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Limiters can be great if you want a very clean sound. BUT the lower levels of distortion come at a BIG price - soft transients and lack of punch.
In this video I walk you through how to maintain the power and punch of your drums using a different tool that is much more effective.
This will keep your songs punchy and LOUD!
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00:00 - Intro
00:47 - Basics of Clipping and Limiting
01:19 - Impact of Limiting on Music
02:13 - Impact of Clipping on Music
02:47 - The Harmonic Structure of Clipping and Limiting
03:47 - Demo: Kick Drum Test
04:28 - Limiting a Kick Drum
05:17 - Clipping a Kick Drum
06:54 - Demo: Snare Drum Clipping vs Limiting
07:49 - Key Takeaways
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@russenduf
@russenduf Год назад
Clipping and saturation is the secret to loud mixes followed by a limiter for safety.
@msp420
@msp420 Год назад
Yesssss I've always said this and it's crucial for getting the best sounding mixes
@henrybatchem4617
@henrybatchem4617 Год назад
bro, limiting at +1db but then clipping everything above 0db is a fire way to master
@russenduf
@russenduf Год назад
@@henrybatchem4617 would you please elaborate? You mean to push the signal above 0dBFS (true peak) and then clip that??
@henrybatchem4617
@henrybatchem4617 Год назад
@@russenduf yeah, push the level till its just over 0dbfs and set limiter threshold to +1dbfs. (only go for mild limiting of the peaks. Then apply a soft clipper with threshold of 0dbfs so its only clipping off at max 1db
@russenduf
@russenduf Год назад
@@henrybatchem4617 I am lost ...how to set limiter threshold to +1dB if threshold starts at 0dBFS lets say at Pro L?
@dylr7883
@dylr7883 Год назад
There's so many genres that leverage clipping and limiting for the 'dirtyness' of the sound, so glad to see some actual waveform breakdowns of whats happening
@huberttorzewski
@huberttorzewski Год назад
Actually limiters are great for controlling peaks on acoustic and electric guitars, bass guitars and vocals. But for drums clippers and saturators are simply better. For the mix bus it depends on what is being clipped. For piano/vocal song the clipping sounds really bad and harsh. While for rock/metal song with very loud drum transients a clipper will sound more transparent if it doesn't touch a signal below drum transients too much.
@Boomtrooper
@Boomtrooper Год назад
Depends on the clipper - Boz Big Clipper, Standard Clip, Acoustica Audio Fire and Ozone can be pretty transparent whilst still beefing things up - even on a pure vocal
@huberttorzewski
@huberttorzewski Год назад
@@Boomtrooper and then it sounds distorted like for example 'Spinning Bottles' record by Carrie Underwood. Listen to the chorus and tell me it sounds transparent to you. Clipper on a vocal/piano record always sounds awful, it's opposite of a transparent sound
@Boomtrooper
@Boomtrooper Год назад
@@huberttorzewski sorry, I wasn't present when that was produced/mastered so I have no idea what was used on each track... simply a point that gentle clipping, maybe a dB or 3 with certain clippers can give a vocal some weight without audible distortion but of course, it's a matter of taste - one man's grit and mojo is another's scratchy fingernails. You obviously have golden ears and tender sensibilities... "always" is a dangerous generalisation!
@huberttorzewski
@huberttorzewski Год назад
@@Boomtrooper My point was that this record sounds distorted, I can tell that it was clipped on the master bus by the ear. Small amount of clipping on a vocal means small amount of awful distortion, bigger amount is more audible problem. There's no point in clipping vocals - if you want to smooth out the peaks then it' better to use a limiter like L1 or L2 or other light CPU mixing limiter. If you want good sounding distortion then use saturation or exciter but avoid clipping - this is really bad distortion.
@Trentcast
@Trentcast Год назад
Idk to each their own. I rather like some intermodulation distortion, even on pianos. Albeit, with a softer clipping curve for warmer, low-mid overtones. I don’t make classical piano music tho so
@dannychane
@dannychane Год назад
This is very educating (again)! This channel is a a hidden treasure for audio engineers!
@DavidEsp1
@DavidEsp1 6 месяцев назад
Superb illustration - the graphs and the playbacks. Thanks!
@DanglyLingham
@DanglyLingham Год назад
Wow, so needed to hear this. Thank you!
@JonValtandtheEvilRobots
@JonValtandtheEvilRobots Год назад
Interesting topic. I like how you switched between examples without saying anything, so it’s easier to hear subtle changes. Straightforward info and not selling anything. Actually experimenting with sound. Cool dude.
@MokshDhawan
@MokshDhawan Год назад
This changed the way I view mixing and mastering big time, thank you
@Boomtrooper
@Boomtrooper Год назад
Brilliant synopsis, many thanks! 👏👏👏
@blendmastertv9274
@blendmastertv9274 Год назад
This was great! Salute
@LYKAN3EATS
@LYKAN3EATS Год назад
Subscribed. This is very clear.
@RockSolidStudios
@RockSolidStudios Год назад
Thank you! I knew this but haven't really found a clipper I like so I got the free clip and I love it! thumbs up
@thebitterbeginning
@thebitterbeginning Год назад
Excellent presentation of the material.
@music7studios
@music7studios Год назад
Great video Bobby!
@quentinjames981
@quentinjames981 Год назад
Fantastic vid, earned a subscription easily!
@noisyshaun
@noisyshaun Год назад
Brilliant explanation thanks!
@jamisondonald384
@jamisondonald384 Год назад
Good job! This is a good point and makes me think about things a little differently. Also, your lab assistant brings nice chemistry to things
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
Haha thanks so much! 🙂
Год назад
Super informative video, thanks man 👍
@malcomowenflood
@malcomowenflood Год назад
Another great video Bobby! Thank you as always! Something I'll have to test on my own is how a hard clipper compares against a more transparent and pleasant limiter ( Waves L1 being a tool I love but perhaps the most noticeable limiter in my arsenal). Thanks again sir!
@jemwand2530
@jemwand2530 Год назад
Thanks, this has really demystified clippers for me, I have never used them before but have been toying with the idea of experimenting with them. I can see that it would be really useful on transient spikey percussion.
@joelonsdale
@joelonsdale Год назад
Great video, liked and subscribed :)
@12handzG
@12handzG Год назад
Thanks !!
@oldguysplaymetal5517
@oldguysplaymetal5517 Год назад
Over time, I have switched to using clippers more and more, to get both some individual tracks (like kick and snare) and bussed/submixed tracks, to stay just under zero dB peak before they ever hit the master bus. Even though your DAW won't necessarily distort that track at say + 0.3, its always better to know that your pre-masterbus tracks are hitting just under zero dB, isn't it? This makes the compression, limiting and clipping done at mastering much more gentle and therefore, transparent. It also helps get my loudness up to competitive levels without having to rely strictly on limiting for the gain boost. It has made a huge difference overall in my chain, provided gain is properly attended to throughout the mixing stage. Just subbed to your channel, thanks for great info!
@cornoc
@cornoc Год назад
It's not so much about preventing anything over 0 dB from reaching your master track (you could get the same effect by turning down the input gain on those plugins). The main benefit you're really getting by clipping individual tracks is you aren't creating as much intermodulation distortion as you would if you clipped the whole mix. When you clip a signal, it generates a sum and a difference frequency for every pair of frequencies in the input signal. For example, if you send in sine waves of 100 Hz and 150 Hz, it'll create 50 Hz (150 - 100) and 250 Hz (150 + 100) in the output. A lot of those extra frequencies aren't harmonically related to the original signal, so it sounds really trashy and noisy if you overdo it. Because there are fewer frequencies on a single track than on a mix bus, clipping doesn't produce as much of that harmonically unrelated content, so you can push it further before it sounds bad.
@RealHomeRecording
@RealHomeRecording Год назад
​@@cornoc nice details!
@rdean150
@rdean150 Год назад
@@cornoc Seriously, that's excellent information! Cheers!
@DelFlo
@DelFlo Год назад
@@cornoc nevertheless, clipping a signal before it goes into the master bus means that the added distortion will also be compressed and limited, and thus louder. When you clip near the end of a mastering chain on the other hand, no gain is applied to the clipping distortion. So it’s still not that straightforward, I think a mix of pre-master saturation/limiting and master clipping could be the better option.
@cornoc
@cornoc Год назад
@@DelFlo That's a good point and worth considering. Though if you keep it light, it shouldn't be adding much constant noise floor, and should only be present during the transient spikes. That will make it harder to hear even when amplified since transients are so much louder than the body and tails of your signals anyway. Even if it did add some small amount of noise floor, it would have to contend with the full mix to be audible. But still, I think you make a good point and it highlights why you have to be careful and use your ears.
@mullewap6670
@mullewap6670 Год назад
Danke, das du dein Wissen teilst
@nacholibre9929
@nacholibre9929 Год назад
great video
@BennyFade
@BennyFade Год назад
+1 For Clipping! I use it on different tracks now to make them more analog. Really works. Using the boz clipper btw. which has build in eq for custom clipping. Really like this one.
@PharaohLawLess1
@PharaohLawLess1 Год назад
Thank you for this video
@nurd_afrikhan
@nurd_afrikhan Год назад
The clipper is the secret sauce especial Kclip 3
@shoepedals
@shoepedals Год назад
I don't use any clipping plugins, but I will sometimes run drums through mic preamps to get some subtle clipping. Works very well. I mainly only use that on drums though.
@bostocked
@bostocked Год назад
Yes this! Running lots of things through slighter older mic pre amps too really do add their own sonic character to what your putting through it
@user-sd7eb6jq9y
@user-sd7eb6jq9y Год назад
Yes ive been using clippers on bass drum, snare and vocals. I also use it in the mastering process.
@mrcoatsworth429
@mrcoatsworth429 Год назад
I use free clip on every single mix. Incredibly useful free plugin!
@I_LIKE_FRIDAY_
@I_LIKE_FRIDAY_ Год назад
It's so coooooolll!!!!!!!!😱
@JoyfulWAVE
@JoyfulWAVE Год назад
Good information here...👍
@future_Victoryofficial
@future_Victoryofficial Год назад
This man is super cool 👍🏾
@123ATank
@123ATank Год назад
I rarely use clippers on busses or channels with multiple instrument mixes. I basically only use clippers (mainly KClip3 and Saturate) on individual drum channels, typically kick, snare, every tom, and OHs. I find that even inserting the clipper and hardly doing any work that it removes the soul from the buss so that’s why I don’t even use it on that.
@ezkempinkemp3467
@ezkempinkemp3467 Год назад
Thanks
@BurningBushPedagogy
@BurningBushPedagogy 4 месяца назад
This video incredible I never knew clippers can do something cleanly, ie on snare or on edgy midrange sounds.
@makis7234
@makis7234 Год назад
I use a clipper (FreeClip) on the kick, snare, drum bus as well as on the mix bus. Particularly the clipper on the kick is followed by a limiter (Frontier Limiting Amplifier by D16) to push it even more and give it some texture as I find that this limiter saturates and colors the sound. It also seems to 'focus' the kick .I don't really like limiters on snare though. Maybe as a last resort to tame a couple of dB, if not less, that got away. But it's rare for me to use one on snare.
@vlk9931
@vlk9931 Год назад
Also just redlining can sound even better than clipping in some cases and keep more dynamics. Ahee made a great video about it if you want to check it out.
@okaight7248
@okaight7248 Год назад
I was skeptical of the click bait title but you made some GREAT points
@darbomusic
@darbomusic Год назад
Nice 👍
@DaveFore_AudioEngineering
@DaveFore_AudioEngineering Год назад
Mastering engineers have been clipping AD converters for 30 years. My Neve MBC is the best I've ever owned for this purpose. ITB I really like Voxengo OVC-128 which has 128X oversampling and sounds fantastic. Follow it with Brainworx bx_limiter True Peak and you can usually add a little more level and phatness with the XL knob (without it degrading the audio), not to mention the limiter protecting from any overs.
@GenX_US_Marine
@GenX_US_Marine 9 месяцев назад
Waves API - 2500 can be used as a clipper. I discovered this by messing around with the settings. Toggle on the analog in the top right hand corner and on the red output knob underneath there is a red and white buttons. The white button will be green meaning it's on. Press it to turn it off.
@kassemir
@kassemir Год назад
very interesting. i haven't mixed a lot of drums, but what i did often was adding parallel distortion to elements to make them pop out. and, now i kinda wonder if clippers would get similar results, maybe even better results.
@Boomtrooper
@Boomtrooper Год назад
interesting to try 2 or 3 parallel busses - 1st with a low pass filter say at 120hz, limiters are good for smoothing the subby end, 2nd low and high passed for the mid range, compressor/clipper/bit of saturation - maybe a dynamic eq to get rid of a boxy snare usu between 250 -500hz, and 3rd bus high passed around 1-2k, clipper/saturation to bring out the fizz and sparkle - blend to taste! Same process can be great on a kick to shape the tone you want...
@BamBam_PDX
@BamBam_PDX Год назад
Listening on an iPhone and could hear a difference!
@HollerAtcherBoi
@HollerAtcherBoi 11 месяцев назад
Oooof man your vocal mix on this video while talking is haaaarsh
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions 11 месяцев назад
whoops! Thanks for the heads up!
@aleeus419
@aleeus419 Год назад
I was already enjoying this video, but make sure I added you after the joke about orange and original. 😂🤣😂🤣
@lennartstein3024
@lennartstein3024 Год назад
i kinda always clip my drum sounds (e.g hi-hats, snares and kicks). With kicks i either want to reduce the dynamic range, therefore not clip as much or use it as a sound design tool & clip it pretty heavy cause i like the way it introduces distortion to the kick. but with snares and hi hats for example i tend to clip way more, just because it saves a lot of headroom in terms of mixing and doesn't really change the tonal character of the sound. this of course depends on the clipping algorithm. Also i found clipping in general pretty useful cause some one shot samples i use were just too loud therefore clipping gave me the freedom to post process them way more than initially possible i guess
@jefjahn247
@jefjahn247 Год назад
I’m just starting this wild and crazy journey, so my knowledge is “limited” 😉 😉 I don’t want to watch too many “clips” 😉 😉 from different Content Creators. I’ve gleaned a _LOT_ of information from this Channel 🤠👍
@Jimbo386000
@Jimbo386000 Год назад
I use clippers all the time on almost everything except like vocals and pads because that doesn't sound as pleasing (most of the time). Only time I use a limiter is on my master chain and it's only really there to make sure things don't go over, I like dynamic mixes.
@acidbath3226
@acidbath3226 Год назад
i always like to leave headroom for dynamics, especially when I am remastering already brickwalled mixes
@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579
@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579 10 месяцев назад
Right now on my ongoing Livestream "project" in Studio One, the Master bus has 3 plug-ins inserted and several meters in post. Plug-in 1 is LVC Clipped-MAX, adding some clip shifting, and the master section with analog style clip and ISP on, then some makeup gain. This goes into the limiter, Venomode Maximal 3. It's there as a true peak brick wall set to threshold -6.5 dB and ceiling of -1.5 dB. This setup is intentionally reducing dynamics too much. I wouldn't use these exact settings for song mixing, though the plug-ins would be used still.
@zzalt
@zzalt Год назад
1. you can clip with most limiters (shoutout fruity limiter) 2. i do not like using limiters on drums that much, so yeah clippers sound better than limiters on drums i guess 3. there is a better way of making your drums sound louder and it literally is distortion. i use waveshapers a lot but any distortion can be used to enhance the sound and add loudness to your drums or anything for that matter 4. limiters give me a lot of controls over the master. i dont clip my masters because i dont like the sound of a clipper on a master. but i use a limiter and tweak the attack/sustain/release of it to make it closer to a clipper 5. the sound of the limiter is heavily dependant on the settings. a clipper (freeclip as well) are limited in functionality by their lack of settings. if you find a highly adjustable limiter you can combine the flavours of a clipper and a limiter and find something just right for your mix. great video anyway!
@DanBires
@DanBires Год назад
I been using clippers for long time all over my mixes. Love them. The stock logic clipper is great. You can add distortion and frequency shifting so if you need to take off some high or low it’s great.
@ettorel
@ettorel Год назад
Where is logic’s stock clipper??
@DanBires
@DanBires Год назад
@@ettorel it’s the plug-in that says distortion. That’s your clipper and it’s really good. Very comparable to BSA CLIPPER that many producers use. I like both. The Logic clipper distortion has the tone for shaping and level compensation but they both hit hard. If you want a massive kick punchy snare this is my go to.
@ettorel
@ettorel Год назад
@@DanBires You're right! It's really good! Not only sounds great but it saves me some CPU! Thank you, Dan!
@DanBires
@DanBires Год назад
@@ettorel welcome
@Chogyimarco
@Chogyimarco Год назад
@@ettorel the phat fx logic plugin has an actual soft clipper in it too and a soft limiter
@chinmeysway
@chinmeysway Год назад
So morphing things more toward squarewave essentially?
@digitaltrash_
@digitaltrash_ Год назад
you can do 50% clipper and limiter at the end, this way limiter will catch less peaks ;) always doing this on master with aggressive material.
@teeceetu
@teeceetu Год назад
I use to hard clip almost every single drum i made but be aware that it muddies up the frequencies a lot and if you want to have a clean kick or snare, you want to do a combination of compressing and limiting as opposed to distortion.
@JenkemFactory
@JenkemFactory Год назад
You might want to use some "emphasis EQ" if you are getting muddy results. For example you can cut some low end before the clipping stage and add it back again after. Most saturation tools already do this internally but for bass heavy sounds or a mix bus you might need to adjust it yourself ;) Cheers
@stephenthompson9722
@stephenthompson9722 Год назад
I feel like you can get much better results by doing good eq removing woofy unhelpful tones and using reverb on a send to lengthen the sounds you want to get them to stand out more. Without adding more volume or distorting the sound.
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
Definitely genre dependent, but that can help! Cheers
@anthonywelin2204
@anthonywelin2204 Год назад
Thank you for this! I've been wishing my kick was more punchy! So I'm fairly new to recording/mixing. For individual tracks I use a compressor. Are you suggesting I use a clipper on the kick instead of a compressor? Or if you use both, what order do you put them in the chain?
@timermens350
@timermens350 Год назад
First make sure you eq right, but for the compressor: first play arround with the attack of your Compressor. There might be a peak/RMS switch on it too. A longer attack will let more of the transient through. A limiter is in my opnion only useful at the end of a complete song, or maybe in the sound design phase (so very early in the process (electronic music mostly)). A limiter is a Compressor with very high ratio and fast attack. But it also depends on the genre. If you mix live played music, you dont want to ruin the sound of the actual drumset nor the performance of the drummer. Using a limiter on a Kick sample, is an option, but I think that is more like sound design, creating a new Sound out of existing sounds. But then I advice to try layering samples (look up info for that too, f.e. only one sample should carry the low-end information).
@BrofUJu
@BrofUJu Год назад
Compress into the clipper. The compressor is for the punch, and the clipper is going to help even out the peaks of the transients as well as beef it up with added harmonics. 30ms attack, 100ms release is a good starting point.
@raphabmroque
@raphabmroque Год назад
Bro, I laughed so hard with the "orange-original", i'm serious XD
@Mechanobi
@Mechanobi Год назад
Generally I do not use a Clipper but I can see some uses. Generally I limit my kicks since I do not look for large punch in them or just use an EQ to handle it, with a clipper the signal is not just flat it does another sort of thing which I think brings unwanted noise.
@SomeOne-pd6vm
@SomeOne-pd6vm Год назад
I find you can get away with a bit of both. clipping by 1-3db just gets things that much louder with generally no noticable changes in sound I find.
@Crossfire2003
@Crossfire2003 Год назад
I use Flatline clipper on the master buss.
@djkamilo66
@djkamilo66 Год назад
have you tried changing the attack and release of your limiter? it would change how the sine wave looks after limiting.
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
This is a tricky topic because very quickly it doesn't limit with slower attack. Its my suspicion that the attack of a limiter does something slightly different than how it's implemented in a traditional compressor. Otherwise the limiter wouldn't be effective for limiting at all!
@BLACKSYNTH
@BLACKSYNTH Год назад
A clipper with an in built pre shelving EQ would be great 🧐 ❤
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
Oh I know.... Trust me 😉
@nimck6642
@nimck6642 Год назад
I use clippers on almost anything with a bright noisy transient so I can make everything as loud as possible without changing the sound audibly
@sternenherz
@sternenherz Год назад
Limiter with -0,3 db (ableton standard setting) should be ok with pretty much everything, also on the master track, just as a safety tool, right? The negative effects as demonstrated here don't seem to apply on such low -db.?
@disdroid
@disdroid Год назад
yes for the melodies but for a background voices it dulls them slightly and stops them interfering with the solo voices.
@MickDarkstar1
@MickDarkstar1 Год назад
Clipping is the goto! Compression has a cool sound but people overuse it and make everything sound like aggressive dubstep in wrong genres! :D You get control of intersample peaks, more Level but no squashing and awesome when you want to keep dynamics, cut transients AND be able to raise the volume without getting those random peaks at certain points. Just pure control Great video, as always
@b.hornetiii.6771
@b.hornetiii.6771 Год назад
It all depends on a mix you're doing. Maybe I don't want that kind of sound, maybe the mix needs more subtle sound, not "in your face" snare etc. The main thing people don't realise, and it's the most important thing, is that you have to know, predict when you're mixing, how every single little small thing you're doing (or not doing) is going to effect the final mix and potentially cause the problem - if you're on that level that you even know where or what is the problem. You can't just say: O, this sound of snare is so great, you have to say: This sound is great but how this is going to effect the final mix and master when I go "all in" with limiting, eq's, compressor after compressor? From start to finish you have to have "the whole picture" in your mind not just one little "great sounding thing" that can give you a headache at the end. It's great demonstration, but overall if your mix is bad, you can clip, limit all you want, use your best plug'ins it's not going to sound best.
@JackhammerSiesta
@JackhammerSiesta Год назад
I clip almost everything that has a lot of transient information throughout the mixing stage, depending on the material that could either be hard or soft clipping. Only 1 or 2db of gain reduction across individual sounds and busses, but the amount of headroom it can save when summed to the master bus makes such a difference. I also have a clipper as the first thing on my master chain which stops the compressor and limiter having to work too hard.
@Maffio786
@Maffio786 Год назад
I always use the soft clipper is it wrong ??
@JackhammerSiesta
@JackhammerSiesta Год назад
@Faisal Beats Not wrong at all if it sounds good, hard clipping will just square off the tops and will distort more if pushed too hard where soft clipping will round them off and sound a bit warmer. Depends on what flavour you want and the material you're clipping.
@paulosenoni
@paulosenoni Год назад
I've been using the clipper first on the master chain for a couple years now and mastering became much easier since then.
@gughffhhghgghghgg1690
@gughffhhghgghghgg1690 6 месяцев назад
so in the end how much db or lufs louder does your track sound and how much db headroom you have before mastering
@koalanectar9382
@koalanectar9382 Год назад
The clipped kick drum certainly sounds louder, but also kind of muddy to me and almost unrecognizable as the same sample. My first instinct would be to use the limited version and just turn the track up.
@gilbertmartinez5559
@gilbertmartinez5559 Год назад
I like you, sir 🔥
@LETTMusic
@LETTMusic Год назад
I've been eyeing Venn Audio's V-Clip which is only like $30, same company that made the Free-Clip plugin you showcased in this video. It has a lot of different shapes for clipping and has a really nice visualizer built in. I've used the IK Multimedia T-Racks Classic Clipper here and there because I scooped it up during a free giveaway, but I'm pretty convinced Venn Audio may have the best clipper on the market right now. V-Clip also has oversampling which helps deal with aliasing from introducing all that harmonic content. Do you have any thoughts about going aggressive with limiters at the bus/group level of processing? Like taking Fab Fillter Pro L 2, putting it on aggressive mode, putting attack and release all the way to zero, and dialing up the threshold just a tad. And doing this on all of your main buses/groups to give yourself a little headspace back at the bus/group level until you're ready to do the final limiting? Like maybe clippers serve a great purpose at the individual element level, especially for preserving transients and impact; but limiters are useful for taming peaks while simultaneously 'gluing' groups of sounds together?
@music7studios
@music7studios Год назад
I know a metal producer that swears by the Black Salt Audio (BSA) Clipper made in partnership with Jordan Valeriote (another metal producer). Metal is a genre where clippers can become essential. I have used it and it works great. It has a very simple and straightforward UI. It's worth a try with a 14-day free trial.
@bocook6167
@bocook6167 Год назад
Could it be limiters kill the attack of the notes clippers leave alone?
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS Год назад
Yes distortion on drums always a good idea.
@notcoolofficial
@notcoolofficial Год назад
Top G
@clintbeasthood9758
@clintbeasthood9758 Год назад
The only thing I usually use a limiter for is my overheads tracks, and screaming vocals at the end of my chain
@JeromeBanaay
@JeromeBanaay Год назад
I use clipping then Limiter
@brandanleiter
@brandanleiter Год назад
I use clippers on my percussive elements. For my harmonic elements I prefer a limiter most of the time.
@jacksmith4460
@jacksmith4460 Год назад
Snares always clipped, I also use it very lightly on the Master before the limiting stage
@rjstrange
@rjstrange Год назад
I like using clippers when a track has lots of tiny peaks so that I can increase its volume in the mix while staying under my mixdown peak volume goal.
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
Exactly
@JakeyWakey
@JakeyWakey Год назад
I've gone back and forth, but limiters right now. Sometimes clippers on drums.
@vicopujia
@vicopujia Год назад
Does make sense to limit to control a sound on low frec en then clip it to get back the impact and some hi frec? In the case of the kik drum or a bass guitar? or in this case its just better to use the limiter and then add a harmonic with an exiter? May be u will lose some atack on the second option, but u may get it back when compressing. Also, do u limit/clip in before the comp or later?
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
Great questions and unfortunately it all depends on the song and source. The best way to know is to grab a lab coat and experiment 🥼👨‍🔬
@vicopujia
@vicopujia Год назад
@@RaytownProductions Let's get Frankenstein alive 😜
@GenX_US_Marine
@GenX_US_Marine 9 месяцев назад
I HATE limiters for my drums. The very first time I used a limiter for my kick drum I was working on man years ago, I was like what happened to the god damn punch to the kick. It literally sounded like popcorn popping instead of a sledgehammer hitting your chest. Discovered clippers and I haven't looked back.
@alvarezgamers
@alvarezgamers 10 месяцев назад
I saturate and then clip. This usually gets me 99 percent of the way their. Compression for last min glue. And limit for small rogue peaks. At 1 db reduction.
@chinmeysway
@chinmeysway Год назад
Is clipping native only to plug ins or is it an emulation of some sort of analog forefather (?)
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
You can clip your converters to achieve a similar effect. Some clippers have additional features that can change the sound to some degree.
@rocketman374
@rocketman374 Год назад
Hey, this has some great examples, nice work! You kinda touched on it, but didn't mention why a clipped signal can sound punchy. When you digitally clip, you're creating a square wave. An electrical signal can't instantly change direction like that in the analog world, so when a clipped signal is recreated at the DAC stage, you get a pretty noticeable overshoot as the signal tries (and fails) to create the square wave. It's actually a pretty handy feature at the mastering stage, although it can make the true peak purists a little upset. 😂
@MrPureBasic
@MrPureBasic Год назад
This is just false. Overshoots due to fast slew rates in an electronic circuit happens yes, but at frequencies that do not concern us and will likely be digested by the output filter and that your speakers cannot reproduce. The loss in punchiness of a limiter is mostly due to the fact that you soften the transients during the attack/lookahead in order to avoid the clipping. The clipper on the other hand will preserve the transient energy by generating harmonic distortions and at the expense of loss of information.
@rocketman374
@rocketman374 Год назад
@@MrPureBasic hmmm, I guess I've never actually measured them to see how fast they are, that'll give me something fun to play with this weekend. However, aren't the overshoots CAUSED at the output conversion stage, because of the filters used? In that case, what filter are you referring to that would filter them out?
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
i use Clip Everytime well i do make bass music AKA Tearout Dubstep RIDDIM colour bass and more
@CristianLopez-it5nq
@CristianLopez-it5nq Год назад
I didn't even have to finish watching the video to hit the like button. That whack just made me like the video 😆😆😆
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
😂😂😂
@CoolDudeClem
@CoolDudeClem Год назад
Why would you want to distort the sound, like literally square off the edges? I never do that except for on rock guitars, and even then I go for more of a soft clipping that tubes would do rather than the hard square clipping you'd get from transistors.
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
Try a blind shootout sometime. The clipper (when used at a reasonable level) sounds WAYYY more impactful than any limiter I"ve ever used at the same thresholds. 🤘
@jameshorton7651
@jameshorton7651 Год назад
It's kinda a preference thing ... they both change hermonic signatures. So... where's the compressor in the mix?
@OperculumAudio
@OperculumAudio Год назад
I've noticed it's much easier to clip my snares and claps versus a kick drum. Is that because the kick drum lives in lower frequency range and sounds terrible distorted? Wildest snares don't sound as bad because they live more the White Noise range?
@JustinLesamiz
@JustinLesamiz Год назад
Surely, there's a multiband clipper that would be useful for kick?
@OperculumAudio
@OperculumAudio Год назад
@@JustinLesamiz ohh good idea. Thanks!
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
In my opinion, yep!
@agentviktor3297
@agentviktor3297 Год назад
Nice video! I use TB Barricade 4 on the drum bus. Its chain looks like: clipper (many different types) -> comp -> limiter (again, different types available). I never thought this was, I just try to use whatever combo that sounds good. However I'll try out different combinations from now on :)
@AddlerMartin
@AddlerMartin Год назад
I always did clip the snare and one day the other audio engineer at the studio said I was crazy for doing that. He applied a limiter and when the client listened to it, he was like “what happened to the snare? Sounds like it is made from cardboard”. I put the clipper back and _voilà_
@Mefistofy
@Mefistofy Год назад
I don't understand why the distinction is made. A limiter (as you described it) is very similar to a compressor. A clipper is an actual limiter that limits the signal to a specific +-threshold. If you go for signal power, you can limit, even with a huge impulse, since instantaneous power is impossible to measure, you always need a window.
@cijprod
@cijprod Год назад
I only use a limiter when final mastering
@TheJediJoker
@TheJediJoker Год назад
I can't imagine using a limiter on a single mix channel. I reserve limiting for full mixes, and in that case, I can't imagine substituting a clipper.
@toffeeriot4219
@toffeeriot4219 Год назад
Does Studio 1 have a clipper?
@marcusdevantofficial6728
@marcusdevantofficial6728 Месяц назад
I have Studio One 6.5 and there's no clipper in there. They have compressors but no clippers. I had to go to plugin boutique on the internet to get a free clipper.
@drrodopszin
@drrodopszin Год назад
I needed to realize that I have to clip for kicks. And snare. If you do too much it's going to be super bad though. Guitars... Nah, you need a tube amp (simulator).
@DrawingBase
@DrawingBase Год назад
Niiice. I like your white shirt
@RaytownProductions
@RaytownProductions Год назад
🥼🥼🥼🤘
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