WARHAMMER! | Tom & Ben! 

Betwixt two fires.

Break Ends: 1:50:04

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such a champ

seconded. I watch on my tv (fine but with a noticeable difference in quality) or laptop (worse) and agree the old headsets sounded better.

Try turning the volume down on the youtube or your system that should improve it on you end, I suspect they just need to turn a down a setting somewhere.

Also, we are up to 7 gallons of beer per kill team and 20 gallons per patrol team.

I did not have this issue. Everything sounded like normal to me. On mobile-Android.

Yeah the problem is possibly your side as this sounds completely normal to me

Sounds normal to me I'm afraid.

It wasn't unbearable or anything like that don't get me wrong. But it was very noticeable.

having looked at other comments, I think it only affects certain headphones ?

The issue with any changes or retcon to Warhammer, is that practically zero paying Warhammer fans are just casuals, they're people bought and sold on the setting, love it, and just want to play the games accurate to that lore or just enjoy the lore, I'd wager more Warhammer fans actually only consume lore rather than regularly buying models, so the lore very much is sacred to this genre, especially when lore being literally sacred is a major theme in the lore, aaahh. I'm not sure on the details of how some Custodes are now not male (wording "not male" for specific later point), I like you have long just never paid attention to the company line and just read about the lore I want to know rather than following the GW marketing department road map. I have nothing against Primaris, mainly because I don't play the table top so the rules don't effect my opinion, but I understand why the lore is a bit dumb too. But to the main simple singular point in lore, that like I said might not strictly apply since I don't know the specifics of this retcon, Astartes aren't simple "all men all the time always just cause", it's not because of the enhancements they go through or any such rationalisms, it's because Astartes are effectively clones of their Primarch, who in turn are essentially clones of the Emperor, and since the Emperor is a guy, his clones are guys, and their clones also are guys, if there was a female Primarch somehow, all her Legion would also be female. In lore it's because of gene-seeds, one of the special genetically modified extra organs the Emperor created. Each a gene-seed is created from the DNA of a Primarch, it's grown and then implanted into a human who's body is capable of accepting it without rejection simply like an organ transplant, because it's a matter of genetic matching, and the gene-seed being male human DNA, only other male humans' bodies are capable of accepting it. Once implanted the struggle for the subjects body begins, as the consequences of acceptance cause all sorts of inhuman genetic changes, until if they survive their DNA is now in a way spliced with the DNA of their Primarch, they are now in real terms his clone/son. If they really wanted to have female Astartes, your justification of "hey guys, hot women?" is often a winning a soft pitch. But in lore it could of been done without retcon, implying the retcon was a conscious act to make waves. In the same way the Primaris Marines were kept secret, they could of just expanded the lore by revealing that the Emperor had strived to make for himself a daughter despite his genetic obstacles. They could write all sorts of themes into this, the theme of the Emperor being a loving god who wanted mankind as it was to prosper not to simply make it in his own image, the theme of the Emperor being a genius scientists driven by challenges and to achieve the impossible through mundane scientific means not just warp magic (or retcon magic as it were). And then they'd have a female Primarch and a small Legion of 'Astartia' that could slowly build up. Wouldn't even have to be so radical, could just have it been an experiment of Cawl, maybe he thought some Sisters of Battle would make brilliant Astartes, and so he found a way to supe them up to Space Marine level without gene-seeds, so now they're like special units who might be seen sprinkled in among all the legions, don't even have to make them stand out, give them the same unusual proportions as typical Astartes with overly broad and wide shoulders and small heads with only slightly smaller waists or height or whatever, and put a fluer de lis on their armour so you know which one it is. I'm totally against purposely upsetting the core fan base, and the whole everything in entertainment following the same, current thing, trend in entertainment, and I really like the epically mythological and allegorical lore of warhammer, I think it does best when the fans create their own head canon personally, but as such I don't have anything against female characters being interwoven with the Astartes somehow or even more powerful (I think it's already lore that most of the super secret assassin administration, who have plenty of women agents, would easily take out Astartes in various ways, just not bare fisty cuffs maybe, and it's personal head canon that Sisters of Battle are essentially just as if not more potent than an Astarte due to their power coming seemingly directly from the Emperor himself, so their faith is their power, whereas Astartes go rogue or chaos all the time, while the Sisters are incorruptible, etc) but only so long as it's done well, done through the lore, god forbid a grand narrative story telling company actually writes some grand narrative story telling. Sorry for all the reading. I really am not invested in the controversy since the lore is there for all to see along with the stark reality of the obvious retcon. I just really like warhammer lore and I think for the most part it exists in the minds of the fans and head canon, it's not really GW's to dictate, and upsetting core fans will only push things further in that direction. They were worried about people making their own models at home, well I'm sure in a year or two Ai can write a new novel with custom prompts in 30 seconds haha.

@@Alfred5555 I didn't notice I had a reply. It's been a week, but I will respond anyway. We are on the same side here. I am against these kinds of retcons that add no value and are done simply for the sake of adding diversity. The main point I was making was simply that there are ways to go about a retcon that could at least make fans slightly more receptive to it, but GW decided to go with the "torch everything" option. My comment was primarily focused on Custodes as opposed to Astartes. There are differing lore reasons for each why they would be male, and Astartes definitely have a stronger lore-based reasoning as to why they are male. I'm not sure I would consider them as clones of the Primarch, but I understand your point. I think the idea of female Astartes could be interesting, but only in the manner of individual exceptions, or perhaps a chapter founded on a unique method of initiation that only works for women or has a chance of success on women. A blanket retcon on Astartes on whole would be stupid and insulting. Going back to Custodes, which was the focus of my comment, my issue with them now being female is less from the lore perspective and more from an aesthetic perspective. Lore-wise, you could argue that with how much genetic manipulation/enhancement they go through, it doesn't really matter their starting gender. Aesthetically though, they have always been overtly masculine. Ben and Tom have even mentioned that the OG Custodes models were bare-chested, shirtless dudes. And for people who like Custodes, that is the aesthetic they want. Additionally, SoS are essentially the female counterparts to the male Custodes, so saying that Custodes are also female feels like it makes the SoS redundant. From the recent news I have heard on friction between Amazon/GW and Henry Cavill on the new Warhammer show, it feels like the Custodes change was due to Amazon wanting a strong, female character and deciding to mess around with the lore to get a female Custodes instead of just having a women from any of the numerous other factions that all have powerful women in them. There really is no good reason for the change, as it doesn't make anyone happy. Most fans are either upset at the change or indifferent to it. And no one is suddenly going to be interested in Warhammer 40k because Custodes are now also women. It's dumb, and clearly done for corporate reasons. Anyway, in summary: retcon bad, the way GW handled it even worse.

The requirement for women to be relegated to The Female Factions is part of why things feel like a sausage fest, and why the few female characters in other factions feel stand out and important. Normalising the existence of women as people that are just as much a part of the universe as the men are rather than purely 'special cases' hurts no one except guys with fragile egos. Having a female head on a sprue or a woman in a story doesn't detract from the lore at all because there's no reason a woman couldn't be in that position to begin with. Like the Lads say, if you want your Custodes to be all dudes, go ahead. If someone wants theirs to be all women, or half women, or whatever, that's also fine. It's an option now, like it should be for the majority of races in universe.

@@FinalBossJelly I'm fine with female custodes and even space marines. There's plenty of women in the IG and inquisition as well. I don't think they should be made as common as men, like a 1:1, but I don't see why there shouldn't be any at all. For most of human history men have been combatants while women typically are not, with exception of rare or uncommon circumstances. Even now in these modern times women are still rarely combatants, though more do serve militarily in other aspects like support roles. I don't see much reason why it'd be any different in the 40k setting. Due to the differences between both it only makes sense from a logic standpoint.

@@Sp4rt4nSl4ya Because you have powered armours and genetic modification doing most of the heavy lifting. People that go through these treatments are so far beyond the bounds of normal biology that whatever you use as a starting point shouldn't matter in the slightest.

@@FinalBossJelly absolutely the gene modding and power armor definitely solve the biological difference issue, in theory. However based on what Gdubs wrote about why there aren't female space marines in the retcon was essentially that no female could survive the process. Given the varying degrees of success for men ranges from one in a million for grey knights and 1-30% success for regular marines, depending on the chapter and stage of training/enhancement. Given men are typically more resilient than women this puts their odds much lower if even some of the best male candidates still wash out or succumb to the surgeries. This is probably one reason the sororitas use power armor, but don't get any gene mods. I don't think it makes sense to add them all over the place with what's currently written, but having them be really rare would be fine since it's not a massively blatant contradiction of the retconned lore. Otherwise they'd need to retcon the retcon. Lore aside gdubs only wants to sell models, and if the models don't sell, they won't write it as lore, hence the retcon.

Also, surely if a woman went through the gene modding process she would no longer be a woman right? She would be a steroid filled, testosterone driven, bulk masculine super He-Man demi-god, hence, no longer a woman

Oh hey, Tom and Ben can look here for some of that mega nerd rage they said they've not seen yet! ^^

Goo goo ga ga lol

"LoreHammer or YourHammer" became "Nobody's Hammer"

@@Coconut-219 And soon be washammer and hadmoney. and then Bon and toon cry is Warhammer is no more.

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