40K is growing ever bigger, with a big translation to screens on the horizon, there are some big issues that wont be easy to overcome - - back with Lore soon - - enjoyed this adjacent discuss, drop a LIKE - I'll look to throw in these from time to time - along with the Apocalypse stuff, some thoughts perhaps on shows Ive enjoyed over the years.
@@jonathanfasd9671 Cain would be the most enjoyable, certainly... I wonder if a realistic or cartoon film would be best, given the nature of the series.
40k need's introduction tools, not change. The problem is that most executives would look at this problem as "What can we add to the 40k to appeal to a broader audience." Not "What can we do to let broader audiences get access to our existing products."
As a new fan I can agree 100% people don't really care about fixing Warhammer it's already good we just need to make it widely available and we need to highlight all the main story books so people can get the books they like rather than just a small peice of the lore
@@Sollapoke No. Let me guess, you saw someone use the word "upvote" and want to crucify them on suspicion of being a "redditard". I don't use reddit. I don't care about the social media supremacy wars. "Upvote" is the only word I can think of that means "clicked the little thumbs up thing to give your comment a positive point thingy". Everyone knows what it means, it's easy to type, it's an effective word. Leave me alone.
In the first edition Horus Heresy answered : " WRONG ! I am Warhammer 39.763 !!! There never were 40.000 of them ! It was a all a brilliant Tzeentch's misdirection ! Now die !!!
The 5-part “Astartes” animated series got me into 40k. I’d been interested for some time but the shear density of the lore was intimidating. The series was the kick I needed. Like you said, I didn’t know where to start. I started watching lore videos, mostly yours. I’m not a tabletop game player (and don’t think I ever will be) but now I’m 20+ books into the Horus heresy, I’m playing Necromunda Underhive Wars, and I’m still an avid viewer of 40k lore videos.
As someone who adores the genres of sci-fi/fantasy/horror, and an enjoyer of lore-rich narratives, your content is (in my eyes at least) the golden standard for someone looking to get into 40K. You can spend hours pouring over the different media and never scrape the bottom of the barrel. Tackling this IP is no small task, but your videos do everything short of reading the source material itself. Your passion is infectious, and I know I speak for countless others when I say we truly appreciate your hard work and dedication to introducing people to this enormous universe. Always look forward to each video you put out, mate!
And let's not forget that there is an upcoming Amazon show with Henry Cavill as the Executive Producer! I hope that brings millions of fans to the franchise!
I have always wanted GW (or rather black library) make an actual dictionary for the 40K universe. A stepping stone for standardization for words and terminology in the galaxy. It would also be a wonder place for Tau, Ork, and Eldar languages to get their own love in an appendix+dictionary for that species.
That’s what I recommend to people jumping into Tolkien’s works. Get out the appendices/dictionaries and use them as you read along. In IP’s that have tons of characters who are alive and active across massive amounts of time (Elves in Tolkien or Space Marines in WH40K) it’s hard to remember who is who and what they’ve done. I think it would be massively beneficial for a formalized dictionary or appendix to hit the shelves so people could navigate everything properly
And let's not forget that there is an upcoming Amazon show with Henry Cavill as the Executive Producer! I hope that brings millions of fans to the franchise!
Sorry, but if you invent words for things that already have words...it's stupid. But then demons are demons...what??? Instead of inventing new words that have to 100% the meaning of a word that exists and is heavily used you should care about real lore.
I think Eisenhorn trilogy would be the best place to start. It embraces everything required. Individual characters. Characters to choose your favorites. Twists, actio, adventure. Sets the tone of the universe. Opens the doors for following stories. Touches everything.
absolutly, its a great "boots on the ground" and peek into the daily life of 40k. it would be a great way to set up the world and give people a good look at how this universe functions. plenty of ways to reference the space marines and battles that happen of screen and whet peoples appetite for more.
I think the Judge Dredd movie was also a great example of hitting the tone correctly while having over the top violence and action (typed that before i saw him say it)
Add that the actors actually cared for the universe. Karl Urban respecting the character enough to not have his face shown really did wonders for immersion.
Violence wasn’t over the top in Dredd. Visceral and controlled, if I had to describe it. "Over the top" is reserved for the likes of Transformers or any Micheal Bay flick for the matter.
I personally adore how complex and deep the lore is, rabbit holes turn into rabbit holes that turn into rabbit holes, but it's a nightmare to explain to someone.
@Tarektechmarine logical path in broad explaination yes, but I mean If you start mentioning certain aspects like chaos, the imperium, xenos etc. it could turn into a (cliche) conversation with a 4 year old with a lot of "why" after you explain one thing, then "why" after you explained the why of that thing, and so on.
@@jeffk3801 that's why we start with unification wars or rather the backdrop to that/ men of iron warp stuff, breaking of the human federation, assumed originof the emperor THEN you go onto Great crusade, then onto heresy, the onto 35th millenium and things like such then you come to 40k then you take a break and forget everything, then talk about cawl.
@@tarektechmarine8209 the problem comes in when you actually start explaining it to someone. The closest thing I could really call the storyline is that of the emperor of mankind, so following that, there are a million different tangents you could get snagged by, and need to explain. If you choose to include the little thing the emperor did where he stuffed the void dragon into Mars, you need to quickly interject with what the void dragon basically is before continuing. Then when you get to the warp storms causing the isolation of mankind after the golden age, you now need to touch on what the warp is, and why it became active at that time in the physical world. A million different tangents, a million places to get tripped up and lose the attention of the person you're showcasing it to.
The main character is not the Emperor, it is the Imperium. The closest thing I can think of is the Book of Malazan, there are big characters that feature a lot but the Malazan Empire as a living entity itself is the focus. I love it
While Star Wars was a story about characters that took place in the Star Wars universe, 40k is a universe in which stories take place. To me that's the chief difference between it and the majority of media.
Same for me as well. Started with dawn of war; then forgot about it - but somehow space marines, chaos marines and others always had a small space in my subconscious. Then the lore videos started racking up - and well, here I am, hoarding books and watching videos. :')
I was a sheltered kid who occasionally wondered into hobby stores in malls throughout the 80s and 90s, intrigued by the forbidden worlds of the tabletop games I occasionally witnessed. Obviously a Star Wars fan, and in high school I became a Tolkien fanatic. So I was vaguely aware of both of the Warhammer IPs and knew deep down they were in my future. I Played Dawn of War 1 & 2 a lot, but falsely assumed they were about as deep as the lore went. I think it was DoW2 which finally got me to look more closely at the factions, and to start watching lore videos. I binged videos about the original legions and their Primarchs, and I was hooked. P.S. IMO the DoW games are not a good introduction to 40k. They are not very accurate representations of characters due to RTS balancing concerns (which they failed at anyway). Also being stuck with only Blood Ravens sucks.
For me a big part of what drew me into 40k lore is exactly because it's not presented straight forward. I loved it cuz it felt like around every corner there was (and still is) new stuff to learn about. I really hope it doesn't get watered down too much when they push for the mainstream.
Excited and nervous for the TV and cinema adaptations upcoming. I hope they adapt a microcosm of the verse, and from there the wider scope can be sort of perceived
No1 exept Quentin Tarantino, should do anyting with this IP. hes is the Emperer of Moviekind! just he can set the true vision of the WH world. it would be a shame if it would be like those dumbass "Avengers: series, any super hero cheap ripp off, some truly creative should be allowed to do it. WH40k AINT SOME RANDO CRAP. its a master piece!
@@robertspithoven No way, Tarantino is good but he's never done sci-fi or fantasy in his life. He would have no idea what to do with this IP. His movies are all in the dialog, and that's not what 40K is about
The funny thing to me about the massively daunting lore that is WH40K, is that I love world building since I was a kid. So when I got introduced to WH40k it's like a buffet for me, just layer and layer of content and I love it. Main reason why this channel is so great for me *Lore* .
I totally agree, the lore tastes amazing and it seemingly never ends .You can dig and dig and gorge and gorge until you die of old age. Its a shame GW execs prioritize other things, for example profit (sigh this shit again) far ahead of quality.
Accessibility is one of the reasons that GW should embrace the community such as Luetin and other Lore Masters on YT (and not try to control them). After Astartes grabbed my attention to the 40K property, it was Luetin who took me on an on-going journey through the lore. Thank you Luetin and thank you to the others who produce lore videos on this amazing property.
I got into 40k by watching astartes. Then I saw some video of some guy commenting and offering some backstory in the scenes of astartes. This got me even more interested when I realised the universe was so vast. I started reading warhammer wiki and this was just perfect since any word, person or thing I didn't know about that got mentioned I could click on and learn more about. I got sucked in for 2 days just reading the wiki. I came here to Leuetin after and started watching videos starting with the stuff that I had read about in the wiki. They were a great source of extra information that really satisfied my curiosity. It was all a very natural progression and I would recommend this route to anyone not being sure where to start
I went the exact same route... barely checked the wiki but it started same as you. I have zero interest in the figurines or board games... it's the lore I love... managed to make the already horrible cyberpunk worlds of Gibson and Ghost in the Shell look like Sesame Street.
I feel like I speak for many of us when I say there's no chance I would have got into 40k lore if it wasn't for you Leutin. I've listened to pretty much all of your videos as well as every Adeptis Ridiculous podcast. I'm about a dozen audiobooks in and I'm seriously considering painting up a few miniatures. Games Workshop marketing alone would never have gotten me into what I consider a big hobby and one of the joys of my life. I have you, the Adeptus Ridiculous crew and Syama Pedersen(Astartes) to thank.
I started by looking for a name to my necromancer... back in my edge lord days, and then i found NAGASH. Then i did all the nagash lore, then the magic, started to devour the fantasy lore. Them learned about the 40k and tought this is dumb, thinking it was the future of fantasy. Then got capitured by the might and kindness of Daddy Vulkan.
You're spot on with the complexity of rulebooks... After reading the books for years I decided to build an Army a year ago. So I bought the 9th edition Rules and the Custodes Codex. Just to realize, that I just bought the 8th Edition Custodes Codex, just for it being updated less than a month later. So the cost of the Rules went from 60€ to 90€ just to have the basics...
I still maintain that Ciaphas Cain would be a great starting point. Hits the horror elements without being overly brutal while being funny and serious at the same time, not to mention it gives a good idea of the 40k universe that could be assisted with some back story on the universe at large
This exactly. I also think his series would convert to other media a lot better than some. You follow the narrative from one man's prospective (mostly) and get to be invested in the cast. Plus that tough thing at the end of the Tau planet that he has to do was a nice, "Riiiiight. He's still a Commisar, and its still 40k grimdark" Plus I want to see Jergen's driving
Cain, while fun at first would last too long imo. Gaunt’s Ghosts would be a much better jumping on point given it’s something everyone can basically relate to. Soldiers at war basic same few cast members and eventually grows into the horrors of 40k.
Cavill will be a legend if he plays Cain. I'm not sure normies could connect to 40k without a little comic relief and an emphasis on the satire elements of the setting.
It could work as a sort of Tales from the Crypt-like, with a narrator (cryptkeeper) that introduces the story from an old dusty tome or a holoscreen or whatever. And then use animation teams of high quality with Blanche as art director.
On the introduction of 40k to casuals in a movie/show, I think Necromunda: Hired Gun is in part a great example, a visual exposition over a voiced Star Wars style text dump easing the viewer into the core setting, following that the story can pick up with something familiar (frontline soldiers getting ready for battle in trenches etc.) while delivering subtle exposition of the specific setting/situation thru dialog while getting to know and care for some characters that might all die in the next action scene
I feel like Cain specifically would be perfect for a first outing. Nothing too grimdark for the wider audience, great humor, jurgen. Plus Henry Cavill would be a dead ringer for cain. I mean, that jawline, c'mon
This is what I thought. Something like the HH is just too much. A good story for a mini series would be 13 Hours. Shows just the sheer horror of being a soldier in the Imperium whilst also showing it form a very human side. Sort of like 40k's All Quiet on the Western Front. Doesn't show trans human death machines being heroic. Doesn't even show a glorious victory or a valiant last stand. It just shows the tragic waste of life and utter futility of it all.
@@firmak2 Thing is BL books, or whatever they are called these days, kind of rely on the fact that you already have at least a passing knowledge of the setting. A television show could easily over come this by reveals as the series goes on. It isn't an insurmountable problem. For instance all you would need to explain an Inquisitor is a small voice over test reveal at the start then have the narrative show the ideas as the story unfolds. Same as Chaos or Tyranids. As the story progresses and Eishenhorn carries out his investigation more details get revealed. This is no different to any other story.
I'm still fairly new to 40k lore. However I think Helsreach would be a good starting point for a movie. It introduces a number of elements within the core of 40k without being overly confusing, Orks Vs Humans. It could easily show the scale of battles and how Astartes differ from imperial guards. You could see the humour with the Orks but at the same time how terrifying they are.
@@RA-tg1dp I see where you're coming from but as Wzrd has pointed out, it's hard to ignore it anywhere. It could be solved with a small introduction to the future of mankind, it doesn't have to be long but enough to give newcomers the general idea. Either way, there's a lot of complexity within the 40k universe that would be hard to fit into a 1.5-2hr film.
"Les éditions BNF", which is the editor of the french national library, have a digital copy of all of the french classics of litterature and you can order a copy any time even for books out of print elsewere because it is printed on demand on a standardise format. It seems to me that it could be a good example for GW to follow
Luetin I just want to thank you for sparking my interest into WH40k. Starting with one of your lore videos that popped up randomly on my feed to taking your suggestion of listening to books on Audible you’ve giving me many hours of enjoyment and entertainment.
Literally the Same happenend to me. Watched the first emperor Video of luetin 3 month ago. Now i read 9 books and listened to two on ausdible. Also spend 300€ on miniatures so far. Thanks Luetin 😅
I think your anology about 40k being written like history is the best way to describe it I've ever heard. No one has ever really asked the question, "who is the main character of history?" I always tried to explain it as sandbox lore, a huge setting across a huge timeline.
I think that series like The Boys and Game of Thrones have shown that very mature and graphic content can be popular. although we can always end with another Dredd, a fantastic movie that, for some reason or another, didn't sell. Still, I would love to see an attempt at something like that regardless, as an easier entry point into 40k.
Yeah, however GoT fell as it became more and more focussed on diversity and feminism, just like star wars. 40k at its core is NOT a politically correct setting. It was never intended for the masses, and it may well be that this is the beginning of the end for the true spirit of 40k.
@@AdoringAdmirer yeah it's sad that they dropped the ball so hard at the end, but it still was a extremely popular show, despite the explicit nudity and violence. I just wish they made something with 40k and not have to just keep thinking "what if".
And let's not forget that there is an upcoming Amazon show with Henry Cavill as the Executive Producer! I hope that brings millions of fans to the franchise!
@@Dracobyte Only if those fans don't turn out to be Funko Pop collecting consoomer marvel idiots. 40k needs unapologetic gatekeeping to keep its uniqueness and true spirit alive.
I think the ideal first movie would be a straightforward, tense war movie. Introduce a newly-raised squad of PDF, and include a few nods to life as an Imperial citizen. Then have the planet invaded by one of the more obviously "evil" factions (like Orks, Tyranids, or Necrons). Make it brutal, but give the squad some serious heroics. Have the requisite Astartes show up towards the end, but make it clear that the PDF troopers are the main characters. At the end of the move (or after the credits), have an Imperial officer show up and say "Congratulations, soldiers. Inquisitor (name) has requested your service personally."
I really like the sprawling complexity of this verse, with no one main character or no one overall story. It makes it more like a “real” wold setting. If someone were to ask, “Earth, 2023, who is the main character?” There isn’t one of course. Every individual’s life is its own story. Some may be more interesting than others, but there are countless millions of fascinating stories underway on Earth right now. A fictional verse should be the same.
Agree. I think that is what makes 40k feel like a real universe compared to a most other franchises. Stuff is happening everywhere, not just to a select few.
@@Paradise2003 I'd argue that it feels more real because it's combat is so wonky, just like in reality a single guy can kill a tank, the chances of that happening when your enemy is sound is very limited, same can be said for 40k, you CAN kill a space marine, but doing so isn't easy, due to how they fight and operate. Unlike master chief were everything just seems to work out no matter what, cause "he's lucky" as a trait, you have warp stuff working in the material only because of that connection to the warp, a connection that can be used by BOTH forces. It has ground rules for every faction, every idea and possibility. I can't say that for the new cawl stuff but I can say that for the rest of the lore, but that doesn't really matter.
It might not work for everyone, but the return of Guilliman and the Indomitus Crusade was what brought me back into the 40K, so I suggest following that storyline. It might be beneficial too since I believe that with the end of the Siege books BL will gradually transition into telling more stories which advance the "current time" after 999.M41
It's a good starting point for books, because you can then branch out. Don't know how well it would work in film, but having Guilliman there almost as a "fish out of water" character helps with exposition of the 40k setting as well as giving background for the Heresy. That being said, the scale of having primarchs returning and the Indomitus Crusade (given that that also means making primaris vs trueborn a plot point) feels a bit unwieldy as a starting point.
@@samb.8134 It's fine for anybody that doesn't have a brain or refuses to understand human lore in 40k, meaning you have to go back to unification, but that's not important, just get super super soldiers from nowhere and have a single guy do it, Fabius bile can 190% do the same upgrades, I'm both waiting for it or waiting for the emperor to be called useless.....
Your videos are what I've used for over 2 years to paint and construct armies. Sometimes, I'll listen to videos themed around what I am painting or building. If there was anything I'd want, it would be more focused videos on chapters or regiments or craftworlds. I can't express through text how impatient I am for a Luetin Dark Angels vid. Lol Anyway, thanks for being around and continuing to share the verse with everyone, I honestly don't know where I'd be in the hobby without my 2 hour vids in the background.
3:38 - I agree totally. The pandemic and its subsequent lockdowns afforded me the time and motivation to tackle my ludicrous 'pile of shame'. I ended up building and painting over 800 models in about 18 months. Many of those models had sat untouched on my shelves for more than 15 years. 😟
I hear so many people talk about the lockdowns like it was a big vacation...meanwhile, despite being in non-essential luxury retail, I worked more hours during covid than I have ever worked in my life. How does one obtain a job that affords you a two year vacation to paint models? Sign me up now.
@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom I think the trick is to stop going out for two years, you'd be surprised how much free time you have even while working when you never leave the house for any other reason.
@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom meh I was working through it and still found it to be more relaxing cause we had to work exclusively from home which made things less stressful.
Anytime I try to explain one bit of lore, I have to backpedal to a previous point, and then backpedal again because there’s a bit of critical info but that itself needs a bit of explaining. My biggest hope, ultimately, is that the adaptations in the future act as a good point to start with general knowledge, history, and setup without being tough to digest.
I start with things like vehicles, then start at unification after getting the backdrop to unification, it gives a Base that I think many fans miss, you know that a limited number of super soldiers did clean the galaxy out. But of course the emperor and his sons are totally fine working with aliens instead of making them slaves, or in Corax's case there is no slavery...
I always enjoyed 40k books because it was a large series of semi connected stories. I always hated finding something I love, just to find out it was a single movie/book/etc and nothing else was ever done with it. I really started reading with the Dragonlance books as a kid and 40k seemed like a obvious choice after that when I looked for the largest stuff on the series shelf at the book store.
I got into 40k in 2007 when I randomly picked up the Blood Angels Omnibus. I read the book front to back in roughly a week while on a trip to Sandusky, Ohio. I've been obsessed ever since, but it took me a long time to really navigate and take in the lore. I'd equate it to picking up an MMO that's been out for several years with loads of expansions and so on. It becomes hard to even figure where it starts and what's current. The Primaris feel brand new, yet in the lore they've been around for more than 500 years now, or at least that's my understanding. That constant game of catch up makes getting into things like 40k very difficult. To this day, I still have no idea whats going on in warhammer fantasy and that's not for lack of trying. I myself am a writer, or at least I consider myself one, and I've read and draw upon all the greats in both science fiction and fantasy, and I would argue that Warhammer 40k is the largest and most in-depth lore available. It's daunting. It's hard. Once you've got your footing though, it really is remarkable and I can't get enough of it.
I'll also add that the 9th edition codexes getting a lot of lore cut from the books really hit hard I got into GSC and I was surprised how much was cut from the book, especially the big 2 page spread of the lifespan of the cult
CSM book took a hit as well. The 8th edition one is a lot nicer. 9th edition one has 29342342389723 stratagems. In addition to losing out on some lore, and side-faction information/art, it also lost a lot of the model diorama galleries.
I think seeing 40k like irl history is good. There’s no main character in real life. And 40k is largely the same. You can read bio books on important peoples lives. But that’s it. Every series is a bio on a characters life or events. So 40k should be made almost like a documentary, like the style of all quiet on the western front. Following this characters through these larger events.
Even in our own history, there is good and bad, all quiet on the western front will still always carry the 'Wrong side of history' vibe, people don't care to dig deeper. Hence the imperium bad. That type of thing. It would be nice to see the good of the imperium or chaos eve if we know the endpoint is not that at all.
@@tarektechmarine8209 There’s plenty good about the imperium, and you can actually understand the why of the bad after you dig deeper in the lore. Chaos is not like that, but the warp outside of chaos could be explored further.
In real life history has main characters - the old “great men of history” view. Alexander, Caesar, etc. you study them from afar, but they are most definitely the main characters. In 40K you have Big E, primarchs, and other faction leaders.
@@DAAllan82 they are all main characters of there own stories in the grander story of the world. Like how Esinhorn is the main character of his series, and Gaunt of his, Gulliman, and Angron of theres. But like in real history. All of there stories can effect each other and play into one another.
Rules getting more complex is part of simultaneously trying to make it faster to play and giving more options of how to run. For instance, the "blast" rule and how flame weapons work was to speed up from using templates, but a template is infinitely simpler to remember than the math of how many shots, at minimum, you get for any one weapon. Strategems are another- it gives more depth to the game, and allows factions to show splits in doctrine (Astartes being a prime example of this), but it's extra rules that a new player can get bogged down in.
I'm into 40k for a little less then 30 years now and the first 15 or maybe even 20 years, nothing really happend. I already thought all the mysteries and questions would never be answered, the return of a Primarch, the fall of Cadia and the opening of the Great Rift were the first big things that actually happend in all that time. Or at least they are the first things I can think of. Still I can't imagin that really big things like them Emperor dying/getting reborn/becoming a true god or one of the factions getting destroyed will happen in my time on this planet.
Honestly, it's informational videos like yours, Luetin, that are a big help with starting to get a handle on the 40K lore. I've mentioned this before, but I knew next to nothing about 40K until I happened upon your series on the Emperor of Mankind. Ever since, I've been fascinated by the 40K universe.
The Eisenhorn stories are actually a perfect introduction into the WH40K world. The group around Gregor Eisenhorn is a rather typical TV Show group. The story starts a bit like a detective story and moves later into deeper WH40 lore. If they don't use that storyline...
I agree. Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts would both be amazing for mainstream consumption. They both have the potential to tap into all areas of 40k from literally all threats. I can see Cavill as either one TBH. Gaunts Ghosts does have more content though, even if you count the Ravenor material.
Due to your videos getting me into the lore these last 7-8 months i have finally started painting miniatures and am currently reading Horus Rising Thank you!
@Luetin09 Honestly, the best way to drive newcomers to this franchise is simple; direct them to THIS channel. You are by far my favourite 40K Loremaster because of your articulation, pace, presentation - but above all - DEVOTION to the subject matter. To do all that AND making concerted effort to not alienate the audience is simply Masterful. You walk the Path Less Travelled good Sir. Keep it up
100% agree with accessibility Started around 2015 and have seen the price rise dramaticly and know people who have been legitimately turned off because of it
3d printer, or 3rd party proxies are much cheaper options. I still build 40k armies, but haven't spent a dime on GW products in 5+ years. Shout out Wargames Atlantic, great company!
@@EdwardReynolds Yes, but you are already heavily invested in the hobby, if you are printing 3d models. It's good advice, but only really relevant to the more experienced part of the community.
Out on the high seas right now available in PDF form (I'm not going to link it because I don't want it getting shut down), there is an uploaded backlog of Troll magazine, the monthly GW order catalog. I was perusing through, going on a nostalgia overload when I saw the US April 2000 edition has a special deal featured. To celebrate the new Land Raider kit (the same one being sold today), they had a deal on Space Marine and Chaos Space Marine armies. For $199.99 (that's $347.45 in 2023), you could buy a Space Marine army consisting of: 1x Space Marine Land Raider 1x Tactical Squad (10x models with 1x flamer and 1x missile launcher) 1x Terminator Squad (5x models) 1x Terminator Captain 1x Land Speeder 1x Bike Squadron (3x models) 1x Assault Squad (5x models) 1x Devastator Squad (5x models with 4x different heavy weapons) 1x Dreadnought (metal model with assault cannon and dreadnought power fist) 1x Scout Squad (5x scouts with bolt pistols and chainswords) 2x Terminator metal weapon bits Oh and this all comes with free shipping either directly to your home or local Warhammer retailer. The same models ordered from GW in 2023? Land Raider: $90 Tactical Squad: $60 (3x assault weapon options, sergeant options, and 1x missile launcher) Terminator Squad: $60 Captain in Gravis Armor: $40 (choice of chainsword, power sword or power fist) Land Speeder: $40 Bike Squad: $45 Assault Squad: $60 (includes special weapons) Devastator Squad: $60 (6x models with 8x heavy weapon options) Dreadnought: $60 (includes multiple weapon options, plastic kit) Scout Squad: $35 (includes heavy bolter and bits to have either bolt pistols, shotguns, or boltguns) Total: $550 (shipping not included) So for an extra $202.55, you get.....about 15 extra guns and some melee weapons? And some of these are the same kits from 2000 (Bike Squad, Land Speeder, and Land Raider) or received a few updates to bring them in line with more modern kits (Tactical Squad, Assault Squad, Terminators). This doesn't include shipping because fuck you that's why.
I’m new to Warhammer and Leutin’s point with the books is my biggest gripe. I don’t want to piece together the Horus Heresy book set one by one (if there’s even availability) via a marked-up eBay middleman. Once I get those books I won’t want to stop reading either, so I’d rather not start and then have to wait around until I can obtain the next in line. Soooo frustrating
I do also view the lack of accessibility as a strength of 40k. It hints that there are always more to find if you keep digging, in that way creating both depth and the illusion of depth. The issue of books being unavailable when they are core aspects of lore is really bad tho I have to agree.
Peter Fehervari has quickly become my favorite Black Library author. You can't buy any of his books as paperbacks except as used, secondhand copies because they have been discontinued. Requiem Infernal is brand fucking new, printed in 2019. The paperback on E-Bay or Amazon starts around $30 for a damaged copy, with most going for $50+. Absolutely absurd.
A way to circumvent physical shortage of Warhammer books is buying e-books. For months I tried to find the first book in the Ravenor Trilogy (in French !) and Gaunt's Ghosts and the only physical copies I found were priced around 100 to 150 euros. So I bought a Kindle, and I could buy them all for less than 10 euros each. It helps.
I appreciate the points discussed in this video. I'm working on a story myself, and while it's obviously nowhere near the scope and scale of 40k, some of the points in this video made me either consider, or reconsider, some things I was planning to do. Thanks.
Luetin, I started my DG army a few months ago after a decade hiatus from the game. I’m so glad that now, as an adult, I can take the proper time with painting and learning about my army, and the game in general. Watching your vids def swayed me back into the awesome world of 40K
They should do a series with Gaunt. He's a great character, a normal human, inspiring, clever, loyal and unrelenting. He got cool stories with action, heavy in lore and intrigue. He's an officer, a soldier of the Imperium which make him easier to relate than some space marine or primarch demigod and it's easier to bring in all kind of lore to the people through the eyes of his platoons.
@@FulloutPostal yes and there is a whole army so having interesting charecters will be easy and so will be the casting. Since all are them are humans no big budget is needed, just good actors and stuntmen
Staying away from the Heresy would serve a much more importent point than just attempting to ensure its quality: The Imperium does not >know< what went down, alot of that time is gone. Giving the information to the viewer would scewer the entire 40k setting.
the cost is insane, a friend looked at the cost to buy an Army to match mine, and it was literally him buying a brand new truck. they are charging INSANE prices for single vehicles and models now. Honestly I moved on to Battle Tech they dont care If I 3D print models to get my friends to play.
I have said like gazzillion times, that Space Wolf omnibus would be best starting point for WH40k adaptations. It follows relatively small group of characters, and has cool origin story, where viewers could learn about setting with Ragnar. You get to introduced to following factions/and organizations: Space marines, and their creation. Imperial guard, Inqvisition, Orcs, Eldar, Chaos demons and space marines, navigators, heretics, imperial assassins, imperial politics. For locations you have Fenris, various planets with different ecosystems. Space Hulks, space ships and spacecombat, boarding actions, Terra, drop pod assaults. Best part about all of that, is that everything is explained naturally, as all of these things are new to Ragnar as well, so he asks questions how things work and what are everything. There is absolutely no better place to start adaptations. Also, as Ragnar is present in everything, you could hire some kind of big name for the role (perhaps not Cavil himself).
@@polca4love You can also try the Ultrasmurfs. I mean, Ultramarines. They are also fairly infamous for always winning. Edit: Yes, even if they did come pretty darn close to not with the Tyranid.
I think a movie series following Ciaphas Cain and Amberley Vail on their multiple missions would be absolutely possible. Those books do have everything you need to make proper movies with a bit of love drama mixed in. That would probably also get some people into the setting that would otherwise never concider wh40k as a setting. Granted - you would not get the bigger setting but you can still drop hints to Chaos, primarks, the emperor, xenos etc in there to get people interested into the bigger setting.
Yeah, lets have a sex scene like Master Chief in Halo. That will go down so well with the fans. No love scenes! It's in the opening titles- in the far future there is only war!
Luetin well done as always. I think slightly smaller 40k stories can work in live action. Eisenhorn, Ciphas Cain, at its largest maybe even a Ventris series (Cavill would be a great Ventris). But anything Heresy, Cadia, Indomitus Crusade, etc is just too big, crazy, and expensive to do a live action adaptation. I just don't think it would translate. However, a Horus Heresy premium animated show with the quality of say Invincible or Castlevania could be absolutely fantastic if done right. The only limitation would be what you could animate. Iconic foundational 40k events like the Drop Site Massacre, Calth, Titandeath, Siege of Terra, etc would just make me unreasonably happy. Astartes proved it could work which us why Luetin is 1000% correct in how massive and important the commercial success of this show is. We won't get these other shows if it isn't successful to a broader audience.
Lan Party Era Dawn of War was my entry gate to the Warhammer 40k. Shortly after we started looking into miniatures and everything else. Been a hobby veteran with an ever growing part of my brain dedicated to remembering 40k lore.
I started listening to the Horus Heresy audio books after listening to a few videos of yours during the pandemic shutdown. Woe to me when I found out I’d have the pleasure of listening to over 50 books in that series alone! Thank you Luetin! I found my new obsession.
I think there is a lot of inspiration to take from Villeneuve’s Dune. Artistic, heavy concepts… Combat and war is more difficult to handle, but again Dune will have to tackle this as well.
They need to start with the poster boys. Marines. Space Marine worked well vs Orks as it gives you chance to add a lick of humour too. Do Marines vs Orks and flesh it out from there. Add Eisenhorn as a reoccurring cameo. New Fans will want to know more about him giving us a spin off set in a hive world. That could have a cameo from Necromunda leading to yes, a Necromunda spin off. Start basic and build the 40K verse from there. GW did just arrive as it is it was build in steps and entering a wider “mainstream” will have to do the same.
A series could work. S1- introduce Guilliman as the series protagonist and introduce the universe during a sequence of battles against different factions S2- Gulliman looks to the past and we go through the rise of the Emperor. Ends on a cliffhanger with the vanishing of his primarchs S3- Horus Heresy. Guiilliman’s “death” S4- Guilliman resurrection in the 41st millennium. Return to power and his potential coup de tat and seizing control of humanity. (Fanfic righ there)
A part of me actually prefers that 40k remained somewhat of a niche. Having a fan base who love it for what it is in all its complexity and depth and grim darkness. If GW do silly things like remove the grimdark from it and make it politically correct and what not to make it more appealing to an ever increasing audience than it just gonna become increasingly unrecognisable and not be fun. People should have to be able to put in the time and willpower to get into it and understand this complex world and franchise. Because that the kind of person you need to be to be 40k fan. If you wanna like something simpler and more accessible there are other franchises out there.
the xenosphobicus empire allying with aliens cause a 10k sleeping WAR general said so is when 40k is dead, the mechanicus have already fallen, now they aren't religious just all of a sudden, not anymore after cawl so then tech should be WELL on it's way to beating tau so hard they'll be eliminated from memory.
I personally think that Ciaphas Cain "For the Emperor" would make a great introduction to 40K for a wider audience. His self centred narration keeps the story scope small enough for contained narratives, character interaction and a investigative mystery element to keep audiences engaged. The characters have real relatable personality for any actors to embody and play off of. And a human standpoint in shades of grey morality would be far more gripping than immediately overwhelming with the scope and scale of the 40K universe.
Totally agree. It was the first book I read and remembering the start he goes into detail or gives an explanation to many things because he’s a new commissar and he himself is new to the universe. Eisenhorn on the other hand leaves you to extrapolate the meaning of most words/things which I enjoyed at the time but I think it would have Ben confusing if it was my first book
Dune does a good job of not trying to tell the whole story, at least for a while. Taking cues from them: Imagine a movie about a young promising person on a world, not knowing why being so different than the rest of the populus, rising through the ranks, then being discovered by a gothic force, a armada of spaceships, telling him about the empire, being met by a giant warmaster by the name of Horus. and from there you go into the universe. I mean it doesn't have to be Alpharius (I'd freak out, they are my favorite), but you get the general idea...
Dude you could talk all you want, your thoughts on the concepts both in science and ethics found within the lore along with the genuine, original, thought you give toward this franchise makes me happy I learned of this story from a friend.
I was initially turn off from 40k due to the price and horror story of army costs but once I got sucked into vermintide, total war, chaos gate and started to learn about the lore through creators like yourself I had to at least try the hobby and oh boy what fun. Recently went to the 25th anniversary at warhammer world and it did not disappoint! Can’t wait for the next lore video as that means I’ll be painting my newly brought Grey Knights 😅
Stick to 1 army and maybe a boxed game squad, and the cost is quite mild after the upfront expenses settle. Once a decade your army will get the models refreshed and you'll spend a bunch then. The horror stories come from dudes who can't stop buying whatever the latest box set is because of fomo. Or they buy a big box set because the value is good when they only need like 1/4 the models in the box. Or they start a new army because it's the newest hotness and they just like feeling hype even if it is not a faction they are all that jazzed about. That's the trap that leads to people making cope-jokes about how costly it is.
Over the decades I've played 40k I've noticed it's increasingly shifting from grim-dark to grim-dumb. I feel newer content is getting overly silly, dumbed down and sterilized for mass consumption and a much younger audience. Makes me worried about the film, I'm afraid we are headed toward a PG-13 Imperium.
I think a show about two psyker’s trying to escape capture on a newly compliant world whose populace doesn’t really understand completely because for one reason or another the warp has left them alone. And so they try to get away but one of them gets darker and darker until boom they become a portal for daemons and that’s the end of season one. Season two they are trying to cap this invasion but it gets worse and worse until the series finale everybody dies in exterminatus and the audience is left like “wtf so they just killed everybody?” And the end credits say “well yeah that’s Warhammer” and then they move on to the next idea that’s completely separate
I think the show should be kinda like your lore discussions, topical. Not an attempt to be exactly in order. Probably starting with the Emperor already on the Golden Throne and dancing around current and past lore showing how they got to this point and where they're headed...using that Highlander flashback approach.
One thing that is often overlooked with the upcoming 40k movies/shows is the various other IP’s that GW was “inspired” by. From Dune, LotR, Starship Troopers, to Aliens etc. These have not been an issue for GW in the niche world of miniatures, but when/if they delve into big-budget movies/shows, I kind of hope GW runs into issues with that stuff considering their disdain for their own customers when it comes to their own IP.
Except Warhammer is older than a lot of those things? The 40k universe as we know it was pretty well established 30 years ago. I mean, I was there. In particular Genestealers and Tyranids were around long before Starship Troopers (the film anyway). And I can't work out what would have come from LotR, with the films being too late. Dune I can see though, although not close enough to be a legal problem.
@@reckoner1913 genestealers are based on the works of HR Giger and Alien, much older than 40k as is Dune. Starship Troopers is definitely going to turn heads as well when they see a big screen Carnifex.
Will it though?? Mar vel basically used genestealers in the avengers. Everything is based on something and gw blended many things (with admittedly a lot of original ideas as well
What disdain for their customers do they have? You can't make money off of a company's ip without being given license to. But even then they just hired the people that were making it. Where is the disdain? Also franchises borrow things from each other all the time. Taking someone's idea and using it to inspire something that ends up being completely different happens all the time.
I think making the Emperor a main character is a mistake, I think It would be easier if they focused in on a single conflict. A series about the Wars of Armagaddon with maybe Yarrik as the main character or a freshly examinated Inquisitor could be good as they could slowly introduce all the waring factions as the conflict escalates.
The emperor should stay the emperor, in 30k you could show some his flaw in terms of what he did, but then back it up that he knows what he is trying to achieve, basically a nice Tyrant. After 30k and into 40k he should be a mostly not known as just human but a sigmar like character, where you have him as a good character for HUMANITY. So people that aren't heretics will take him as a hero protag, while still having other factions have their own heretical heroes just not to the same regard cause the emperor's record is a lengthy one and necrons can't be bothered to be good for anyone.
I don't play the games, paint the miniatures, or do really anything relating to Warhammer 40k aside from watching your videos. Hundreds upon hundreds of hours of your videos. I'm glad Warhammer is increasing in popularity because that will mean more new content and more new Luetin09 videos.
I would do a movie with limited scope from a local perspective, without introducing the general lore, a move like Reddick, Predator 2 or Blade Runner, where the main protagonists know little of the world outside their local setting, and then expand slowly during the movie and let them learn what's outside their local setting via rumors and and heavily censored news that does not correspond with what the protagonists are experiencing. Don't go into the 40k univers with Space Marines, but with a investigation in a dystopian society with "normal" people you can relate to and maybe the Inquisition as a silent ally or adversary.
I believe Titanicus would be a fantastic story to turn into a series or movie as it introduces the empire/mechanicus relationship and the threat of chaos all in a contained story that gives a great starting understanding of the capabilities and vulnerabilities of the Empire. It also follows a series of storylines that cover the stratum of players involved from the conscripts to the administrators. Not to mention the awesome setpieces like a warhound killing a reaver with a trident.
I'd go with the Ghosts or one of the Inquisitiors personally. Honestly a movie following the IG would be the best. Showcase everything from Orks to SM and of course Chaos. You could have your Titans in it as well ;). As cool as having a movie about SM would be... I just don't think it is time. It would be expensive for one because you have to showcase how tall and big they are compared to regular humans. Personally they need to get a real solid future length CGI movie first.
Speaking of imperium admech relations, how does manufacturing work in the imperium? There are hive worlds where a lot of people "live" and work, this is controlled by imperium. But the mechanicus also has forgeworlds and guard much of the technology. Why does the mechanicus allow hive worlds to carry out manufacturing? Is there a good way to understand how the economy is organised between the twin civilisations?
Titanicus for a movie coming out around the same time as a multi-seasons series on gaunt ghost or Ciphias Cain would be the best way to open the 40k universe to the general public.
@@whythelongface64 The mechanicus themselves have near total control of worlds, there will be imperial admin, but forging and resources are the mechanicus's and if need the admin of the imperium will call for resources going in or out. I'm sure there are regulation with regards to workers in most places, since it's still Human. Hive production is a must, and as such you'll have mechanicus there to control and oversee it, same on other worlds agri, space ships and such were the mechanicus are rather lenient because things like tractors, gellar fields/warp engines and lasguns are a must. Basically the imperium ASKS the mechanicus to make stuff, the mechanicus says yes most of the time and takes control of production.
My own thoughts on a WH40k movie would be something like Starship Troopers, where our protagonists are just regular Joes/Janes that we can identify with, caught up in events far beyond their control or even understanding. Their world could be shown, not told, as they try to survive and do their duty to the Emperor while events unfold. I'm a big fan of letting the viewers/readers figure things out for themselves so of course there would be exposition insinuated but not narrated. Such a movie would probably do almost as well as Starship Troopers!
There's a huge hidden danger with supporting a Starship Troopers like adaptation. The fact of how dirty it did the source material. For me ST sits alongside Legion and Sly Dredd.
@@baconghoti I mean the source material was done by a big time boot licker, the movie did do it great by making it a satire on the military which actually would very much fit WH40K Funny enough I would use the first actual battle to show someone what it's like to be the imperial gaurd
I haven't been watching Luetin before but watched this and I agree with what was said. Only funny thing imo though is that proudly announcing oneself as anti-gatekeeper and then delivering an hour long video essay on gatekeeping the ip against turning into lowest common denominator slop and for making stuff for the core audience instead of trying to pander the "current thing". This is at least mine interpretation of gatekeeping, not going "YOU can't play this game" like so many seem to be quick to assume. Might just be I have a fringe defenition
I think the best place for them to start with no matter if it is TV or Movie would be during the fall of humanity's Golden Age and birth of Slaanesh. Titled "Warhammer 40,000: Fall of a Golden Age". Have it start a little bit before the war with the Men of Iron and carry through to the Emperor coming forward to Lead humanity. To me that time period is Vague enough to allow mistakes for the production team but also straight forward enough so they have a template for an over arching timeline. It should be easy to introduce the Races of 40k, explain what chaos is and allows for more lore for one of the most hushed areas of the the 40k verse. It could also go as far as showing when Emperor met with the Chaos Entities to gain the knowledge for the Primarchs.
Honestly I love that there isn't a protagonist, instead its a narrative that talks about the human history in the far future. It's made in a similar way in which of the actual human race have written its stories, even if there are voids in the 40k lore so do the history of real live.
I think people forget it's a HUMAN Empire at times, they're always either super zealots, utterly incompetent or down right (mental). Yes even space marines are human, I know, how shocking. The view from the outside is that krieg are just cloned robots that charge the line, to some extant true, but in lore you hear them retreat, take action on their own and do as much tactical as they can. Same problem with Cawl, all of a sudden we have one dude that can make primaris, better than the emperor because he didn't do it and can't do it, some mortal women did, so it should be easy enough to replicate primaris by say for example fabius bile who is FAR better at these things.
My start was your series and well most watched videos THE EMPEROR OF MAN [1] The Rise of Humanity ->into Horus heresy [2]. It perfectly navigates people through literally everything :) And sets the bar on how the world revolves around 40k While not overcomplicating all the stuff around so its not confusing for new people.
I actually think that to stand as its own work I don't think any TV series or mass consumption media should make an effort to explain, it should have plot devices and visual ques to introduce ideas and characters, but space marines on their own doing awesome shhhh..tuf is the hook on that brought us into the 40k world, and it's a willingness to further understand it that brought us to this channel. You could just watch a lore accurate TV series, love it and never read the books. The same is true for all movie adapted canon
Imagine. You paid someone to write a bunch of story content. You commissioned art. You got a layout person. You had editors do many passes. Make your book. Now it's out of print. And you say you won't resell those assets again because ???????
I'm 500+ points into my Sisters army and am hooked. You've provided a ton of incredible material to listen to while I paint. Thank you so much. The tabletop has been a huge gate for me but everything else is amazing. Maybe I'm just very stupid but I can't wrap my head around 9e, it's just too much at this point, so I play Kill Team. Way more accessible and casual.
The first war game I played was a game of kill team. I played it with my brother, and we had six dice, the two core books, and chess pieces that we pretended were the models. We have models now, but for two near broke teenagers, it was a load of fun. I definitely think an introductory pamphlet for the 40k galaxy would be cool.
I just don't want them changing the lore in a hunt for new fans while slighting the veteran fans. That's happened a lot in recent years with powerhouse franchises and when the hardcore fanbase leaves those ip's have floundered.
as someone who has some OCD tendencies, my journey into 40k has been... a slow one. it started in April of 2021 with Bricky's "factions" videos. I watched a lot of lore videos to get a general grasp, basically watched your channel for weeks:D then I decided to start reading books, as I'm only into the lore. and then my brain got the better of me. after Eisenhorn and Ravenor, I started the Heresy. and for almost 2 years, I have read *nothing* else. I read semi-regularly for various reasons, so I'm now on the 42nd book. thing is, I *need* to read stuff in chronological order. so then I'm gonna read War of the Beast. and when I get to current books... who knows:D
I'd love to see our man Cavill as young Eisenhorn. I think he could pull it off, and if the show stuck to the books it would be such an interesting look on the IOM from a different perspective.
Too late, I feel like everyone just wants everyone to ally with stuff, sure the super xenos phobicus empire who's leader and sons wiped the galaxy clean of alien life, but is totally fine with sleeping with eldari... Cawl is totally fine and he's THE special amongst 10billions of mechanicus that are too entrenched in doga, yet they don't start a war over it? And all because one son out of twenty returned to SHOW the humans their rightful place under his boots and new toys. Good story telling, cause it reality it would never happen, you cannot unset 10k years of order even as a primarch, this would've had to started as an agreement of all the loyalist primarchs and the the head of the mechanicus agreeing to such a massive jump as well as pooling said resources together for it, yet all they say is 13th prmarch said it happened so it did. Anyway, grimdark is already kinda dead in the fanbase, it's either a meme, or votan, That SOMEHOW survived to be stronger than the imperium in the MIDDLE of said empire, sell weapons tau fringe xenos race, not get caught, somehow not get into a war with the RELIGIOUS cult that is the mechanicus, but everyone loves them cause nostalgia or just, oh look space dwarfs.....
Funnily enough you got me back into warhammer after I stopped in 5th edition. Having some pretty bad memories of toxic players and one particular GW staff member at the store I'd play at who was very unpleasant. your emperor of mankind part 1 video come up about 2 years ago in my recommended. Never was big into the lore back in the day so watched it and was nearly instantly hooked. So thank you so much for bringing me back in as in the last year or so of painting playing and enjoying the books I have really had more fun than I ever thought I would
As someone who got back into 40k a few years ago through the audiobooks, the fact that the warp is sometimes called the Empyrean, which sounds almost exactly like the Imperium, was extremely confusing.
There is an easy, accesible way to learn about warhammer 40k available to all: Listening to videos from creators such as you, Luetin. If GW gets smart, they make an official channel for you and other creators to explore and display the lore and advertise their products, while giving you a wage and relative freedom to write your own scripts.
@@WozWozEre They're morons then. You get people hooked with introductory videos and don't go deep and advertise the material that expands on the lore and people will buy it.
You have motivated me to look into the lore in depth and I am proud to say I have used all my audible credits and some of my own money just to learn more about the 40k universe. Thankyou Luetin for introducing me to this amazing universe can't wait to start building my own army.
In regards to new players: We as a community need to stop worrying about this. Its out of our control on if any given new person is going to be able to get into it or not. I'm not saying we shouldn't accomodate them with info and showing them the game and etc, but if they can afford it or not - thats on GW. They make MORE than enough money to tackle that problem. The game won't die. Don't pile on stress and anxiety where its not needed. As far as veteran players - we have more than enough backlog to keep us playing and hobbying for a long, long time.
I want to say I am also one of those enlightened souls that got into 40k because of you. I now can’t stop reading the lore, 7 books down in the Heresy, Eisenhorn finished and now onto the Dark Imperium. I would never have stumbled into the Grim Dark and the light of the Emperor, beloved by all, without you amazing videos! Thank you! Just please ease up on your heretical insinuations
