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Wanhao Duplicator i3 V2: Stud Thermistor Upgrade 

Jim Shank
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Installing the Screw-on M3 Stud Thermistor on the Wanhao Duplicator i3 V2, Monoprice Maker Select and Cocoon Create.
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Outcome: Not enough printing yet to be sure. I'll know in the coming weeks if this has made a major impact. You are limited to 300C due to the epoxy in the nut but stock controller maxes at 260C anyway.
I created this video with the RU-vid Video Editor ( / editor )

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@JaySimons1
@JaySimons1 6 лет назад
Im not sure if you verified this thermistor has the same temp to resistance characteristics as the original i3/create? there are as many different thermistor values as you can imagine, and most are VERY VERY different from the next model, so in other words it reports 180c but is actually 290c or vice versa. It can be changed in the firmware but its a bit complicated if you havent programmed an arduino or something like that.
@kingdarkem
@kingdarkem 5 лет назад
Hmm what screw goes into the heat block into the stepper? I ask cause one stripped it's been upgraded so much.
@Borriiiss
@Borriiiss 7 лет назад
What is the part right next to the thermistor? The wires for that snapped right off at the base as well as one of the thermistor wires (was swallowed by PLA after a failed print) so need to replace them.
@JimShank
@JimShank 7 лет назад
That would be your heater cartridge. You'll need a 12v 6.35mm replacement. They aren't expensive but I couldn't find a solid replacement on Amazon. Check 3dprinterwiki.info/wiki/wanhao-duplicator-i3/di3-advanced-mods/heater-cartridge-replacement/ for more detail.
@Borriiiss
@Borriiiss 7 лет назад
Thanks a lot
@MrHauf85
@MrHauf85 8 лет назад
hello jim, love you videos, I used one when installing my flexion extruder. I notice that your not using it in this video, is it becasue you are printing PETG and need the all metal hotend for higher temps?
@JimShank
@JimShank 8 лет назад
You got it, PETG prints require the microswiss. The flexion is a great extruder but the PTFE tube means it's not great at higher print temps.
@pumpalBo
@pumpalBo 7 лет назад
Except if you got the hi temp option, which is actually an additional hotend designed slightly differently around the tube flexionextruder.com/shop/flexionht/
@shaiss1
@shaiss1 8 лет назад
haven't watched this yet. but do you mean v2.1? there's no i3 v3 that I'm aware of. thanks for the video. great info I'm sure
@JimShank
@JimShank 8 лет назад
Corrected, thanks!
@scienteer3562
@scienteer3562 8 лет назад
please let us know how this goes. The temperature stability on mine is appalling. I did the same grounding mods as you without much change. Just about to try swaping to a twisted pair cable to see if that makes a difference.
@JimShank
@JimShank 8 лет назад
No fix in temperature stability yet which leads me to believe that it's a problem with the controller itself. Still worth the ~$12 to rule out and get a more solid bonding to the hot block.
@scienteer3562
@scienteer3562 8 лет назад
+Jim Shank I will let you know about my twisted pair cable tests. Im hoping to mitigate any interference from the stepper wires. I just need to get some connectors that will fit the melzi.
@scienteer3562
@scienteer3562 8 лет назад
+Jim Shank twisted pair didn't make much(if any) difference. I will try and write it up when I get a chance.
@pumpalBo
@pumpalBo 7 лет назад
Twisted pair is intended to filter noise with digital signals that go at certain high frequencies, it will have zero effect to a resistance(=voltage) measuring .
@scienteer3562
@scienteer3562 7 лет назад
pumpalBo not exactly. twisted pair reduces the susceptibility to radiated or inductivly coupled noise. As it turns out in this case the source of the noise poor design of the melzi board. The noise is generated there when the HBP switches on/off so no amount of messing with the wires will help. Adding an external MOSFET for the heated build plate was the best fix for this. My temps are now rock solid.
@ksiazzazle9377
@ksiazzazle9377 5 лет назад
Your rather lucky. I have had nothing but problems with mine. Upgraded to the micro swiss all metal to get rid of my clogging and warping issues with the original extruder. Now if it extrudes it will curl wack the nozzle pop the print off and warp regardless of the leveling.
@gregbernal3237
@gregbernal3237 5 лет назад
do you have to do a pid tune to the printer is done
@633r
@633r 8 лет назад
This is the video I really needed to watchc. Thank you
@MarkSiefert
@MarkSiefert 7 лет назад
How did you do the retuning?
@kobienel6085
@kobienel6085 7 лет назад
I'm in process to buy a Wanhau second hand printer from a totally non technical friend rather far away. Cannot inspect the thing. :-( Was there any i3 printers BEFORE the V2. This guy do not know if there was, and I suspect that he may be as he say he bought it long ago. Probably more than a year at least.
@JimShank
@JimShank 7 лет назад
There was a V1 of the Duplicator i3 that had a flat front display on the control box (not angled like the current version). It's still a perfectly good printer and most of the changes between V1 and V2 (and V2.1) can be replicated through videos like mine or other mods in the Google groups forum.
@kobienel6085
@kobienel6085 7 лет назад
Much appreciated, thanks. I am an Instrumentation and control tech, so, modifications and upgrades is a simple and enjoyable matter to me, as long as I can get hold of the info and spares. A flat face is the least of a problem. BUT now I will be able to ask the guy a sensible question to get a valuable answer. What I did pick up is that the head may have changed from a D5 model to a D10 model. I will be able to get a nozzle for the D5, but do not know if it will fit on the D10. Probably interchangeable, but not guaranteed on thumb suck. :-( That temp problem that seems like an issue, may be just a too cold environment with a not powerful enough heater unit. A draft over it may cause the head to end up in a naturally balanced situation of heat in and heat lost to the air (moving) around the head. It will cause the heater to be full on, but unable to supply enough heat to let the head up more. An increase in airflow around the head will then explain that drop in temperature from a higher point, before set temp is reached. Maybe an enclosure or side panels around the printer can fix that if it is the case, or a slightly more powerful heater. I'd first play with some pieces of cardboard around the printer to see if it have an effect. Temp control can be a nasty monster if it want to play games. Al kinds of lags and energy "storage" in a block of metal that arrive a bit later than intended, moving from the element to the target may cause some overshoot. That is where that PID control gets into play.
@MattHill303
@MattHill303 7 лет назад
What are you using to keep the glass build plate in place?
@JimShank
@JimShank 7 лет назад
Just silicon thermal pads from Amazon amzn.to/2kjyD5Y. They hold the glass in place nicelyl but I can still pop off the plate with the putty knife to clean it.
@andljoy
@andljoy 8 лет назад
Thanks i am going to try this , i have been having loads of issues with my Wanhao getting up to temp, i print abs at 250 at it was constantly sitting around 235 for ages , finally getting to 250 and then dropping back down , now i don't know if its a read issue or it is in fact at the wrong temp. Fre Questions Whats the re-tune you speak of ? Is that an alternative firmware ? If so where do you get it ? Any tips on better thermal transfer between the heater and the block? Any tips on improving layer adhesion with ABS , also been having major issues with that, don't know if that is related to my temp issue , it could be.
@JimShank
@JimShank 8 лет назад
Answers in the order asked: PID tuning is "training" your processor to correlate temperature settings and actuals. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TWsQMmJ8pB8.html. This is the same stock firmware. Upgrade to the microswiss hotend ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-S-lPVz8p6C0.html. The clamping block design provide much better heat transfer. Temperature is the key to layer adhesion in ABS. Perform a temperature test tower from ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-in_3aBWMGa.html.
@kobienel6085
@kobienel6085 7 лет назад
Just a thought. Try keeping air movement, a draft maybe to a minimum around the head or the printer in general. I do not know what watts that heating element is, but it cannot be to high. Maybe your head cools down faster than the heat the element can supply, so you get a natural balance at that 235 degrees. It seems like that can be an explanation for that, also the dropping down instability.
@kobienel6085
@kobienel6085 7 лет назад
Putting a dab of "heat transfer paste" on the element, and then clamping it will probably give another little bit of improvement. It is a white greasy substance that you will get at any electronic spares shop. It is mostly used between a power amp or transistor and the aluminum heat sink to help transfer heat for cooling purposes of the power components.
@fritmoule
@fritmoule 8 лет назад
Great, could you do the same print after the pid tuning to see if you've got less stringing ?
@JimShank
@JimShank 8 лет назад
I just finished the same print and it has the same amount of stringing. The stringing issue may be due to another factor than temperature. goo.gl/photos/WGJjZVjswN4dBmqP7
@fritmoule
@fritmoule 8 лет назад
Jim Shank Yeah I'm also having some esthetic difficulties with PETG, it's pretty solid though...
@kobienel6085
@kobienel6085 7 лет назад
How about what I've talked about in the previous comment? Maybe some environment airflow that caused the material to solidify on one side of the nozzle and cause that string.??? Don't know, just a maybe.
@fritmoule
@fritmoule 7 лет назад
MicroSwiss, slow prints (30m/s) and retraction of 1.5 did it for me.
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