Warcraft 3: Lordaeron's Destiny 11 - An Uncertain Future 

Hey Jay and folks, Footman16/Besregar the map creator here, for potentially the final time (until I release another campaign), I just want to say a huge thank you for Jay giving this campaign a chance, it's been very enjoyable hearing his commentary and feedback and as Jay says it's important people don't take feedback or comments personally. I also don't think the apology at the end was necessary, as a long time fan of Warcraft 3 I'm glad you're willing to play and share these playthroughs with everyone on RU-vid and you help to keep this game alive. Watching his playthrough the last mission could definitely use some tweaking, there are parts of it that are weak such as the Val'kyr side quest which are just bad, again the intention was to force the player to explore and move out and the reward is a measly Crown of Kings, I hadn't thought of it but a gold/lumber reward or some free units might be the way to go and would definitely be much more rewarding and valuable to the player. Another thing which would probably be a good idea would be to give the player 3 heroes and let Istan join, that way you could split all three up or group them up or just give the player more choice in general in how to approach things; it would also make the mission easier. The attack waves can definitely be tweaked down a bit as well as the map overall is clearly too difficult. Conversely this does make towering more and more effective at trivialising the difficulty but it's a trade-off and one I'm willing to make if it makes it less stressful, as the goal should be pressure and challenge not stress. Those air waves that fly against Istan are not meant to engage, they're more just meant to be there as part of the larger battle with Istan's forces however making them not attack the player could prove tricky from a design perspective. The World Editor is not always the easiest tool to work with nor does it sometimes allow mapmakers to do things as they would like. A big example is the AI, whilst we do have direct control of the AI functions how those AI functions work is pre-set and so it can make some of the AI behaviour unchangeable or random. The original idea for this map was actually more of a tug of war with each of the outlying bases being an area either the Alliance of Forsaken could control and depending upon who controlled it they would rebuild a small forward base in it. However technically this would have been beyond my skills and storywise would be unsatisfying since you could basically control the city but you still lose in the final cinematic which is something I hated in other games. In terms of feedback I am 100% going to take Jay's and other comments on board, the purpose of these long form comments is more to just give an insight into the behind the scenes of the map-making, my thoughts when making these maps, intentions etc so that you can judge them from a perspective of "what was intended" and "what has gone wrong". I can't say when I'll get the time to update Lordaeron's Destiny but when I get round to it I'll definitely take this playthrough on board since I think Jay gives a very good look at how a relatively experienced but new, fresh person will approach each mission. For example, the final mission's intro cinematic needs to make the idea behind the mission a lot more explicit on things such as the free units you can obtain by exploring some of the side-alleys etc as well as the main objective: fighting through the middle. I do see a recurring comment about expansions in a lot of these videos lol, some of the maps do have expansions: Landfall and Breaking the Wall. But as stated in a previous map, the problem with expansions is you don't want to make them essential otherwise the problem becomes: when does the player take an expansions, when should the player take the expansion etc and this creates a whole raft of other issues for balancing so whilst I can appreciate that having an expansion makes resource management a lot easier and more comfortable I think it can be detrimental in other ways and besides there's plenty of Blizz base maps that don't provide an expo either a big one being the Culling :P When it comes to balancing and testing I just want to remind people that I'm just one guy, with a job who does all this in his spare time, Lordaeron's Legacy took many hours and Lordaeron's Destiny took many, many more so please just keep that in mind as I don't have a team and my time is limited. For example, right now I'm working on another campaign (I've got someone testing the campaign as I go this time) as such that's where my focus is and only once it's done will I be able to go back to Lordaeron's Legacy and Lordaeron's Destiny. That said, I see a lot of really passionate people here in Jay's videos who are extremely passionate about the stories and campaigns of Warcraft so I would wholeheartedly recommend making your own custom campaigns if you can, it's a great experience and highly rewarding. I've learned a lot over my time from map design, 2D art, 3D modelling etc just to make resources for these works. I see tons of cool ideas for missions in people's feedback and I'd love to see some of you guys put it into practice, as I thoroughly enjoy playing other people's Custom Campaigns as much as I enjoy making them. I'd also like to say a huge thanks and shoutout to the Hive Workshop who's members have provided this campaign and others with tons of awesome resources whether it be models, skins, spells etc and in particular to General Frank who went out of his way to fix some models specifically for this campaign without even being asked. Also a huge thank you to Kasrkin who's feedback after the campaign was first released helped to fix a HUUUUUGE ton of bugs that used to exist in those early release versions. So yeah it's been a journey, I always get nervous seeing people's reactions to my works and hoping they'll enjoy it but again I just want to say a huge thank you to Jayborino for his time, passion, commentary and overall effort that he puts into helping to keep Warcraft and the RTS genre alive! All the best folks, Footman16

Sorry for sparse uploads, it’s been a busy time lately. I ultimately applaud the mapmaker for working towards a map that is truly stressful on a knife’s edge, and that goal is incredibly difficult to land. Honestly, the optional quest might be the only thing I feel needs changed here (or maybe some other means of income), it seems pointless like the farm one on a previous mission and it wastes very precious time. If there’s an in-game reward I’m not sure what it is and I honestly can’t tell if the first comment I saw saying there’s a true ending hidden behind it is a troll or not. Either remove it or at least add a resource bounty for killing them.

Literally just remove the Orks and this map would actually be doable by humans

The fact there's no expansion base on this map is kinda nuts. I think a lot of this guys' maps lacked places to expand to.

Just remember: Blessed Scepter (reusable healing scroll) is an optional item, and you do not need it to win. It is completly, 100% optional and there is no world in which you would need to have it to succeed. Nah-ah. If this map was extensively tested my question is - did testers had items on King (it's important) Candor and Pyraleus? Because it sure feels like a YES, since I can't see a world in which the waves can be defended by item-less King Candor. Oh and also - After destroying your base the horde kind of gave up and stood where your base was. Oh also 2 - Ishtan seemed more than capable of defending his base against attack from Horde, upper forsaken and flying forsaken forces at the same time. Like what the heck? He could solo this mission with how strong his defences are..... Edit: I know I sounded very offensive, however as someone who tried (and failed) to complete this campaign without cheats, seeing Jayborino say out loud some of the things I thought myself just kind of pushed me off the cliff into PTSD, I mean there is only so many times I can fail a mission before it becomes excruciating.

Ok so having read the mapmaker comment on how its supposed to be played from last vid - here's why i think this map is clearly flawed and it showed in Jays playthrough(s). Tldr of his comment is - you are supposed to be on your toes, orcs and undead have growing attacks so they act as invisible timer (~30 minutes if you dont help allies, more if you do) and you are supposed to have a group go through the middle and kill the heroes and the main lady while you have some defense at home. And the attacking group gets the free reinforcements which are allied. 2 problems here - invis timer is even more frustrating than standard timer and its still a timer. And timer missions are infamously annoying cos you can end up in a situation where you lose with very little time left. Which almost happened to Jay since he basically did get his base destroyed and couldnt reinforce at all. Invis timer has to be very explicit in cinematic imo and also make sense (why exactly is orc attacks growing in strength?) Secondly - on what income are you supposed to have a solid defense and a decent attacking squad? You start with 0/0, peasants take supply (and if you want to tower spam you probalby need at least like 8 on lumber and 2 for repair, that is 15 supply in peasants) and the "op" unit costs 12 and is not nearly good enough vs air to be able to deal with growing air waves unless you get like 3 of them. The economy you get just doesn't allow you to get to the point where you can actually feel your base wont get destroyed (and even if you did it will be cos maker made the "kill waves" so bullshit that they will kill you but its not explicitly stated) to get aggressive. And to his comment its not map maker syndrome and map has multiple ways to play - no this map is explicitly a single way to play map. You are supposed to go down the middle and defend from orcs. You literally cannot do anything else - orcs are spawned, side bases are invulnerable. Its just not explicit enough that its the case. there are other issues that make it even more murky (the optional valkyr probably shouldnt be outside of main path cos it makes you waste time which you dont really have, how much should you help allies is basically impossible to guess on 1st playthrough). Theres also just some plain bad design (never give charm to enemy if player is supposed to have a small group, charm is almost uncounterable) Generally imo if you want a timer map just make it a timer, invisible timer is just annoying cos it is basically impossible to convey to player they are on the timer and its still a feels bad where you lose while you were close to winning. Just drop it as "enemy reinforcements arriving in 30" or stb so player knows they need to get going. Also either make income higher (via 2nd gold mine, making peasants no food like Arkain or simply giving player like 2/2 to start or sth, even starting at castle, just give player free tech why does last mission of campaign start at 0/0 its so much lumber and gold on upgrades) or [heavily] nerf the orc part (or at least provide player turrets there already, cos its gonna get turreted anyway), imo they should act as niusance not an outright loss condition. If you as mapmaker say you tested waves to perfection to get it on knifes edge, its very likely will end up being mapmaker syndrome, epsecially on macro map, cos you simply cannot predict what type of stuff and resources a player will have at certain timings. there simply is too little leeway on this map imo.

FINALLY a WC3 vid after almost 2 weeks, Miss the gameplay only Arkain btw

52:49 - I felt that one with the bottom of my heart.

I think jay did a great job with resource management between upgrades and units. I’m even more glad that even though everything was going down hill he managed to get the win in the end. It just shows his level of skill and management.

Legends say that Pyraelus is getting bored to this day.

We're so back! I hope Coco is doing okay. Also really think the map maker should rebalance this map. It's crazy unfair.

Yeah, the ramping attacks from both HORDE and UNDEAD is way too much unnecessary pressure at quite a time constraint with limited time and resources before it snowballs If it's possibly a tug of war scenario, the Horde and Undead are certainly tugging more than the humans can in this. I think a singular gold mine with just this much pressure is a bit mean honestly.

Anduin Lothar would be soo proud of Candor for sure

You did it! Good job jay

Nothing's wrong with all that you did Jay. It's just that this whole campaign and the other one before it was really meant to mentally torment you, or any player for that matter. This campaign really has that mapmaker syndrome or that kind of "difficulty junkie" kind of mentality with making this. It's been mentally exhausting and physically draining watching through the gameplay of this entire campaign that had I played this myself, I would have lost all my patience and composure and simply had cheated right from the very start. So yeah, don't be so hard on yourself, you did pretty well, you did what you can as best as possible. Mapmaker just really had to fix things, and FIX A LOT of things in this campaign. Glad he's here and clarifying things though. Still think he's gone super overboard and overkill with this one. Feels like you're playing with someone who's into Soulslike games.

Super Advanced Masonry is called Imbued Masonry.

Holy 10 hells, was this a rollercoaster of a mission. If there was the time and place to start cursing like slav(at the stubborn enemies, that is), that plague barrage was one(from the look of things, seems it has a cumulative effect akin to a spell from dota game(s) called shadow poison which deals DoT the more you stack it or activate it with enough stacks for a big dmg burst). While only land valkyr were considered bodyguards, the flying ones could've been quite the nuisance so kudos for killing them too(boss only had 4 base armor iirc). Ultimately, Jayman - you did it, you won the mission, that's what matters, and only blind would complain otherwise(and whoever delights into see you get tilted/go pizding, is no fan of yours). Win was also the perfect timing to give praise to the deity(in english would be d or c(in italian too, if not mistaken), and in slavic would be k instead, meaning certain appendage) of the most stubborn and determined of ppl. Again, well done, and get some well deserved rest.

Hello Jay: long time lurker here! I love watching your videos and i think one of the first few videos I watched was you showing how to get the achievement for the Terran epilogue mission (the one where you can’t use the drill laser to protect Kerrigan). While i consider myself to be a good rts player, i needed to rely on you and your skill to figure out how to beat a hard rts challenge, so i view you as a skilled/expert player. So i share this to add context to what i have to say next: if you find something hard or difficult in blizzard RTS games, that means i consider it to be more challenging to me and other players both casual and average skilled. So for this video where you are visibly struggling and could barely beat it, I wholeheartedly believe this would be impossible to beat/attempt for myself and others at my skill level or lower, and probably wouldn’t even give this a try at it’s current difficulty. While I like watching you win and don’t want to undercut the effort and passion of the creators, I will suggest that perhaps for future games when custom campaigns or maps become this challenging to maybe call it a day after giving it a fair attempt? Like at the end of the last episode, I would not have blamed you one bit at the end of that video if you just ended it with a “Well I tried my best but I think at this point I am ending this here” and then gave your end-of-campaign introspective. I enjoy watching your videos and enjoy watching silly and fun videos, so if you are not having fun then I can say that (at least for me) i don’t want you to keep on not having fun. P.S.:Also want to say that I am sorry to hear about CoCo and hope she feels better, as she is an amazing puppers

Followed you through this campaign. Still no word about re-reforged path of the damned or chronicles of the second war human campaign coming out anytime soon. Looking forward to whatever comes next!

YESSSS JUST ABOUT TO SLEEP AND SAW THIS , LEZZ GOO

i love the mental break down in this mission, jay just used old tactics while this is super easy mission, just use full air assault and use the entire air force all this time while heroes do defending till you cut the spawning chain then go full assault on enemy

5:03 Well, whatever it was before, it's super advanced masonry now!

I feel bad for saying this, but I do enjoy Jay's reaction he gets more and more tilted. But yeah this mission was unreasonably hard. Congrats to Jay for beating this mission and the campaign. Overall the campaign is really good, but really suffers from severe mapmaker syndrome.

Srry to hear about coco hope she feels better.😊

Let's goo!

Is is just me that finds Jay's passive-agressive comments to his AI allies very entertaining ? OTOH sometimes I'm worried that the maps that tilt him this much will make him quit showcasing war3 altogether

I miss your warcraft videos on your jayborino channel and also your other videos, you're going to start putting your videos on your channel again every day except the weekend warcraft 3 starcraft 2 playlist pliz

Any idea what is the music playing during Battle of Andorhal (not the star wars music at the end)? It sounds familliar, but can't really say put my finger on what it is.

28:40 can’t you use one Silver Hand Knight to lure them away then turn on Divine Shield?

this is painful to watch, my condoleances jay

Huh so the last attempt on the previous video had made me think it was actually much more doable since you had made a lot of progress just after too long (meaning the Horde and Forsaken could overrun the bases) but this seems to disprove that? I dunno, it seems like the AI both allied and enemy performed differently, with Koltiras being much deadlier and your allies not defending as well. That will give you a lot of unwanted variance when you take into account the Horde still presses really hard. On the topic of expansions, I honestly think the easiest fix is to go the Arkain route (in missions such as Lord of the Clans) by simply giving you two gold mines from the start. The other fixes are kinda harder since it depends too much on AI, outside of just removing the Horde attacks which I'm guessing the creator wouldn't want to do. I'm also very curious as to what you gained from helping the Farmer guy, I figured it would eventually come to something but it just didn't happen. In this case the idea of killing the 10 Valkyr was good to get to explore but with everything that's happening you're either not gonna bother unless the reward is great or unless it's an actual main objective, it kinda does feel pointless like Jay said. Other than that I really liked the campaign, I wish the ending had been more gratifying after all the work put in (by both Candor and Jay lol) but I guess the creator wanted to leave an open-ended finale to maybe future installments. That's for another day I guess. Peace!

Try to slow them and use polymorph

More jay! rage more! Fuck it All! That was so funny 😂 even I got stress watching, although it seems that in the end the enemy either let's up or the friendly a.i turns on because realistically you should have lost, so I think there's is like a safety Cushion just in case the player gets fucked?

Oh I heard them, they said it couldn't be done, but he's done it!! That looks almost as difficult as Radahn phase 2 :') Hot take: I feel that upkeep should be removed from single player campaigns straight up. It's important in PvP for decision making, but against a computer with infinite money and spawned attacks? Get that thing outta here I'll be missing King Candor "The Based" who's not taking orders but SUGGESTIONS from the player, and Pyraleus who___ speaks in weird. Disconnected..... ways

You have to kill all 10 Valkyries to unlock the real ending

Hey Jay, i suggest that you try warcraft 3 re-reforged version for lord of the clans next video. I saw it on other RU-vid channel a week ago

I'm glad you uploaded this one. xD I could forgive the entire campaign... But not that last flipping Map. God Awful. Giving Jay a hard pass on this one.

아서스왕검은뮈죠 좀그럴듯한데요 ㅋㅋ

Hey Jayborino I've been watching your content for about 5 years and I love what you do but for god's sake pls turn back healthbars on I beg you

For people saying this map is unbalanced and it needs a rework, I actually think it's an ok challenging map though. What I do have to comment though is that he could have taken more advantage of gunships cus around 7-8 gunships are actually quite enough to go into offensive themselves with the help of their summon skill. They will literally obliterate enemy forces/bases. Still, nc playthrough though it's just that your ally bases were destroyed and it is actually possible to keep the northern first line of defense intact. 😊