfulness and supercharged that part of me, I'm not only kind to people, their quirks, their weirdness and their wickedness but I'm also simultaenously can let myself not be their prey without needing to hurt them, I wasn't like this earlier almost like I didn't know or was aware of how to do that.
I searched the comments for this quote. It resonated with me. All my life lessons are painful. Is wisdom even worth having if it hurts so much to gain it?
Compassion and Boundaries of Steel: I'm compassionate, because I don't subject myself to the abuse of other people. I'm very clear on what is okay and not okay. Helping through hatred is not helping.
Simply gobsmacked at Russell's transformation over the years. Love the quote about pain, so true. Trying to believe everyone is doing the best they can, but fail at times.
She mentioned 9/11 knowing it was problem reaction solution, and now there is covid. I watch the desperation of the main stream media and authorities in their efforts to implement the covid rules, and I wonder if this is the last stand she is talking about? The finite power battle for those who have demanded power over!
This interview moved me to my core. The conscious thought and approach.... I will listen over to this one again and take notes! ✨❤️⭐️🍃. Thank you thank you Russell
Probably the 20th time I listened to this I finally understand what Brene means by depression upon reaching the next or higher level without the feeling of rapture, but instead despair or feeling like an imposter. Imagining that needing a tutor makes me somehow unqualified to proceed is such a self-sabotage.
