Horde Mode Google Doc: drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1RCDEfbaJafpfVCU-8iDjCZe_uoPjZLYz Horde Mode Discord: discord.gg/ZwASQMqQZS Happy holidays everyone, we'll be back after New Years!
I love the channel and your content BUT first you insult my beloved Templars and then you insult the majesty that is the drop pod!?!?!?! I now wish for nothing more than to play a game against you purely so I can deploy my full army via drop pods
I might be one of the few folks who care but, Adepta Sororitas is not a complete list yet. Missing Immolator and Rhino, both empty or full. Probably doesn't super matter since sisters are understandably a weak horde by nature. I just think their transports would give them a little better fighting chance.
My group made a fun way to make a Horde Mode campaign. Start a campaign normally with 1000 crusade points and 5 RP per player. Instead of an Injury roll when a unit is Out of Action, roll d6: on a 1-3 that unit is destroyed and you lose its value in Crusade Points from your total, on a 4-6 it's injured and takes a battle scar. This balances your unit's growing strength with the risk of permadeath. We play two games per round, but no units that were used in the first game can be used in the second of that round (a second game is also opt-in, and not required). What I really like is it feels like you are fighting a war on multiple fronts. Last rule is that you can give and trade resources, including units if both armies could field that unit, to other players (it makes ally units a bit more enticing knowing you can give them to another player if they have suffered big losses). If you win your objective, roll a d6: 1-2: 200 Crusade Points 3-4: 1 Additional Requisition Point 5-6: 1 Additional Marked for Greatness Fill in the gaps as necessary, but this is enough to get you going.
It’s unbelievable that GW has not produced anything like this, or at least anything as good as this. They made the bloody game! And it actually expands the hobby when people who can’t easily find others to game with can still play and enjoy the war game part of the hobby! Well done, lads!
This is also somtging that a shop could run as an event. They all have displays loaded with models, enough to probably run multiple tables of hord mode, at least a nid/GSC, chaos, and imperial.
@poorhammer: We use the DeepStrike ability, so that shooting units Deep strike outside of the Horde Spawning Zone but may not move in the subsequent movement phase. Shooting units at maximum range and in cover if possible. NK units just outside of 9". That is fun so far and easy to do.
@30:36 , this is honestly a good thing to have in the rules, and probably upfront, too. it sort of addresses the question you answered prior where table discretion is advised when playing the game. when there are questions that aren't inherently answered by the rules as written - either yours, or 40k's, it should ultimately be decided by the table what is the most fun interpretation of the rules or decision when it comes to unit abilities.
I had a game with Tyranid as the horde and my 4 friends played space wolves salamander successor necron and orks We had a blast They would build Infront of the big monsters so they would have to walk through this extremely small area Loved it It was the best
on jan 8th me and my group are meeting once more to do horde mode but to celebrate the new year, we're doing a 6 player game where every player brings all their chaos models and whatever they dont play will be part of the horde,, we have some demons, chaos space marines, world eaters, death guard, thousand sons and chaos knights!!
And this very clearly demonstrates that you don't know RAI unless you are specifically told what it is. And if you get told in writing, that makes it RAW.
Its a co op game, you can rewind and reroll whole attacks if mistakes are made, interperate rules however you feel, change rules that don't make sense for particular things, don't do something if you don't think it fits, whatever, as long as both players agree. There is only the two of you, no opponent, very easy to just rule with whatever is more fun for the both of you, you want to play hard, play hard, wanna soften the exact rules a bit so your team mate doesn't just get wiped immediately, need that extra half an inch on the charge to have an epic moment. Think of being a DM in DnD, rule of cool it, do whats most fun anyway love your work and keep it up
I haven’t tried this yet but it sounds great…. My only disappointment is that flyers don’t really work, my primary army is flyer focused and with out fliers I only have about 1300 points… first they are not very meta and now they are not hoard mode legal either. Looks like I need to get more models
funny that you cleared up that a shooting unit should actually move out of the DZ before shooting so that they dont blow up, since this was one of our biggest flaws with the OG version. BUT, we still disagree heavily with the premise here.. we still think it is COMPLETELY 100% wrong to have this rule saying units in the DZ blow up before a new one spawns.. These deployment zones have SO MUCH free space, it is EASY to fit 2, 4 or 6 units in there sometimes... the rule exists for no reasons, and IF you want some kind of anti cheese security here, just say that ONLY IF the DZ is so full that is impossible to deploy a new unit, ONLY THEN, is another unit blown up as follows - first a player unit selected at random - a horde unit selected at random untill there is enough space to fit the new unit. easy done. BECAUSE, it makes NO sense with this new information, to have lets say an exocrine first WALK OUT of the DZ to then shoot without heavy at a unit that might just stand already in front of them when it is turn 3 or so.. the exocrine would WANT to just stand still and just shoot, having more distance between them and benefit from heavy (since the rules also say that newly set up models count as already beeing on the board) and next turn there is NO problem to just spawn a new unit next to it or behind it. after the first game we always played it like this and it works MUCH better, and actually prevents way more cheese this way.. because otherwise you can just manipulate the ai to always walk right into your gunline to be shot dead immediatly.
can we also talk about how air strike is the still the most broken shit? and should absolutly cost MUCH more, AND also be limitied to once per player and once per turn or something? because as it stands, when we want to play optimally.. there is NOTHING better you can do than just blow up the ENTIRE cover on the enemy side turn 2 and 3 for this cheap until the enemies spawn in an empty field and just be shot dead immediatly.
This game mode has completely taken over my group in the same way commander took over normal magic. Also my favorite field promotion so far was promoting a nearly destroyed ghostkeel into a riptide, and then promoting a lone surviving fire warrior into the ghostkeel. Maximum value.
Oh hey, it's us again! We're going to be doing another Horde Mode stream coming up next month (infinite mode this time) where we'll be donating all the proceeds to charity. Could be a 90 minute stream, could be a 90 hour stream, we'll see!
SO!!! My fiance and I have played this format more often than any of our regular games. We both love it more than any other way of playing 40K. We've been playing really open with each other, so like not being shitlords about Secret Objectives, and even still the game is incredible. I have a billion Tyranids, so I figured, "Horde Army for Horde Mode," and because I have so many, I randomized the spawns based on what I have available. Our first turn of our first game spawned a Tervigon and 6 Zoanthropes (we played a 1000 point game, she was TSons, and I was GK). Needless to say, my Razorback failed to survive the first turn. Turn 2, we kill the Tervigon, and by now, there is also a Swarmlord and Carnifex with Venom Cannon. Throughout the game, we only fought 10 Genestealers, who aren't even a proper horde unit imo. XD It felt heroic as shit to basically sacrifice what was left of my army so she could complete her secondary, only for Reinforcements to give me A Librarian and 10 Paladins in the last turn. We fought and slew 3 Tervigons that game. :3 Absolutely epic game, absolutely legendary rules, my fiance and I have never played wargames together more, I will consume my friends' lives with this, hats off.
Horde Mode is the whole reason I am working to learn the rules to 40k and building up my collection. It looks super fun and am looking forward to when I can jump into it
Maybe even try some different "horde" enemies from older editions or homebrew and kitbash your own. Making some mutants from lost and the damned would be great.
I once had a situation where my 10 Hearthkyn Warriors lead by a Kâhl completed an objective and were rewarded with a promotion. However I rolled snake eyes leading to me technically neutering my best unit and butchering my entire army as a reward. My group allowed me to just not do anything to the unit but I was wondering what you have to say about such a thing happening.
If you want a cheap and easy way to use drop pods (like god intended) is to use the stray orbital bombardment card to decide at what quadrant it lands in then roll a scatter dice and 2d6 to dictate where it lands. For the purposes of simplicity it can land anywhere outside 3 inches of a unit, if it lands within you can opt to reroll the scatter + distance or if the quadrant is too packed you can reroll the quadrant you land in
I love when modders take content so far passed what the OC ever intended. I've been playing DotA since it came out, Hard Light's FreeSpace 2 mod for like 20 years, and the same with DayZ on Arma. I feel like this is going to have the same passion behind it. Here's to seeing where this project is on NYE of 2033.
Overall, changes i was already doing or assumed so im happy. Ive been DM'ing it as the Horde with my massive Ork collection basically. I treated Weirdboy Da Jump as basically a wrapping "move" where it will altempt to get behind the closest unit, otherwise just move forward as much as you can. I always moved the first round and disembarked the second if i spawned a full transport The only target priority thing i started doing was i added a 6" 'optimal target' range, where if i can only hurt the closest model on 6s i'll target something else within 6" of that target instead. I did this pretty much immediately as i spawned a squad of Warbikers that immediately slammed into a shooty dread and proceeded to do nothing for 3 rounds lol. Meanwhile, there were normal marines like 3" away.
I went from two and a quarter armies before I played Horde Mode(Blood Angels/Tyranids/Necrons) to seven armies(GSC/Tau/Knights/CSM) at various points amounts so that each game I can both play something differnent and go up against something different. My wife is on her third army (Orks/Sisters/Votann) now because of Horde Mode, and we have a blast with it every time we play. I really can't thank you all enough for the amount of work you put in and the amount of fun we've already received from it! EDIT: Finally got to listen to this, and man you are so right it never stops being funny having someone finally kill that Tyranofex and then another just spawns in its place. Especially when the person who kills it just groans while everyone else laughs
Had a funny situation one game where we failed to do the secondary that changes your secret objective, so my buddy and I both got a random new objective... And I got saboteur. It was all according to the great plan from the beginning!
GW does not own rectangles with green and red rectangles inside. In fact GW owns virtually nothing other than a few copyright names. They don’t own space marine, or eldar, or imperial guard, or necron….etc
Gonna finally get my friends in on 40K with this. So far we've got Tyranids from the starter set and Genestealers from the combat patrol. They'll probably end up going up against my Sisters since I have the largest army so far.
just thinking out of the top of my head, but I am imagining if people can make this work in the size of a Kill team, almost a "Darktide" or "Vermintide" mode. This would make people new to 40K even more affordable to start. Imagine a group of friends playing, but everyone can only bring a couple of individual infantry/troop models (not units). at the same time, for the first 4 turns, the horde side will just spawn troops (number of models adjusted to the number of players), and no vehicles or monstrous creatures will spawn until the last turn, at which point turn 5 will not end until either side managed to sweep the board. Promotions can be simplified to just changing the models from troop to captain / named characters equivalent, or to the Heavy support of those army if suitable, or simply allow the model to equip multiple weapons (regardless of rule) from their stats sheet per turn.
Even Tho I'm not interested in play hoard mode rn (nor do I have the model count quite yet) I'm still watching this bc poor hammer is my favorite 40k Chanel
Really stupid not calling this game mode Exterminatus. Really coulda cooked. Unfortunate name choice because now it's going to flop hard. Damn bros. So sorry. :( jk tho
For Aircraft could they be removed from the tables and instead are brought in as either a RP ability where the aircraft will make a single pass on the table, fire its weapons then leave? Same for the enemy but its a Misery card something like "Hostile Air Space" Where an enemy flyer will make a single pass ? Just to give them something to do?
I've done a bit of work with pretty-fying stat blocks and game rules for my own projects. It's not much, but I'd be open to giving it a try if you want.
As someone brand new to collecting the table top. I am SUPER interested in this and consider just making tokens as proxy until someday when i have enough models to field everything. l only have a 10 space marines that im painting up currently.
Same lol. I've just got the latest admech combat patrol, 20 guardsmen, and 2 space marine heroes (from the blind boxes). I guess there's always TTS lol
Speaking of Knights, are knight players able to mix in other factions? As in I roll to spawn re-enforcements, can i bring in Henchmen or other Imperial Agents for example?
I want to play a game of this vs Nids where no matter what we roll for spawns its just waves of gaunts. Whats that you rolled double boxcars? Here's a full 2k list of just gaunts that just spawned in.
Mean I give feedback when I had my game but there really needs to be a scaler on RP for # of players, with each player gaining RP and doing secondaries we had so many respawning, repairing, and added units that it wasn’t even a slight challenge despite it being 2 people’s first game
Wouldn’t a Drop pod just come in as close as legally possible and immediately deploy the unit. That is at least how I use it because filling a drop pod with infernus is funny.
First time playing the game mode, field promoted a squad of like 3 Hearhtkyn left and rolled like a 10, ended up replacing those 3 guys with 2 empty Hekaton Land Fortresses. Fun times
There are ways you can build the deck while having some control of where cards are in the deck so there way you can keep more power misery cards are later. I think that manipulating the misery deck could make the game harder or easier. Eldritch Horror have a thread stage deck.
I asked this question in the Discord, as I am a new player interested in AOS. My understanding is that there are complexities AOS has that do not translate well to Horde Mode, while 10th Edition has simpler rules that can function without faction mechanics. But I would love to see it happen!
Thanks for this, the game mode was a tonne of fun. Best memory so far was the misery card that gets you to destroy a unit costing me a stompa because my ally voted for it instead of my wounded nob on smasha squig.
Cutting the deployment into 4 quarters with a 2x2 square made it so the units deployed in the back row would move to the front row and digivolve into a stronger unit. We used nids and we had to fight a whole ton of big bugs.
Thanks for making a great game mode that shows for potential for growth! It's great to have a rule set that is updated regularly with balance and fun in mind :D
I played “hard mode” as a means of turning up the difficulty and it was GREAT. I homebrewed a scenario where my guys had to defend a central point with terrain. On battle round 4, it got planet quakes and things went sideways real fast in the best way. Love this mode.
Horde mode is one of the things I've heard really positive reviews for from just a general public not even specifically about this channel...that to me seems like its a great success I hope it goes well!
Just finished my first horde mode game ! Necrons and drukhari vs tyranid invasion ! I was drukhari and had the forward extraction secret obj, my army was fluffy and was wiped all besides one succubus and a 5 man of scourge. The scourge were able to make it to complete my SO my necron comrade was not so lucky. He was down to his last reanimator and field promoted to night bringer to go down swinging. We rolled extremely high, at least 1 10 on each spawn roll. We also failed the objective of clearing the evac zone turn 2 which stopped us from being able to bring in reinforcements which just added to our desperation
Love your providing updates. ill be trying thismyself after my group finishes up our soulbond campaign. Have you thought about doing a misplaced cargo card (D3 monitorium crates get placed on the table in the hostile side of the board at least 9 inches away from all player models. players can move up to the crate and crack it open roll a D6 : on a 5+ you get D6+3 RP, on a 3 or 4 gain D3+3 RP, on a 2 deploy a horde unit with the value of 4 and on a 1 deploy a horde unit with the value of 6.
I know it's probably right in the rules with adjusting the army sizes... but just curious if anyone found an ideal enemy points balance for playing games using Combat Patrol boxes for the players? I know not all CP boxes have the same point values, but they should be roughly balanced right? And they all still maintain their free rules on the app once the free index rules phase out with each codex release.
@poorhammer hello guys thanks for making this great format. I got inspired by thins and have made one of my own qnd my local playgroup really enjoys it and i think you guys might aswel. is there anywhere i would be able to send you guys a copy.
This has been the most fun warhammer thing my mates and i do on tabletop sim, one question i have is *insert vehicle* (full) does that mean you can fill it with whatever legal units you can from that tier or tier down e.g. land raider full of 6 aggressors, apoth bio and grav captain (my fav combo in this game). ty for all the hard work
