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Waldorf Streichfett & vintage string synth comparison (part 1) 

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A comparison of the sound and some of the features of the new Waldorf Streichfett DSP-based string synthesizer and a Logan String Melody II from the 1970s.
The Streichfett was running firmware 1.07. Sadly the Logan is fractionally flat, but the pitch adjustment won't go any higher (ah, the joys of vintage synth ownership!).

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@granteppley9655
@granteppley9655 5 лет назад
People that actually make records: "What an affordable tool. Streichfett is a Godsend." Collectors that don't: "Not analog. Streichfett cancelled. Back to my Chartreuse."
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei 10 лет назад
Huh? What are those holes at the bottom side? I have one of the first 50 units and it doesn't have those. :/
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 10 лет назад
I think my serial number's 91. Either that or 420,091 :-) There are four circular holes in the back that go quite a way into the unit, maybe 5 mm deeper than the notch visible in the side. Each one then has that channel going to the outer edge of the case, which you spotted. I can only assume they're for mounting it, perhaps on an A-frame stand or something like that. Who knows?
@SamuelGarcia-zv9zx
@SamuelGarcia-zv9zx 7 лет назад
Mexeu e nada
@TheHouseofKushTV
@TheHouseofKushTV 10 лет назад
Waldorf has a much more scooped midrange, which makes it sounds more wispy, less sweet, less in-your-face. I wonder what a good analog eq boosting generously around 800Hz would do to mitigate the differences.
@DeiNostri
@DeiNostri 5 лет назад
I like both and I guess I would prefer the Waldorf Streichfett in a production meant to sound more "clean". I allways want a dirty feel to my recording since I am actually a fan of dirty details like cracks and blips and small parts with background noise, therefore I guess alot of people would hate some of my old analogue gear. My Yamaha Cs-5 synth does occasional hard scraping sounds, and that sounds amazing in an indie, post punk or synth popsong but if I would like to do something sounding clean it would take alot of retakes and mixing to make it right. But... I can use my other synths for that or even some free vst´s. I guess a tube amp and a streichfett, and maybe some effects here and there can make it feel closer to the real thing, but it would never get the rock and roll dirtyness and the feeling of a majestic or grumpy old age machine that an old string machine would do. In the end its easier and cheaper to use annnd produce with a streichfett and occasional effects, but it feels more genuine and dirty with an old machine. And... its easier to mix a clean signal so streichfett wins most of the times, but it is not and will never be that old dirty bastard you love for its unique quirks.
@shaft9000
@shaft9000 10 лет назад
the waldorf sounds bigger but muffled. the logan is more open and sweet.
@HazeAnderson
@HazeAnderson 6 лет назад
The Waldorf is close enough. How does one even find a working Logan in decent condition that is affordable in the 1st place? When you actually use such a tool within a song that incorporates more sounds, the delta between the new and the classic shortens quickly. Even the sounds from the Logan in this comparison has been converted to digital, for the purposes of making this video. And in the end ... both are converted to analog when they play thru our speakers to hear back. How much does each one cost? How portable is each one? How obtainable are they? The Waldorf wins hands down. Thanks for demonstrating. :)
@BlasphemousButler
@BlasphemousButler 4 года назад
@Paul Mina Storm It's really clear to me what he's talking about. Where did you start to get confused?
@RoomAtTheTopStudio
@RoomAtTheTopStudio 3 года назад
Hold on @Haze Anderson my friend, hold my beer lol. I bought a Logan String Melody II in a secondhand store a couple of years ago. It comes in a case so it's actually portable although I don't travel with it.Old stringers can be found and at a great price usually as well. I bought my Yamaha SK30 from the same shop so I'm on first name terms with the shop owner now, lol. A Waldorf is a great alternative if you don't have much space and it does a very good string synth sound but it doesn't win hands down against the string synths of yester year. Korg's Trident mark I and mark II, the Solina, the Quandra, the Farfisa selection, the Yamaha SK selection all have that aged sound about them that is their own character. Behringer is coming out with a Solina so I'll probably get one for when I'm away from the studio as the Solina has the string sound that I like and the Behringer is going to be a desktop unit that's ideal so it's a win win for sound and space. I think the Behringer will be ideal for you as well. If it's got the sound of the original then you will hear the difference between the Waldorf and the Solina
@HazeAnderson
@HazeAnderson 3 года назад
@@RoomAtTheTopStudio Goodness this was all 2 years ago I forgot this even existed! xD I now have the VC340 and it is much better than the VP-03. And I will be getting the Solina ... but because of size and interfaces ... the VP-03 and the Streichfett are what I am using in the main rig. Cheers! :)
@RoomAtTheTopStudio
@RoomAtTheTopStudio 3 года назад
@@HazeAnderson Someone replied to my post here and I saw you posted around that time that I bought the Logan too. The Behringer Solina is right up your street for size and sound. The VC340 does the sound of the original hands down so the Solina should as well. That's a great combo
@Ashfaq1999
@Ashfaq1999 2 года назад
Great video. The striechfett does a great job at capturing that 70’s & 80’s string sound plus affordable rather than paying thousands of pounds for the original string machines today.
@oO5Dynasty
@oO5Dynasty 5 лет назад
The Logan is Warmer.
@bytex666
@bytex666 10 лет назад
The Logan sounds like the Streichfett but run through a high resonant filter in a way. There's that resonant sound.
@speedtribejp
@speedtribejp 9 лет назад
How about Streichfett sound compared to Crumar Performer, or VP330, does it come close to those? I know the original analog is best, but if you can't get the original analog, is Streichfett an excellent substitute?
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
speedtribejp Sorry, I've no idea -- the only string machines I have any experience with are my Logan and Solina.
@YouBredRaptorsMusic
@YouBredRaptorsMusic 2 года назад
i have the Behringer VC340 which has some pretty good analog strings, but i just ordered a used Streichfett, as I feel like, although not analog, it has some cool flexibility and range, while still staying within that Vintage String Vibe. I feel like it really has the ability to hit some of those Pink Floyd studio sounds, that were probably several different synths, or synth patches, layered together. I'm into it.
@jalexanderart2
@jalexanderart2 6 лет назад
Waldorf sounds mellow, more like a Solina; guessing this is what it's emulating. Would like to hear it beside a Solina.
@nickangel6596
@nickangel6596 4 года назад
I have both - nothing compares to Solina, believe me ;)
@coldwar1977
@coldwar1977 10 лет назад
In direct comparison, the Logan sounds much better to my ears.
@RoomAtTheTopStudio
@RoomAtTheTopStudio 5 лет назад
@Paul Mina Storm Still sounds better. That's not to say that the Waldorf isn't a good alternative to the vintage stringers, it does a very good job but my personal preference is the vintage stringers
@synthmusicchile5466
@synthmusicchile5466 3 года назад
5:20 Equinoxe 4 :)
@KristerNielsen
@KristerNielsen 6 лет назад
Couldn't you put the Waldorf through a filter to get it even closer?
@fjfrancois
@fjfrancois 5 лет назад
and through a Small Stone Phaser
@totaltwit
@totaltwit Год назад
2p - about 4 years ago I had a Logan in for repair, it uses 3 "phaser" chips - two had died, I managed to find replacements. I think also the Logan is due for a re-cap. Consider these when you are over come with GAS ;)
@RoomAtTheTopStudio
@RoomAtTheTopStudio 4 года назад
Quite a few of my friends have commented on this video and I understand why they will go with the Streichfett because it's available and it sounds good. As they know I have a Logan String Melody II and in the mix it sounds great. I have used VST string instrument emulations and when I compare the sound of the final mix the Logan String Melody II wins every time for me. The Streichfett is great if you can't get a vintage string synth but if there is a choice the vintage one wins
@chevalierduval5759
@chevalierduval5759 3 года назад
Exactly this. I can't get a vintage one. Depending on the song I plan to use the SF, I eq in the input of the premix already heavily to hit my taste. That way it is a reasonable value for the money you get.
@RoomAtTheTopStudio
@RoomAtTheTopStudio 3 года назад
@@chevalierduval5759 Behringer are doing the Solina. Might be even better value for money and the actual sound of the original
@beckclewlow
@beckclewlow Год назад
clicking through string synth videos and hearing 'ay-up'. caught me very of guard.
@Rachelnymetal
@Rachelnymetal 9 лет назад
you've got me sold on the waldorf. thanks
@Triplechorus2
@Triplechorus2 3 года назад
Biggest and only streichfett problem: the ensemble modulation depth is far to much. Would be easy to fix with another firmware Version. 😢
@BlisterHiker
@BlisterHiker 3 года назад
Nice comparison! Streichfett is an homage to classic string machines, but I'd be happy to see a new, touch sensitive version, switchable between fixed and sensitive response. That feature would've made that little box even more amazing.
@seppoinnanen5577
@seppoinnanen5577 3 года назад
Actually, Streichfett sounds pretty good, different good. And it does more sounds than shown here. Logan sounds good, too
@Sonikbytes
@Sonikbytes 8 лет назад
Great to have such comparison side by side however, in my opinion the unit doesn't have that subtle 'soul' presence like the original does. Would rather stick to my vintage polysix and run it through keystone phaser for that vintage stringer sound rather than buy this
@noiselabproject9659
@noiselabproject9659 8 лет назад
hmmm interesting. The old machine`s OSC`s sounds more rounded in the mid n bottom ends whilst the effects sound more Lo-Fi than the Waldorf module although on a machines like these that actually sounds better methinks
@Degenerative1
@Degenerative1 9 лет назад
Great review nice to hear a northern accent on here.
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
Degenerative1 Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for commenting! I must admit I ham up the dialect a little bit, but the accent is all natural :-)
@Degenerative1
@Degenerative1 9 лет назад
It's an anti zionist symbol , done by a Jewish group so go fuck your self.
@vincewizz8534
@vincewizz8534 5 лет назад
The volume of the Streichfett is lower than the Logan here, which gives it less punch. One thing also: you did not mention some of the blending possibilities of the Streichfett that can really make it sound very rich , it’s not just 2 by 2.
@philipchance5454
@philipchance5454 6 лет назад
Dissapointing sound from the Streichfett. It's okay but really doesn't sound much like the Logan.
@wernervannuffel2608
@wernervannuffel2608 4 года назад
This is a very honest comparing video. Well done 👍
@jumpingman8160
@jumpingman8160 6 лет назад
have you tried the Waldorf STVC?
@reallivebluescat
@reallivebluescat 7 лет назад
its streich-fett, not strikefett
@magicmulder
@magicmulder 5 лет назад
slick67cuda “Streich” is pronounced with a “ch” as in Scottish “loch”, not with a hard “k”. Unusual sound for a native English speaker of course.
@SimpleTrax
@SimpleTrax 9 лет назад
There is a sort of digital noise/distortion when the fett is played. Sound is not colder, it just has like extra digital dithering or something...
@mscformeditation
@mscformeditation 9 лет назад
Thanks a lot for this, basically, most differences are due to the effects...if one gets a good phaser / chorus and the Streichfett .... here we go...
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
Florent Perray If by effect you mean their respective ensemble circuits, then yes, that probably does account for most of the differences. I wouldn't really consider the ensemble an effect though on a string synth, but more a core part of the sound of this type of instrument.I imagine heavy doses of phaser would iron out a lot of the differences :-)
@jupitermarx
@jupitermarx 10 лет назад
So I want to achieve something very similar to what you've done here. Only I want to use the streichfett with the DSI PROPHET 08, and or my Prophet 12 so how are you playing the streichfett thru the DSI MOPHO? How have you connected the two? And what setting is the MOPHO on to play the streichfett ?
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 10 лет назад
I just have a standard DIN MIDI cable connecting the MIDI out of the Mopho to the MIDI in on Streichfett. On the Mopho, on the Global settings menu, there's a setting called Local Control. This wants to be set to Off so that the Mopho doesn't send MIDI to itself (and make a sound) as well as through the MIDI out. I would imagine it will be very similar, if not identical, on the P08 and similar on the P12.
@dylangadwa3119
@dylangadwa3119 8 лет назад
Very useful demo. Thanks for this.
@nickangel6596
@nickangel6596 4 года назад
Very useless demo. Thanks for this.
@frmadrigal
@frmadrigal 9 лет назад
QuirqUK.What string machine do you think sounds more similar to the Streichfett? The Arp solina or the Logan SM ?Thanks for the video!!!
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
frmadrigal Of those two, it sounds far more similar to the Logan. All playing at the same pitch, the Solina sounds fizzier than the Logan, which is darker sounding and the Streichfett is a bit darker still.Of course, the Logan can play an octave higher than the Solina (the Logan's viola is the same pitch as the Solina's violin), so ultimately the Logan does high-end sheen better than the Solina. Comparing the top end of the Logan violin with the Streichfett set to the higher octave, Streichfett doesn't sound much darker than the Logan, but lower down the difference is more pronounced. I suspect the difference, sadly, could well be down to the age of my ears :-(
@frmadrigal
@frmadrigal 9 лет назад
QuirqUK Many thanks for your help on this, I just bought a Streichfett and I want to emulate the sound of an Arp Omni,any advise is welcome. Thank you!!!
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
frmadrigal I've no experience with the Omni, but from what I've read it sounds pretty similar to the Solina but not identical. You'll want the sawtooth string sound on the Streichfett, not the squarewave (the square is the one turned fully anticlockwise), but there isn't really anything else you can do to make it sound more like the Solina.Streichfett isn't really designed to emulate particular string synths, but to be one in its own right with it its own character. That said, I think they could have made it far more versatile as a string synth and had less of the registration knob given over to the organ/brass/choir sounds and more different characters of string sounds (such as having it brighter overall and have some filtered, darker timbres rather than all being rather dark).Anyway, if you want a good idea of what the Omni sounds like on its own, check out AutomaticGainsay's videos, starting with this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LiTLgv5Sm8A.html. I don't know how well the Solo section would emulate the synth section of the Omni though. Good luck!
@firehandszarb
@firehandszarb 10 лет назад
waldorf sounds distant, logan sounds more present. waldorf seems to have some delay or reverb.
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 10 лет назад
There is neither delay nor reverb on either instrument.
@akissparaskevopoulos
@akissparaskevopoulos 6 лет назад
They sound the same to me
@fjfrancois
@fjfrancois 5 лет назад
7:38 Wow
@BlasphemousButler
@BlasphemousButler 4 года назад
??
@LFOVCF
@LFOVCF 7 лет назад
Close but no cigar. If it's trying to copy, then it fails, but if it's to approximate old string machines, then it scrapes in. The Logan is brighter, crisper, and those higher frequencies are what the ensemble works best with.
@pvillez
@pvillez 7 лет назад
Interesting how at 9.40 the Logan's ensemble creates phase cancellation which make it slightly lighter than the Waldorf, though when both switched off the Logan sound is slightly bassier. Nice comparison. It would be interesting to test other old string machines too, however, the Waldorf is very good for a little portable box. Great tech video, thank you.
@gerryaire
@gerryaire 9 лет назад
do you sing? your speaking voice sounds exactly like boy george
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
+Gerry Aire Not in public! I don't think my voice sounds anything like Boy George, totally different accent for a start, him being a Londoner and me being a northerner :-)
@gerryaire
@gerryaire 9 лет назад
QuirqUK ... well, i'm a new yorker... what do i know :)
@QuirqUK
@QuirqUK 9 лет назад
+Gerry Aire Likewise, I wouldn't be able to tell a New York accent from a Maryland one :-)
@djugel
@djugel 8 лет назад
night and day
@brettlarson3504
@brettlarson3504 7 лет назад
Hard to even really compare when the old one sounds so much better...
@RayyMusik
@RayyMusik 6 лет назад
Take the same cheesy sound, divide it up / down 1 or 2 octaves and call it “violin”, “viola”, and “cello”. That’s cheapness! I like how you pronounce “ Streichfett”, btw: “strike fat”. :D Good review anyway.
@stocchinet
@stocchinet 6 лет назад
Yeah the logan have only one sound (two with the bass tone) that's repeated three times in different octaves, it's kinda lame but it's a good sound.
@countrymetalman2915
@countrymetalman2915 6 лет назад
Logan sound is airy, open, full, very natural and analogue, Waldorf is a china toy with bad, chemical, unnatural and bored digital sound. Nothing more than a cheap toy for everyone. Logan is a holy grail for best musicians with SOUL.
@HazeAnderson
@HazeAnderson 6 лет назад
Hey look everyone! A guitar player!
@DestroyER82
@DestroyER82 5 лет назад
Waldorf sounds pretty good and in the mix (using eq's and so) it ll be pretty hard to spot any big differences. I personally own String Melody II and point for real deal is that lack of digital quality. Unstable chorus and every tone always slightly detuned and drifting makes that lovely organic sound and soul of instrument. But still I will recommend Waldorf anyday as cool, affordable and light digital strings synth.
@jgmusicman2281
@jgmusicman2281 5 лет назад
Logan is for RICH musicians or LUCKY musicians you mean. Because BEST musicians can do well with either one. BEST musicians know this already...
@RoomAtTheTopStudio
@RoomAtTheTopStudio 5 лет назад
@@jgmusicman2281 actually a Logan String Melody II costs about the same as a Minilogue XD so you don't need to be rich to buy one, just lucky to find one in good condition. Yes a good musician can make either sound good but a good musician using a superior instrument can really put in a performance with it
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