Want to shoot 6x17? This 3D Printed Film Camera might be for you...

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In this video, I'm reviewing the Noble Design 6x17 Film Camera. If you're interested in shooting 6x17 medium format film, there's only a handful of camera options to choose from-some being quite expensive.
The one I'm testing in this video, by Noble Design, is an intriguing option, as it's a little more cost-friendly than some of the well-known cameras, and it's also lightweight and very simple to use. In this video, I'm sharing my experience and thoughts after using the ND6x17 a number of times over the past few months. It was my first time shooting this wide format and one that I had a lot of fun with.
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@DavidImel 10 месяцев назад

Great shots man. Glad to see someone else enjoying this camera. I've been in love with mine since February.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Cheers, David! Enjoyed your video about this camera.

@littlemookid 10 месяцев назад

The lighting and framing @0:32 is simply amazing. Soft and warm, hazy with a hint of vintage sharpness

@TheDavveponken 10 месяцев назад

At first I thought he'd greenscreened himself walking into a painting. Just wonderful.

@HelgeStrichen 10 месяцев назад

Whats Vintage sharpness

@rickortiz8810 8 месяцев назад

I will literally send you slide film to use for this camera, because it's gonna be absolutely stunning! I feel like you're gonna have stained glass windows for negatives ♥️🔥

@tompoynton 10 месяцев назад

Huge Nick Carver vibes from that final location shoot!

@TheConfusedPangolin 10 месяцев назад

Exactly my thoughts. The subject, the time of day.

@peteperkwisit6213 10 месяцев назад

From the backstreet boys?

@Usiris23 10 месяцев назад

@@peteperkwisit6213hahahahaha 😂

@EricGibaud 10 месяцев назад

nice video and product. Maybe you could use your iPhone Lidar to calculate the distance to help focusing.

@pandoranbias1622 7 месяцев назад

The spirit levels are a helpful touch.

@heydod0726 7 месяцев назад

I referred to the video and purchased the ND 6x17. The product quality is so outstanding that it surprised me. This is a very beginner-friendly and easy-to-maintain camera, and the usage and image results are satisfying. Thank you for the information provided in the video, it's very helpful.

@KyleMcDougall 7 месяцев назад

Great to hear!

@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove Месяц назад

@6:20 you have to go back whatever time of year that was, and shoot it in color. That is such a wonderful composition, and I agree, while I like the monochromatic, I feel it needs that color.

@johnruddick5313 10 месяцев назад

Looks a great piece of modern engineering, and good value for money. I noticed that you were not using a central ND filter on the lens. An ND is essential in avoiding massive light fall off, due to the very close proximity of the lens to the film plain. That said, in your compositions, it was that obvious due to low light. The introduction of an ND does cause additional problems, as the required exposure increase quite a lot. As a commercial photographer, I was asked to use a Fuji GX617 to photograph hotel interiors! This format was specified by the ad agency concerned, and they proved the most challenging assignments that I ever undertook. I could go on, but it was all 30 years ago! Also no lens hood??

@johntheexplainer 10 месяцев назад

I got into 6x17 with a 3D-printed Malefic camera a few years ago, and I absolutely loved it. I used the Artist's Viewfinder app, which was *good enough* for shooting fairly loosely, and got away with hyperfocal focussing for the most part. I ended up selling it and going Full Carver with a Shen-Hao for four reasons - easily changing focal lengths without buying more cones, accurate framing through a ground glass, rise and fall lens movements (and tilt/shift when needed), and finally interchangeable backs for switching film stocks in the field.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

The Shen Hao is a good looking camera. Glad to hear you're enjoying it!

@westdk6705 10 месяцев назад

Noble Design! 6x7 format camera let´s go !!

@areallyrealisticguyd4333 10 месяцев назад

Great photos but I would expect something that's 3D printed to be cheaper? For 900 dollars I definitely expect something more premium like wood/aluminum/Carbon fiber. One could definitely DIY your own 6x17 camera out of a Holga panorama camera, super angulon 90mm, and a helicoid for a fraction of the price.

@poorpolarbear 10 месяцев назад

it is not a standard 3d printing, but I agree 100% with you!

@itsobviousobviously3596 10 месяцев назад

I agree with you. Too pricey for a plastic body. It should be around £350

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Can't comment on the pricing as I know nothing about the production costs.

@jnxmck 10 месяцев назад

While I don't disagree, 3D printing comes in many forms. FDM is probably the standard, if you go and buy an Ender 3 or a Prusa they're FDM machines, and an Ender 3 can be bought from around £190 these days. Just checking out the Noble website and the camera is MJF printed, a quick google shows that an MJF printer starts at around £100000, although I found an ex-demo unit for £51k. Not all 3D printing is the same, and the difference in quality when comparing an MJF print vs an average FDM print is monumental. That being said FDM technology is improving and I'm sure with a slightly higher end printer you could model and print yourself something like this for significantly less.

@poorpolarbear 10 месяцев назад

@@jnxmck Agree MJF it is more expensive, but for the price point of the camera, there are some other options, Alavandi cameras are machined Aluminium and they cost around $1400 vs the $950.

@hramakrishnaiah413 10 месяцев назад

Very honest review, love the images. I am a fan of this 617 format, but I will wait till someone comes up with a digital version for this format. Till such time I will keep stitching panos.

@danienelphoto 10 месяцев назад

I love panoramic formats. I don't have any pano cameras, the cost is just prohibitive, but I do like the format. Interesting camera solution!

@H4KUN4M3N03D3L 10 месяцев назад

There’s adapters that’ll let you use 35mm film in 120 cameras that’ll let you schoot panoramas. I’ve tried it and the results are amazing

@opart 10 месяцев назад

I'd suggest Horizon, about $150 - $200 and results are really fun.

@dieselsk8 10 месяцев назад

Congratz! Very cool images!

@christopherdavies8839 10 месяцев назад

Retrorama location Kyle, supercool. Your channel has grown so much since we had you give us an amazing talk at our club the other year. Your eye for locations and narrative is second to none.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Thank you, Christopher!

@MacnTeensVisuals 10 месяцев назад

Great stuff Kyle loved all those shots. 6x17 certainly seems like it would be tricky to compose but when you get it right the results are pretty epic indeed.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed. Cheers!

@thorstenjaspert9394 10 месяцев назад

Super pictures. In the first shooting at this location, the color film would have done a better job. The warmer and cooler greens are resolved into a barely distinguishable gray. The yellowish tones of the grass just so. Photographing landscapes well in black and white is a challenge in itself.

@Jakechams 10 месяцев назад

Thiisssss issss epicc. So cool man

@doriangasseling 10 месяцев назад

Love the garage and color graveyard shots! I can't believe they leave those old Mercedes' and that BMW 2002 outside, that's wild.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

The garage is such a great scene. Happy to come across that one!

@PeteEdmunds 10 месяцев назад

Great review and lovely shots. Thanks Kyle !

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, Pete!

@MyFatherLoves 6 месяцев назад

My first car was a BMW 2002 (the white car in the opening video). Mine was colored in green in the same year as this one here.

@medwynroberts 10 месяцев назад

Useful little summary thanks.

@philosophicalphotography 10 месяцев назад

Looks like a quirky sci-fi spaceship and has the ability to create sci-fi Esq landscapes!

@KristofferTrolle 10 месяцев назад

Cool locations you found, great video and photos like always!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed

@henrahmagix 10 месяцев назад

fantastic video! beautiful shots, especially returning to shoot the same scene in colour!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@thomverhoeven7896 10 месяцев назад

Nice to see that my 2 fav youtubers (you cand mr nick carver) are into 617 now:) Great thing to see companies investing in a solution to an otherwise hard to get format for most of us.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Always great to see companies and people creating new options for us film shooters.

@RYANPARKPHOTOGRAPHY 10 месяцев назад

I would love to try 617 format as well.. it is something special.. thanks for making video!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Cheers, Ryan. It's a fun format.

@pembridgehouse 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Kyle. great presentation.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Cheers.

@nebukadnezzar3578 10 месяцев назад

Wow, basically a 3D-printed Linhof Technorama 617. Unfortunately a little pricey for my taste. Great video though! 😊

@videobyredjade 10 месяцев назад

Thank you

@moringaottawa 10 месяцев назад

Yes this sounds like something that might be fun and cool 0:28 😊😊

@bitchplz 10 месяцев назад

More 6x17 content please, love it!

@PhotoBug3042 10 месяцев назад

Love the Shots.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@RedStarRogue 8 месяцев назад

6:36 Goddamn you and your gorgeous photogenic British countryside surroundings lol.

@ThePhotoDept 10 месяцев назад

damn that Portra 160 on 6x17 with that light? gorgeous.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

such a nice combo!

@tealion 9 месяцев назад

Really nice photos and review.

@KyleMcDougall 9 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@skywalkertnc4209 10 месяцев назад

Beautiful photos

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@SeeMick1 10 месяцев назад

Lovely

@kierancarter3693 2 дня назад

I’ll print my own

@bigmike3189 9 месяцев назад

I 3d printed one total cost around 60 us total worth insanely worth love it

@dmay1100 10 месяцев назад

HI Kyle, thanks for this review! I am very interested in 6x17, and I have been looking at film options. Sadly the more common options are prohibitively expensive, and it is cool to see an option that isn't very expensive. I have been using my GFX in crop mode to create images in 65x24, it is pretty close to 6x17 and I have to admit I do love the images I get out of the camera. I have been looking for a good "reason" :) to shoot film again and 6x17 would be the reason for me. Now to decide if I "need" the options that a field camera would bring or would a more simple camera do the trick. Oh, I love the black and white images you captured!!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Cheers! Yeah, 6x17 with film is a fun one. This could be a good option!

@MeowjinBoo 10 месяцев назад

I shoot alot of 617. Found it for 600CAD, (a linhof 617 technorama) but have already repaired the shutter twice. A zone focus isn't fun, especially on a large format lens, but I've been knocking out portraits with it. Film choices don't help either. Even with ISO 800 film, you're minimum aperture is still f/5.6. I'm lucky to also have the spot filter.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Portraits with 6x17, that would be interesting! Sweet deal on the Linhof.

@Animatedron 10 месяцев назад

I've personally got my eye on the Cubepan by Chroma cameras. Don't fancy having to use my phone for this setup.

@dan.allen.digital 10 месяцев назад

Nice video and cool camera. One thing you didn't touch on is how you scan that massive negative. Flatbed or multiple camera scans merged together?

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Couple different ways for this video. All of the night shots were a single frame with the Fuji GFX. The waterfall shots were three images stitched. Which way to go would just depend on how much resolution I needed.

@parkermillican 10 месяцев назад

You could get a laser measuring device for like 20 pounds. It would work great dor solid objects. I used it for a manual focus sx70 in the past

@michelefranciotta 10 месяцев назад

I love my fuji G617, I use it quite a lot in the Dolomites and it's such a great camera! I do appreciate tho the fact that this one is affordable and lightweight, making it easier for photographers to experiment with this format 😊 great video!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed! I've always wanted to try one of the Fuji's. One day!

@jamesjacocks6221 10 месяцев назад

So first impressions aren't always lasting. The issue about the phone on top is interesting. One position is that it's a digital intrusion and the other is that it's brilliant, giving you both format and light meter if desired and more visible image than from ground glass. I feel these specialized cameras make sense where gathering the greatest detail is key. These 6x17 cameras aren't any wider than other film cameras-they are using off the shelf lenses. So, if you need big this is one way to go. If not, they look impressive on a tripod. I had a Linhof 6x12 and although the camera was quite the optical marvel, it was redundant and expensive. These printed cameras aren't that expensive and it's wonderful to see new film cameras.

@ThangLe-ic7vs 10 месяцев назад

Chroma Camera just released their version of 617 format and it has changeable film backs and groundglass ( kinda like the shenhao 617 ) for just over half of the Noble Design. You might wanna take a look at that.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

I'll take a look. Cheers.

@jaypage8823 10 месяцев назад

I'd be interested in your thoughts after using the ND 6x17 about composition, esp in regard the foreground because doesn't that get compromised somewhat by such a wide format. How does it compare to say, a 6x9 or 6x12 in that regard. What is the 35mm equivalent focal length of the lens you were shooting on this camera? Are there problems getting such a wide piece of film scanned?

@jacobdipietro375 10 месяцев назад

First David's video, now yours. My horizon 202 died a few months back, is this the universe telling me to buy one?? Great shots. Well done

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Cheers, Jacob!

@chunnelglazer 10 месяцев назад

Great video as usual! I've been hungry to get into 6x17 for a few years, and have considered this camera as a solid option. I've also priced out a 5x7 view camera with a 6x17 back for a similar price. In your opinion, do you find the weight savings of the ND 617 outweigh the ability to nail focus with the ground glass of a view camera? I'm really torn between both setups.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

The low weight of this setup is definitely nice. When it comes to focusing, I guess it depends on the type of work you do. For my stuff, which is all wider landscape, focus isn't too much of a concern as I'm shooting at small apertures with subjects far away, so always going to have plenty of depth of field.

@hzubovi1 4 месяца назад

Beautiful photos. How did You scan them?

@yolkdavid 10 месяцев назад

I'm quite surprised they get away with the tolerances of the 3d printed parts for the flange focal distance, which should be an order of magnitude more precise than the HP Multi Jet Fusion is capable of. Leica for instance dry machined their film path rails of their R cameras after the assembly, by mounting it on the CNC machine via the lens mount, to be withing two hundreds of a Millimeter and avoid shimming each camera's lens mount to this precision. But I'll consider buying one - I like its simplicity

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, I know nothing about 3D printing, so can't comment much on that. All I know is that the camera worked well for me.

@brandoboe 10 месяцев назад

I wonder if you could use a surveying laser to calculate distance if necessary?

@jebeq2007 10 месяцев назад

Very nice shots specially the color shots. Although this camera seems nice for a medium format, it seems like to much of a process to setup a shot and pretty large to just carry around. I am sure you are familiar with the Xpan and am not sure if you have had the chance to try one. I got an Xpan last year and have fallen in love with it. I take it on all my trips and find it so easy and fast to use not to mention the amazing results I get from it. I personally don't think I could carry around a 6x17 and would only use it for some very thought out occasions.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

The XPAN is definitely a smaller more compact setup, being 35mm. It's a camera that I've always wanted to try. The reality with shooting a larger negative, as always, is larger gear.

@blucid 10 месяцев назад

Totally Random video, haha @9:18 I have a photo of me standing infront of the shop with a nice Triumph TR6 being sold. Back in 2019 when we visited the UK. Great place.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

No way, that's awesome!

@spakecdk 10 месяцев назад

That Peugeot is a rare find, very nice!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Sweet ride.

@robertcraig3041 2 месяца назад

What is the viewfinder app you used?

@HI30s 10 месяцев назад

Yo! That bmw 2002 is a beaut!

@reelybaxton3612 3 месяца назад

am i the only one who thinks 800$ for a 3D printed camera with no lens and no viewfinder way overpriced?

@musa7606 3 месяца назад

Wait till you find what the other ones cost...

@rephaelreyes8552 3 месяца назад

Sadly everyone wants to be a successful entrepreneur. I appreciate the hard work, but I guess that’ll have to be the price for it to make the effort worth it

@ryankiesel7275 2 месяца назад

can you link the viewfinder app?

@john3Lee 10 месяцев назад

Always interesting content - Thank you.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@cwinasia 10 месяцев назад

Did you end of having to dodge the centre ? When I used the Fuji it came with a centre gradated filter

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

I didn't for any of these images. But wouldn't be too apparent in the night stuff. Maybe something I'll notice with other images.

@TheBrancos 2 месяца назад

sorry I might have missed in the video but which lens did you use for this 3d camera?

@PeteMP3 10 месяцев назад

I'm amazed they don't produce an old style "Sports Finder"

@malcomjhy 10 месяцев назад

Hey, may I know what’s the app name? Thank you. Love your work!

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

This is called 'Viewfinder' on the app store.

@timtherascal 10 месяцев назад

I adore that first location been there multiple times myself just to ogle the cars

@poorpolarbear 10 месяцев назад

Hey how to do you wind the camera? how many turns you have to make?

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

There are knobs on the bottom of the camera. You advance while looking through the small window on the back. The numbers are marked out on the camera. So you advance to 1, 4, 7, and 10, on the backing paper.

@ulyssesnathanialowen3831 8 месяцев назад

filters green. yellow, orange, red , young man !!!

@MARZILLI 10 месяцев назад

There are apps for golf and other… that can give you fairly accurate distance readings.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

I'll take a look. Cheers.

@tylerfetterman9020 10 месяцев назад

Do you digital camera scan the 6x17? If so, what do you use as a holder?

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Yes I did. The images that I stitched, I used the Pixlatr on top of a light pad. The images that I shot as one frame, I just taped them to the light pad and used a cardboard mask. It worked, but wasn't the slickest setup!

@tylerfetterman9020 10 месяцев назад

@@KyleMcDougall did you run into any trouble with Newton Rings? And thanks for the reply!

@bburchellphotos 10 месяцев назад

There's a number of companies now producing camera's via 3D printing. I keep looking at Chroma Camera's, but right now I just can't justify another camera. I'm hardly shooting film at the moment :(

@rastcheck6037 10 месяцев назад

I am looking at them too but I am waiting some reviews on youtube :)

@bernardkealey6449 10 месяцев назад

I wish Steve from Chroma would send some six:17’s out. The price / quality / features of the Chroma range always look excellent

@evanbutson2 10 месяцев назад

I've had my Chroma Six:17 for a few weeks now, slowly chipping away at filming a review for it, will hurry up 🤣 will pop it up on my thefilmlaundry channel when I get it done. But so far, very positive results.

@evanwu8556 10 месяцев назад

What is that light meter app? Is it available in android?

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

It's called 'Viewfinder'. I'm sure it's available for Android.

@jamesjennings-yd2bc 10 месяцев назад

Would love to try this but at around £1600 with body and lens it's out of my budget. Great photos though.

@evanbollag737 10 месяцев назад

But how do you scan it?

@KyleMcDougall 9 месяцев назад

Stitch it, or just shoot as one frame with the GFX50R and then crop.

@tony88851 10 месяцев назад

I wonder how this one compares to the 6x17 camera from Chroma

@holdenhodleriii844 10 месяцев назад

I purchased the Croma Six:17 recently, this seems to be a bit more robust. But, The Chroma was $605 total, shipped from U.K. to NY.

@rebbel67 10 месяцев назад

I didn't get it: is it digital, or analog?

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Analog.

@rebbel67 10 месяцев назад

@@KyleMcDougall Thank you ✌️

@lordofgonzo 10 месяцев назад

That's crazy expensive for what it is, especially when you consider that the Chroma comes with the lens for close to half that (if the £ is that much higher than the $). And couldn't you just use the same app for framing with a different camera?

@jeffstarley1591 10 месяцев назад

There is NOT a lens included with the Chroma, just a lens cone.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

Not that familiar with the Chroma, other than hearing about them. I'll have a look.

@lordofgonzo 10 месяцев назад

@@jeffstarley1591 If that's the case, my bad. Still, though, it's a lot less than this one.

@infernalcapricorn 8 месяцев назад

Wide AF.

@RandyPollock 10 месяцев назад

No viewfinder, No focusing, No lens... if you are shooting 4x5 just get a Dayi 6x17 back for your 4x5 for around 750.00 and then you already have everything you need.

@jean-claudemuller3199 10 месяцев назад

6x17 backs for 4x5 cameras have strong limitations in focal length / focus distances that don't exist on real pano cameras.

@pablovi77 10 месяцев назад

Too expensive, you can get a 6x17 graflok adapter for less than that and an Fuji 6x17 for a lot less with a lens, without the center ND, but you won’t have one with this camera either.

@GlaciaDay 10 месяцев назад

Fuji 6x17 prices are insanely high recently, I doubt one is gonna get that for less than 1K USD.

@jean-claudemuller3199 10 месяцев назад

6x17 adapters for 4x5 cameras are very limited in focal range and focus distance that can work properly. Ask Nick Carver who began with this solution and had quickly to switch to a real pano camera.

@KyleMcDougall 10 месяцев назад

If you can find a Fuji 617 for cheap with a lens, snatch it up. I haven't seen them for much less than £2000 around here.

@LadySalemRaven Месяц назад

they want how much for a 3d printed plastic camera?? You telling me you cant check focus HAHAHA

@dave882 9 месяцев назад

😂 $800 for a 3d print. I’ll print my own

@stevef2114 Месяц назад

wow that is crazy money for a camera that is 3d printed... there no focusing screen,... not sure then where the money is?!?! Large format is precise work... too many gimick cameras out there today... making money.. not giving the photographer a great experience. I bet the intrepid lenses they are doing wont be all that either lol For all the great history of film photography... its marketed as niche or hipster these days... the professional element seems to of gone, with funny colour films and disposable cameras. Its such a shame.

@Ahnii 3 месяца назад

The pictures look really nice, but that has nothing to do with the "camera" and everything to do with the lens. This is "camera" is basically a glorified 3d printed box, and they don't even include the £200-400 lens in their hefty £875 price tag! I'm sorry, but this is the kinda thing, that would be reasonable for an open source project (FREE!), not a £875 "product", this is just a rip-off. I'm kinda disappointed by the fact you thought the price was reasonable... Edit: I just did a quick search and there are literally multiple open source 3d printable projects available doing the exact same thing, for these and more lenses, with some of the designs even including optical view finders! Don't buy this, just print your own!