Here's a thought on the paradox stuff. What if the zaramian crew are the tenno. The void just essentially deaged their mind and body. The whole hunting party could be their old selves trying to take back the body.
I was wondering the same thing... The crew BECAME the children. Or at least the "strong" crew members were given this power/immortality. Like selling ur sole the devil, or drinking from the Lazarus well lol
in real life and in games, one must understand that unless you are the one moving the pieces, you are just a piece on the board in someone else's game, no matter pawn or queen. even then, sometimes the other player can get you to do what they want even though you sit across from them. there will always be a bigger fish, and you won't know you are a frog in a well unless you hop out. *takes off tin foil hat* all that aside, great video. im loving your content
7:36 What about Steel Meridian? To be honest I prefer that, after the Apostasy, the Tenno did what they were awakened to but without Lotus: Protect the Solar System. For example, in invasion missions we choose a third option which is to defeat both factions (crossfire) and thus free that node from grineer/corpus control (except for small remaining groups to justify that we could do some mission there).
I'd love to see it evolve into a full out war between Tenno and Sentients and they use Natah to taunt us, and then it hits a tipping point and we become so enraged were thrusted out of our frames and boom, Duviri Paradox.
More thoughts: The Lotus must have void powers. How else could she hide the moon? Even Alad V remarked on it. She must also have an immense amount of void power. This can also explain why she was targetted by the man in the wall. He sees her as a threat. Also it had to have been him who messed with her minds or through his influence on the orokin help create the technology that makes it easy to mind control her. With the incredibly power the sentients have of adapting, there's no way some simple reformatting of their hard drives/memory banks would enough control the sentinents. Especially one at her caliber. However... you have to wonder where Little Duck got her tech to scan these "kill codes" and then upload said codes into the Murexes. Who the hell supplied her with this knowledge and tech? You can't just hack and figure out sentinent technology/biology like that. Alad V barely could do it with his Amalgams. So how? God! So many questions!
Dont forget that the greener just made a new type of immortal enemy, I'm hoping in upcoming rj updates they add a lich meets sentients cutscene or something
I have an idea for a long term story where the tenno and the sentients become allies after the new war and then the grineer and possibly the duviri or corpus become allies. Or what if the orokin are hiding and they come back. Maybe they are in the tau system, maybe they are the higher ups in the ranks of the grineer and corpus. I don't know, these are all ideas that just came to mind.
@@superhopy3676 well to be fair the kuva queens were origninally orokin twins that eventually got into grineer body via repeated transference. meanwhile the corpus themselves are descendants of the orokin, with alad v being hinted at to be an actual orokin of unknown rank
I'll stick to my theory that the lotus is a key to a super sentient weapon , maybe it has something to do with the void , maybe the sentient are trying to recreate the jade light
@@MICROKNIGHT3000 a prayerful weapon the orokin used to kill people , it's so powerful people who die by the jade light disappears completely, without any way to restore them
Think you might actually be overthinking it... Rather than the Void kicking everyone around from behind, it seems more likely to me that it's Ballas. Consider this: Natah might not have simply turned traitor because of some psycho magic kids. Instead, she, a machine created by the Orokin, was reprogrammed to serve as a CnC/mother figure for the new warframe pilots (who definitely weren't experimentally thrown into the Void by Ballas). Oh, and just happens to be modeled after his dead wife! Remember her reference to the Maker's Light? Betcha that's an effect that Ballas used to rework the Sentients' base code. Anyway, she then orchestrates a massacre of all the Orokin (except Ballas, who somehow survived), and puts the little murdery muchkins down for nap time while the whole system basically goes to hell in a hand basket prime. Some time passes, the Tenno wake up when shit is entirely wrecked, and begin to put things to order. Under the Lotus's guidance, they begin to destabilize the dominant powers... Almost like they were getting things ready for someone to swoop back in and take over! But there's a hitch: the Sentients are coming back. And then suddenly the Lotus, after being literally walked away by Ballas, throws off her shackles and is suddenly ready to rejoin the fold! And they take her back in, because she's all better now! Even better, she captured a Maker. Better keep him safe for some reason, rather than just executing him, and don't worry at all about the Paracesis thing. Whatever, don't worry about it, fellow Sentients! Natah is aaaaaalll better and ready to lead your armies! Something's a bit off with Natah though; maybe exposure to the Mother's influence is breaking down some barriers that some long-armed folks would rather see stay up, so wow, check it out! Erra's back and definitely not dug up from some grave and reprogrammed to keep Ballas safe and keep Natah on track! If the Tenno manage to beat back the Sentients in the New War, I'll bet you Nef's swingin' codpiece that Ballas will survive and fade back into the shadows for a bit. I'm betting Ballas has been playing the long game for a while now. He wants to be the sole power in the system, with an army of enslaved Sentients or Tenno or whoever's left standing. He's just always in the background, nudging pieces all over the place whenever shit gets shaken up.
Thinking about it it's TRUE because when the kuva queen try to play with the operator brain she took his frame an all his powers like the beginning of the quest when he relerd his abilities an few memories that's how he got in control it's always been that way
Soooo there's a possibility of Wally being the Darth Sidius of Warframe, manipulating both sides of the war to finally emerge victorious in the end above all, makes sense. About Lotus having a doppelganger too, not sure, cause what you said got me thinking on another topic... Which is, is our doppelganger visible to the outside world?? Think about, as far as we know, every single time we saw Wally could pretty easily have been inside our heads (which would also give viability to one of the latest theories you had of the zariman fiasco being all inside Tenno's mind), that said, every time we went after Wally (on the apostasys) every single time we start the mission alone, not a message from lotus, not even Ordis who never misses an opportunity to say stg, as far as we know, all those journeys could be inside our mind
When Ballas ir anyone in the warframe universe calls the tenno, void demons... i kina gotta agree, There immortal Near Godlike Mass murdering mercs with spooky ghosts haunting their brains while their fake 'wolf in sheeps clothing' mom manipulates them
I say has anyone noticed the lack of not seeing our evil twin reappearing as often has he use too since activating the finger on the railjacks 🤷🏽♂️ bc i personally say the man in the walls got the tenno mobilizing blindly to attack the sentient armada it’s like the wall Man is trying to pin the 2 power houses to destroy each other and then control what fragments remain of them to control and remake in his ideal vessel 🤷🏽♂️ idk i was think a lil
The only reason I doubt the void is controlling the Lotus now is because it wouldn't be "funny" the man in the wall seems to want to enjoy our genuine reactions(rage, confusion, fear etc).
The big thing is, you can't fight The Man In The Wall. If he is truly our enemy, then all is lost. He cannot be killed, cannot be stopped, and cannot be denied; he is a God, he is a dimension given life, an energy given a mind. Shooting at his appearances is as useless as trying to kill the air with a gun, and just as hopeless. He cannot be fought, so we'd best hope his end goal, should he even have one, is not malicious to us or we are truly doomed.
Once again, I'm still pretty sure that my morality thing being perfectly balanced is going to be a good thing. Maybe it'll give me a chance to work with the grineer/corpus when the new war happens or something like that. (Just focused on Ballad saying we're killing potential allies which I think was the lotus/voids plan)
Always wonders who's voice DsIEGE reminded me of... then it hit me. Tom from Toonami LOL especially when he says "Bye" at the end, like how Tom said "Later" at 6am when Toonami ended. Serious Toonami vibes lmao I always got so sad when I was lil... And I do now at 30yrs old too when DsIEGE's vids are over 😅✌ weird nostalgia
I have an idea/theory about the stalker and Rell. What if they are warnings about your choices, the stalker a warning about choosing the dark choices and Rell a warning about choosing the light choices. I think it fits with that diagram TheDsIEGE showed us in some of his vids.
Personally I thought Stalker was just like Umbra. In fact if I remember properly, people datamined or something to find out his body in the code was called Umbral Excalibur.
When TheDsIEGE drops a video I drop everything else ... almost. Well, I AM thinking about what the video contains WHILE I do that other thing so ... effectively the other things are dropped intellectually.
It is Natah that is controlling Margulis, thus acting as the Lotus. It is impossible for the sentient Natah to have survived in the Void on the Moon (Lua) before the Second Dream, where the Lotus was based in. Natah had control over Margulis through the helmet from a distance. During the Apostasy Prologue, when Ballas released the Void blast that disconnected the helmet Lotus had on from whatever connected her, Margulis regained her consciousness, free from Natah's mind control and she called Ballas by his name as if she was shocked to see him since the Jade Light, Margulis thinking that he has already executed her but Ballas had saved her from the Jade Light. During The sacrifice, playing the Vitruvian, there was a scene where we the players would see Natah, but without the human body. This tells you that the empty space inside Natah was meant as a container of a human body (in this case, it's Margulis body) as we know that sentients do not possess any human qualities whatsoever. Yes, Ballas gave Margulis to the sentients to use her against the Tenno. Margulis is alive. I repeat... Margulis is alive. Back in the Apostasy Prologue, Ballas first appears saying "Forgive me" with Natah replying "For what? I am not who you think I am." implies that Natah already knew it was Ballas when she sees him. After Ballas releases a Void Blast which disconnects the Lotus's helmet from something, the Lotus specifially calls him by the name "Ballas" as if she was shocked to see him. Before that, Natah already knew it was Ballas when he first appeared by apologizing. The question is why the Lotus, after Ballas released the Void Blast, called his name after her helmet disconnected from whatever connected her? Even then before Ballas releases the Void Blast, he says "Of course you do! Imprisoned, just as SHE was." Ballas apparently is refering to another female being held captive by Natah and I believe that Natah had control over Margulis body, hence Ballas talks straight to Natah that she had held Margulis captive by using her body, therefore disconnecting the transference or mind control that Natah had on Margulis, being as the Lotus. This causes Margulis to regain her conscious and then sees Ballas and calls him by the name. Let me back this up by this one fact: The Void is poison to the Sentients. Them being exposed to it leads to their destruction. That is why the Orokin made the Sentients travel the long way to the Tau system instead through the Void (shortcut). The question that bears in mind is: How did Natah survive for so long in the Void being the Lotus when Lua was hidden in the Void before the Second Dream. Natah would have already died for so long in the Void or any sentiient for that matter. From this, obviously, Natah used someone's body. That body that we see as the Lotus in the Apostasy PL, it is Margulis body. Now you might say, well, Margulis was executed by Ballas for treason or whatever reason it might be, BUT, we are not convinced that she was executed and the proceedings of her execution was NOT disclosed to us at all. And no, the Crewman Codex is not refering to Margulis as she was not into genetics. With that being said, I conclude that Natah used some kind of mind control to control Margulis body, depicting as the Lotus. All it took to disconnect Natah was Ballas to use the Void blast, which is poison to the Sentients, from the helmet worn by Margulis.
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Another great video , I really enjoy these. But I'm a bit afraid now, for the first time Yesterday, my Demon / Doppelganger popped around for a chat, So my Girl in the wall, looked quite scary , with her Red eyes , with the speech " Hi Kiddo" was a bit unsettling, and it actually shocked me to come out of my Navigation and there she was sat, cross legged behind me, creepy. Good video and thank you.
"who are the tenno protecting with any form of consistency?" pretty much everyone in the relays, the ostrons, the solaris, just people in general not allied with corpus or grineer
I guess the Tenno are going to vibe check the entire universe so hard in the New War that we're going to make a timeline paradox. Probably Wally most affected, side effects might include the aliven't of the last Maker and a double agented motherly figure being either snapped out of existence or took care of it; Grineer and Corpus might fade away by consequences.
Anyone else notice that at the end of the war within when you get “possessed” that the background changes and looks like the void I saw the similarities comparing that background to the view you can see from your orbiter from the void
It is becoming clear that the power source of the tenno's abilites is specificely The man in the wall. The ropalolyst dialougue and the "remember kiddo, you are nothing without me" in The War Within seems to confirm it. The question is, why? Why would he grant the tenno powers at the first place? The man in the wall's endgame is the most interesting aspect for me right now, tied together with "erra"'s relationship with Ballas and what it means for The Sentients and The Orokin.
I feel like what the lotus was doing was essentially making us settle the scale of power, as she mentions in invasions. i read somewhere that she awoke us so that we could create BALANCE. Balance is a common theme too in the game, ranging from what the tenno stand for to what our allignment and alter ego should be.
Quick Random idea What if the Orokin are behind all of this? What if they managed to find out how to control or at least manipulate the Sentients to do their bidding? Perhaps to get the Sentients and the Tenno to kill each other, running the system out of people who could oppose them? Erra appears to be alive despite the fact that he really shouldn't be. Every time the Lotus questions anything about her memory or her history, he always plays it off or tries to divert the conversation to something else or almost acts as if he's pulling a random explanation out of his ass. Like someone is controlling him and trying to play the Lotus' reactions by ear and distract her from trying to become aware of what she's doing. When the Lotus claims that the Tenno are listening, Erra just tells her to let them. Like he wants us to know their plans which is obviously a major tactical error unless he has something else up his sleeve he's not telling her, OR he isn't Erra and whoever is puppeteering this fake Erra is trying to play both sides against each other. When the Lotus tries to question how Erra survived she is forced to the side and made to call to arms. When she does, Ballas looks up almost with excitement. If the Tenno stopped the Sentients before then why would we need a Paracesis to do it again unless either the Sentients have something up their sleeve or the Paracesis has a secret behind it. Perhaps the Man in the wall is the one trying to help us see that we're being played like pawns destined to die to make room for those who feel themselves superior? Just a random thought. Not too much evidence backing it up outside of speculation and interpretation. This could go so many ways tbh.
We are lost children doing what we think is right but... have we ever really known what is right? Until the paradox is flushed out and we can truly learn more, we will likely just continue floating about without true direction of our own. I believe the paradox will solidify our own paths or at least make it more apparent that we need to do so. We could still see a War that splits the tenno into factions. That would be the biggest shake up to the game thus far.
Margullis was killed by the jade light. So maybe there is a Margullis Cephalon. And maybe it was on the cipher you get in the sacrifice quest (that would explain the nearly-female like voice that ordis has for a while after using it in the ship)
I agree with "The Man in The wall" being behind the manipulation of Lotus in some parts of the story. However, is it possible that this is the voids revenge against the Orokin? Heres my theory. When the Tenno turned on the Orokin and destroyed them clearly some of them escaped. Power now lost, they spread themselves out across the galaxy looking for a means to reconstitute a new Orokin Empire. This was to be done through the use of Kuva and the Unim in Cetus. However, the threat of the Sentients and Tenno is still present. So to address this, they look to destroy the Tenno through use of the sentients. But who can rally the sentients? Natah. She can do it. But first she has to be set free from her initial brainwashing enter (The Sacrifice). Sadly, things didn't end the way it was planned and now Natah is riven. She is confused. She is Mother (Tenno), Destroyer (Orokin), and Liberator (Sentient). All the while the void itself, wants revenge for being manipulated by the Orokin for so long. The Orokin think they are gods, but the void will expose them as false. This is why it comes and goes an intervenes selectively.....only when things need a little push. The Tenno are children of the void, the are the void. As children the void is their parent (father), Lotus is their parent (mother). Cetus place a major role in the Orkin plan to reconstitute power. I am just wondering how the Tower itself plays into this.
So this maybe somewhat confirms that the void does have its own agenda is its trying to quell anything from posing a threat the new war could just be the first step for the voids control to spread further pitting every faction against one another or that natahs' power could possibly lull the entirety of the solar system to do the voids will and natah is just now starting to realize that the void can warp her mind just like the tenno it far fetched though only time will tell
i feel like what's gonna end up happening is we're gonna potentially end up bartering with the Sentients to bring peace and the reconstruction of the origin system given if we did kill Lotus we'd have to find someone else to send us on missions outside of the syndicates because if you think of it the speculation with the Sentients was that they reached Tau and realized that the Orokin were gonna destroy that system if they were to come so the Sentients struck first but with the Orokin dead for the most part (potentially) the only Orokin descendants are the Tenno and Corpus mainly i see the Sentients potentially forming an alliance to eliminate the terraforming that the Grineer and Corpus keep doing leaving the only problem being the Infestation
After watching the video where you covered the dark/light and neutral dispositions and reading up about Aion do you think we will see more of that through characters like the lotus? Maybe the reason she wasn’t in control during the cutscene where she appears to be controlling the Tenno is because she is in that light disposition where she is all ego. Giving the man in the wall more control over her. Idk about you guys but I want to know more about this guy.
At the beginning of the video I was like "wait is that warframe...? Nooo... NOOOO IT IS." I respect the choice to use different songs! There's a lot of great music out there :3 (Also, I'll leave this short and sweet. When the lotus initially betrayed us I had thought that something wasn't right and she didn't simply "switch sides" And a lot of the acts that showed her turning was a bit forced to put her at the center. Then at the latest cutsene with ballus (I don't remember how to spell his name XD) and Errya? (Lotuses brother. Look don't shame me on my inept ability to spell xD) but when they turned on the lotus he released ballus's leash, and he stood up right... So I do feel he has some pull on what's happening.
@TheDsIEGE if you have played Octavia's Anthem, you should remember how it is stressed that Sentients and "music" don't get along very well. Unless that's a statement made purely to justify the quest itself, and assuming it carries some meaning lore-wise, then all the sound-based frames could be keys to unlock more answers.
Plot twist: The Man in The Wall is our dad and the lotus is our mom. Tenno have void powers, it is clear to me that Natah did not create the tenno, maybe she only served as the womb? Maybe a deal with the Man in The Wall secured the safety of the children of the Zaramon. In exchange now the Lotus must hold up her end of the bargain. (Edit: by ‘womb’ i don’t mean a conventional pregnancy, I mean perhaps more of a ‘container’ maybe with The Man in The Wall’s help maybe she was finally able to bypass her sterility and become the Lotus/Mother of The Tenno.)
It honestly feels like the man in the wall is intentionally keeping everyone battling each other. He took away the Sentients' only princess/queen and gave it to the Tenno. The Orokin lost what little control they had over the Tenno who just wiped out their entire society? That seems pretty insane and extreme at the same time. A bunch of unorganized kids couldn't have done that, especially with Ballas and others knowing how they function and where they are stored. Maybe I'm behind on my lore but anyway... to my point! What if the man in the wall is making everyone fight each other because he fears what would happen if all the factions worked together. Imagine if the Sentinents and Tenno actually worked together. A sentinent warframe would be on a whole other level. Currently all frames are made of infested flesh and nanites I guess right? Well what if it was sentient flesh, the ever adapting harden bodies that can survive anywhere... even the void.
The thing that confuses me the most about all this is that Ballas gave us the paracysis but also seems to be on the side of erra. Like do they both want the lotus dead? I mean it's makes some sense seeing that she betrayed them. Maybe this is all a plan to make the lotus be killed by the children she loved the most as some sort of revenge. Or maybe Ballas isn't working with erra and want the tenno to kill the sentients while tricking era into thinking there on the same side
The Tenno are murders and genocidal mass murderers as well. We committed genocide of the highest order simply because 7 people decided to kill our adoptive mother and retaliated by killing every orokin we could find and the few that we couldn't find body swapped into none orokin bodies(the grineer queens and possibly some corpus as well). when we were awakened we had no memories of this which probably means that either we got mindwiped from cryo or that there were no memories to actually remember and something took control of the Tenno entirely. the Tenno's role in the system however seems to just be equalizers and we murder anyone who does anything to upset what the lotus would call balance. alot of the missions we go on the grineer or the corpus are up to no good and we murder everything in the local area in retaliation.
I think that when Ballas killed Margulis that the sentinets re created Margulis changed her identiy to Natah.Think about it... I think the reason why they took Margulis body is cause she helped the children to control their powers and had a big influence on it. And the sentinets saw a chance to use sentient Margulis against the children.
no not close in theory but my theories is A. Lotus forgot who exactly who she is but memories been suppress down because of ballas did something to her to convert her old forum B. Lotus has her program split like scatter in memories that she tries to remember the broken glass memories she tries to recover for it is like amnesia that ballas decided to hit her with the baseball bat. For I don't think Lotus doesn't remember at all which is strange that why she refused to try to remember it all but remember some for I think and believed that Ballas figure out how to suppress memories before she is been taken. As we think Lotus pointed out that Ballas is a maker that means that all sentient were in this one or do they think and follow this command about this which what goal or reason this turn out to be which had a flashback about the paradox which what ballas' goal is really on this unknown plan which it could be possible behind the mask for all that child who sits in the palace could be the MITW or another version we may speak about possible if ballas had obtained the power of the void.
I had no indication that the Lotus "coup" in that cutscene was meant to take place in the past. I figured it was current day Lotus/reactivated Natah coming home.
Hunhow is Erra, erra was killed by the tenno blasted by the void, but hunhow was still out there looking for something but who new that he find a empty shell that was Erra body. also teaming up with ballas
Another theory I like to think of is what if that girl the lotus saved from her brother happens to be little duck and if so who or what was she her helmet said dax but anything is possible right
My theory is that Margullis is the real space mom. She's still alive within the helmet and she's what changed Natah to become the Lotus inheriting her love for the tenno (that's what they refer to when they say she was manipulated by us). Right now erra is controlling natah, she clearly has her memories erased. Anyway Margullis will be the key to bring her back
I'm gonna say this before I finish the video, I would like them to have a story of us trying to free the lotus from her past and make her become a new form. I think it'd be cool to have her basically finally become fully free.
As I've said before, I really believe Ballas isn't all bad. From what we've seen he is a really confusing character. Remember when we recieved the paracecis? Why did he give it us? And how was his "perfect death" ruined? He also confused Lotus with Margulis, and we all know she was executed because she sided with the tenno, so is he really evil? or is it just a misconception?
Unrelated but have you been in the large room with the coffin like white structure in the middle? Unique audio plays in there and it sounds like snoring
@@kubuki6469 I think in umbra's case, the operator became the warframe more or less. He is still a person, but twisted so far that at this point he mostly just a weapon with sentience.
Hey man, since your the theory guy, i wanted to show you something i found, i was walking on the dojo and found a bug that leads me to a black square room, with a floating galaxy square, that has a circular planet (not a sphere) and 1 (or 2 unsure) orbiters there, i mean its really weird, and i couldn't figure what is it lmao If you can, awnser me and i'll tell you how to get there :) (i also have video recording it)
Sometimes it confuses me for ballas because this man literally gave us the paracisis and now he is working with erra(or hunhow) is he playing good guy or is he just doing what is good for natah because she reminds him of margulis or is this man really bad and he just wants the destruction of the tenno
