You all realize it is Gajins tactic right to launch a premium or new plane, then release other planes make the br bracket a mess so you feel the need to move on and buy a plne that is maybe better and you have the upper hand? Harrier GR1, Saggitario2, G92, Ariete, etc etc....They dont care about you as a plyer to have a nice gameplay, they care about milking as much money as they can.
@@RT42069I have a mixed feeling ab the f4s it is very bad against f16s mig29s etc but can still kill stuff but that is the same as the f104 tas but there is a lower chance but I feel like all the good top tier jets should be 13.0
This is a massive problem for 6.0-7.0 in GRB, you have loads of WW2 tanks fighting cold-war era tanks with APDS and HEAT, like the Super Pershing, Heavy Pershing, and Jumbo 76.
I liked the BR’s when the F-100 and Mig-19 were first added. After the F-4 was added it was all hell. La-15’s La-200’s MiG’s going up against F2H’s or F9F’s maybe a saber, some frenchie or G.91. That was all so fun then, I had no issue with the game cause uptier’s in that time were rare cause everything was separated by a whole BR. Everything is so blended now where if your at any BR its almost always a guaranteed uptier.
Me flying literally anything Japanese that is 9.0-10.7. I used to love the T-2 and F-1, but now, getting slammed by top tier missiles is what usually happens. They still have speed on their side at least. Still waiting for the F-1 to get the Aim-9L btw. But for now, rip all the Japanese mains who are currently grinding their way from 9.0-10.7. Also, giving the T-2 and F-1 their infrared guided bombs would also make them worth the grind again.
@@euclid1068 well good news is T2 now have AIM9P, but the problem is the only reliable way to get kills was by headons... Im still new to jet stuff but it doesn't take long for me to know that others can easily flare your missiles no matter what they are by spamming flares, and your minigun is the only thing that can damage the enemy reliable which with most of the games u get is an uptier, headon is the only viable way to kill others due to most of the time u are limited on flying defensively like stay low and cant really out turn others (especially MIG 21/23, F5C which I constantly run into) or u get missiled by AIM 7L or R60 if u dare to fly high
Don’t forget the f104 problem, that thing is invincible because it is faster than every missle in a downtier and the only way to kill it if it is on its airfield but you won’t because they sit 10000m and glide
Yeah, but you can't really raise it in br either. Cause 0.3 br higher you have planes with missiles that can kill it essentially 100% of the time provided you use them well.
Bruh The F104S and ASA for Italy are suffering. Constantly brought to fight against MiG 23's, F14's, F16's, MiG 29's, Yak 141s etc. I can't even play it because It turns like a bus.
I think a big issue is that not all trees have enough vehicles to decompress the BR. I mean, sure, I want a BR decompression too, but I already struggle to get any useful lineups that aren't just the exact same tanks over and over again. I'm trying to do some AA duty with germany because I'm spading Gepard 1A2, and if I want a plane to kill enemy helicopters/planes my only 9.7 option is... Mig-23BN. Which is just .3 BR lower than A-10, which has better gun, more ammo, more loadout options, more TV guided weapons (because Mig-23 gets none), flares... And AA missiles. Not just any missiles, fucking 9L's. So my only options around 9.7 are premiums or squadron vehicles, or planes that absolutely aren't fit for the job, especially if I get uptiered to 10.7. I could pick something around 10.7... but then I can be uptiered to 11.7 in a 9.7 SPAA... and that's not going to be fun. I'm not even asking for some super OP plane that has 70 tons of CBU-105's and 700 AMRAAMS, just literally something adequate
Oh hey, cool, I just realized 1A2 literally can't equip 92K's due to a bug. I took screenshots and all to report it, thinking it's a new bug or nobody noticed before. But it's been reported in, like, fucking January. Absolutely amazing, thank you Gaijin
just got the MiG-19S, and it's... either hell or you utterly stomp. all aspects should be 10.7 MINIMUM, and realistically it needs expanding to about 15.0
yea i’ve been saying this for a while, just increase BR cap so it gives planes like ariete or mig19 some breathing room rather than being stuck against planes it’s SUPER strong against or SUPER weak against
yup, I'd rather chill at 7.7-8.0 in WW2 era jets, it's the similar experience just with lower top speeds and the only missiles you see are the 9-Bs which you can dodge accidentally
i also think the game needs smaller teams at higher BRs, it would mean less third partying or double/triple teaming and allow more dogfights to happen, which would also allow for planes which have their strengths in their FM to have a fighting chance
I agree, I think 6-player teams would be the sweet spot but 8 would be more likely. Mot even just for dogfights, just for even being able to keep track f everything.
THANK GOD someone is actually aware of this, you can imagine how excited and happy I was cuz I got my german Mig 15bis about 2 weeks ago, just to play it... And get a full uptier against 9.7 Every. Damn. Game. And missiles arent even a problem for me! The thing is, it can't catch up to anything that isn't an A4 Early, and the guns being SO slow and inconsistent makes it pretty much imposible to put a shot on something that's more than 500m away (let alone a supersonic target)
This problem is part of what makes air sim good - you never have to worry about uptiers. Could be interesting if RB followed the same system, with BR ranges on a rotation instead of being more or less random. So one day the range might be 8.0-9.0, then the next it's 7.7-8.7, etc. Would get the best of both worlds with consistent matchmaking and fast queue times.
Plea to Gajin's matchmaking!!! What really bugs me after a few years coming back to the game is the big difference in matches between planes. In literally every bracket i see HUGE differences in speed, agility, countermesures, measures, etc. I mean can someone explain what the fun is to fly around in a G91 R/4 without flares with medium speed etc and then getting raped by planes with all aspect missiles from planes that have flares and getting raped by planes with such a high speed difference that it is just impossible to even imagine a fighting change. I mean G 91 R/4 versus Mig 19-S, Mig 23 BN, Yak 38, T-2 etc. I mean even the AI attcker Yak 38's are a struggle to kill bcause of the speed difference. It is just ludicrous and realistic battles are becoming the shitshow arcade is nowadays. Realistic used to be a haven for ppl that wanted air duels, fair fights, tactics etc. What's left now is 5 min games with missiles shitting on planes without defense by Starfighters swooping in undetected (even by my aced crew). A game that releases more and more gimmicks and planes and struggles to balance those planes needs a real good moment to think about the future and current state of the game and at this moment i'm not a part of that future sad enough.
This was my favorite br range before they added 30G all aspect missiles that will smoke you at 5km. Lots of interesting and fun planes that will never be interesting or fun ever again unless the entire player base review bombs them again because that’s the only thing they’ll listen to, but I doubt anyone cares enough to do that at this point.
I'm trying to grind rank 6 and 7 Germany and there is literally nothing that I can play without losing my sanity. The low BR German jets are all pretty dreadful and power crept, while the higher BR rank 5 and 6 German jets are constantly being uptiered and facing the problem you talk about here. Every game is another death to a missile, either one I didn't see, one I didn't hear, an invisible one due to a bug, or a missile I can't dodge.
This is why I chose Germany as my second country to grind. Once you unlock it the Hunter F.58 is an amazing aircraft for the 9.3 “Limbo” BR; it has flares and two great missiles with high-mid flight performance. Everything else I’m unlocking on the same rank of the tech tree is useless compared to it.
One small tip for anyone who wants to have fun at this br: get the Hunter F58 (swiss squadron hunter in german techtree). It's amazing. Sure, it's a subsonic without afterburner, but it get 60 flares (stock, 2 at a time), 2 Aim9Js and amazing flight performance.
I can tell you why they dont decompress the brs, for the same reason they make you grind functional guns or smoke charges, for the same reason there are repaircosts high enough to let you end up with -SL even if you get multiple kills: Money. The entire game is build around frustration. This is what people mean when they say monetisation affects the entire game because you need to build a game around it. If the normal grind wasn't compelte ass people wouldn't buy premium. They release a new op p2w vehicle everyfew months that then powercreeps the previous one,, better spend those 70$ before it becomes obsolete again. Getting killed because of unfair matchmaking? Why not buy a better vehicle or just buy that module for the ammo that makes the tank usable.
My buggest issue when I hit 9.0 with France and Germany? No actually armament. I have to use 200 cannon rounds. Total. In a jet that, sure... can out turn a couple things. If it makes it out if the spawn area. We need to be able to start with ACTUAL modern armament, even if it's the most basic 500lb bomb or a pair of trash missiles limited by radar or some other mechanism to balance the grind. I now have every country to 8.3, and I am resorting to hunting bombers...
Love the videos keep it up Idea for next video maybe you could tell us what jets to fly at 8.3 and 8.7 sense you talked about how you should play those instead
It's not only decompression a thing they refuse to address. Let's forget 10.0 uptier for a second. Gaijin does its best to fuck this 9.0/9.3 BR even further up by adding shits like F104A at 9.3. Facing them in a early jet is beyond frustrating, you see average players in the Pencil dictating the game, and it''s ALWAYS the last remaining plane to kill even when you're winning. Early jets such as MiG17/15, Shenyang, Sabres, J29F are ones of the most fun planes to play in this game, but they get unfairly screwed because Gaijin is not player friendly focused.
i mostly fly all the different sabers/migs, fucking love them. even currently, most fun br to play for me. i esp love dicking on ppl in the jap prem saber.
@@thekirby53 I still love flying these planes most of the time, theyre my favorites planes. But it takes a great deal of skills and awarness not be killed without doing nothing in a uptier tho. Sad. 9.0 br is kind of fine, the biggest, massive issue is for the CL13B and the Shenyang F5 at 9.3. You're constantly uptiered with 30G all aspect missiles.
While I completely agree with your point on decompression, I think the ariete is probably one of the worst examples for this. While it is slow and it has no flares, it has by far the best flight performance out of any plane from 10.3 to 8.3. I've grinded up through up to the ASA with this thing and it is by far my best performing jet and I quite reliably get 3-4 kills with it most games. I would argue this plane is really not all that slow in the first place. (Yes its top speed isn't mach) but It can pretty handily go 0.92 mach. this is more than enough to catch targets like harriers if they make so much as 1 slight turn. Same thing with the f5. Most of the targets you are going to be seeing will be already engaged in combat and won't be going their top speed. Of course there are planes like the f104 that can just run away, but they also can't really do very much to you either. On the topic of A10s and SU 25s, yeah the missiles are a bummer, but they can still be dodged a fair bit if you know what you are doing. against those targets it is really just about positioning (which means going high and diving on them) which they can't do a single thing about. Also I don't know if this is just me, but by the time im fighting either of these planes, most of the time they are already out of missiles anyways. I know this comment isn't going to be taken positively, but looking at your gameplay, you are playing way too passively. Even if someone gets on your six as you are chasing someone, that plane can handle 1v2s and even 1v3s pretty well. I saw multiple fairly easy kill opportunities slip away because you pulled of because someone was somewhere moderately close to you. Anyways let me reiterate, your main point about decompression I completely agree with, but I believe the ariete is a bad example of that and almost every other plane at that BR is in a significantly worse position.
The argument that people arent willing to wait a bit longer for a match is bullshit anyways, there are people who play Naval of their free will, where you have to wait 10 minutes sometimes
i feel like its only gonna get worse because we will get leo 2a8 at 12.3 but also things like f22 and f35 are still coming in the future and its a fever dream to think we will see anything above 13.0
Flight preformance> armament, at least in Gaijins book. Also depends on player skill as well. A lot of the supersonic 9.3-10.0s are either premiums or just used by inexperienced players which makes them go down in br simply because the players that use them aren’t very good. Gaijin needs to play their own game and fix this
Not really. Flareless supersonics are just food for anything with a decent missile. My experience with the swiss hunter tought me that. Mig21s, F104s, F4s..., none of them can dodge a well placed AIM9J. And that's just an Aim9J launched from a fairly slow plane, there's much worse around than that.
this is a huge problem with swedish tech tree, the flight performance is always worse then the other players of its br, because they always have relitivly strong weaponry it is rated .7 above what it should be, then the opposite at rank 7 & 8, with decent flight performance but absolutly horrible weponry, every update giving a new modification of the Viggen but not giving the weaponry that it should have, like the JA37D getting the RB74, which the earlier lower br JA37C should have had, the JA37D modificaton is that it is capable of using AMRAAMs, but here we are with nothing. The AJ37 and AJS37? both should have had anti ship cruise missles, large caliber rockets, mines, and cluster bombs as well as both the AJ37 and the JA37 having aim-4s (RB28), as well as the JA37C and JA37D having data link, but nothing else has it either so whatever I guess.
This. I hate it so much that the only reasons the viggens are average/ below average is because of their missile loadout/lack thereof. A skilled player can abuse the viggens flaps at low speed and make use of its amazing roll rate and turn at high speeds, with acceleration being the only semi serious issue about its flight preformance. The problem arises when you have aim9b/e equivilent missiles for 11.0 (and basically 12.0 because face it, your getting sucked into to that br anyway,) and stuck with a poorly guided sparrow that burns for a whole 2 and a half seconds with a drag coefficient larger than your average german mains mother and well, your subpar at best in terms of toptier effectiveness.
In defence of F104, it also faces Mig21s that go just as fast as that plane and has 6x all aspect 30G missiles while it has 2x AIM 9Bs and no flares so even for that plane it's all f*cked up. Not even mentioning F3H and Sabres and F8U breaking it's wings etc, going through rank 6 USA was probably the most boring and miserable experience I had on this game.
The biggest problem is bombers like the f105, b57, b29, il-28, tu-14t and tu-4 Why is the f105 at 10.0 facing all aspects that it can’t dodge and it has 0 flares and no air spawn, should be at 9.3 B57 losing its speed after dodging a missle then being missles again or being gunned by 4 aircraft that can’t be outran Should be at 7.3-7.7 IL28 and tu-14t facing missles make 0 sense because they do not turn at alll and can’t dodge Should be at 7.3 B29 at 7.3 makes 0 sense, who cares about payload, it can be shredded by one bullet or a missle, 12.7mm literally doing 0 damage It should be at 6.3 and not see a missle again Tu-4 needs to be at 7.0-7.3, only because it has 23mm It is ridiculous that these things face air to air missles
I think the que times that Gaijin keeps perpetuating is just a front to their actual laziness when it comes to individual balancing of the vehicles and their respective tiers. Best thing that can happen rn is to inform absolutely everybody playing the game to avoid all the planes at this br. I wonder if AB actually sees more use from people with these aircraft, but who knows. Arcade can burn in hell for all I care. RB is far more rewarding and engaging when you take the time to learn that much I know. Albeit RB needs an overhaul on its own(air spawns, bomber spam, airfield camping, astronaut larpers, excessive ticket bleed, # of players in a given match, map AI, map objectives, etccccccccc... Maybe make a video on these things above? It's been done before sure maybe, but the more the merrier on it plus I think yours would be a great take and maybe would mention interesting solutions. Cheers!
I don't care how bad the platform/jet is - if you have Aim-9L's or the equivalent then you should be 10.7+BR. Will this ruin the SU-25 and A-10/A-6? Absolutely, but it will save the BR range. That's a trade the players should be willing to make. And let the A-10 and SU-25 shine in GRB.
Gaijin: Sure. Now grind five times more RP and five times more SL to purchase this beautiful jet that went two ranks above without getting a BR raise at all.
The sagittario it's also in a very bad position being at 9.0 it gets outspeeded and if you go in a dogfight your engine is too weak to be able to make recover all of you speed in a few seconds , instead it takes minutes, or you just get bullied cause they know you are a threat
Yeah, as a US player, fly F104 to chase and fire the poor AIM-2B, but for SU25K, just face you and the all-aspect msl would get your down. When you finally get a flight with flare, F8U, your wings just broken for 10.1G, and I almost forget this thing has flare, still use maneuver to get ride of msl
This would suck, if you thought about this for more than the 5 seconds it took you to post this then you'd realize that it would take forever to que at certain BRs. Especially if you are queuing in a squad/with many nations in the squad 2+ (maybe 2 majors and a minor nation). God forbid you're a naval player. Apologies if this seems blunt but when people make dumb suggestions to a game I love and don't want ruined bc of non-thought out ideas foolhardily posted on the internet to forge the minds of the unknowing average player, it makes me upset.
@@statemonster What br range would it killed ? And squading with multiple nations is a choice that already leads to longer queue times so who cares if it's even longer ? You had to take the 2 majors plus 2 minor as an example but who does that without knowing the queue time are gonna take forever ? You seem super cocky would you like to share your in game name to see what kind of player you are ?
all the way from 7.0-12.0 the br's just to compressed, spitfires can meet 9b carrying jets in uptiers, and this problem just continues all the way up starfighters fighting 8.3 subsonic etc etc.
its a real shame.. it could be the BR that has a great mix of gun fighting and missles, but its basically just devolves to "ok... guess im gonna fly low with some bombs or grind AI" because a fighting chance is literally impossible against some of these planes even with middling pilots
Planes without countermeasures shouldn't face planes with missiles that pull more than 20Gs. Unless they are planning to give countermeasures on every plane from 9.0 and up. Historically accurate or not, it balances things a little. I'm grinding the French tech tree and on rank 6, the shit hits the fan because you are flying jets that are hardly supersonic, but you can face A10s and Su25s while flying the Etendard, the Super Mystere or the F100D. Basically you are dead. On the other hand, the A10 and the Su25 are viable to fly in the air RB, because they are fighting such power crept enemies, otherwise, no one would buy them because you wouldn't be able to kill anyone. They would fly away from you and flare your missiles.
Gaijin thinks that a rocket palne from the early 40s should go up against super sonics with IR missiles, the battlerating system is a complete joke. This game's balance is completely broken and they should honestly start over with it.
Yeah... I've been flying a decent amount of 9.0 ish BRs and I know I need nothing more than luck to avoid middles. I think the best luck I had (all be it a month or so ago) was to take something like the F104A and take the head on with something like an Su25 and just spam the full elevator + rudder😂
The 9.0 - 10.3 range will remain fucked because Gaijin needs to keep the little premium kids interested. Imagine that you take the flareless planes away from all the Su-25/A-10/A-6 players. The resulting amount of crying will probably cause a second Genesis Flood. How in the world are they going to get another kill without facing planes that can't defend themselves? Unfortunately, Gaijin constantly cathers to shitters, because they are the ones that spend the highest amount of money in the game...
Like the saab 105 meeting 10.0 vehicles like j35,a10,mig-19/21 that they have afterburners,fullaspect missles, flares/chaff yet 8.7 has none of that Especially stock its completely and entirely unfair and is the reason i give up at 8.7 as i literally cannot progress
Kind of. Until you realize you play against A-10's with a fuckload of flares, your only good missiles are IR guided, and their missiles are basically top-tier missiles, and you can either pick guns or flares
@@TheByQQ with the R-13-300, i go up high, way above any A-10 or Su-25, and snipe high flying F-104s with my radar missiles. With the SPS-K, i equip an R-13M1 and an R-60, fly up high, and pick off low flying targets that don't see me
as someone who just recently got to the super mystere at 9.0, i completely agree, ever since my 8.3 plane ive been having max uptiers way too often, so much so that after playing the 9.0, ive quit the game, its not fun at all and most matches are a slog, as im going to see the f-104 and etc vehicles every. game. its not worth it to put myself through this just to get the 10.3, this br has entirely ruined my want to play the game
I love these vid where the creator complains about a plane/br etc but still manages to do far far better than I ever do on my best games. I'm lucky if I get a single kill most the time.
>be me >clueless >fly f2 sabre on the launch day of the SU25K >nail 2 with my guns, almost get a third >eat a front-aspect r60m >tfw it was 9.3 on launch day
While Gaijin could to a fairly straighforward BR spreading of this era of planes, there's another factor to consider. I feel like there's a large time/role disparity within this BR range due to Gaijin's lack of interest in reworking and extending the options for bombers. Of course bombers aren't very dynamic, but they should be in the tech tree up to about the early 60s, where of course the nuclear triad moves to nuclear missiles. The reason why I say this is that so many fighter-like aicraft in this gap are interceptors or fighters with a few examples built before an early retirement or cancellation due to that change in the paradigm of warfare, but Gaijin only has a few examples implemented before going more or less straight into Mirages and Thunderchiefs.
i absolutely love playing the listed br's. esp 8.7-9.0 planes. BUT!!!!, there is still definitely a compression issue that needs addressed. theres always going to be planes that are basically unplayable/unenjoyable. the biggest issue is 9.7 to 10.3 currently, the disparity between planes an weaponry is absurd at times. they should implement a sort of br lock, where for EXAMPLE..... lets say its at 10.0. make 10.0 basically a new bottom tier. think 1.0/reserve. this way they cant go seal club planes in 9.0/9.3 lobbies with all aspects/much better flight performance etc. because they are locked to a 10.0-11.0 match maker. meaning 10.0 could not be down tiered into 9.7 etc. then you just move some planes around. an yea, adding another full br or two 13.0-14.0 will help with that aswell.
The Swift F1`can be put in a match against an F104, hell in my own Swift F7 I find myself in matches against MiG23's and even one against a Q-5L which I thought wouldn't even be possible at 8.7 And don't even get me started on what they did to the Vampire (the UK one (8.0) not the Italian one (7.7) despite being the EXACT same plane)
BR compression is not a problem, its a desired outcome to ever so gently push people into spending, be it premium account or premium vehicles. And then render older premiums/top dogs obsolete.
Honestly I feel like Gaijn should ERA lock at certain B.R's, Not historically accurate lock but more of just locking between reserve - 5.0 5.3 - 7.0 7.3 -9.0 9.3 - 11.0 Just as an example, ive been playing since 2014 and ive been through all of the ups and downs but right now the game needs to be changed and hopefully fixed as im tired of the current gameplay loop of unfair BR ranges. I am ABSOLUTLY okay with waiting an extra minute or two just to get a better match
Well that's the fun part - you don't. Fr tho, im usually one of the guys to say git gud and just learn how to corkscrew a missile, but i legit don't think it is even possible to do that in a suffering mobile such as a vautour.
Gaijin need fix veichles, like Put MiG-19PT in 9.0, Put MiG-15 in 8.0, Put the MiG-21F-13 in 9.0 or Give it the R-60, Give Su-22M3 the R-60M/MK (cuz its 10.7 with normal shitty R-60) and give it 60x or more counter measures cuz its a n Attacker not a Fighter, i dont play other nations do i cant tell
If you think the ariete is in a sorry state imagine its underpowered brother the sagittario 2 everyone can outrun, outclimb and bully you without a sweat...and i mean it, i tried once and i couldn't catch an harrier ON A 3KM DIVE almost breaking my wings. Is THAT bad, it feels like being in a swordfish vs 6.0 superprop.
An actually way to dogde, or maybe is better "not to get shooted" an IR missile when you face an undertiered bullshit (Su 25k, A10A, all the rest) is, before he shoots to you his missile, when yo see he is approaching and an confrontation is inevitable, at around 6km turn your throttle to 0 and then press (as default) I to turn off your engine, when you do so, R60Ms are unae to lock on you while 9Ls do still but at 2km s, I tested it already with both a sabre and other top tier jets. With this try to evade the A10 but you are free to clapp that ass of that Su 25k
