WAR THUNDER HATES THIS PLANE - A-10A in War Thunder 

The F-16 is more survivable than the A-10. Im sure they are saving the fixes and buffs for when the introduce the A-10C so they can sell more premiums.

As the Point Haired Boss says: “Sometimes you milk the squirrel, sometimes the squirrel milks you.”

It needs to have a better damage model, like the Su-25 (but honestly even better) and the Armor piercing rounds need to be reverted to before the nerf. The HVAP nerfs are so dumb…

I swear there's Devs who sabotage this stuff on the down low according to their personal beliefs and the higher ups can't do shit about it.

The AGM-65B tracks target from 6km and can lock onto the ground from 20km. You can fire them in point track mode and they'll start tracking the target if they're still there when the missile gets within 6km.

My man - thank you for showing you are an actual mortal, and short games and stuff. I was really thinking that either you are Elit3 or hacking and all. I am glad to see that you are a nail from time to time. It is important to me at least to see that you sometimes actually struggle.

I found that, at the 10-11 BR range, the matches are just over way too soon. If you don't get 3 or 4 kills off rip and respawn into your plane within the first 2 or 3 minutes of the match, the enemy team (or yours) is just wiped into nothing. There are so many people who spawn once, maybe twice and then leave. It doesn't leave much of a window to get a good run in, in my opinion. Also side note, the engines in the A10 are hot... REALLY hot, compared to other jets. So when you show IR tracking AA's your butt they can smell you no matter how well you flare.

The agm-65b is a electro optical sensor, it does not look for heat signature. It’s a very old one. It have a good zoom and can target anything, but it’s very bad for moving targets, therefore in reality it’s much more used against static targets and precise shots, like firing into windows, doors, vents or other openings. The IR seaker on the other side can’t fire at “pixels” only at heat sources.

Crazy how the F-4c got bumped up from 10.0 to 10.7 but the A-10a stays at 10.3

I love you Odd and nice video, however I would like to say that I didn't understand well why you were comparing a 10.3BR plane with a 12.7BR one at the start of the video! A-10 Early is comparable with Su-25 that has to launch laser guided missiles through a sight with zero zoom at 10.0BR, and personally I will take the A-10 over Su-25 or Su-25k any day in WT in RB and in SB as well. Also Maverick B has track lock range of 6km against an MBT size target in a clear weather day, that means if the target was bigger than an MBT you can capture it at 7km or 8km, Pantsir S1 or FlaRakRad or MAUS for example, that's why aircraft carrier in test drive can be captured at 20km, because of the massive size. And if the target was smaller than MBT like Begleitpanzer or Ozelot they will be captured at around 5 or maybe 4 kilometers, Wiesel even less, it can be captured at around 2 kilometers by Maverick B or Kh-29T. However you can "point" lock any spot on the ground at 23km or less with Maverick B, you need to press the "Lock Weapon Air To Ground" button twice in "online battles" to get a point lock at any range, in the first press you will go through "pwr" then "ACQ", while it is ACQ press the lock button again and you will get the point lock. Forget about test drive, it works differently there. In online battles, pick a static target like 2s6 at 12km distance, "point" lock it and fire the missile from 12km range at 3000m altitude, the missile will launch and go to the surface but if the 2s6 didn't move much away from the original location the Maverick missile that is still flying will automatically capture it mid air when the target within 6km. Su-25SM3 is comparable with Harrier AV-8B and F-16C. Su-25SM3 has the better air to ground missiles at 12.7 but it has no radar and has no Fox 3 AAMs like Harrier and Viper.

You can se if AGMs track if it says TRACK next to the Agm counter, if it says POINT you locked the groud, same for TV guided BOMBS

"Once you go brrrt you never go back"

Me sad --> Odd uploads --> Me happy

I haven't used su25, but on mig29 smt the kh-29 behaves exactly like AGMs on A10. You can't get a lock on moving targets from far away, you should get close like 5-7 kilometers to get a solid lock. If the targets don't move you can lock them from 12 -15 km, but if they move missile will miss it's target.

0:57 odd i would like to point out the AGM-65B is *very* old, the KH-38MT is a newer, laser designated TV missile. if you want a more accurate comparison try the AGM-65D, the 65B being compared to the 38MT is like comparing an AIM-7E-2 to a AIM-120A. it just isnt accurate.

Gaijin always does this like with the Targeting pods, the buff agms nerf the targeting pods /sights. It's dumb hey missiles are kinda useable but you gotta figure what grouping of pixels is the pantsir looking at you

Not only are Soviet seekers better, they also use HE warheads while NATO uses HEAT warheads. This doesnt sound terrible until you remember Gaijin nerfed HEAT specifically and not HE.

A rare sight to see a plane dedicated video

why was the premium 2a4 in the second match was using HEAT-FS, these premium users mate are incredible

agm-65B lock and tracks a target the size of MBT at a range of max 6-km. This not indicated in the stats to lure people into buying the A-10A and I was one of them.

24:44 oh man 😂😂 It’s fine Odd, we all go crazy when we face Russia in WarThunder 😅

Enjoying the more straightforward, non cherry picked games. Learning where and when you can die from someone can be just as helpful as knowing how to kill them. Keep up the good content! 👍

Hey Bawz! Glad to see you back again and just want to say, I love this form of content where you show your deaths and spawn in multiple vehicles. Very entertaining and feels more instructive for how to actually play at tier!

infrared and tv guided mavericks are prone to losing track of it's target irl, thus they are prohibited for use during CAS missions. IRL all branches use maximum of 2 laser guided mavericks per aircraft

I was just playing the same lineup a few hours before this video and I’ve never had any problem with the missile’s seeker head If you press to lock one more time after the seeker is searching then it’ll lock right where your crosshair is that’s how I get them to work

There's two ways you can cancel a ground lock, I suspect you were clicking the weapon lock button instead of the designate point button (the one that deals with the red square), that's why your bombs didn't leave CCRP. Also, try out the 10.0 Su-25, doesn't even have TV missiles, best you can do for guided weapons are laser guided missiles that you can only guide in a cone and have no autotracker. Better off with S-25s.

The tv guided mavericks have had trouble tracking for a long time. I pretty much only manually fire at non moving targets because its the only way to be safe. You have to be way to close for them to actually track

A-10 irl: tanks multiple missiles A-10 ingame: rudder is yellow, you are unable to pull up and crash

I don't know why people complain I mean the A10 is still a beast in GRB It has TV guided missiles at a relatively low br Whereas the su25 has only unguided rockets and some unusable guided missiles because of the awful targeting camera that it has ,even if the su25 is more survivable it sounds fair to me There is no reason to say the su25 is biased

I don’t think it’s just the a-10 having these problems, I’ve also been having these same issues with the a-4e squadron vehicle for America, I used to love using the tv guided bombs, they were so reliable and I would 9/10 times get a kill, and 5/10 times I’d get 2 with one bomb, now when I’m in matches I feel as if I just CANT get a lock and it is so frustrating. My friends laugh at me and think I just don’t know how to use them, but I definitely do because I loved to use them in the past Edit: I believe it’s the “first person” tv guidance camera that’s bugged like odd said, it works fine in 3rd person, but not in the tv camera. This is annoying because you can’t spot a tank from miles away in 3rd person like you can in the tv guided camera with crazy good zoom.

I noticed it as well with them it's like they have the lock on range for them wrong

Yoo @Oddbawz, just wanna say i appreciate the daily uploads, we are here to watch you have fun, not to watch nukes in every single video! Keep it up big man!

Hey man you need to press the lock button twice and then you get to fire it! That's how I use it. But your way works to!

okay, hearing him voice the frustrations seriously makes me feel like i'm no going crazy.

Bawz, i love just hearing and watching you play. No need to win every game or get 1012012010 kills. Keep up the great content!

I much prefer lower tier play, but something is so satisfying about sabots (favorite tank munition ever) in a modern MBT. I've got a spent sabot from an M865 round that I use as a pencil holder on my desk. I use double sided tape to keep the three petals together, it's great.

I’m so glad u returned to daily uploads

I believe they nerfed the agm-65a to only lock and TRACK within 6km. You can free launch past that in the general direction of the enemy and hope it picks them up when they get within 6km. That's why you were struggling. AGM-65D can lock and TRACK further because of the thermal sight I believe.

The Top tier jet that I always see but never see them actually kill anyone😂

I agree the KVT is a much better buy than the Click Bait. I think I'll stick to abusing the Su-25K though 😅

As someone who has never played Warthunder but just watches OddBawz, I 100% prefer the lower BRs. WW2 gameplay seems more engaging than point-and-click adventure. Though again I've never played it so maybe it's more fun than it looks

Could you play the 2S38 and Su-25 next? To show the difference

4:25 Bawz, at ranges further than 6km you need to fire them in “Point” mode where they lock on to a point on the ground. This allows you to fire them at extreme ranges, and since SPAA generally don’t move around, it very easily connects. You can lock a point on the ground by pressing the lock button a second time, you will be notified of the lock type on the top left next to the weapon name. The AGM-65B being inferior to the Kh-29T and Kh-38MT isn’t Russian bias or anything, it’s just a generally inferior missile. Later mavericks like the D and G variant have seekers that allow them to track moving targets at the same range that the Kh-38MT can. Still though, the Kh-29T and Kh-38MT are much faster and have longer kinematic range, since they are very large missiles that cannot stack on singular pylons like the AGM-65 can. 26:25 To cancel a lock you can drag your cursor out of the white box upon locking anything. The time you locked the sea was an annoying bug, that should have been patched out recently.

The Strela's missiles in War Thunder has really ludicrously good discrimination, to the point that I pretty regularly see them swap lock to the plane when launched at a flare I am sure this is 100% realistic

Im ussr main but i tested the top tier jets in the US and im in love with those strong and many TV guided rockets they can use while the SU-39 can only take up to 2 i believe

Yea I wanted to say that the TV lock usually works fine (for me) in 3rd person view... Also the targeting camera shake/jumping is a issue even for lR or laser AGMs too with auto-track nowadays, same goes for helicopters. Also also i have the random game-froze issue too recently, sometimes it even kills me in a awkward way.

The A-10's especially the premium with its artificially limited ordnance are such ungodly sad planes. They CAN be fun but its almost never using it how you WANT to use it, and even using it in standoff isnt great. Its shit but it atleast works unlike the A-6E. On the other hand thats nothing new. USA isnt in a great place right now across the board. Even after the buff TV mavericks suck for more than one reason and one of the main ones is mentioned in the video. Similar to Paveway II and AGM-123 Skippers, they fundamentally dont work properly. Plus the B variants on the A-10A im pretty sure arent even correctly modeled. From what ive read it should have both a low zoom and high zoom mode. It is stuck in high zoom. That wouldnt solve the issue with it outright not tracking though. Both the Click-Bait and M1 suck. For similar reasons but the M1 especially considering it is stuck with sub-par ammunition. Atleast its not the XM-1 being almost unusably shit. But having M774 at a whopping 10.3 where everything above and below you has eons better ammo is just sad. It should have and needs M833.

It's a morale boost to see that like most of us, even you sometimes struggle Odd. Love your videos man, cheers.

When I try to utilize the targeting system for the agm (black/white camera) it’s focused above the target area and I need to bring the camera down to see what I’m doing. Do I need to change the magnification or something? Thanks for the help.

nice to see the good old bawz back

If you find some time watch Hunters video how it works. For example effective lock range of Mavericks B you are using is around 6kms . It starts to be quite complex and stats card wont tell you many

A10 has much worse durability than irl. I saw some photos this beast surviving tons of 23mm AA rounds and flying like nothing happened.But in War thunder single stray 20mm shell can rip my wing

They don't hate it, it's just not Russian.

If done correctly, you should be able to fly perpendicular to an incoming fire and forget missile and it will lose track of you long enough to make the missile lose LOS without having to expend flares or chafe. But idk if Gaijin cared that much about how missiles work when adding them into the game.

Su-25K: *is lower BR and carries better missiles than the A-10 premium* Surely you’d think the A-10 would at least have better armor to compensate for this BR difference, right? Nope. Crumples like paper from .50 BMG. Meanwhile the Frogfoot tanks missile after missile without impeding flight capabilities whatsoever

A10 being shot at by AK's during Isr*el defensive war 26 Americans: TITANIUM BATHTUB Meanwhile, Irl: Plane is hot garbage.

Almost better luck than me with locking, I struggled to gets mavericks to lock past 2.5mi, meaning I can almost start engaging with rockets or the gun at that point

Really liking the more varied content. Seeing your bad games makes me feel less shit 😂

yeah from far the thermal camera doesn't look like it locks half the time but half the time it actually is, but generally speaking, if you are dead on locking in thermal, it IS locked, I believe this is partly because the lock estimates where the tank is going if they are moving

Frogfoot has its own electro-optical tracking system. The A-10A does not. Every time you fire the maverick, it switches to the next missile which is not locked on to a target.

The Strela has a visual targeting mode so flaring does nothing…

You have to be within about 8km to get a tracking lock. If you fire past that it can track when it's in range. But even when close enough to get a tracking lock it's still really inconsistent to get a lock. Also it's not IR. It doesn't track heat. It uses an optical contrast seeker which is really old technology.

Odd, most of the time when it looks like the missile missed but still kills the target, it's not actually missing (5:20). What you see visually is just a "rough" idea of where the target it (this is what makes the vehicles rubber band or slide across the ground when you look at them from long range) but if you actually pay attention to the hit cam you'll see the maverick does hit directly on target.

This guy is so goated with the A-10 warthog

The 2s38 is a remote control turret that's why he survived. Got to shoot below turret.

comparing 10.3 to a 12.7 jet. su25 at 10.3 doesn't even have tv guided missiles and i wouldn't expect the missiles with tv guidance in the a10a to be that great

*Gaijin trying to balance their game: Impossible Oh the american agms dont perform good? We heard ya! :buffs su-25k

Thanks for suffering through the a10s "issues" . Don't take it seriously 😅 I think I will stick to low br , not up to the stress at the top 😊

Yeah, pretty much par-for-the-course for Maverick AGM's and the Kh25/29's. I've found out the difference is stunning between the two seeker heads. Sad when I think about the A-10 IRL as it's portrayed in this Russian shooting gallery of a game. After 11 years playing WT it's getting deeper and deeper.

You should give the A-6E a shot with the AGM-123 rocket powered guided bomb

same thing with the ch-29t they to have a problem with lock

The Reason why it does not want to track it's because the seeker is TV which means it seeks based on contrast of the object you want to lock, so the object has to move for the TV seeker to track properly, It's bullshit WT mechanic but it is what it is, IR seekers have no problem.

Looks like you might as well just run Hydras instead of dealing with that buggy mess of a missile.

The invisible or "missed but killed anyway" thing while watching the missile is just an LoD thing. Also I see you doing it in the video, and I am unsure if it actually helps, but it feels like using weapon selection mode to key into the AGMs helps a little bit but they're still miserable.

Whenever I use mavs I click the lock button twice and it locks most of the time (click once which brings up the box in 3rd or the extended crosshair in the sight, click twice to lock), it seems to work that way for me

All the issues you describe here is still unresolved in the 9,0 Israel premium plane when using the bombs. It always lock the ground and never tracks vehicles. Cancel button don't work

I dont think Gaijin hates the plane; its literally advertising material for them

I feel you man, I stock grinded the f4e and the agm-65b’s are terrible.

I love how everyone forgets the strela has a contrast mode.

Gepard coming in clutch. Always nice to see some good team work. ggs.

I use the tech tree A-10late over the A-10early. I have both and both AGMs dont lock for me over 6k out and the missile has such a big hitbox now that ive seen more then half my AGMs be shot down. I also own the su-25k and I have none of these problems except the fact that the IR monitor on the su-25 is low magnification where I struggle to find targets to fire at distance. Also as a person who loves to play the a-10, I've learned its best to stick around 1k in your AGMs operation range and keep high so your missile keeps energy for that long distance.

Can you help me with keybinds and tips on controls for air and ground, Oddz? I recently started like 6 or 7 months ago. You and Spooks are basically the only WT content creators I watch😅

7:23 DM12???

OddBawZ, can you please play the Buccaneer S.2B, with the 3x AJ.168 Martel missile? Its a TV guided 45km range missile, which as a motor that burns the entire flight , so you can lock far away at low altitude and it will still hit the targets... target locks at around 7-8km, but if you see a stationary camping tank, you can just launch it at lets say 20km if you lock it against the ground, then you can outrange basically any tank in the game, including *pantsirs* ... there is a guy who killed many pantsirs with this because he launched the missile as soon as he spawned and then just went down to the airfield to re arm, and got him self 3 free kills.

The A-10A late gets the AGM-65Ds which is a lot better than the Bs. I’d like to have the A-10C so I can rock the lightning TGP and G mavs

You said you tried the seekers on the Av8b and I agree although theres a workaround you can use the litening II targeting pod to lock and launch the mavericks and yes I know its very unfortunate that gaijin didnt give the A-10's theirs (im still waiting on the A-10C 🥲)

Strella are using hybrid lock IR/Optical meaning that flares don't do anything against it, that's why it is so broken compzred to the other SPAA using pure IR missiles

I think it might be the A-10A platform that makes it suck. The A-10A has had alot of issues since it came out, almost all of those issues are yet to be fixed, but I use the F-5E for 11.3 ground with the AGM-165B and they seem to track just fine for me. I figure if It didn't hit, it was just bad luck on my end.

i won't say how war thunders mavricks work but based on experience in both war thunder and dcs the mavricks have a max range of 8nm or in war thunder 8km you first mavrick was just within that range when it locked doesn't matter if you can see it on the camera of mavrick seeing it isn't the only thing the mavrick needs to lock also needs to be in range but will say war thunder is more strict on the mavrick locking as on dcs i can lock mavs at 10nm/10km but they'd fall short since the max effective range is 8nm/km

the trick is to turn off your engine turn left or right, dump flares/chaff then turn back into the previous flares dumping flares/chaff

**game freezes** “everybody checks there video”

@9:50 That's okay because "the missile knows where it is... etc. " Maybe the lock up is dependent upon... the trajectory needed? Because... arbitrary slider at Gaijin HQ in the name of "game balance"?

The AGMs not working is the reason why i stopped playing the a10. the f16 has those nice IR ones and those work great.

Gayjin: Russian Bias, whats that? Were austrain Evryone else: ... Now they need to fix Tow-2Bs, but russians dont have top attack missiles, so they will never be fixed

When the Battle Pass goes live (In a few weeks or so), could we get a video on the Sholef SPH?

no wonder i’ve been shredding these boys in my f-104 the head ons are just to easy

8:43 my brother in Christ, we all have M774

As long you dont get uptiered every single game Gaijin: uptier 11.7 even if you play 10.3

You should have used the A10A late since it gets Agm65Ds wich have thermals and can lock at extreme ranges

My favorite plane