7:41 😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣 I love this community, I've bought loads from Andertons music, from my very first fender telecaster special edition to my very first valve fender bass breaker head and cab, also nearly finished my pedal board too with these guys, just 10/10 quality and support, I will always buy my gear from you captain.....I'm tearing up here, I love you guys!
Please Forgive me for saying this, but, the Germanium Tumnus sounds the best to me... I own a Lumpy's Unobtainium Tone Bender, and that thing sounds Amazing... There is something Organic that happens to the attack of the tone when Germanium is used... The attack is more tube like than any other pedal, including the actual Klons... Of course temperature does affect Germanium, if its too hot or cold, the pedal may or may not work as expected... Which is why Hendrix switched from Germanium to Silicon, Silicon is not as good sounding, but more reliable...
I love my Tumnus and don't think this will be much different but I'm still getting one because Brian is the coolest nerd online and totally deserves the support.
I've seen the Tumnus win about three shootouts here and I haven't bought one previously so when I saw the Germanium was still available I just went for it. Do I need it? No. Will I regret buying it? No.
Maybe because a few moments after Pete has his rant, Pete himself starts realising they do actually sound a bit different, closer to the original circuits and generally nicer in the mid range. of course it's subtle, it's just the vintage diodes that are different, but there IS a difference whether people like it or not. Doesn't mean you have to want one or prefer one over a cheaper tumnus, or now crave one just because it's a rarity and therefore collector's item. But the fact is they are more similar to the original Klons, making them basically identical,, and it's the rarity of the components and therefore ability to produce that have pushed them into being collector's items. Everyone's so busy being all salty and reactionary about it, it makes me wonder if they do realize the sound is closer and therefore they are salty about not being able to get one now and kid themselves that there's no difference at all...even though everyone actually testing them out in person, including Pete here, admit there is clearly a difference.
Pete's quite correct - there's a tad more treble evident in the standard Tumnus when I listen through headphones. But when Lee compensated for that, they were virtually indistinguishable. I've wanted a Tumnus for a while, so I thought "What the heck - pre-order the new one! 😉". Who cares whether it goes up in value or not - it sounds great! - (as does the standard one!) 😊
I agree. I keep coming back to watch Klon videos out of curiosity and they just don't ever seem to appeal to me. I always end up shrugging them off thinking "they're alright, I guess..." Just not for me I suppose.
Pete messing with the treble during Lee's LP demo around 10:30 is the proof that these ALL sound the same when tweaked. No lie that just eased my entire mind, actually a little astonished at how little change there was...not even a click from the switch was heard.
You should use a looper pedal and have Pete play a loop and then switch it through all the pedals. The youll really figure out how similar they all are. Because not every pot is exactly the same so you’ll have to tweak each one a tiny bit. But you’ll make them all sound the same. And yet knowing this…. I still keep buying the damn things. 😂
Exactly what I was thinking... unless you lose the slightest something through the looper? But yeah, that would eliminate the whole variance in pick attack thing
It’s not different enough to worry me over missing it. I run my Centaur style pedals with the gain absolutely cranked. You’re missing out if you use it as a boost.
While not cranked, I like to use them as a gain boost rather than a clean boost. That means you gotta have the gain high enough to engage the clipping diodes, which are at the end of the circuit. While not maxed out, you still gotta run it past 12! 😉
@@dannyllerenatv8635this how i used a klone as a sick dirty boost but with the gain higher than a typical dirty boost. I Had a sugar drive and i would have gain and volume at 1 oclock and the tone at noon or 1 going into a gained up amp or pedal
That’s the biggest difference with all of these klones. Yeah you can get similar tones to a klon if you only have the gain half way up. When you goose it (which is the only way to run that pedal imo) there are big differences.
The best way to do it is to play some chords into a looper pedal and loop it and then adjust the pedals because the playing would be exactly the same for each pedal
I've wanted a BD-2 now for a few years. I actually just ordered an Angry Driver so, technically I have th BD-2 coming with a JHS modified Angry Charlie built in. I'm hoping that will fulfill my desires lol
Thinking to myself "Am I the only schmuck who went with the silicon Tumnus mini over the deluxe to save a few $$ only to just now buy the germanium to get closer? siiiiiiigh..."
@@roughcutguitars I bought the original mini because it was closer to the original Klon than the deluxe was. But I also found myself having already bought the germanium one too... sigh
I really like the way Brian tuned the Tumnus Deluxe tone stack, especially the Mids control. You can make some really interesting tones playing with that.
This so true with almost all overdrives .... most of them can be tweaked to sound almost indistinguishable from each other ..... play in a mix and it can be more difficult to tell the difference.
@@mr.giggles4995the klon never used germanium transistors. It used 4 op Amps. Germanium diodes is correct. Mr. opinion is wrong 😢 good name for a joker though 🎉
@@mr.giggles4995 not in this case, the original Klons utilized germanium diodes with a relatively low forward voltage and that's what Wampler is replicating here.
There is a subtle different though, it's audible even on youtube and they even say themselves it sounds just slightly fuller and warmer. The diodes will have an effect it's just really slight, since obviously they are otherwise the same circuitry.
I have a Tumnus Deluxe (thanks to your 10 pedal blind challenge), and a JHS Notaklon. I'm done with buying Klons. They go great with a Bluesbreaker and Nobels ODR1 (Browne Protein 😉), Blues Driver, Tubescreamer, and endless other pedals, or all by themselves. Anxiously awaiting 1,000,000 subscribers 😂
First, thanks for the laughs! Second, thanks for proving once again that every potentiometer has slight differences in its sweep. Take and tweak 30 of any pedal, and once they all sound alike you’ll see tiny differences, in where each pot is pointing. I have a Tumnus Deluxe, which I love, I plan on winning the Klon you give away 😂, and I ordered the new JHS Notaklön just because. They all have amazing sound!
Something that never gets brought up, is the fact that the potentiometers can look like they are pointing in the same direction but can be a discernable difference in resistance. If you were to take them out of the enclosure and Multimeter the readings of the knobs to the same. Then you will not have a difference. My two cents as a pedal builder.
sooo...in a nutshell....i ordered a wampler tumnus (gold) but i did also get some geranium ( no not germanium by the way i am german...) flowers for our window boxes at the front of our house....and they weren't sold out either...how great is that....cheers....from southwest germanium......
Thank you for doing these pedal comparisons I used to watch these on that pedal show but now it's that not pedal show. Now it's that interview show or that q&a if you pay show. so thank you Anderton's.
That's fair. Response definitely makes a difference to the player, which is why all video reviews are just the first step. You need to play things yourself.
Honestly, some days I either love or dislike the sound of Klon gain in isolation. However, it just works in the context of blues or country. It feels good under the fingers and cuts through a mix.
Josh Scott is correct you need to turn gain past 9 o clock on the pedal to actually get the diodes to engage in the circuit otherwise its just a very expensive clean boost
I bought the Germanium Tumnus when it came out and fell in love instantly. Much better size than those big-arsed rich man's Klons, too. I think all the germaniums have very slightly more character but yeah, they're all pretty close.
The teeny tiny differences in pedals could be due to a few factors, but even if it was just the pedals control pots for example, the tolerances can be anywhere from +/-5% to +/-20, and the more pots the signal goes through, three in this case, the more that tolerance difference adds up. Saying that, to my ears, these pedals all so damn close, that I'd never be able to spot the difference in a blind test, or in a mix. I don't own a Klon, or clone of one, but if I was gonna get one, I'd be quite happy with the gold Tumnus. It sounds nice, and so close to the originals, that any miniscule difference would neither matter nor be noticed by me. AND, it's a reasonable price.
I have each version of the Wampler tumnus. There is a difference in sound and mostly the feel when you play it. The new germanium has that extra 1% and under the fingers feels amazing.
The germanium to me sounds a little more transparent. It's more a Drive whereas the golden pedal sounds a little more distorted. Even after the gain/treble adjustments.
You know generally I can’t stand pretentious gear snobs or “flash” but if anyone is going to own 2 klon’s I’m glad it’s Lee Anderton he’s one of the few people that would use them to point out how ridiculous owning even one of them is 😂
Update on having and playing my Tumnus Germanium for 3 weeks. It’s never coming off my board…. I have the deluxe, which is great but the germanium sounds warmer without cutting too much treble and feels better… it’s spongier with the attack. Feel is getting close to my original 67’ Super Reverb… saggy….. I always loved the idea of running one as a clean boost and one slightly overdriven…. Where the germanium shines is at the edge of breakup paired with a Euphoria or TS. I can’t imagine a better sound with a strat than that…..
Please Forgive me for saying this, but, the Germanium Tumnus sounds the best to me... I own a Lumpy's Unobtainium Tone Bender, and that thing sounds Amazing... There is something Organic that happens to the attack of the tone when Germanium is used... The attack is more tube like than any other pedal, including the actual Klons... Of course temperature does affect Germanium, if its too hot or cold, the pedal may or may not work as expected... Which is why Hendrix switched from Germanium to Silicon, Silicon is not as good sounding, but more reliable...
As Pete summarized it correctly in 3 secs: "It doesn't matter anymore." These sound pretty much the same. Even I was able to match the sounds playing along while watching the video, using the MythDrive in the Quad Cortex or the Unobtanium pedal and my Les Paul.
Very entertaining video chaps. I have a mini Tumnus and the Deluxe on different boards and mostly use them for boosting my other gain pedals, like RAT's, etc. They excel at that. All of these sound similar enough to not worry about any perceived differences. The Deluxe has extra tone shaping options but TBH the mini is so simple and effective that I prefer that. I would choose the Germanium for looks alone but not at any of the inflated resale prices. The next test would be to put a switcher in between each of the circuit boards and use the same 3 pots for each. That would be interesting!
The Germanium Wampler does have a little warmth compared to the regular Wampler. Close though and in a mix, it doesn’t matter. All 4 would deliver. Germanic seems to also have a little more bite in the mid range.
I got my Tumnus (the "normal" one) a few months ago and I like it a lot. I like the colour, and that it only has 3 knobs, and that it is small. Sounds good I guess. It filled my "classic triumvirate". A Tube Screamer, a Klon and a Fuzz Face.
Got a tumnus deluxe and a silver archer (amongst 10 other non clone drives) and since my $99 Notaklone showed up it's the only pedal the bands visiting my studio have used. Crazy, it's all unicorns and fluffy rainbows and guitar player eat it up......
Managed to secure one of the Germaniums when Anderton's somehow got an extra 20 or so of these from Wampler this week...I was actually shaking at checkout in case I wasn't quick enough lol. Then in my smug state, I stayed on the site to watch the real time stock levels deplete in a matter of minutes.
JHS should totally do a Klonsai but every one of the 9 settings is exactly the same (I say that sarcastically having ordered this pedal 5 mins into the vid)
I believe JHS are still taking orders on their solderless DIY Klon clone kit, the aptly named NOTAKLON for $99. It seems to sound pretty close to the original.
Have you considdered adding a sustainiac equipped guitar to your demo roster? That way you could play a single chord and just have it sustain during an AB similar to that opening.
The germanium ones sound better to my ears. I might never heard that on a gig after adjusting things and in fact, the extra treble might not be the end of the world when you’re competing with cymbals, keyboards and singers who love their high shelf EQs. The other thing to note is that silicon is more stable. Germanium reacts more to its environment and can sound a bit different from summer to winter (especially if most of your gear lives in your car like mine does when I’m in the middle of a busy gigging week). I like the germanium more and that tracks in real life when I put my germanium tumnus up against a silicon pedal of similar ilk. But it ultimately doesn’t matter. Use what you can afford. Use what inspires you. At the end of the day, your gear is the *last* thing that makes you the musician you are.
You've got all the pedals with the overdrive at 9 o'clock except for the original Tumnus it's at 930 or 10 o'clock then you lower the tone so you're making it sound completely different than the other ones on purpose
The original Tumnus was nearly identical but always had a slight upward shift, tiny bit less low-mids, tiny bit more treble. The Germanium is spot on. But you could always lower the treble slightly and get the original there.
I love my Centura. Hand built and gives the authentic look, feel, and sound. Wouldn't trade for anything.... except a real Klon to sell and buy a Murphy LP and another Centura😅
Wed. July 24, 2024 The Wampler Germanium Tumnus Deluxe was available to people on the Wampler subscription list. The next day, the rest were available to the public. Anyone here get one?
From all those 4 pedals that sound exactly the same, i like the sound of the normal tumnus the best. Sounds like i can afford to replace it if it breaks on the road...😂
All I'm taking from this is that they all sound almost indistinguishable, I'll never have more than one to compare, so it just doesn't matter. Coupled with my (lack of) ability, I may as well just get the Tone City version, and spend the difference on booze or a day's worth of heating. 😂
Germanium Tumnus clips smoother that the Silly-con. It's enough for that "higher pitch" perception on that Gold Tumnus. Best way? Get a LOOP PEDAL and a GRAPHIC EQUALIZER on any DAW and just see it.
For all these Klon circuits, that is such a cool f-ing sound. I agree with these guys though that soundwise, there's nothing magical about the OG Klon, and nothing special about germanium diodes. Just confirmation bias and magical thinking from those that buy gear with their eyes and not their ears. They all sound awesome.
I thought of getting a Klone to fatten up my Plexi build, or my IR-X. But I got a MojoMojo PG edition recently. Mr Gilbert is right. It did fatten up that sometimes thin and usually trebly Superlead tone. As for Klones, the Warm Audio one seems decent, as does this one, but the Ceriatone one seems like the way to go perhaps - apart from not many music shops have them. P.S. Putting all the knobs in the same place is not the best way to compare. Potentiometers all tend to be a little different. Pedals need to be dialed in to sound the same, rather than having the knobs set the same.
It was still available when I looked at this video... left it on hold to get my credit card but didn't get to it until the next day... now they're gone 😢
In a mix or in fact alongside any other noise in the room they are the same... If you don't get hung up on the visuals for where the knobs are pointing you can make them all the same.
I got mine in the mail Saturday. I was going to compare it to my gold Tumnus, but my two and a half year old granddaughter uses my pedals for toys and I can’t find where she put it. Will I let her play with the new one that is going for $1000? I let her "play" my Custom Shop Tele, so, yeah, but we are going to work on putting them away.
After closing my eyes and really concentrating I think I could finally hear a difference; some of them sounded like the regret of not saving a few thousand dollars and buying more gear.
They're very close but to my ears the silicon Tumnus is a touch brighter and thinner than the other 3. The original Klons and the Tumnus germanium are virtually indistinguishable, esp over RU-vid.
Great way to arrive at a simple conclusion! Don't follow hype, listen! That PRS is just sublime. Someday, you should do a history of humbuckers show with a shootout of the different types.(Major types that is, all the variants would kills Pete's brain I think!)
