Warhammer 40K Armies People HATE Playing? 

The reason I enjoy playing Tyranids is the following: - I play Guard. Its the most fun matchup in terms of mechanics, and thematics. - They have units in all weights, which makes the army very dynamic. From tiny gribblies to giant almost unkillable monsters. - Same variety also means that each weapon actually has a place against them. Lasguns and low strength low ap against hordes, mid strength and mid ap against medium infantry like warriors, heavy against monsters. It never feels like im wasting a weapon shot against them. - Their playstyle that is mid range --> melee is super fun to play against. And the synapsis linchpins are a fun mechanic. - They dont have gotcha rules. - They dont have super high saves available on basic troops. Even if you dont kill a lot of points, the fact that youre taking models just feels nice. - It feels like you can always find an in-lore reason to battle them. So it makes each battle a mini story of its own.

So far, i dont hate playing against armies. But ive found players id rather avoid.

I love the look my opponents give me when they see me unpacking my eldar army when I arrive at the game. Then they quickly realise that I suck, so its ok.

I’ve heard a lot of people whine and complain whenever I play the Tyrannofex, claiming that “It’s way to good at killing tanks.” Honestly the second my nids could compete against heavy armor people started complaining. Seems they got used to our helplessness against vehicles and were in for a rude awakening 😂

I think people like fighting Tyranid because more than any other army I feel like losing is thematic.

I'm still personally of the belief that to end the debate of knights being a 'real' faction is try and add the surf/peasent army for knights, and introduce dark mechanicum into dark knights. Maybe have detachment(s) that still help with all knight armies but also support a mix of knight and smaller chaf units.

The biggest trend I see is that it’s fun to kill models. When an opponent can just tank your damage phase and not lose much, it’s just not fun

Auspex Tactics, thank you for mentioning, "The player on the other side of the table makes so much difference than the exact army they're playing." I mostly play with my one friend, but he's basically a master level player. I'm probably somewhere between beginner and intermediate. I have never won a game against this friend, and we've played dozens of games, but he's a very good friend and helps me learn how to play better (gives me tips in-game!) so a good time is always had by all. We always like to hang out and discuss the game afterward! So despite my consecutive losing streak, I keep collecting and playing with this friend. So indeed, it is the players that make the experience moreso than the game, I think, at least for live versions. I sometimes wonder how it is to play 40k digitally. Either way, thank you for mentioning this wonderful element of the game, the other player.,

I think this is why im happy im a ork player. I go in with a, "i have no idea whats gonna happen, but im gonna role lots of dice or die trying!" I dont win normally. I just like charging toward my enemy and seeing how far i can get and laughing at the funny outcomes.

Oddly enough the "worst" army for me to play against is whichever one my opponent brought😅

I think it's less of "armies" that are less fun to play against and more of a player issue. I've played against gunline armies had fun because it was a friendly game, and I've played against disorganized armies and had a miserable experience because the other guy was just an awful opponent.

I really hate playing against Space Marines but it’s because the player in my group always conveniently forgets his rules and likes to try to bend things in his favor.

I really don’t like ‘gotcha’ armies that have special rules that break the game that if you don’t know about before playing the game you essentially just lose.

I played a bunch of matches against early 10th Eldar lists, so I’m pretty fine facing anything nowadays lol

*Hits blunt* "Hey, here's a fun army to play against, three wraithknights."

Lists which are intentionally crafted to prevent engagement/interaction from your opponent, which are almost always skew lists. Knights, "Jail" lists, etc.

The 'shooting barely does anything' when on custodes was so true for me. An entire shooting phase that basically did nothing..... and then I charged and made the mistake of forgetting they counter that too and make you pay(Pre-codex) ya custodes definetly up there as an annoying faction for me.

It's not an edition of 40k if people don't say they hate playing against Eldar. Most of the people I talk to usually cite fate dice as the primary reason they hate them, but now apparently Sisters are 5th most liked. Big "Our glorious miracle dice" versus "Their unfun fate dice" energy.

as a Dark Eldar player, we are accurately placed, right on the cusp of being annoying but not quite there (probably because there's like 3 of us lol, along with the 2 dudes that play the Genestealers)

Happy to see people enjoy playing against the only army I'm collecting right now. Orks are fun!

I don't think people like playing against nids because people are newbies .... that feels like a weird jump to me. Everyone I know likes playing against them because they're a very 'traditional' narrative enemy. Like starship troopers - kill the bugs type vibe. Like it's just very fun to pitch your space knights against quintessential alien bugs

Every army can be a challenge when their "thing" is done well, but by far and away more annoying than that is "that" sort of player. The "win at all costs" sort who can make any game be a boring grind of unfun tedium.

as an greater good enjoyer, i would like to see my faction become a true xeno empire, with several playable races. They literally have unlimited potential: you can create Halo-like brutes focused in melee, more vespids or kroot, and they already have psychic races in the empire. GW can pull whatever they want with the tau empire, but they don´t (i also like to fill the air with bullets tho)

Surprised sisters are so highly liked to play against

That's unfortunate, but understandable. I play Death Guard, Chaos Knights and a wee baby Necron army in the works. I love CK because they are easily some of the most fun to build, paint and look at. I get why they can be a raw stat check, but it's also fun stomping around. Granted I don't play optimally because I hate War Dog spam, and I love my Bigs out there.

Never hate the army, just the player

I find the hatred towards knights and custodes so fascinating from a gameplay perspective. Itd be interesting to see what armies people specifically play themselves when voting what thier most hated army is. I think peopel dont admit it but a lot of players think they are experienced and skilled and when they get stomped by knights and custodes, they assume the opposing player is almsot using a cheat card. People seem to forget these armies have glaring weaknesses which keep them from the very top. They are elite models and 40k is an objective based game. Eapecially now, neither knights nor custodes are as scary as they were in the beginning of tenth. This applys to aeldari as well

As an Eldar player, there is something I find interesting. Obviously hate for factions largely revolves around whichever ones recently had stupidly OP rules, and on that basis Craftworld Eldar objectively deserved some hate. There will also always be people who dont like the inherent playstyle of the army. But what I find with Eldar is that a lot of people really, really hate them for their lore, which is far more unusual - and confusing for me, as that is what I like most about them.

I think it's telling the "most favored armies to play against" are the ones typically considered easy to beat. So many people hate being challenged it's pathetic. Now, I'm not saying that's the only reason, some people here put it perfectly in the other direction: they like playing some of them because it lines up with the theme of their own army and makes an almost cinematic battle, that I applaud.

Man like everything i wanted to do is on the not fun list lol. I just like guns and mechs. I aint mean nothin by it.

Imperial Knights are absolutely amazing The kingmaker book made me love them I really want ether a drop keep or men at arms infantry

It’s so fucking funny people just made their minds about tau and don’t care if they’re strong or not, they just internalised that tau are hated so hate to play against it

Tau player here, and I have an idea for a new gimmick. Seeing as how every single person has really really hated literally everything we've ever done (Jump-shoot-jump, drones, really big guns, etc) I have this great idea for a NEW thing that Tau could do to make them good without pissing everyone off: FUCKING MELEE. JUST LET US DO IT. Like seriously why not?!

Me, an Aeldari player: "....here we go again"

I’ve seen a noticeable increase in my Blessings of Khorne rolls the louder I yell “FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!”

Knights feeling like a stat-check is really in line for playing against them. If they go first and you are not in complete cover, whatever's visible is getting deleted if it's smaller than a tank and if it's a low terrain board 1/3 to 2/3rds of an army getting deleted in one firing action does kinda suck.

Honestly I find it's player skill > than the army itself that dictates people's enjoyment. Playing against someone who knows their army inside and out, it's strengths and weaknesses and how to best employ the former while preventing an opponent from exploiting the latter. You're going to wallop anyone who isn't of the same level in most games. An example I'll use from personal experience is my Tau. I know the army inside and out and most opponents come at them with a 'I just need to get you in melee' mindset. Which granted; sure that is their on paper weakness, but knowing the army like I do; I know how to screen effectively, apply their movement and ensure you will never make it successfully into melee without paying dearly for it. Oftentimes this leads to opponents getting caught in the midfield and being utterly crushed. Instead now I play other armies that I am less experienced with and reserve my Tau for people who are specifically seeking to challenge that army knowing what it's capable of. I tend to get closer games this way which is more enjoyable for everyone involved.

People don't have any opinion on World Eaters at all I guess 😂

I play knights and it got very tiring for both my opponents and myself to play with the stompy bois. They are a stat check army, either your opponent can deal with them and will do so by turn 2-3, or they cant and you will reliably shoot them off the table. When that sort of dynamic becomes apparant, people will just pack as much anti-tank into their army as they physically can, and at that point you have just wasted your time playing the game. They are very good looking models, but are not healthy for the game as a standalone faction as they are now

As an Aeldari main, I'm very conflicted between feeling disappointed that my army is so disliked to play against, and simultaneously a wicked sense of glee that it's so far down. I personally don't play very "skewy" lists, as I dislike that whole powergaming mindset. I think a lot of the current dislike of the faction comes from some early edition, hyper skewed lists that were obscenely powerful and rightfully nerfed into the dirt, but some of y'all ought to start taking into account that for the past 4-5 months or so, Aeldari have been on the lower end of 50% winrates, and falling ever since. If you still feel like it's some kind of unbeatable, never fun to play against army then it might just be a you problem.

I sometimes get a bit bored of Space Marines if that’s all I seem to be playing against

Knights are great. Turns are pretty quick, not too many rules, and actually fairly simplistic. I can see how playing against them could be a feel bad moment, but they aren’t invincible, right?? Buy and paint 3-4 knights and have a great time…

People like playing against weak armies or what they can kill. You can pretend as you want, but you( community and players) want to see enemy models off the table and not scoring points. Points just digits, enemy models are blood and ashes. So it is vicious circle. Maybe wombo combo melee armies are good in this case. Coz melee player can blame only himself for playing not optimally.

Something I always thought was weird was that the tau in lore don’t just gunline it, they utilize high mobility units along with slower support units like broadsides. And then I see players just stay still and kill anything in two salvos like it’s the 1,600s

Yep. I'm IK player and 3 out 5 friends with whom playing at TBS just don't want to play against my army. Just because of T10-T12 walkers. "There's only one way to play - tailoring or suffering" or "It's impossible to play against ur freaking walking tanks!" they say. And I'm sure that in our narrative play" they'll kill me first or just ignore all around the game

Guard have simple mechanics really. Most of their buffs and strategems are used in their turn and are straight forward. Their basic troops are easy to squish, their tanks are tough but manageable. There's some other faction vehicles that are normal that have almost as much shooting as a Baneblade.

I'm putting together a Kroot army right now, I wonder what people would think of playing against them? I'm guessing most people would be happy to, for the novelty and also because they're kinda like watered down Orks or Tyranids 😄

Knights is my favourite army to play against, I won every game this edition :D

Just based my last brigand for 12 dogs and 4 nurglings list. Let the hate come. My local meta has everyone bringing the strongest thing…but we still get along and haven’t had a bad game yet.

My roommate plays Tau. Oh every unit can ignore cover? And everything has at least AP2 with no cover save? And there's no range limit to spotting? Sheesh.

Seems to me, that people don't like playing against strong armies in general. Everybody sounds like they want to be the ones coming to the table and plow through hordes of easy enemies.. yet they themselves avoid bringing strong units... For me personally I love the challenge.. bring the baddest, strongest most OP army you have and I will try to overmanuever, overstrategize or-whaterver you..

Weird thing for me is, I can imagine some people just hating playing against the one same army, all the time, and blaming the faction, in part, for having one ideal way to play, and thus having to fight that every weekend. Back when Necrons basically were all HCL, teleporting around C'Tan, or Ork Meganob spam, and it's just what's there because it is what's meta-popular, and your friend found a list. I say that because I can imagine someone not wanting to play "Bob's Golden Banana Boys" again, but considering hoe expensive 40k can be to collect, and the time sunk into assembling it, many players might only have feasibly one army, with mostly one way they plan to run it.

I'd have much prefered Knight if the codex had been written to be a proper force, with support troops choices to give the army other ways to fight. I like my BFGRs, but I can understand if people think my armies are a bit one note.

I love the bright lances for elder using them on fire prisms is hilarious

The new Bringers Of Flame detachment for Sisters is very fun to play casually, not very fun to play against competitively. I run them myself and enjoy the punching-up ability they get, but when I play someone going for a 'competitive' slant on the list, if they get turn 1 with even half-decent deployment, they're shooting you off the board before you can do anything about it.

What still can’t understand (after 40 years) is why in a game that has a Sci Fi setting that guns are so unpopular, and there has always been a melee bias. To the point where the only faction that forgoes melee is unpopular because of it, even though it’s impossible for them to field an efficient viable melee contingent. Have I missed something?

The worst I've ever done was playing a match against our local Catachan player in 3rd edition who was complaining that nobody would play against him using the jungle rules. I had to proxy the army because there was no way at the time that I could afford it. It was an Iyanden army. You can imagine how it went.

People complain about knights because it’s easier to have a sook online than learn to counter an army that’s naturally skewed. I find things like (pre nerf) ironstorm infinitely more oppressive than knights

Here's my complete list of armies that i hate playing against. 1) Any army I lose against. 2) Refer to number 1. 3) This is a joke losing is part of the game. Git gud.

Seems like people want to play against armies that start on the board and run at them without being too durable

I don’t have any armies I don’t like playing against. I just like playing. If I had to pick though I’d say admec and gsc only because I’ve never played either one and I have no clue what they can do. The game would be long for me cuz I’d be learning as I play.

I don't really like playing against either variety of Knight EXCEPT for a couple games where I think the "Knight" player was secretly an Inquisition player in disguise because they were maxing out their Imperial Agents henchmen option. Those were fun, mainly because I could actually kill stuff, and because they could actually contest my objective play. Very nice. 10 out of 10, would play again.

My local group hasn't really picked up tyranids in 10th so I'm so used to playing against 40 mortal wound maleceptors from 9th. They all sold off their nids once the winrates dropped below 80%

I hated fighting index sisters, because there were situations where you'd literally just not shoot, because it was unlikely that you'd fully destroy the unit, and giving them the buff just wasn't worth it. That and being forced to fight a 20 point crusader squad with like 300 points of models was just awful.

i think theres nothing worse then being a new player and going against custodes as one of your first games at the gw store. 2+, 4++ and t6/7 on basic infantry isnt good for the game.

Why does everyone hate the Aeldari? They have been nerfed into the ground and put out smaller armies than space marines, but are very squishy.

I disagree with it being the necron's "Whole thing" they are the unending undying legion. their reanimation makes sense, the invulns make sense as they are literally living metal. but the FNP and damage reduction is NOT or SHOULD NOT be a necrons thing. the problem I have with necrons is that they do Guard and death guard better then they do. un ending bodies and tankier than the army who's ACTUAL thing is to be very durable yet have maybe 1 extra point of toughness and have maybe one model with a FNP?? and it wasnt until recently that DG got something that made them remotely durable and Guard even got their reinforcements nerfed!

Me watching this as a an Imp Knights player 💀 (also planning on playing around with Chaos a bit, just to spice things up) I actually lose more games than I win oddly enough but that’s probably because I’m new to 40K and I don’t have many knights and I’ve been playing more Horus Heresy than 40K lately and HH is brutal if you don’t have a MASSIVE army

For me it's the Aeldar. Mainly because the most experienced player in my friends group mains them. That army always seems to have a counter to whatever I am doing. "Oh you hit me with a tachyon arrow? Im gonna use this 4 I rolled earlier for my invul" "Oh your deep striking? Free overwatch" "Oh you moved within 9 inches of me for a charge? Im gonna walk 6 inches away so you cant charge now" "Oh I hit you with a bright lance. Im gonna use this 6 I rolled earlier" "Oh you got precision? The unit is T7. Good luck wounding me" "Oh no. Im out of 4s, 5s and 6s. Im gonna turn this 1 into a 6"

I genuinely dread going against necrons every time I walk into my store. No matter what I do, I finish up with one, maybe two units killed to my entire army being floored by turn 3. I've tailored lists and swapped tactics around to try and have at least a semblance of a chance, but when half of what I destroy gets to revive and the other half is dealing 24 devastating wounds to me, there really isn't much I can do. I don't want to just refuse to play necrons because that's super lame, but I at least want to have an enjoyable game that doesn't end with me being swept under a mat.

I'd love for the big knights to get some points cuts so that Chaos Knights are more varied in what works. Bumping up wardog cost would just drop their options to have support, but getting a titanic that is work the cost means that you would actually want to sacrifice a few dogs. I mostly play casual 1000 point games thought so maybe having a single knight works somewhat when it's a 2000 point game but I feel like even then I'd rather have 3 wardogs than a knight. If something other than the abominant got closer to or even below that 400 point mark they would feel more useful, especially with some of the other hard hitting tanks out there for other factions sometimes being 250 or 350 points for insane weapons and tankyness for the points.

Imo the worst in 10th to play against were Custodes (pre codex). Not sure about the most fun, but it's definitely not Tyranids for me. As I play both factions whose army rules are affected by Battleshock (Tau and Guard), the inconsistency in GW rules pisses me off to no end (why are specifically those 2 are affected and no others) and playing agains Nids just reminds me of that. Especially Kauyon felt terrible because Shadow always got popped on turn 3 and more often than not neutered the entire turn. Also, of course I'm a bit biased here, but I think the dislike of Tau is more historic than anything, because I don't think they are even in the top 5 most problematic armies in 10th (maybe not even in the top 10). Heck even Guard was more problematic, before they dumpstered artillery.

So Knights is the new Tau? Interesting... I wonder what nerf will they get in the new codex?

But is also very boring and repetitive when everyone plays space marines.

I've got back in the hobby with Thousand Sons. I know they are perceived as overpowered, but I enjoy playing them and like them visually and am happy with my painting on them. I play at tournaments and enjoy the game at that level, independent of my own success, and I am usually very upfront with certain things that might catch my opponent off guard or they might not be aware of. Still, whenever I show up with my army, the usual reaction is some kind of annoyed eyeroll or comment in that regard. So, while I really like my army, I get negative reaction based on them and whenever I win, there is some level of imposter syndrome going on. I'm thinking about getting into a second army, specifically that people like playing against. I thought about orks, since that has been the "fun to play against" army for as long as I remember, but I don't like them visually. I am surprised to see Tyranids up so high, that might be a consideration for a second army, as I like how they look a lot.

I enjoyed playing against Orks recently. I play imperial guard and run non skew lists, so i have an tough time against World Eaters players who typically admit their army doesn’t function without Angron, who will turn one smash a lot of my best stuff, die and then return with a 400+ points refund for the army, and it can happen multiple times despite guard reinforcements being a one time thing now doesn’t balance out that swing much. Another challenge is Votann who make a mockery of a lot of targets. They are a fun army to see on the board, but the ability to mass shoot a bunch of dice, some with anti vehicle 2+ into a super heavy, hit on 2s and wound on 5s with their weakest mass firepower is a lot to get used to. My main opponent is a Votann player however so I’ve sort of become used to it. It’s still fun to play both, but each time it reminds me why I’m glad I keep out of the more cut throat tournament scenes, as opposed to the friendly games I usually play in.

The moment I saw this I knew as a Custodies player, we are hated at lot… I mean I’ve had a few people be like “yeah no I’d rather no play if it’s against your army” and friends say they really don’t enjoy playing against Custodies and can’t wait for me to have another army.

This is why I’m happy I play astras. No matter how much the meta changes and which armies rise and fall typically I can put something on the table that can hurt anything on the other side

I only play against an Aeldari player. Phantasm and Fire And Fade are the bane of my existence.

I like playing Necrons I do not like facing 6 units that have 4+ invuln, t11, 5+ fnp with regenerating wounds and insane damage outputs when I'm fielding 1 unit with that kinda profile

So I've been playing for about a couple of months till now, and from what I can tell about fighting certain armies, one one hand it's the army itself, but on the other it can be the player themselves that don't make it fun. I have had many times I've played against someone and had a good time, cause we're just talking to each other about the hobby, making jokes about the situation and in general just having fun. I remember playing twice against the same guy who plays space wolves, and he was pretty chill. Another time recently against Sisters of Battle, and a Black Templars army that had some nicer dust effects for his tanks. and don't even get me started on how nice it is to see a Imperial guard army that's painted so damn well, which is why I like asking my opponents if I can take pictures of their armies and share them to my friends and family to show their talent. These people made the hobby feel nice. But then there's the other side... Before I begin, I will say that I mostly play Necrons, though I don't have much of a serious list. Just pretty much got models I enjoy, like the immortals, a full unit of Skorpekhs and a Lord with them, and even Illuminor and a Doomsday Ark (still don't have a c'tan yet, though I do want the Void Dragon, though I kinda want to save up for the Silent King). Won't go through the whole list but you get the idea. RIght now I'm trying to figure out and play a new army since I want and like variety, currently being a big Tyranid list over 2kpts I've been building up, along with a 1kpts Thousand Sons list I'm wanting to practice painting with. There have been a few times I've fought against people that either are just boring, or their army is just not fun to play against. There is the custodes player that when I first played against, the army was so frustrating to fight. Nevermind that one unit that Deepstrikes and has a save of 2+, and a tank on one health that just wouldn't die (that was more dice luck I suppose? But still.) They also had the audacity to complain about horde armies, and how he was glad they can only heal once with stratagems cause they seem 'bullshit' to fight, whilst he plays an army that lore-wise is literally hopelss to fight against cause they're op as fuck. I did end up winning, but I was so frustrated, salty and tired, it didn't feel like a win at all. Then there was the Aeldari. I never realised how bad their Fate dice could be until I faced it myself. It's so stupid that when you finally hit their tank, that one shot can just end it, and they just pull a dice out of their ass and say 'nuh uh'. Just removes the whole 'the dice tells story' thing, cause they can just do that shit. I only won cause they underestemated me, and my Skorpekhs. But don't even get me started with their boring attitude, especially after charging him with said Skorpekhs and he says ' actually, you can only use the 3 at the front'. Fuck you. If I'm charging you, they're all fighting. How stupid would it be if an ork unit of 20 got a charge, and they said only that one ork model can fight cause the others are 1 inch away? For the record, I don't care if that's how it's done in competitive, this is casual play. Hell, I'd even say to my opponent as well it's fine to have all that unit in the fight, cause it's fun! To hell with GW's boring rules (not implying I don't like to follow the rules, but when it's just dumb shit like that, I draw the line.) But the worst one out of them all, was against this Imperial Guard player. Just to clarify, I don't hate Guard armies. As I said earlier with the painting of them, and facing one of my pals at the store with one, I LOVE the Imperial guard, gameplay-wise and Lore-wise. But my god this guy's list was just... So I usually set up my army at the side whilst I'm waiting for my oponnent to arrive, or just in general so I don't have to struggle getting them out when I'm deploying. When he arrived, he had at least 2 boxes with all of his IG stuff (he wasn't gonna use all of them of course, it was a 2kpts match). He also mentions that not far from my town he mostly goes to play competitively, so it's obvious he's way more experienced than I am. Of course not that it's a problem since I've played against more experienced people before, though they're usually just chill and bring a casual list. As usual I bring every Necron model I have cause they're literally all I have, by the time we've deployed all our units, his side was almost entirely tanks. He had at least a mortar team camping behind a building where an objective was, and as well had 1 infantry unit or like 5 guys (don't remember what they were, but they definitely weren't Guardsman.) So pretty much a pretty competitive list. From what I can tell, he looked at my models, and brought out what was good against them. I could tell cause I saw what was left in his box, and there were a bunch of Kriegsman and other infantry units. So basically it boiled down to me trying to shoot something, just for it to do nothing, since almost all of my list only had at least -1 or -2 ap, except for the DDA, Doomstalker and Lokhust Heavy. It wasn't even turn 2 where almost everything was killed. Warriors? Gone. Skorpekhs? Gone. Immortals? Half a unit. Just s shit load of tanks still alive and camping an entire half of the board. I was already annoyed and miserable, and I knew how this was going to go, so I conceded since I didn't want to give him the satisfaction of a real win. You can say that's 'toxic' but to clarify I don't hate losing, but when it's something like that, it just makes the hobby unbearable to play. It's horrible when all you play is casual, and some competitive sweat comes in and floors you, and has the audacity to say 'i'm playing for fun'. I'm sure you are pal... I even talked about it to others and how frustrating it way, but all I got back were things like 'it's just toy soldiers' and 'it's just how it is', just pretty much making me feel like I was just some kid having a tantrum, and that I just have to deal with it cause that's how the game is. Which almost drove me away from the hobby at how these people were just fine with that type of behavior and play style. It was that match that made me realise how much I hate 10th compared to the other editions I looked up. Just fishing for 6's, lack of flavor and boring list builds, though that last one is mostly the player issue itself. It made me realise how the only reason I enjoy 10th was because I wasn't even focused on it when I played with people where we were having a good time. But when you're mainly focusing on the match, that was when I didn't enjoy it, winning or not. But maybe I am the problem, idk. But in conclusion as I said before, I think it really does depend on who you're playing against, and their attitude in general. Cause you can either face someone who's chill and has fun, making a new friend you can play against and talk about the hobby a lot, or face competitive sweats who build annoying lists and are just boring to be around, making you not want to play against them and driving you away from the hobby. Apologies for the long ass post, but I just wanted to get out mu thoughts on this topic in general.

People have hated playing Thousand Sons for 20 years, although the reason changed. Back in the day their having 2 wounds (which was very rare) but not having much of an additional cost to them made them horrendously tanky.

Knights and Custodes. I hate stat check armies, because they require no strategy to play with or against, only if you have the right tools. Meltas against Orks is suboptimal, but you can win. Boltguns against knights is game over.

Lists like this don't really serve any other purpose than to reinforce the same prejudices and possibly make new players feel bad for choosing the "wrong" army. Like, oh boy, sub 50% Tau win rates - only reason to fear playing them now is either PTSD from games you played several editions ago or you just use crappy terrain setups.

I would love to see your take on how Daemon Allies would be best to implement, especially for Word Bearers. I used to love the MoP's incuresion spell and summoning strategem back in 8th

Back through late 5th/early 6th I was probably one of the more frustrating players in our group to play in (Tau). I utterly refused to try and counterpick my opponent (lists could easily go months without anything more than minor tweaks) and would happily run the same lists vs orks as I would vs grey knights, or eldar, etc. On the other hand, in any points scale below 1500 points there were 0 units that weren't either vehicles, crisis suits or units embarked in transports, and even above 1500 points it was a few small units of pathfinders and broadsides while the manouverable aspects of the army still continued to grow. As the Tau codex got older and older (especially late 5th) playing into the old cover saves for tau vehicles to make them hilariously resilient at range, and allow to function as extra LoS blocking for crisis suits and just deny the enemy a chance to engage on their terms via hit and run and picking them apart.

There is a necron player at my wargaming group that uses the ctan nightbringer (and is also generally annoying) who struggles to find anyone who wants to play against him

Apart from the broken custodes there aren't any armies to hate

I have a very tank-heavy Tau composition which is not easy to kill. Especially since they are generally able to kill everything that threatens the tanks most right away. Also, when I got my Ghostkeel, the guy I played against was pretty annoyed about the Ghostkeel being able to just negate the damage from an attack, meaning it wasn’t worth targeting with a heavy las weapon, and instead he chipped away at it with bolters.

I don't like playing against Black Templars. They just sit there, Judging me... o.0

I’ve never liked playing Custodes, it’s just too much of a stat check. I don’t mind big knights, but wardog spam is too much for mz

Everyone at my shop disliked playing the Imperial Knights. It's pretty casual, and most of the people didn't even use terrain markers for ruins so they'd get blasted off the board by turn 2. I tried explaining to others you need to play points and use terrain to block sight lines, but even in that case it doesn't feel like you're winning even when you are point wise because of how tanky they can be.

Oh, I thought this was about armies people hating playing as not playing against.

Weird. I hate playing against Orks. Players are so fucking slow moving that many models. Also, I just find their unit and weapon names to be irksome.

“Knights invuln saves are annoying” the 5+ that’s only on shooting attacks????

Things that are overplayed: Space Marines. I'm so tired of playing against power armor.

I play knights and I can see why no one wants to play against them. Yes it isn't fun to just hit a giant bag of HP that doesn't get hurt much of the time. since I only really play casual games I most of the time don't use stratagems, or invul saves a majority of the time because then the person relies on dice and can deal good damage with many different weapons. Plus I try to help other people with remembering some of the things they can do to deal more damage. That's also why I prefer narrative games over regular ones, the stories of the games are better and it makes for some really cool moments

funny most hated armies have the "sorry but you can't do that" aspect. Grey Knights: No you can't screen or defend anything. Tau: No you can't survive or hide. Custodes: no you can't kill that. Eldar: no you can't stop me from doing whatever I want. Knights: No we're not playing warhammer 40K.

So what you're saying is that GW should make an Imperial Knights-style T'au army with big mechs, rotating drone shields, fast movement, and plenty of guns? They could even have a "Marker Dice" mechanic where they roll 12 dice at the start of a game and those dice can be substituted as a roll in any phase!

Im honestly surprised to see gsc so high. i wonder if this is a no one plays against us or just the gsc player attitudes similar to how ork players are just fun.